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[Uppland]

Yes that was the study i refered to earlier, I also found another study not cosmetic unfortunately but results seem satisfying. Two out of the ten patients suffered complications one non-union and one deep infection (gnarly) the other eight went through it fine with no "significant" decrease in range of motion, eight say they would do it again with one unsure and one who wouldn't.

Hoever this surgery was done on people who had fractured clavicles that had fused at a shorter lenght then before so their bodies might already have be adapted for the longer length, I'm not sure.

Anyway here's the study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2322841/

EDIT- also there used to be a plastic surgeon in Beverly Hills who advertised shoulder broadening "up to one inch or more" but now I can't find it which might be a bit worrying.

[KiloKAHN]

This is the guy who does it.

http://www.leifrogersmd.com/site/old%20site/male_shoulder_widening.html

It says the plates inserted are permanent.

[Uppland]

Thanks KiloKahn, if anyone feels like calling him and finding out more about the potential risks, the procedure and the cost it would be a great addition to the forums information library.

2,5CM in increased width is more significant than it sounds.

[NewHeights]

You honestly believe the guy on the left isn't working out enough? I can guarantee the guy on the right does less shoulder work than him.

Here is a guy who has transformed/widened his shoulders, so let's not discount or minimize the benefits of lifting.



Admittedly though, some people's shoulder muscles grow/respond better to weight training than other people's do.

Muscular anatomy around shoulders....

[greatheight]

This seems crazy to me. If it were possible, it would be nice though.

[Uppland]

Newheight that guy already had decent shoulders, if you look like this you're pretty much fukked:

[NewHeights]

Newheight that guy already had decent shoulders, if you look like this you're pretty much fukked:

Not necessary. The guy in the pic I posted already had some muscle mass on his shoulders before he got huge.

In your pic there is little muscle mass on the shoulders, so that guy may see some huge benefits from hitting the weights. As Arnold Schwarzenegger said, bodybuilding alloys you to sculpt your body by adding and subtracting clay (adding muscle and removing fat analogy)

[Uppland]

Anyway he would look better with wider shoulders and so would I, especially after getting 7CM taller. So I'm very excited about this surgery, I don't need it but it would drastically improve my look post LL, hopefully we can learn more sometime soon.

I hope it's relatively safe and easy compared to leg lengthening.

[NewHeights]

Anyway he would look better with wider shoulders and so would I, especially after getting 7CM taller. So I'm very excited about this surgery, I don't need it but it would drastically improve my look post LL, hopefully we can learn more sometime soon.

I hope it's relatively safe and easy compared to leg lengthening.

Why don't you try weight lifting first at least?. Girls generally like a muscular, fit body

[spiderman]

Anyway he would look better with wider shoulders and so would I, especially after getting 7CM taller. So I'm very excited about this surgery, I don't need it but it would drastically improve my look post LL, hopefully we can learn more sometime soon.

I hope it's relatively safe and easy compared to leg lengthening.

But that it is a form of cosmetic surgery, like a boob job, etc. Its not what real men do. Its like deltoid implants and pectoral implants, just orthopaedic.

And I would not trust this cosmetic plastic surgeon to do orthopaedic surgery!

[Uppland]

But that it is a form of cosmetic surgery, like a boob job, etc. Its not what real men do. Its like deltoid implants and pectoral implants, just orthopaedic.

And I would not trust this cosmetic plastic surgeon to do orthopaedic surgery!

About boob jobs -don't knock it til' you try it m8

As for the doctor -why not, do you know something we don't?

Also will obviously build muscle but it can only help so much, wider shoulder bones would greatly improve my proportions after the surgery.

[spiderman]

About boob jobs -don't knock it til' you try it m8

As for the doctor -why not, do you know something we don't?

Also will obviously build muscle but it can only help so much, wider shoulder bones would greatly improve my proportions after the surgery.

A board-certified plastic surgeon should do plastic surgery and not bone work.
This surgery is only for sissies, real men don't do it. Its like bodybuilding implants or fat grafting to the muscles.
My doctor I spoke to today said you risk breaking these delicate small bones when you are in your geriatric years so don't do it. Together with hip widening or narrowing, its a no-no.]
Bones like tibia are weight-bearing and will grow back to the same strength over the years. Clavicle is different.

