Topic: Towards a new life - External Tibia - Dr Sringari (Incomplete) (Read 23200 times)

Chocolaty · « **on:** October 03, 2014, 07:16:11 PM »

Heya friends, After reading this forum and other patients diaries for a long tym. Finally the time has come to get up n do it. I have finally made up my mind to do this surgery. I have scheduled consultations with few of the Indian doctors by the mid of this month.

I have even met Dr Salameh. He is a great doctor but I don't know if I would ever be able to earn that much money to do this surgery with him. And how long it wud take to save that much n i cant wait for that much tym.

I know this is a big risk I am taking by going to India for this surgery. The drs I m considering are Dr Suhas shah, Parihar{the paley trained}, Sarin{yes I know his reputaion but I just want to meet him}, Sringari{many patients had surgery with him last yr and did fine with some complaints but I am not sure none of his patients have posted full recovery video n no new diary from any of his current patient}.

I am considering LON as I cant wear the frames for full year. I know LON causes some knee problems later. But I think I can prevent it by doing it with some good doctor. Or it would happen no matter what I do. Correct me if I am wrong.

Lets see how it goes, whatever happens I will keep u guys posted . But please guys I need your support and suggestions regarding the doctors and how to prepare myself physically, what all things I need to carry with me or any other suggestions.

Cya

paco1 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 03, 2014, 07:44:23 PM »

The best doctor in india for leg lengthening looks like Mangal Parihar.
You can read Kilokhan diary and you will have a lot of information about the indians doctors.
Cheers and good luck with your surgery. I hope to have my surgery in a bit time with doctor salameh in Frankfurt.

TRS · « **Reply #2 on:** October 03, 2014, 08:22:23 PM »

Hey Chocolaty!
Thanks for starting a diary. Your experience will be influential to those who are considering LL in India (including me)
It's good that you are aware of what went on with Dr.Sarin and Dr.Sringari and since you will be in Delhi, I reckon it will be worth seeing Dr. Manish Dhawan http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=765.0.
When are you planning on doing the surgery?
Anyways, all the best and you have our support

Leo · « **Reply #3 on:** October 03, 2014, 10:11:43 PM »

All the best and wish you good luck.

Could you give us some details about you. height? Goal? age etc.

Frihet

KrP1 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 03, 2014, 11:18:59 PM »

If you are going to do it in india i think you must do it with parihar

Chocolaty · « **Reply #5 on:** October 04, 2014, 01:33:35 PM »

Quote from: FullmetalShorty on October 03, 2014, 08:22:23 PM

Hey Chocolaty!
Thanks for starting a diary. Your experience will be influential to those who are considering LL in India (including me)
It's good that you are aware of what went on with Dr.Sarin and Dr.Sringari and since you will be in Delhi, I reckon it will be worth seeing Dr. Manish Dhawan http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=765.0.
When are you planning on doing the surgery?
Anyways, all the best and you have our support

Thanks fpr all ur wishes. I will try my level best to be as informative as I can. I m planning to have the surgery by the end of october n what abt u ?

One thing I forgot to tell u guys is that I have already paid $2000 as booking amt to Dr Sringari in august as at that tym I was sure abt going to him. But now I want to be sure that I choose the right doctor as I dont want to risk my legs.

And regarding Dr Manish dhawan I havent seen any of his patient's diary over here or on old forum ?

Chocolaty · « **Reply #6 on:** October 04, 2014, 01:37:08 PM »

Quote from: Frihet on October 03, 2014, 10:11:43 PM

All the best and wish you good luck.

Could you give us some details about you. height? Goal? age etc.

Frihet

Thanks for ur wishes. I am 168 cm right now and want to gain around 7-8 cm. My age is between 23-26 I cant tell my exact age due to security reasons as many of my frnds are aware of this surgery and I dont want to risk my identity.

Chocolaty · « **Reply #7 on:** October 04, 2014, 01:41:15 PM »

I request all the old patients and experts to suggest n help me.

