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[ReadRothbard]

I read this article about a patient with a leg-discrepancy of about 20 cm on Dr. Rozbruch's site; Rozbruch declared that the patient was an "aesthetic and functional success", with the ability to engage in sports without restriction. Seeing that those suffering from leg-discrepancies don't have any functionally or structurally different muscular or nervous tissues than regular people, it seems to suggest that any normal person could potentially do 20 cm. Obviously Apotheosis, Crazy +6, Greekster, etc. have had negative consequences from going past 7.5 cm per segment, but it is possible that this could actually have to do with the doctors they chose, Dr. Betz, Dr. Sarin, and Dr. Sringari, whom are widely regarded as quacks.

What do you think? Could it actually be possible that 20 cm could be accomplished if done by a reputable surgeon in a safe manner?

http://www.hss.edu/professional-conditions_pediatric-femur-tibia-to-equalize-leg-length.asp#.VJoodV4AAA

[KiloKAHN]

Dr Parihar told me that even discrepancy patients have an easier time with the soft tissues lengthening than normal cosmetic patients. I guess it's because genetically their leg has the potential to be the length of the other normal leg so it's more lax up to that point.

[glenn]

Also, the Rozbruch case involves an adolescent lengthening in three stages over the course of 6 years (5cm at age 9, 7cm at age 12, and 8cm 15) using a combination of monorails, Ilizarov, and LON.

Whether or not LLD sufferers have a better potential with LL I don't know. But for the Rozbruch case I think it's also relevant to factor in the age of the subject, since adolescents/teenagers are still growing and can recover better.

I know this is more of a technical discussion, but philosophically speaking, even if you could, would you? Everybody's height neurosis is different, so it's immaterial to judge others, but for me I wouldn't. Even if a genie granted me instant 20cm with no pain, no cost, still I don't think I would do it. For me, 10cm is one thing, 20cm is a whole different self-analysis.

[ReadRothbard]

Also, the Rozbruch case involves an adolescent lengthening in three stages over the course of 6 years (5cm at age 9, 7cm at age 12, and 8cm 15) using a combination of monorails, Ilizarov, and LON.

Whether or not LLD sufferers have a better potential with LL I don't know. But for the Rozbruch case I think it's also relevant to factor in the age of the subject, since adolescents/teenagers are still growing and can recover better.

I know this is more of a technical discussion, but philosophically speaking, even if you could, would you? Everybody's height neurosis is different, so it's immaterial to judge others, but for me I wouldn't. Even if a genie granted me instant 20cm with no pain, no cost, still I don't think I would do it. For me, 10cm is one thing, 20cm is a whole different self-analysis.

I have no real need to be 20 cm taller; it would be nice, yeah, but 14-15 cm max is more than enough.

[Bruno Mars]

Go pass 6 cm on tibias and most likely you will lose most of your athletic ability. Look at Sweden. The guy was sportive as hell before he did his LL. Look at him now, I actually feel sad. I checked all of his videos. His running looks so clumsy. Even though he claimed that he has got back 75%, I don't think that he could ever be like the man he was before LL. Maybe you could do more in femures like 7-8 cms...

[ReadRothbard]

I think Sweden's main problem was Dr. Sarin, but I believe that 6.5-7 cm is the tibia limit, yes.

[GeTs]

The doctor only treats complications and does the surgery, the recovery its up to the patient, hadn't he gone beyond 15% of original bone length it could have been a different story

[GeTs]

To the question, maybe but 12 is the max I'd go for

[Uppland]

I could never do 20CM. Ignoring the disastrous effect it would have on my body and even if I combined it with aggressive arm lenghtening I would still look ridiculous. My frame is just too small someone who is 198-199CM.

Also think 191-192 is pretty much perfect anyway no need to be taller.

[crimsontide]

20 cm is insane.... id say not possible for an adult, unless you want to be severely limited

i did 7. cm tibias, and im guessing ill b be 90 95% normal, who knows, but i'm prepared not to be 100&


but 20 cm, even with two surgeries is just insane

[TomD]

I think Sweden's main problem was Dr. Sarin, but I believe that 6.5-7 cm is the tibia limit, yes.

I think its because 6 or 7 cm on our tibias now puts our running motion out of whack. Our tibia to femur ratios are all way out. We need to lengthen the femur the same amount .

I havent had LL but just using my common sense I imagine that if one part of my leg was now 3 inches larger but the other part wasnt, I would have to learn how to run all over again even if it were mechanically feasible.

I believe we could learn to run the same way again if we lengthen both parts the same amount within safety guidelines. I would say 6 to 7cm to be the limit on this.

