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[GrowPrettySoon]

Cannibal is one miserable dude who lives just to attack top LL doctors to feel better about his lack of chances.

[GrowPrettySoon]

Let's be honest here, some have even had complications with the almighty revered Dr. Guichet!!!

Of course! They won’t be honest because that’s there job here.

[Cannibal]

Cannibal is one miserable dude who lives just to attack top LL doctors to feel better about his lack of chances.

It isn't just a coincidence that the only doctors you come here to support are the two most advertised on old forum .

[AtlasSearching]

As can be seen again this Atlas guy doesn't have any arguments. It's just hot air.
He is claiming to be a patient, but hasn't given any proof that he is. Dr.Betz is making millions with cosmetic LL therefore it is easy for him to hire someone to write on this forum.

Mime, it seems that you think I'm here to banter with you but that's not my intention at all. That would be a futile endeavor. Anosognosia is a bane and I'm not about to try curing it. I will say though, that there are some folks on here who have ailments, the least of which is being short.

It does tickle me however, that the dude who failed miserably at LL wants me to give him proof that I was a Betz patient. Since you seem to know a whole lot about the Betz operation, inquire with the patients who were in Neunkirchen in October and they'll tell you about me. Even better, OldieButGoldie has a diary on here and he too was getting his nails removed the same day as I did. But dude, first get a handle on your paranoia otherwise all else is mute.

[Metanoia]

Mime, it seems that you think I'm here to banter with you but that's not my intention at all. That would be a futile endeavor. Anosognosia is a bane and I'm not about to try curing it. I will say though, that there are some folks on here who have ailments, the least of which is being short.

It does tickle me however, that the dude who failed miserably at LL wants me to give him proof that I was a Betz patient. Since you seem to know a whole lot about the Betz operation, inquire with the patients who were in Neunkirchen in October and they'll tell you about me. Even better, OldieButGoldie has a diary on here and he too was getting his nails removed the same day as I did. But dude, first get a handle on your paranoia otherwise all else is mute.

So again this guy is not able to give proof that he is a real patient. Neither can he give any arguments. Instead he is only trying to insult. Also he is hogging this thread. His agenda is obvious.
His trolling won't help to whitewash Dr. Betz's reputation though.

[AtlasSearching]

So again this guy is not able to give proof that he is a real patient. Neither can he give any arguments. Instead he is only trying to insult. Also he is hogging this thread. His agenda is obvious.
His trolling won't help to whitewash Dr. Betz's reputation though.

Seriously Mime, you are mental. We get it, you are the angry short dude enraged with the world for failing to get taller. You'll have to live with your failure. Also, you have the complex, but you aren't Napoleon, so quit puffing up yourself as if you have any merit to judge who is or is not a Betz patient. The most you seem capable of is rehashing the same tired diatribe you have been spewing all along. If you can't be logically, at least try to be original so that your posts are so insufferable. I've got a nagging feeling though, that I'm flogging a dead horse.

[hanshi]

Here's an interesting statement from Dr.Guichet about the Betzbone:

"THE BETZBONE® NAIL
The BetzBone is a modified copy of the Version 1 of the Albizzia Nail, with a system of bone fixation fragile and at risk of fractures, which often makes necessary its replacement with a static intramedullary nail. This induces a larger number of surgery for each patient. It did not spread to other surgeons yet.

Please note on the x-rays the hypotrophic healing 11 months after the surgery."

The x-ray is on his website under the link:
http://www.leg-limb-stature-lengthening-taller-height-increase-cosmetic.eu/us/technology%20comparison%20with%20other%20internal%20lengthening%20nails.php

[coppkillr]

God damn why do u think its from guichut?
It seems to be simply advertisement, right?

[hanshi]

Hi, here's the latest update from MasterHY. I put it here just in case it'll be deleted. We all feel with you Master and wish you all the best.

"Hey guys I'm back.  I decided its about time to give an update.  This is going to be too long to write in one reply, and I simply don't have so much spare time these days. 

Let me just first off start by saying that what I write here is my opinion, and in no way reflects the experience of others.  Please keep that in mind when making judgements about doctors and this process.  Each experience in LL is unique and I can only share mine through my own experience.