KiloKAHN · « **Reply #8 on:** October 04, 2014, 02:18:38 PM »

Only go to a qualified, experienced Ilizarov surgeon, and as an added measure go to one who is well known in the field. There are many surgeons who will play off of someone's desires and perform surgery on him knowing full well that they don't have the appropriate medical expertise to be doing so. I suggest going to someone other than Dr Sringari for this. Sringari is trained in joint replacement primarily. Joint replacement surgeons get a basic understanding of Ilizarov but they do not have the years of super-specialty training that Ilizarov surgeons receive. Putting on a frame isn't simply sliding the rings over and drilling holes everywhere. There are many complications that can happen with this surgery. An Ilizarov expert will have experience with these complications and know how to treat them in a way that a joint replacement surgeon could not.

If you are going to be in Delhi, Dr Manish Dhawan is the one to meet. He's actually consulted some former patients of Dr Sarin who got messed up, and when I had my consultation with him I was impressed with how up front he was about the surgery. I think he'd be a good choice to consider as I almost decided on him.

Dr Shah and Dr Parihar both have trained under Paley (Shah even training under Prof Catagni in Italy) and have other credentials to show their experience with Ilizarov, so it's good you're seeing them. Although I haven't any experience with Dr Shah beyond my consultation with him, the user crimsontide went to him to fix the equinus contracture he developed and reported back with a positive opinion about Dr Shah.

Dr Parihar has been great so far. He and his staff have all been more than accommodating and he's always given me as much time as I needed during my checkups, so I can see where his positive reputation comes from.

I think Parihar, Shah, and Dhawan could all be good options for you depending on what you find important. Meet them all in person at least.

Also, patient diaries can be a great resource but it's best not to automatically discredit a doctor who doesn't have a patient diary. Especially considering some diaries leave out important details intentionally or are outright faked (Phantom). Best way to decide on a doctor is through a one-on-one with all the doctors you're considering. Consider how they treated you during the consultation, if they gave you time and answered questions thoroughly, if they warned you of the dangers, how much they talked about money during the consultation, etc.

TRS · « **Reply #9 on:** October 04, 2014, 11:23:04 PM »

To be certain that your doctor is specialised in LL is of vital importance and one way to be sure is by checking whether the doctor is a member of ASAMI (Association for the Study and Application of the Method of Ilizarov). The following link provides a list of surgeons in India and around the world who are confirmed LL specialists http://www.asamiindia2014.com/faculty.html. There may be some LL doctors who are not in the list but they may have attended ASAMI seminars in the previous years and their names can be searched. Personally, I wouldn't have LL surgery with a doctor not listed in ASAMI. The doctors experience in LL and credentials is also important. Check whether the names Ilizarov(Kurgan), Paley, Catagni, Cattaneo, or any other respected LL surgeon appear in the doctors credentials. Also search whether the doctor has any publications on LL and made any contribution to the LL field.
As Kilokahn mentioned above, many patients ended up with doctors who are not specialised in LL surgery and/or unknown in the LL community. Unfortuantely, this is the reason why India has a very bad reputation for LL surgery..

LowerVilliers · « **Reply #10 on:** October 05, 2014, 07:43:58 PM »

Hello Chocolaty

You should definitely read KiloKAHN's diary.

I am going to do LON tibia LL in India in Jan or Feb.

In contact with someone else who is waiting for his visa and plans to have surgery in Delhi in October. If you want to do this procedure with him, I can forward on his contact info.

As I have learned from this forum, you have to have a good reliable Doctor and there are some in India

programdude · « **Reply #11 on:** October 06, 2014, 02:19:15 AM »

Congrats on your biggest life decision!

ShortyMcShort · « **Reply #12 on:** October 06, 2014, 04:33:53 AM »

Hopefully there'll be more Dr Parihar or Dr Shah diaries on here since I am now also interested after initially thinking Kilokahn was mad but he definitely changed my mind. Will see how his recovery goes

Chocolaty · « **Reply #13 on:** October 15, 2014, 05:53:50 AM »

Sorry guys I have been preparing, buying n packing stuff. I have almost packed everything I need but could u please tell me the things I should carry to India. U know what I mean like things which are necessary specifically for India.

I am planning to buy a stun gun for my safety as I wont be able to defend my self after surgery. Is it easily available there ?? from where I can buy it in india.