[GeTs]

7 is pushing it, arms are also important

[Ajax2thousand20]

I could never do 20CM. Ignoring the disastrous effect it would have on my body and even if I combined it with aggressive arm lenghtening I would still look ridiculous. My frame is just too small someone who is 198-199CM.

Also think 191-192 is pretty much perfect anyway no need to be taller.

%100 agree. 188-194cm is where Id want to be.

[Dhdhdjuru]

God, why is everyone like hating on the whole 20cm thing? UUHH remember Apthoesis ? he gained like 8 inches and he looked really good, I dont see a problem at all.

[Dhdhdjuru]

You bring Sweden as an example?, he went to the bitcher Sarin, can't expect anything less. Not one person talks about apothoesis and his 8 inch gain, why is that? The man fully recovered and is fine, and if he wasnt we would most likely know about it. I mean like people with problems who gain 20cm and over is totally cool but for cosmetic reasons its not allowed? 😂

[LLSouthAmerica]

God, why is everyone like hating on the whole 20cm thing? UUHH remember Apthoesis ? he gained like 8 inches and he looked really good, I dont see a problem at all.

We don't know what issues Apotheosis have in reality because he was colluding with some LL doctors, doing marketing for them in exchange of money.

Everyone is hating "on the whole 20 cm things" because LL is not easy, and even at a conservative amount there have been complications and people who have not regained a normal gait years after the surgery in some cases requiring an additional one. The more you lengthen the more risk you have and at 20 cm it is 3 times the amount of lengthening the average LL veteran has done.

[Bander72]

God, why is everyone like hating on the whole 20cm thing? UUHH remember Apthoesis ? he gained like 8 inches and he looked really good, I dont see a problem at all.

Go do it then instead of crying about what others think. Its obviously not risky in your expert opinion.

[onemorefoot]

Yes is possible but stupid as hell.
P.D. Take a look to the praying mantis , that Will be you after such a stupidity. Basically no doc in this wonderful world( well maybe except Betz) would agree to be a total genius.
 

[Dhdhdjuru]

Mate why dont you just go home yeah?, your 175 so I dont even know what your doing on these forums at all. People here acting as if 7cm gain is not risky and totally fine. Surgery is surgery and if someone is smart enough not to go 20cm then there surely smart enough not to do it at all.

[Jack1066]

If you're so bothered about him being on the forum at 175, why don't you just do an easy 5 cm in each segment for a much less risky 10 cm gain?

[Dhdhdjuru]

And what with 10cm I'm guarenteed no complications?, I don't think so. We are all taking a risk here. And in my case some more than others.

[onemorefoot]

Mate why dont you just go home yeah?, your 175 so I dont even know what your doing on these forums at all. People here acting as if 7cm gain is not risky and totally fine. Surgery is surgery and if someone is smart enough not to go 20cm then there surely smart enough not to do it at all.

I replied to OP, I know you after reading this crap Will never do 20 cm.

[Dhdhdjuru]

What do you mean?

[LLSouthAmerica]

And what with 10cm I'm guarenteed no complications?, I don't think so. We are all taking a risk here. And in my case some more than others.

You are multiplying your risk compared to the average LL veteran. You are too naive. I would understand doing so much only in a dwarf and in 3 procedures

[Dhdhdjuru]

One can question ypu too, why take the risk at all? Why not just get used to the height you are and accept yourself?, a person not doing LL can tell you the same thing as your telling me.

[onemorefoot]

What do you mean?

That my answer was for the original poster. At the beginning I wanted 16 cm, but after some time here I was taught that is quite difficult. If you are now 165 cm, would you be Happy with 13?

[Dhdhdjuru]

Yes I would. I didnt set the 20cm in stone. I will do as the doctor advises. If he says that 20cm is too much and say I can do 12-15 then thats fine too.

[onemorefoot]

Yes I would. I didnt set the 20cm in stone. I will do as the doctor advises. If he says that 20cm is too much and say I can do 12-15 then thats fine too.

That is good, you should gain as most as possible but considering that you Will have to run or do some kind of sport.

[Dhdhdjuru]

Exactly! Thanks for understanding.

[onemorefoot]

Ok

[Bander72]

Mate why dont you just go home yeah?, your 175 so I dont even know what your doing on these forums at all. People here acting as if 7cm gain is not risky and totally fine. Surgery is surgery and if someone is smart enough not to go 20cm then there surely smart enough not to do it at all.

The taller you are the less risk there is as your overall body growth is smaller than a shorter person. So this surgery is actually a bit safer for me to do than yourself. Also many people act as 7 cm is not risky because they want to justify doing that amount. In theory for the femur it is a safe amount still but everything after 5 cm becomes more harder. But yes we all take a risk but the smart ones will take a more calculated one and not just want to justify 20 cm because they will reach 6 feet.