I'll start of by saying that I have not recovered.  My own understanding of why I have not recovered has to do with the nails that were used, along with an infection that I got when my hip wound opened up just weeks after the surgery on my left leg.  I can sit here and bash Doctor Betz, but I won't do that.  I will however just document my own experience about how my case was handled and people can decide for themselves what is best or good information for them. 

I am in the process of a two stage surgery with an Orthopedic surgeon from the US.  The total extra this has cost me is as follows:

July 2014 - flew to Germany in what was terrible condition, exchanged both nails for titaniums.  Stayed total of 3 weeks, total Cost including lodging, PT, and surgery was 45K.  Prior to that, I was paying nearly 3k per month with a specialist in LL who had helped AndrewShizzles.  The sessions did me no good, because overall the bone was not healing.  So in addition to the 45K , I had paid almost 12K just in maintenance costs as I like to think of it.  Total Cost 12K + 45K = 57K.

By December of 2014, it was clear that my left leg would not heal, and my right just started healing only after the nail exchange.  I then asked professor Betz to help me, and he advised I should wait longer.  Most surprising was that his attitude towards me had changed.  All along he was blaming me for the situation, and later he started to give very vague answers, and even told he doesn't have time to sit and answer my emails.  I was asking specific questions and he was giving me short general answers.  This was the most shocking aspect , to have your own doctor blame you for something clearly not in your control and to tell you "I don't know why this happened."  I was like, wtf?  How can a surgeon not know these things?  I will explain more later.   

By this time I was out of my mind, because I had no solutions and only guess work to go with.  I decided that I would not wait longer and immediately contacted several LL doctors here in the US to see what my options are.  Lo and behold, to my surprise, most doctors were quoting me 150K for a 2 stage procedure.  Again I will get into all of that later, but for now I'll just tell that, my new cost will be approximately 150K. 

So here is a summary people:  1.  Paid nearly 80-90K for original surgery and costs
                                             2.  Paid 57K for PT and nail replacement due to Betz recommendation in July of 2014 when bones were not healing.
                                             3.  Paying nearly 150K for correcting what I am left with now, which is a bone deformity. 

Grand total:   287K USD   

If you guys think that this will not happen to you, I suggest you guys think long and hard.  I am not a naysayer, but this experience was something I did not even fathom.  I paid for the best doctor thinking I will have the most professional and best team as this is not something to take lightly, and it failed.  Will I heal?  I am optimist and I will get through this, but I just want others to know, that there is nothing compared to having your health.  Sometimes be careful what you wish for.

I will fill on all the gaps in the days ahead.  Take care ya'll.  "

[endomorphisme]

150 k usd for correcting bone deformity?

[theuprising]

From What I remember he did something like 9 cm. It is one of the risks you take for longer lengthening.

[Uppland]

This sounds pretty awful, I wonder if this is a general risk or if it was caused by having a neglient surgeon?

[Freewill]

He did 9.9 cm that's almost 10cm in 140days since his first surgery, that's in 4.6 month time limit.

[ouroboros]

This can't be good for Betz reputation.  The least he could have done is assume some financial responsibility for this problem even if it was mostly the patient's fault.  From what I heard, Betz paid for AndrewShizzles's titanium replacement when his nail broke.  I really feel bad for MasterHY's situation. 

[coppkillr]

He did 10cm. This is just stupid, sorry.
Second he should have seen on xrays that his bones do not heal. Something is wrong in the Story.

[ForcedPuberty]

3.  Paying nearly 150K for correcting what I am left with now, which is a bone deformity

yes he did stupid things, he trusted a doctor who told him he can do 10cm. not very smart.

but forget about that.

the real question is what bone deformities. we cant pass judgment until that comes to light.

[coppkillr]

No betz says always 8cm.

10cm is just stupid. Sure He will never recover.
I Do not understand why the guy not simply looked on his xrays. He must have noticed that there is no healing.

Also He clicked on a frequency totaly unsafe. 1,4mm per day is just crazy.