[Uppland]

A board-certified plastic surgeon should do plastic surgery and not bone work.
This surgery is only for sissies, real men don't do it. Its like bodybuilding implants or fat grafting to the muscles.
My doctor I spoke to today said you risk breaking these delicate small bones when you are in your geriatric years so don't do it. Together with hip widening or narrowing, its a no-no.]
Bones like tibia are weight-bearing and will grow back to the same strength over the years. Clavicle is different.

Thanks, I can see how weight bearing bones would be different. Also good point about the surgeon, we don't know his qualification though he may be up for it. The clavicle is weakened by the surgery then, and risk breaking further down the line?

[spiderman]

Thanks, I can see how weight bearing bones would be different. Also good point about the surgeon, we don't know his qualification though he may be up for it. The clavicle is weakened by the surgery then, and risk breaking further down the line?

Yes according to my orthopaedist. Please see this site too FYI:
http://www.osteoporosis.ca/osteoporosis-and-you/osteoporosis-facts-and-statistics/

I quote from this site: The most common osteoporotic fractures are of the wrist, spine, shoulder and hip.

I would ask about the number of cases and what type of training he received. But whatever training is probably just a weekend course, as he is board-specialised in plastics.

[Uppland]

Yes according to my orthopaedist. Please see this site too FYI:
http://www.osteoporosis.ca/osteoporosis-and-you/osteoporosis-facts-and-statistics/

I quote from this site: The most common osteoporotic fractures are of the wrist, spine, shoulder and hip.

I would ask about the number of cases and what type of training he received. But whatever training is probably just a weekend course, as he is board-specialised in plastics.

The Beverly Hills guy seems to do it with an implant, would that affect the risks in any way?

[spiderman]

The Beverly Hills guy seems to do it with an implant, would that affect the risks in any way?

Life-long risk of infection with silicone implants. My doc said not to dabble with all this plastic surgery, its not healthy. If I want, he can do Taylor Fixator 5 cm for me on tibia, But only after psychiatric assessment for at least one month.

[Uppland]

Life-long risk of infection with silicone implants. My doc said not to dabble with all this plastic surgery, its not healthy. If I want, he can do Taylor Fixator 5 cm for me on tibia, But only after psychiatric assessment for at least one month.

Okay I will still investigate the idea of widening my shoulders after I've had LL, if I deem the risks unacceptable then so be it but hopefully it can be done with reasonable safety.

Also you're 186CM, that makes you the second tallest person interested in doing LL I've ever heard of. What's up, are you a dutch basketball player perhaps?

[spiderman]

Nope I am a New Zealand basketballer. I feel extremely short, and sometimes the shortest kid on the block.

I have only one friend who's shorter (he is 182 cm Forward/Point Guard, but he's popular with girls cause he's very good-looking).

Sometimes I wonder if I am crazy for wanting this. My parents have engaged me a psychiatrist but I feel this is real problem and not just mental I feel like I can't live another day without  being 190 cm.

[Uppland]

I though new zeelanders matched the usual anglo-american average of 175-180CM on average. Do you only spend time with your basketball mates?

[spiderman]

Nope my high school class guys are minimum 185+. Mostly average around 188. Anything below six-feet is midget here  cause the younger generation is so damned tall. So I am semi-midget.

But yeah I do hang out MOSTLY with basketballers especially during season, so I feel the pinch.

[KiloKAHN]

I think if your workout routine is appropriate, anyone can build great shoulders. I developed huge shoulders that everyone comments on, yet my starting height was only 5'5.



I don't really remember, but I doubt my shoulders were all that wide to begin with structurally, considering my very low starting height.

[Uppland]

Nope my high school class guys are minimum 185+. Mostly average around 188. Anything below six-feet is midget here  cause the younger generation is so damned tall. So I am semi-midget.

But yeah I do hang out MOSTLY with basketballers especially during season, so I feel the pinch.

You understand that's anecdotal most young men in New Zeeland isn't taller than 185, actually they're shorter, unless they've suddenly sprung to be the tallest demograåhic on the planet by far.

KiloKahn Sure we can build shoulders but only so much and for me, who already has a short wingspan to begin with, a larger frame  would improve my proportions a lot.

