I came upon some studies about height and tbh they astonishingly renewed my previous excessively negative point of view over how detrimental it was to be short. And as I have learned, 'heightpill' is one of the most ignored, however, sub forms of 'blackpill', as well as 'jawpill'(If your jaws are not defined you can't ever attract any woman. Smth like that).
Heightpill. This is what many incels call it (especially those who are the most pessimistic and brainwashed by the so-called "blackpill theory". In fact it surely may be accepted as a subset of the blackpill).
According to the most objective and scientific metapill theory the height is an important part of the attractiveness, so the co-called heightpill isn't baseless. There are some truths like that that most of the women do prefer taller than them partner. the problem is when the height is overvalued. There are incels (not all of course) who really overestimate the importance of the height. To think that height (heightpill) is the most important is the same as to think that the car is most important: Just think about it: carpill (There are plenty of females who'll not contact with a man without a car. In some areas to own a car is a must. So some incels may create the "carpill" and to start to insist that "Car is everything.", "JHC" ("Just have car"), "No car, no woman.", "If you have no car, it's over", etc.) Needless to say that it's not right because there are and there will be males without car/cars (but with other attractive things) who'll have a girlfriend, a wife. The problem with the height (heightpill) is the same (or almost the same). If the height is your only problem it's not over because simply you can compensate it with other things (like the example above -- a gymmaxxed, popularitymaxxed, moneymaxxed actor may be average or relatively short but it can't affect his attraction. He will win against maybe 90% of the taller men around the world.)
Some more notes on the heightpill statements:
1. "A man's height is a hard limit to his attractiveness." It is but not more than many other "limits" like poverty (poorcels), baldness (baldcels), old age (oldcels) and so on. For example, do you believe that just being tall is useful for a very poor, bald and old man? That's why if you're short you have to compensate it with other positive traits (positive qualities)
2. "While women do tend to prefer men who are taller than themselves, it appears that body height only has a very small impact on men's intimate life." This is one of the parts of the heightpill that metapill should and do accept. It's just like this: the height is a positive trait but it's just one of many positive traits. So it, itself, can impact the success but only to a very small degree. If it's not combined with some more positive traits (attraction traits) it's practically useless.
3. In case it's true that "A man who is 6’2″ is 17% more likely to be contacted than a man of average height of 5’8″ (173 cm) and 57% more likely to be contacted than a man under 5’5” (165 cm)." it's not something really big issue. See why: Let's assume you're one of those short men who is around 165 cm tall. The tallest men are getting 57% (not sure, but "more likely"). Okay, let's take it as a even 60% more. So, what's the real difference? If you and those tall men in question have the same traits (face, body, status, wealth, health, etc.) and they got 16 contacts you'll get "only" 10. And if they got 1600 contacts you'll get "only"1000.
Do you understand? It's not a big difference because you still will have enough contacts to choose from!
Another proof, from the opposite: let's say you're a shorcel with many negative traits (like balding, short of money, low education level, bad location and so on). Well, in this case, from millions of females maybe only 2 of them will contact you. And those tall but also balding, poor, uneducated and living in bad places men will be contacted 60% because of their height... which equals just around 3 females. Is this number very significant? Is there a big difference between 2 and 3?
4. Jenkins and Frederick (2015) study: the difference between the shortest and the tallest males --
Category
Average partner count
9.4
very short (5'2"–5'4"; 157–164 cm; 1%)
extremely tall (6'5"+; greater than 194 cm; 2%)
12.3
And what? The difference between the most contacted (the tallest in this study; but keep in mind that in other studies the tallest is not the most contacted) and the least contacted (the shortest) is 12.3 - 9.4 = 2.9. Around 3 women difference. So, does it matter that much?
5. It is rare to find a tall female dating a short guy. True. Luckily most of the females are shorter than the males so not everything is lost. The problem is when your big love, your "oneitis" is taller than you... and then you'll suffer more. But if you're not so obsessed and you give yourself chance with other females you'll find out that there are more or less shorter than you which already shows that it's not over. In the worst case you have to geomaxx and to be in a place where you're not looking so short to the locals.
And, as a conclusion, you don't need to be much taller than your partner according to these results:
All in all, as I found out, some users here exacerbated how horrible it was to be short, as if if you had been short, your shortness would've been ever an instant dealbreaker in building a relationship, or purposed some statements that could give the same negative vibe.
Ain't persuading anyone out of considering doing an LL. Just sharing the studies and the opinions.
Plus, and maybe it will irritate some aggressive incels here. I found out this forum had been penetrated with much incel ideologies and trollers that could always disturb the viewers of a post, for ex, when you are checking an LL diary where the LLer did 10cm lengthening to get himself from 170 to 180 and there comes up an incel claiming oh 180cm is still a 'subhuman' because of how highly requiring for height nowadays girls are(although I never heard any girl who would reject a man just because he was under 180cm, regardless of how good he was in other things). We came here for the knowledge concerning LL instead of being disturbed with any autistic incel view again and I am really wondering the reason of the advent of such decline of enjoyability of this forum... The culprit may be the lenience of the registration...