Here are some of the things I have packed :
•   Meds like anti biotic, painkillers, calcium, anti malaria/ dengue
•   Universal charger
•   My playstation n laptop

•   Winter clothes as I checked its winter season in India, XXL shorts etc. rest I will buy there only if needed.
•   Lots of chocolates
•   Protein powder

N I would buy the daily need stuff from India before surgery.

ShortyMcShort · « **Reply #14 on:** October 15, 2014, 06:04:53 AM »

Stun gun....? Cmon now that is highly unnecessary and completely uncalled for lol. You're going to India, not to off to fight ISIS

In saying that though, FullmetalShorty did have an intruder/burglar come into his complex, but Im sure that was a one off thing. I think you'll be safe

I dont have any advice since I've yet to do my surgery, Im sure others will make valuable suggestions.

Good luck and look forward to reading your diary, safe journey friend

Chocolaty · « **Reply #15 on:** October 21, 2014, 06:54:20 PM »

Sorry for the pause peeps I was preparing for my surgery, travel n all.

So here I am in Gurgon India. I landed yesterday 12:30 pm and currently I am staying in a hotel and they are charging me $30 per night. Food is fine and some of the Indian dishes are spicy n weird but some are delicious like butter chicken i love it. I tried dominos pizza and flavours here are all chicken or veg no beef. Strange so I asked the physio harry who came to pick me up and he told me cow is a sacred animal in India. wtf

haha I respected this holy thing and ordered one chicken pizza and it was goood.

Just got the wifi password from the hotel staff so thought of updating you guys about my arrival in India.

City is overall nice but I am very much scared of the traffic . The way they drive cars here damn some ppl crossing red light and some times I feel like driver would hit into some other car for sure. Luckily nothing happened. Pheww. Rest everything is good its not like what I thought it would be. There are big brand malls, building etc. Overall everything is good.

So I am having my consultation with Dr Sringari tomorrow. I dont know I have always wanted to do this but now I am confused that whether I am doing right or not. OR I am digging my own grave by doing this surgery ?? Its like 1000 questions popping in my mind every hour. Lets see how everything goes I will keep u guys posted.

Good night for now its getting late here and I am tired as hell. Hehe Bbye guys. Cya

ShortyMcShort · « **Reply #16 on:** October 22, 2014, 09:28:18 AM »

For the love of God and for you own sake I really hope you dont end up going with Dr Sringari....
With all the stories that came out of him, I wouldnt do the surgery with him even if it was $1-2,000. Serious

GROWtalORdieTRYING1 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 22, 2014, 01:00:30 PM »

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For the love of God and for you own sake I really hope you dont end up going with Dr Sringari....
With all the stories that came out of him, I wouldnt do the surgery with him even if it was $1-2,000. Serious

I agree. its a really pissy situation. but I think you should just forget about that deposit and go with parihar.

TRS · « **Reply #18 on:** October 22, 2014, 01:27:44 PM »

It will be interesting to know how many CLL patients are at Dr.Sringari's guesthouse, if any $:-\$ I haven't heard anything about Dr.Sringari or his guesthouse after Polycrates left India.

Taller · « **Reply #19 on:** October 22, 2014, 03:06:34 PM »

You should consult with him just to see what it's like there these days, and you might as well since you made your deposit, but, please, for your own good, do NOT have surgery with him.

Dick Dastardly · « **Reply #20 on:** October 22, 2014, 03:25:50 PM »

I don't think that's really fair to Doctor Sringari. It's like there's a new trend for every Indian doctor that comes out. Currently this board seems to like Doctor Parihar. But honest question, if Doctor Parihar was really that much better than Doctor Sringari, wouldn't that have been obvious from BigFaker's account? After all he met both including Doctor Sarin, but in the end he decided that Doctor Sringari was the best choice.

Chocolaty · « **Reply #21 on:** October 22, 2014, 07:43:30 PM »

So here I am after the consultation with Dr Sringari. My first impression is that he is a humble n knowledgeable doctor not like I was expecting.

Firstly I asked about the basic things like lengthening limits, accommodation, lengthening time, aparatus to be used etc etc . He said he recommend not going beyond 6cm-6.5cm. Rest it vary from body to body. And currently he is keeping all the patients in hotel. He then checked my ankle flexibility and said its average and I need to work hard on physiotherapy. And the whole time I was trying to analyze him.