[Smallguy]

The Beverly Hills guy seems to do it with an implant, would that affect the risks in any way?

Implant seems like a viable to osteogenesis distraction for broader shoulder (V-shape, T shape, whatever you call it)

The benefit is:
- less downtime. It takes months for osteogensis distraction whereas implants can be done in hours
- less pain
- less invasive surgical procedure

The longterm risk hazard to health for implant is quite debatable. You can insert the same comment for osteogenesis distraction or for any other cosmetic surgery.

Beside, the beverly hill guy looks quite happy and he hasn't complained about any issue. He is living out his dream, dammit. If he undergoes virgina plastic surgery in addition to his already 90 cosmetic surgeries, I wouldn't mind banging him.

I think if your workout routine is appropriate, anyone can build great shoulders. I developed huge shoulders that everyone comments on, yet my starting height was only 5'5.

I don't really remember, but I doubt my shoulders were all that wide to begin with structurally, considering my very low starting height.

Same with me. I saw some guys at the gym and it seems that no matter how much they workout their deltoid, they can't achieve that V or T shape like body structure. It seems that this is partly genetic. It seems that surgical procedure would be the appropriate solution for them.

For lower height guys like us with already broader shoulder relative to our frame, spinal lengthening would be an awesome possibility.

[spiderman]

He is actually quite hot. But a little too fake-looking..?? is It just me... but the implants look fake? if his eyebrows weren't so bitchy I could f him..

[hadrian]

Here is a guy who has transformed/widened his shoulders, so let's not discount or minimize the benefits of lifting.



Admittedly though, some people's shoulder muscles grow/respond better to weight training than other people's do.

Muscular anatomy around shoulders....

That guy had quality looking proportions before his transformation upper body wise. Note that a torso v-taper already existed. With that being said he has definitely improved. I can only imagine how much of an immense change it would be for a narrow-clavicled male to get both claviclular distraction and some well-developed shoulder muscles.

I think if your workout routine is appropriate, anyone can build great shoulders. I developed huge shoulders that everyone comments on, yet my starting height was only 5'5.



I don't really remember, but I doubt my shoulders were all that wide to begin with structurally, considering my very low starting height.

You look great. How much have you lost of that during LL-ing? With your frame you'll be able to fit your new height well unless you have t-rex arms.

[DoctorGirl]

I am a plastics resident. Dangerous to do silicone deltoid implants due to risk of migration unless placed submuscularly (just above periostieum). Even then, there is risk of infection and granuloma. Upon removal of the implant, the skin is permanently stretched and will look very loose. Of course you can do fat grafting instead, but I am not sure how firm it will feel. Plus, even if it feels firm like most fat grafts do, it is risk of unevenness and , fat embolism though unlikely with blunt cannula.

[Uppland]

Eh, I don't think anyone here would consider musle implants -the thread is about literally lengthening the clavicle thus widening the underlying bonestruture.

[DoctorGirl]

Bone surgery is worst, osteoporosis risk (future fractures) and you would trust a plastic surgeon to do bone surgery? Real men don't do cosmetic surgery!

[Uppland]

Bone surgery is worst, osteoporosis risk (future fractures) and you would trust a plastic surgeon to do bone surgery? Real men don't do cosmetic surgery!

That's exactly what the user spiderman said -don't tell me you're the same person?

Thanks for bringing up the risks though.

[Disobedient]

Bone surgery is worst, osteoporosis risk (future fractures) and you would trust a plastic surgeon to do bone surgery? Real men don't do cosmetic surgery!

dear lord .. !

[ReadRothbard]

That guy had quality looking proportions before his transformation upper body wise. Note that a torso v-taper already existed. With that being said he has definitely improved. I can only imagine how much of an immense change it would be for a narrow-clavicled male to get both claviclular distraction and some well-developed shoulder muscles.
You look great. How much have you lost of that during LL-ing? With your frame you'll be able to fit your new height well unless you have t-rex arms.

Overhead presses, man. Once you're overhead pressing 150 lbs for reps, your shoulders will be unstoppably broad. Once you're overhead pressing 200 lbs for reps, you'll be the shoulder king.