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[oklama]

Im 165 flat exactly bascially at night. for some reason I really want to be 180, I know I will be able to get 8+5 which would get me to 178 and hopefully to 179 but I really want 180. Does this 1cm really matter, I just want to be able to say im 5'11 and not be lying. It would be the most vindication to me to be able to know im average or above anywhere in the world and grant me enough peace of mind to forget about this bull . There was a point where I was under 165 at night but now im 5'5.5 in the morning and 5'5 at night. so maybe im still eeking out a little bit of growth.

Anyway does this make sense or nah? ik 7cm tibias seems like a pipe dream but ive seen I done and im not an athlete, I just care to have a decent running ability and general flexibility, but idgaf about sports. I know paley does 8cm tibs by healing and re-breaking but thats a whole lot of time taken up, so I may be willing to do that but damn if thats almost too much, even for me.

Maybe when I get to 173 I'll stop caring as much and be good with 178... or, even worse, ill realize I was entirely right and every cm counts.

Bascially my current plan is to fking speed run the   out of saving ~70k for femur operation with dr. assayag, then work on other things and relax a little bit and get humerus (5'6 wingspan unfortunately, wont work with 5'10.5-11 height, assayag says humerus lengthening isn't a problem) and tibs done later.  I am considering saving up half or more of the money than taking a loan to pay for the rest just to get this out of the way, but I would only consider that for femurs as I consider 165-173 an emergency and anything past extremely wanted but not vital.

I'm 21 and unfortunately due to a bunch of unrelated mishaps I have nothing saved however I graduate from college soon and may be able to get a job making ~100k or more and I can live super frugally to hopefully save a lot of money quickly.

[Activatedxx]

dont obsess over these things, it’s a mental illness. I started the same exact height as you and my proportions look great after doing quads. Once you pass 175 you don’t care about these things, you pass the eye test and look tall. Plus everyone adds 1-2 inches to their height anyways. With shoes on you would actually be 5’11. ’ll upload a pic to my diary soon. Only time proportions are noticeable is if you’re stocky. Doing 7cm tibs is a pipe dream, I’m at 4cm and getting tight, I couldn’t imagine doing another 3 on top of it. Paley does it that way as it gives the soft tissue time to adapt. Even after I fully recovered from femurs, at the 1 year mark I noticed significant improvement in my flexibility. You could do ATL release and 6-6.5cm, I think is max assayag allows. Every half cm after 4-5 exponentially reduces overall flexibility.

[oklama]

dont obsess over these things, it’s a mental illness. I started the same exact height as you and my proportions look great after doing quads. Once you pass 175 you don’t care about these things, you pass the eye test and look tall. Plus everyone adds 1-2 inches to their height anyways. With shoes on you would actually be 5’11. ’ll upload a pic to my diary soon. Only time proportions are noticeable is if you’re stocky. Doing 7cm tibs is a pipe dream, I’m at 4cm and getting tight, I couldn’t imagine doing another 3 on top of it. Paley does it that way as it gives the soft tissue time to adapt. Even after I fully recovered from femurs, at the 1 year mark I noticed significant improvement in my flexibility. You could do ATL release and 6-6.5cm, I think is max assayag allows. Every half cm after 4-5 exponentially reduces overall flexibility.

Surely if paley does it then it's fine? I may be willing to do the paley method on that, it would depend on how things are going for me at that time and how I feel. But im going for 1 cm under paleys max there. If I did that I dont think I'd go for 181 becuase I think my 180 would be the max to remain reasonably proportional. Of course it's all up to the doctor, so if the doctor says no then thats about it. 6.5 may be acceptable, I mean its half a fking cm I assume I wouldnt care at that moment, but right now its important to me. Would even consider doing it with Paley, it just depends how much of an issue money is to me at that time. God didn't bless me with enough luck to be 5'8+, so im hoping I get lucky with money to even it out.

I have reasonable confidence that with a clearer mind I will be able to make the right choice at that time. but I wish I knew all the information pertaining to it at this moment.

I think my current plan would now be to do 8cm femur, then if that doesnt satisfy me (which it likely wont) 5cm humerus,  followed by 5cm tibia. Then by the time I am able to get the nail out, I decide whether or not to get the extra 3cm. Does this seem possible?

or if I somehow get ridiculously rich, just do the 4+4 + 4+4 paley, but do an intercession of humerus between the first and second breaks. But at this point we are talking 370,000 dollars, which is a sum I could maybe eventually afford, but not worth waiting 8 years for.

[Activatedxx]

The bigger question is where do you plan to get 300k lol, three orthopedic surgeries with palsy and also the humerus. Recovery is going to be years. Stick it with doing 8 femurs and 6 tibs, no ones going to notice a cm. Also you don’t get the full length from LL. My 8 on femurs (and they measured my xrays) translated to about 7 irl.