Then I asked about the current patients. Currently he is having 1 patient who had his surgery last month and is in lengthening phase. And one patient left 1.5 months back and he did 6.8 cm.

I requested to meet that patient or have a talk with him if possible. He said he will ask him n let me knw if its possible or not. So may be tomorrow I wll meet him or have a talk.

I asked him abt the past issues that happened in his guest house. he was aware of it and said that it has been solved and now everything is fine and they have hired new staff.

Asked some other random questions and I dont know I was short of questions. I think I should have asked more but till now i dont have any thing negative about him. I think he was clear and straight away told me abt all the risks related with this surgery.

Then I requested to see the hospital and rooms etc so harry took me for a hospital tour. I could see lots of ppl in waiting room. And India is a short country I think the avg height here is around 5'4 to 5'6. And I felt quite comfortable. Nice n clean hospital with lots of black nurses. Hehe So here I am posting some of the pictures I clicked. Cya for now will post tomorrow about my next consultation n all.

ShortyMcShort · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2014, 12:33:40 PM »

Quote from: dck Dastardly on October 22, 2014, 03:25:50 PM

I don't think that's really fair to Doctor Sringari. It's like there's a new trend for every Indian doctor that comes out. Currently this board seems to like Doctor Parihar. But honest question, if Doctor Parihar was really that much better than Doctor Sringari, wouldn't that have been obvious from BigFaker's account? After all he met both including Doctor Sarin, but in the end he decided that Doctor Sringari was the best choice.

Speaking of fairness, do you think what happened to those previous Sringari patients were fair....?
He made his choice, now we get to make ours and he has to live with that reputation for a long time, if not the rest of his life

The place does look very clean, a lot cleaner and newer than Dr Parihar's. But I'd rather do my surgery in a ty hospital with a qualified and experienced doctor than in a nice hospital with a quack. Plus you'll only be in the hospital for a few days anyway and will spend the rest of your stay in a hotel so its not that much of a bother.

If he's not on the ASAMI list, he's not touching me.

GROWtalORdieTRYING1 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:01:00 PM »

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If he's not on the ASAMI list, he's not touching me.

EXACTLY!

meshine · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:31:50 PM »

First of all I would like to tell that I am not in support of any doctor I just want to clear this doctor conspiracy.

I am unable to understand why some people are in support of parihar and other novice Indian doctors but not sringari. This forum is same as old forum . old forum was first sarin centric n after that sringari. And this forum seems to be owned by parihar. Some are promoting parihar as crazy6 did for sarin.

How can u trust a doctor with out any past patient or diary ?? No one knew who parihar, talwar, shah n other doctors were before they were promoted over here. Atleast sringari & sarin has some diaries and you can see what other patients went through. As per my knowledge neither of the sringari patient had any serious problem. The main problem was with food n management and some of his patients posted walking videos also and I think he did around 8-10 surgeries last year. Which should give u idea about the doctor.

Sarin has done near about more than 50 surgeries and most of them went well. His downfall started after crazy 6 thing. And for that he should be sued.

I searched paras hospital on google its a well known multispeciality hospital not like a cheap one like parihar. Hospitals like Paras cant employ hoax doctors as its a matter of their reputatuion. Here is the link check it yourself.

http://www.parashospitals.com/
http://www.parashospitals.com/find_doctor-speciality-Orthopedics+and+Joint+Replacement-name--search-Search.htm

Check dr sringari's profie he is the Sr faculty of Orthopedics and Joint Replacement. I am sure he is there for a reason. People are misguiding saying so what if mangal parihar has a crap hospital, so what if he doesnt have any previous patient, so what if we have no records about him. Just go with him he is the master of LL, the so called Indian paley haha that is so hilarious. Out of no where he became the best doctor of LL. I am sure after some months someone will come up with another doctor claiming him to be the best.

What I want to say is that when ever they want to introduce a new doctor they just start talking abt the other doctor just to make way for new one. So I urge people not to follow such claims and use your brains. All I want to say is that dont fall prey to any doctor or any one promoting any doctor. Never trust internet here any1 can make up stories for his own benefit. Just go visit the doctors u r considering and then make up ur mind. Be smart be responsible.

