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on general principles that children continuously underfed would grow
into underdeveloped adults. . .with normal or nearly normal size head, moderately retarded trunk and
relatively short legs.’ Reviewing the literature available at the time (pre-1950), Leitch found that
improved nutrition during infancy and childhood did result in a greater increase in LL than in total
height or weight.

Frisancho et al. [107] emphasize the
environmental effects in a study that finds that leg length of Mexican-Americans aged 2–17 years old
is significantly associated with socioeconomic status of their families. In that study, individuals from
better-off families have significantly longer legs, but equal trunk length, when compared with boys and
girls from poorer families.

Dangour [115] reports similar findings for two tribes of Amerindian
children living in Guyana. The tribes are both of low socioeconomic status, but differ markedly in the
quality of their living conditions. Children in the tribe with better living conditions are taller than their
age-mates in the other tribe. The difference in stature is due almost entirely to differences in leg length,
as there are no significant differences in sitting height between the tribes.

The values indicate that about 60% of the increase in stature is due
to longer legs. Consequently, the taller Maya-Americans have a significantly lower average sitting height
ratio than do the Maya in Guatemala.

Overall, mean stature is greater for the centre group than the slum group, but relative leg
length as measured by the sitting height ratio does not differ.(NHANES II),

all slum girls,all slum boys,  show relatively shorter legs.

and finally. drum role.......a medical study link showing crotch at half the height for an adult human of 25 years of age [/b]as an average.

Figure 6. Changes in body proportion during human growth after birth. Ages for each
profile are, from left to right, newborn, 2 years, 6 years, 12 years, 25 years. The hair style
and shading of the cartoon silhouettes are for artistic purposes and is not meant to imply
any ethnic, eco-geographical, or “racial” phenotypic characteristics of the human species
[provided courtesy of Dr. J. V. Basmajian].

the bottom line is simple. if your short your going to have short legs, and it is probably from under nutrition. almost all of the population suffers from malnutrition. the body preserves sitting height first when you suffer from malnutrition. your sitting height remains unaffected and your leg length becomes crap. that's how it works!

as you become taller from LL you become closer to the golden ratio. this is because when you stunted your growth from under nutrition your body preserved your sitting height with the nutrients it had and took your height from your legs( this is genetic programing). it did not do this to people who were not malnutritioned and became taller compared to average.

every single person suffers from malnutrition to different degrees.

this is why people who are short can get a lot of LL compared to people who are tall(and still stay in proportion), it is because your body decided to steal your height from your legs specifically!  that's how genetics work! that's what the medical studies state.

the problem with this world is that everyone has an opinion and no one reads.

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medical studies used.

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Autism at it's finest.

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Thank you for posting this, growtalordietrying1. Definitely a very interesting read.

So malnutrition primarily affects the length of the legs and not the trunk. Interesting. I suppose it would affect the length of the arms too, then. Unfortunately forearm lengthening isn't safe and humerus lengthing seems quite drastic after leg lengthening, but at least it's an option.

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Thank you for posting this, growtalordietrying1. Definitely a very interesting read.

So malnutrition primarily affects the length of the legs and not the trunk. Interesting. I suppose it would affect the length of the arms too, then. Unfortunately forearm lengthening isn't safe and humerus lengthing seems quite drastic after leg lengthening, but at least it's an option

yes that is correct. arm length is also sacrificed when conditions are not optimal. the body prioritizes the (head/brain) first, then (trunk), then (limbs).

also temperature also increases limb length. even in same ethnicity. I think humerus is not as drastic as people think. but certainly forearm is not really viable.

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Golden Ratio Myth, Fact and Misunderstanding (for Debunkers)
June 16, 2014 by Gary Meisner

There are many misconceptions and misrepresentations about the golden ratio. Some look too fervently for patterns and say it exists where it really doesn’t. Some whose goal is to debunk golden ratio myth say it doesn’t exist where it really does, missing the obvious and often not stating what proportions appear instead. People on both sides often just repeat what they’ve heard rather than personally performing the analysis required to support their conclusions. Intelligence and education are not always factors in getting to the truth, as even Ph.D.’s in mathematics sometimes get it wrong. As the author of this site since 1997, I’ve changed my views and the information on this site as well. Let’s look at some of the common points of confusion and debate, covering beauty, the Parthenon, the UN Secretariat Building, the Great Pyramid, Nautilus shell, use by famous artists (Da Vinci, Botticelli, Seurat, etc.) and other topics. I’ll provide objective answers, with additional evidence in the supporting articles for each topic. I’ll also welcome any evidence to support opposing views.

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1. Does the human face reflect golden ratios in its proportions?

Not everyone will agree, but there is much evidence to demonstrate that the answer is “Yes.” First, let’s acknowledge that every human face has unique measurements and proportions. As a result no single measure can be said to apply to every face. The real question is whether the golden ratio represents an average or ideal in human facial dimensions. The even more interesting question is whether golden ratios in facial features impact our perceptions of attractiveness and beauty. Debunkers will point out the variations, and perhaps suggest that those who find golden ratios in a beautiful face did so because they were looking for them. Consider the following studies though, which demonstrate that the connection to beauty is based on much more than looking for data to fit the desired result:

Dr. Stephen Marquardt, a maxillofacial surgeon and recognized expert on beauty, studied hundreds of faces in research on attractiveness to develop his patented “beauty mask.” The mask identifies archetypes for the faces perceived as most beautiful. The mask is based on dodecagons, which are based on golden ratios. Below is an example of a face that has been morphed to fit the beauty mask. Make your own assessment and see the YouTube video of the step-by-step transformation or click here for the article.:
Marquardt-Beauty-Mask-Photoshop-Revision

In 2009, a university study identified ideal facial proportions, as selected by study participants who chose the most attractive face from a series of photos. The researchers were not looking for the golden ratio. To the contrary, they concluded that it didn’t exist and announced their own two “new golden ratios” of attractiveness. My subsequent analysis, however, shows that their ideal facial features reveal a dozen golden ratios, in both horizontal and vertical dimensions of key facial markers.
In 2012, a UK cosmetic company ran a competition to find Britain’s most perfect face. The winner was selected from 8,000 contestants. Her face shows almost two dozen golden ratios in both the horizontal and vertical dimensions of key facial markers, as shown in an accompanying YouTube video to the article.