If you have bow legs or some minor deformity, assayag or hss might be able to help with some of the costs.you can read my diary for more info. Hss will require a large deposit though until insurance pays, and Assayag doesn’t

[oklama]

The bigger question is where do you plan to get 300k lol, three orthopedic surgeries with palsy and also the humerus. Recovery is going to be years. Stick it with doing 8 femurs and 6 tibs, no ones going to notice a cm. Also you don’t get the full length from LL. My 8 on femurs (and they measured my xrays) translated to about 7 irl.

If you have bow legs or some minor deformity, assayag or hss might be able to help with some of the costs.you can read my diary for more info. Hss will require a large deposit though until insurance pays, and Assayag doesn’t

Aspiring artist who already saw mild success (in terms of music way more than most people, however only in the single digit thousands of dollars) years ago when I didn't know what I was doing + work in a rather high paying field, so me eventually having that much money isn't out of the question, however definitely not to be expected. I just have a lot of faith in myself. If not for an unrelated illness that took me out of artistic related work for over 2 years, I think I would probably have 20k+ already saved up.

You will probably correctly assess me as even more delusional when I say this, but I dont rule it out of the question that I could have $300k by this time next year, however I put that at .05% chance, and dont expect to be making that amount for 5-7 years.

Thats a little bit devastating regarding the loss to curvature. Might have to go to giotikas to get 8.5cm on femurs lol , I seriously think being 172.5 would bother the fk out of me becuase 5'8 is what I consider necessary to enjoy life fully. the number I always heard for loss to curvature was much lower like 10mm or something which obviously is nothing to care about.

[AllinStryde]

Wondering why the ideal number of 180?  Is it because girls said "swipe left" if you're under 180?  Don't listen to their nonsense.  Do one segment, and I promise you'll be happy. 

[oklama]

Wondering why the ideal number of 180?  Is it because girls said "swipe left" if you're under 180?  Don't listen to their nonsense.  Do one segment, and I promise you'll be happy.

Nah, im american so there is actually no significance to 180 here, I really dont care that much about those "6ft or above" people that much. It's becuase of the way I think about height and that 180 is reasonably considered 5'11.

I think about it in this way

5'2-5'4 - greatly disadvantaged
5'5-5'7 - disadvantaged
5'8-5'10 - no effect
5'11-6'1 - advantaged
6'2 - 6'5 - greatly advantaged

obviously its no so discrete but thats the way I generally think about it. It depends on your area really. Im in a taller area right now so you might move it up a bit but in a place of a 5'9 average height this is how I'd think of it.

So i'm currently in the bottom of 'disadvantaged' and I would like to be 'advantaged'. Essentially I just want to be taller then most people I meet, but at the end of the day if I only get to 5'10 or whatever, then that might be okay as i'm still average even in the taller areas of America. But at 180 I would sleep very well at night.

But this is perspective as someone 165, I would not be shocked for it to change.

[GrowGrow123]

Just gotta accept what's in the cards for you and what's not. 8 + 5 is reasonable. That will get you to 178. Anything beyond that though I would just consider not feasibly safe. In particular, tibia lengthening complications dramatically go up past 5cm and are much harder to stretch than femurs.

I would just consider yourself lucky this procedure even exists nowadays, get to 178cm, and never look back.

[Calic]

I think you should set your goal to be 178 cm. For me personally, going from 171.5 cm to 178 cm (evening height) had a much bigger impact than I thought it would. Walking around for the past 11 years I felt taller than most other people and in general people are nicer towards me than they were at my previous height. Of course height is not everything, a person needs to have a reasonably attractive face and body to go with it.

If I were in your position I'd do 8 cm on femurs with Precice and do TSF as far as you can go and if you have to stop before your goal then you do that and sit in the frames until you are recovered and do a re-break to lengthen again. Cost of living in Greece and South Africa is less than the US so you can save up enough to stay for a few years or get a remote tech job that pays enough to support yourself.

If you are dead set on reaching above 178 cm you could go with the Guichet nail (10 cm max) or Betzbone (12.3 cm max) and see if the doctors are willing to do a re-break if you don't reach your target goal on your femur. Following this you can do TSF on the tibias for the remainder.

I think you should forget about humerus lengthening. Paley's advice is to make it the final bone you lengthen and put some deep thought into it before deciding to do it. Sedat from LiveLifeTaller has an arm span of 164 cm at 177 cm height and I only noticed his arms looked a bit short after I was looking for it. I am sure the vast majority of normal people with no knowledge of proportions or LL notice or care if your arms are short.

