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[Givemesomecm]

I plan to go to WBT to do Precice.
As I heard Yuksel is so bad doctor but how about Yunus?
How do you think about my decision? Is it better to avoid WBT?

[Charizard]

Totally avoid them. They have zero aftercare experience and most of their patients ends up complications as you can read from the diaries here bro.

[DanishViking]

Pretty much all surgeons in Turkey has a really bad reputation because they have had so many patients with serious long term complications and neglect them including WBT and yuksel Yurtas. The only company that has had a decent amount of positive feedback on here and only 1 bad case from Turkey is AFA. I almost did surgery with them and honestly, I would feel more safe by saving up more and do it with dr Birkholtz because he seems to care the most about safety. Not even Dr Giotikas is worth it anymore according to cyborg4life and me as well. He gave someone permanent non-union and lengthened a patient 9,5 cm on femurs whos starting height was 159 cm and accidently had someone die under his care! Avoid surgeons in Europe tbh their aren't really any good ones and save up for dr Birkholtz or surgeons in the US. That is my take.

[DonBones]

Pretty much all surgeons in Turkey has a really bad reputation because they have had so many patients with serious long term complications and neglect them including WBT and yuksel Yurtas. The only company that has had a decent amount of positive feedback on here and only 1 bad case from Turkey is AFA. I almost did surgery with them and honestly, I would feel more safe by saving up more and do it with dr Birkholtz because he seems to care the most about safety. Not even Dr Giotikas is worth it anymore according to cyborg4life and me as well. He gave someone permanent non-union and lengthened a patient 9,5 cm on femurs whos starting height was 159 cm and accidently had someone die under his care! Avoid surgeons in Europe tbh their aren't really any good ones and save up for dr Birkholtz or surgeons in the US. That is my take.

Not saying this is not true, but can you back that up?

[farandrose]

Forum has search bar, just use it bro

[shortisnotfun]

I plan to go to WBT to do Precice.
As I heard Yuksel is so bad doctor but how about Yunus?
How do you think about my decision? Is it better to avoid WBT?

Both are terrible.

[Nyc brother]

Pretty much all surgeons in Turkey has a really bad reputation because they have had so many patients with serious long term complications and neglect them including WBT and yuksel Yurtas. The only company that has had a decent amount of positive feedback on here and only 1 bad case from Turkey is AFA. I almost did surgery with them and honestly, I would feel more safe by saving up more and do it with dr Birkholtz because he seems to care the most about safety. Not even Dr Giotikas is worth it anymore according to cyborg4life and me as well. He gave someone permanent non-union and lengthened a patient 9,5 cm on femurs whos starting height was 159 cm and accidently had someone die under his care! Avoid surgeons in Europe tbh their aren't really any good ones and save up for dr Birkholtz or surgeons in the US. That is my take.

Hi Danish Viking.
I am the patient who lengthened 9.5cm. It was my choice. I am happy. Also the patient who got non union was a precice patient who the doctor said to stop Lengthening and reverse it. She did not listen. Yes, there was 1 patient who died by Dr. Giotikas. You will be surprised he has a lot of patients who are very successful. He had like 16 patients a month on average in 2023. I am in Athens now for my Tibia. The new patients do not create diaries anymore. They just lurk in this forum. I am not trying to sell Dr Giotikas to anyone but I do think he is a good doctor and have not had any problems so far. Thank G-d.

[jbfjbj4]

Hi Danish Viking.
I am the patient who lengthened 9.5cm. It was my choice. I am happy. Also the patient who got non union was a precice patient who the doctor said to stop Lengthening and reverse it. She did not listen. Yes, there was 1 patient who died by Dr. Giotikas. You will be surprised he has a lot of patients who are very successful. He had like 16 patients a month on average in 2023. I am in Athens now for my Tibia. The new patients do not create diaries anymore. They just lurk in this forum. I am not trying to sell Dr Giotikas to anyone but I do think he is a good doctor and have not had any problems so far. Thank G-d.

The guy you're talking to is a giant pussy who will never be getting the surgery and will die a manlet, mark my words. Goes from wanting one surgeon, then backs out, moves onto another, then backs out...he's been doing this since he joined.

In the end his destiny will be to cope that his 'confidence' makes up for his height, lol. Ironic, someone who has no courage in their own convictions will bark and yap so much about how confident he is. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

[Nyc brother]

I personally know the patient who has non union. Female from china.
Overall, I want to clear some things about Dr Giotikas. I think he is a great surgeon he knows what he is doing. Meaning actually cutting the bone and technical skills. However, 2 things. 1. The city of Athens is not the most comfortable. My friend is doing surgery now by Becker. He is staying in a fancy hotel which has a pool and PT. Doctor Becker checks on him everyday. Of course it’s luxury. But do you that know he is paying 150 EU a day for that? In Athens things are much cheaper but it’s a hassle to get from the hotel/airbnb to PT and to the hospital. They do have a driver though so somewhat easier now. 2. G-nail clicking is painful. Whoever said otherwise is lying. We are trading the ability to weight bear instead of precice however the price is more pain. It’s not fair to   on the doctor when G-nail itself is way more of a painful process than precice.