[ForcedPuberty]

Dr Augustin Betz:
- Our patients can gain up to 4-5 inches (10-12 cm) in one operation on upper legs (femurs) or lower legs (tibias). Patients may also gain a total of 8-9 inches (20-22 cm) in 2 operations. 1st  operation on femur for 4-5 inches (10-12 cm). 2nd operation on tibias for 4 inches (10 cm). The amount of gain in tibias may vary from patient to patient. In many cases it is advised by Prof. Dr. Betz to lengthen up to 6-8 cm in tibias.  Patients gain an average of 7-10 cm in one bone region at the Betz institute. The rate of lengthening is 1 millimetre per day

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1882.msg29944#msg29944

rubbish. never trust doctors. they lie all the time. they promise you the world. they tell you everything will be fine.

[Freewill]

No betz says always 8cm.

10cm is just stupid. Sure He will never recover.
I Do not understand why the guy not simply looked on his xrays. He must have noticed that there is no healing.

Also He clicked on a frequency totaly unsafe. 1,4mm per day is just crazy.

i think the best safe rate of clicking is 0.55mm for 3 days , 0.66mm for 2 or 3 days , 0.75mm for 1 or 2 days with good focus on diet and physical activity like Walking. No matter what any doctor of the world says , i will make sure to lengthen safely and patiently without bothering about the time duration , after all LL is about sacrificing your TIME + MONEY ,

[tallerbetter]

Dr Augustin Betz:
- Our patients can gain up to 4-5 inches (10-12 cm) in one operation on upper legs (femurs) or lower legs (tibias). Patients may also gain a total of 8-9 inches (20-22 cm) in 2 operations. 1st  operation on femur for 4-5 inches (10-12 cm). 2nd operation on tibias for 4 inches (10 cm). The amount of gain in tibias may vary from patient to patient. In many cases it is advised by Prof. Dr. Betz to lengthen up to 6-8 cm in tibias.  Patients gain an average of 7-10 cm in one bone region at the Betz institute. The rate of lengthening is 1 millimetre per day

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1882.msg29944#msg29944

rubbish. never trust doctors. they lie all the time. they promise you the world. they tell you everything will be fine.

FP you're so opinionated and rude, but so right!  Doctors promise you the world, they tell everything will be fine, but they're false. They don't care about you, but their own business. Everything is pure crap.

[ForcedPuberty]

quote from tallerbetter:

your information is so amazing, factual and really does show what bets tells his patients. thank you for your contribution FP.

response:
why thank you dear fellow comrade in leg lengthening, It makes me happy to see that the factual information I spread is helping others in need.

but on a serious note. I feel sad for all the people who go into this and have their lives ruined because they blindly trusted someone. people sometimes forget that a doctor is just a person. and people lie and manipulate all the time. blind faith is never good. faith is good, just not blind faith.

[tallerbetter]

Hi FP. Thanks. I think your posts are very valuable, but the quote that you include is not mine. Those aren't my words. where did you find that quote?

[ForcedPuberty]

it was me being funny lol lol

[ItsMyLife]

so after defaming monegal hes here to defame betz and franz good job

[tallerbetter]

so after defaming monegal hes here to defame betz and franz good job

He's not defaming. He has just given his opinion about those people. He has manipulated my words, though.

[endomorphisme]

some doctor exert their reputation to give the illusion to their patients they can, safely, lenghten more than they should.
Besides, some like apotheosis and tall have not made it easier,

[tallerbetter]

Yeah, they even make up stories of fake patients who have lengthened much, even 20 cm, and that they're alright. This is insane! They've no ethics.

[ForcedPuberty]

so after defaming monegal hes here to defame betz and franz good job

everyone don't pay attention to itsmylife. he is training to become a doctor so he is subjectively biased. he does not care who is right or wrong he is defending doctors in general.

to do this he is branding 3 doctors names together vs a forum member.

the point of this statement from itsmylife is to attack character and demonize in order to strengthen the doctors position(doctors in general not a particular doctor), the actual argument presented is that of doctor authority vs a "demonized" person with no supposed character.

of course this is all rubbish. its just its my life attempt to give credibility back to doctors in general. because he is becoming a doctor

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he is not impartial and so in my opinion he hold little weight In his opinion on this matter.