KiloKAHN · « **Reply #25 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:48:56 PM »

Quote from: meshine on October 23, 2014, 05:31:50 PM

First of all I would like to tell that I am not in support of any doctor I just want to clear this doctor conspiracy.

I am unable to understand why some people are in support of parihar and other novice Indian doctors but not sringari.

Got to this point.

Then was all...

Moubgf · « **Reply #26 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:52:57 PM »

Thanks for the pictures man!

chrisperez · « **Reply #27 on:** October 23, 2014, 07:21:32 PM »

Quote from: meshine on October 23, 2014, 05:31:50 PM

First of all I would like to tell that I am not in support of any doctor I just want to clear this doctor conspiracy.

I am unable to understand why some people are in support of parihar and other novice Indian doctors but not sringari. This forum is same as old forum . old forum was first sarin centric n after that sringari. And this forum seems to be owned by parihar. Some are promoting parihar as crazy6 did for sarin.

How can u trust a doctor with out any past patient or diary ?? No one knew who parihar, talwar, shah n other doctors were before they were promoted over here. Atleast sringari & sarin has some diaries and you can see what other patients went through. As per my knowledge neither of the sringari patient had any serious problem. The main problem was with food n management and some of his patients posted walking videos also and I think he did around 8-10 surgeries last year. Which should give u idea about the doctor.

Sarin has done near about more than 50 surgeries and most of them went well. His downfall started after crazy 6 thing. And for that he should be sued.

I searched paras hospital on google its a well known multispeciality hospital not like a cheap one like parihar. Hospitals like Paras cant employ hoax doctors as its a matter of their reputatuion. Here is the link check it yourself.

http://www.parashospitals.com/
http://www.parashospitals.com/find_doctor-speciality-Orthopedics+and+Joint+Replacement-name--search-Search.htm

Check dr sringari's profie he is the Sr faculty of Orthopedics and Joint Replacement. I am sure he is there for a reason. People are misguiding saying so what if mangal parihar has a crap hospital, so what if he doesnt have any previous patient, so what if we have no records about him. Just go with him he is the master of LL, the so called Indian paley haha that is so hilarious. Out of no where he became the best doctor of LL. I am sure after some months someone will come up with another doctor claiming him to be the best.

What I want to say is that when ever they want to introduce a new doctor they just start talking s**t abt the other doctor just to make way for new one. So I urge people not to follow such claims and use your brains. All I want to say is that dont fall prey to any doctor or any one promoting any doctor. Never trust internet here any1 can make up stories for his own benefit. Just go visit the doctors u r considering and then make up ur mind. Be smart be responsible.

Harry is that you? I was wondering when you wold come onto this thread and start trying to convince all to go to Sringari. All know that it was you that was the problem.

Cannibal · « **Reply #28 on:** October 23, 2014, 07:36:10 PM »

Thanks for the pictures, Chocolaty. Glad your consultation went well.

Are you going to see Dr Dhawan also? His page on here looks good and I like his prices so it would be great to know what you think of him.

As for the question of Sringari versus Parihar, true there may be only one patient diary of Dr. Parihar as opposed to the handful of Dr. Sringari diaries. So in that sense Sringari is more well known than Parihar. On the flip side, if you were to talk to well known Ilizarov surgeons like Paley, Guichet, Salameh, etc and ask them if they've heard of Dr. Parihar and Dr. Sringari, do you think more of them would know of Dr Parihar or Dr. Sringari?

ShortyMcShort · « **Reply #29 on:** October 24, 2014, 03:32:13 AM »

Quote from: meshine on October 23, 2014, 05:31:50 PM

Check dr sringari's profie he is the Sr faculty of Orthopedics and Joint Replacement.

Answered your own question really....

JOINT REPLACEMENT is NOT limb lengthening and that is his main problem. He has no limb lengthening or Illizarov apparatus experience of any kind, he is the definition of the word inexperienced and only got some 'experience' experimenting on those previous poor souls that went to him because of his cheap price. Whats that quote floating around on here about saving money and having problems for life?

Is he on the ASAMI list yet? If not then I wonder why...
To reiterate - if he's not on the ASAMI list, he's not touching me

davidmurra · « **Reply #30 on:** October 24, 2014, 05:40:32 AM »

Thanks for the pics man. It seems to be a good hospital. Did u have chat with any of his current patient ??

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