[oklama]

I think you should set your goal to be 178 cm. For me personally, going from 171.5 cm to 178 cm (evening height) had a much bigger impact than I thought it would. Walking around for the past 11 years I felt taller than most other people and in general people are nicer towards me than they were at my previous height. Of course height is not everything, a person needs to have a reasonably attractive face and body to go with it.

If I were in your position I'd do 8 cm on femurs with Precice and do TSF as far as you can go and if you have to stop before your goal then you do that and sit in the frames until you are recovered and do a re-break to lengthen again. Cost of living in Greece and South Africa is less than the US so you can save up enough to stay for a few years or get a remote tech job that pays enough to support yourself.

If you are dead set on reaching above 178 cm you could go with the Guichet nail (10 cm max) or Betzbone (12.3 cm max) and see if the doctors are willing to do a re-break if you don't reach your target goal on your femur. Following this you can do TSF on the tibias for the remainder.

I think you should forget about humerus lengthening. Paley's advice is to make it the final bone you lengthen and put some deep thought into it before deciding to do it. Sedat from LiveLifeTaller has an arm span of 164 cm at 177 cm height and I only noticed his arms looked a bit short after I was looking for it. I am sure the vast majority of normal people with no knowledge of proportions or LL notice or care if your arms are short.

Why does paley say that? Assayag once even responded to me on here and said aside from rotator cuff injury theres no problem to lengthen the humerus and its the easiest of them all? is it just because it doesnt present much actual benefit so any risk isnt worth it?

I dont know if others would care about my arm length, but I do. I have very small arms in terms of circumference which I am going to work on by weight lifting and other things, but I just think I wouldnt have peace of mind being 178 or 180 or whatever it will be with much shorter arms. It's for myself more than anyone else. At that point ill also be very much pushing the SHR to like .486 and shorter torso looks better with longer arms

I'm not going to do exfixes, thats just out of the question for me, it seems horrific to deal with and pin site infections or whatever other things that comes along with it.

If the femur is able to go 10 or 12cm (which isnt something I would ever think is safe in one shot) why couldn't the tibia go 7 or 8? I honestly do not trust Dr Betz to tell me whats safe or not considering so many of his patients do lengthening numbers I would consider crazy in one segment. I dont know about guichet but I know about the Unicorn case.

My current plan is to speed run 8cm femurs with Assayag, then probably do 5cm on tibias with him or paley and let that sit for a while and if I think it would be worth it rebreak for the other 2 or 3cm. I truly dont know what I would choose to do, but I think I will make the right decision, and I will have plenty of time to talk to the doctor and experience it myself. Maybe I will stop a 173 and at that case my arm length is fine.

[Calic]

Why does paley say that? Assayag once even responded to me on here and said aside from rotator cuff injury theres no problem to lengthen the humerus and its the easiest of them all? is it just because it doesnt present much actual benefit so any risk isnt worth it?

I dont know if others would care about my arm length, but I do. I have very small arms in terms of circumference which I am going to work on by weight lifting and other things, but I just think I wouldnt have peace of mind being 178 or 180 or whatever it will be with much shorter arms. It's for myself more than anyone else. At that point ill also be very much pushing the SHR to like .486 and shorter torso looks better with longer arms

I'm not going to do exfixes, thats just out of the question for me, it seems horrific to deal with and pin site infections or whatever other things that comes along with it.

If the femur is able to go 10 or 12cm (which isnt something I would ever think is safe in one shot) why couldn't the tibia go 7 or 8? I honestly do not trust Dr Betz to tell me whats safe or not considering so many of his patients do lengthening numbers I would consider crazy in one segment. I dont know about guichet but I know about the Unicorn case.

My current plan is to speed run 8cm femurs with Assayag, then probably do 5cm on tibias with him or paley and let that sit for a while and if I think it would be worth it rebreak for the other 2 or 3cm. I truly dont know what I would choose to do, but I think I will make the right decision, and I will have plenty of time to talk to the doctor and experience it myself. Maybe I will stop a 173 and at that case my arm length is fine.

He said in the interview there is no disproportion of the arms for leg lengthenings under 6 inches which is interesting because his stature PDF guide states leg lengthenings under 4 inches. Correct, it is the easiest bone to lengthen but at the same time it is the least beneficial. I think longer arms can help offset a short torso but only to a small extent.

Extreme lengthening in the tibias is higher risk than in the femur due to the Achilles tendon, it just doesn't stretch and lengthen as easily as the soft tissues in the femur do. If someone is young, flexible, and puts in the PT work they could probably do 7 or 8 in one go and recover but it could take several years and there is no guarantee they get full range of motion back without additional surgery.