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now if he was actually being sincere he would have addressed actual content regarding bets instead of this underhanded tactic.

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so lets address doctor bets since itsmylife brought up that we could somehow try to badmouth his works with slander.


no one needs to say anything that isn't supported.

 

from MASTERHY

Hey guys I'm back.  I decided its about time to give an update.  This is going to be too long to write in one reply, and I simply don't have so much spare time these days. 

Let me just first off start by saying that what I write here is my opinion, and in no way reflects the experience of others.  Please keep that in mind when making judgements about doctors and this process.  Each experience in LL is unique and I can only share mine through my own experience.

I'll start of by saying that I have not recovered.  My own understanding of why I have not recovered has to do with the nails that were used, along with an infection that I got when my hip wound opened up just weeks after the surgery on my left leg.  I can sit here and bash Doctor Betz, but I won't do that.  I will however just document my own experience about how my case was handled and people can decide for themselves what is best or good information for them. 

I am in the process of a two stage surgery with an Orthopedic surgeon from the US.  The total extra this has cost me is as follows:

July 2014 - flew to Germany in what was terrible condition, exchanged both nails for titaniums.  Stayed total of 3 weeks, total Cost including lodging, PT, and surgery was 45K.  Prior to that, I was paying nearly 3k per month with a specialist in LL who had helped AndrewShizzles.  The sessions did me no good, because overall the bone was not healing.  So in addition to the 45K , I had paid almost 12K just in maintenance costs as I like to think of it.  Total Cost 12K + 45K = 57K.

By December of 2014, it was clear that my left leg would not heal, and my right just started healing only after the nail exchange.  I then asked professor Betz to help me, and he advised I should wait longer.  Most surprising was that his attitude towards me had changed.  All along he was blaming me for the situation, and later he started to give very vague answers, and even told he doesn't have time to sit and answer my emails.  I was asking specific questions and he was giving me short general answers.  This was the most shocking aspect , to have your own doctor blame you for something clearly not in your control and to tell you "I don't know why this happened."  I was like, wtf?  How can a surgeon not know these things?  I will explain more later.   

By this time I was out of my mind, because I had no solutions and only guess work to go with.  I decided that I would not wait longer and immediately contacted several LL doctors here in the US to see what my options are.  Lo and behold, to my surprise, most doctors were quoting me 150K for a 2 stage procedure.  Again I will get into all of that later, but for now I'll just tell that, my new cost will be approximately 150K. 

So here is a summary people:  1.  Paid nearly 80-90K for original surgery and costs
                                             2.  Paid 57K for PT and nail replacement due to Betz recommendation in July of 2014 when bones were not healing.
                                             3.  Paying nearly 150K for correcting what I am left with now, which is a bone deformity. 

Grand total:   287K USD   

If you guys think that this will not happen to you, I suggest you guys think long and hard.  I am not a naysayer, but this experience was something I did not even fathom.  I paid for the best doctor thinking I will have the most professional and best team as this is not something to take lightly, and it failed.  Will I heal?  I am optimist and I will get through this, but I just want others to know, that there is nothing compared to having your health.  Sometimes be careful what you wish for.

I will fill on all the gaps in the days ahead.  Take care ya'll. 

I rest my case. the fruit of the man is from his own patients, no one here needs to say bad things about him nor intends to, his own patients have told us he is terrible.

in future its my life don't make statements to demonize people, instead bring up content to support an argument for debate.

take care my friend.

[Freewill]

fp lol owned itsmylife

[ItsMyLife]

Im not saying they are good doctors but they have a name here on the forum. They have a reputation to protect. You've no name. I see no point stoking the fire if ex-patients have already complained so-and-so.

You seem to be anti-doctors and anti-establishment.

[tallerbetter]

Im not saying they are good doctors but they have a name here on the forum. They have a reputation to protect. You've no name. I see no point stoking the fire if ex-patients have already complained so-and-so.

You seem to be anti-doctors and anti-establishment.

It's not FP who discredits them. They discredit themselves through the negative outcomes of their patients, and their arrogant and rude words and behaviour in the forum.