[Acemace86]

Why do you have so much hatred for Danish Viking? Aside from your disdain for him he’s usually not wrong on his posts.

[DanishViking]

Acemace86 thank you for your concern. Most low IQ people can't argue about a given topic, but start going personal once the person have a different opinion than them.

AND MARK MY WORDS! LOL jbfjbj4 is going to end crippled by unexperienced surgeons because his not critical and doesn't do exstensive research. This is hilarious thanks for the good laugh.

I mean look at his profile name, and the type of slang he uses, it clearly screams low IQ in my opinion.

But here is the case Cyborg4life covered where Dr Giotikas gave someone permanent non-union in the femurs. What's the cause was I don't know. But I do believe the story you guys give. Look at the first comments profile picture:

- 15:46

Cyborg4life have also hidden / removed the interviews with him because he doesn't want to recommend dr G anymore. I have tried and asked why, but he doesn't want to answer...

It's sad and critical that Cyborg4life doesn't talk more openly about why he doesn't recommend him and how the turkish surgeons operates, he should be more direct and call them out by name. But maybe his afraid of being sued?

And sure my opinion of surgeons have changed somewhat over the time including now, but for multiple reasons such as negative cases along the way, visiting the clinic, lack of both sides of the story, talk with surgeons, or more research that I digged up.

[jbfjbj4]

Acemace86 thank you for your concern. Most low IQ people can't argue about a given topic, but start going personal once the person have a different opinion than them.

AND MARK MY WORDS! LOL jbfjbj4 is going to end crippled by unexperienced surgeons because his not critical and doesn't do exstensive research. This is hilarious thanks for the good laugh.

I mean look at his profile name, and the type of slang he uses, it clearly screams low IQ in my opinion.

But here is the case Cyborg4life covered where Dr Giotikas gave someone permanent non-union in the femurs. What's the cause was I don't know. But I do believe the story you guys give. Look at the first comments profile picture:

- 15:46

Cyborg4life have also hidden / removed the interviews with him because he doesn't want to recommend dr G anymore. I have tried and asked why, but he doesn't want to answer...

It's sad and critical that Cyborg4life doesn't talk more openly about why he doesn't recommend him and how the turkish surgeons operates, he should be more direct and call them out by name. But maybe his afraid of being sued?

And sure my opinion of surgeons have changed somewhat over the time including now, but for multiple reasons such as negative cases along the way, visiting the clinic, lack of both sides of the story, talk with surgeons, or more research that I digged up.

Son, I started reading this forum far after you even joined it, and in that time have got the surgery, consolidated, and walk around now 9cm taller. While you're still doing 'research', leaping from one surgeon to the next. 18 months of frickin 'research', and that's just going off your join date!

First Dr G was great, then he wasn't, Then you wanted to go to AFA, but now don't like them. No doubt you'll find a problem with Birkholtz in a few months, and this is really all just so you can justify your inaction, because deep down, you're a coward and a sheep who needs to have decisions made for you by superior men. Born a manlet and will die a manlet.

[DanishViking]

hahaha omg I'm so hurt now, how am I supposed to live now that this alpha male doesn't like me? If I had all the money to spend, I would have taken action far earlier but unfortunetly I don't. The fact that you decided to overlengthen and still keeps tracrapalking me just proves my point, of you not having the highest IQ. Terms like "pussy" or "manlet" are not used by people with a high IQ, its plain and simple. But please next time keep your mouth shut unless you have some valuable information to add like the others, instead of spreading unnecessary personal attacks 24/7 because you're butthurt that I don't have the same opinion as you. Some people rush it, others don't. You might be taller now, but your're still a extremely toxic human being...

[jbfjbj4]

hahaha omg I'm so hurt now, how am I supposed to live now that this alpha male doesn't like me? If I had all the money to spend, I would have taken action far earlier but unfortunetly I don't. The fact that you decided to overlengthen and still keeps tracrapalking me just proves my point, of you not having the highest IQ. Terms like "pussy" or "manlet" are not used by people with a high IQ, its plain and simple. But please next time keep your mouth shut unless you have some valuable information to add like the others, instead of spreading unnecessary personal attacks 24/7 because you're butthurt that I don't have the same opinion as you. Some people rush it, others don't. You might be taller now, but your're still a extremely toxic human being...

It's clearly nothing to do with money as you seemingly seem to now prefer Birkholtz over Giotikas or AFA, who costs more money than both of them. No, your issue is you're a coward who likes to fantasise about being taller but will never actually grow a pair and do the damn surgery. I guarantee you'll have a problem with Birkoltz next, and then you'll say it's only worth going with Paley, so you need to save more etc...if you ever one day got the money for him, you'd end up coping and say you don't need the surgery afterall cos muh I'm so confident. Just a neverending way to justify inaction. Your fate is to forever be ordered around by men who can actually make decisions.

M-m-muh IQ! Little man, you're inferior to me in every way, not only in stature. I can actually make a decision and stick to it.