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[lessthanavg8300]

Asking this because currently if I do intense stretching (hamstrings and sciatic nerve) I get inflammation and actually become less flexible the next day.  I dont get how you can hit it hard every single day.  Do you have rest days at all?  Or is the whole process basically just never giving it a rest and tearing fiber?  I do notice if I take advil that things calm down.  So maybe the anti-inflammatory meds are the key.

I guess Im asking if you can ever afford to take a day off or 2 and let things calm down or if you really need to stretch every single day like clockwork.

[lessthanavg8300]

I guess this is why people like the sauana and hot showers.....to loosen things up and allow you to keep going.  Stretching this morning and things do loosen up after a while for me I suppose.

[RealLostSoul]

You haven’t even done it so, with all due respect, I don‘t get why you speak like you have the experience already? Makes no sense to me. Obviously stretching before is very different to what it will be like once you do it.
Look, the concept is very simple to understand. Think of it this way: your bone gets longer so your muscles need to get longer too, how do you do that? Stretching. If you stretch and the bone stays the same length (eg before surgery) your muscle doesn‘t need to adapt permanently so they go back to their original length after a few hours. This is also why stretching before is more just useful to get into the habit.

You will see once you do it. But for 5 cm man honestly you could go with very little stretching but the less you stretch the worse you will feel, clicking will also be more painful, you won‘t be able to sleep etc. I saw one guy was going and he refused stretching. He suffered the most by far. He wanted 10cm but there is no way doing that without stretching, he had to quit shortly before 5cm. I think 4.something.

And for the question how can people do that? I can just tell you it‘s the hardest and most terrible thing about this process I stretch 4h everyday. Never took a day off. It‘s very exhausting and tiring but it‘s the price you have to pay. If you aren‘t willing to do that, stay away from surgery (or femur at least, I heard for tibia it‘s much much easier).

[lessthanavg8300]

lol, my comment wasnt saying ive done it, I was saying intense regular stretching already causes a lot of inflammation and inflexibility/stiffness, so I cant imagine what LL does on top of that.  But honestly after stretching more today I can tell it just takes a long time and hence 4 hours per day.  1 hour of that is prob just warming things up.

Appreciate the input.  I guess ill just see how it goes when it happens.

[Taller90]

You haven’t even done it so, with all due respect, I don‘t get why you speak like you have the experience already? Makes no sense to me. Obviously stretching before is very different to what it will be like once you do it.
Look, the concept is very simple to understand. Think of it this way: your bone gets longer so your muscles need to get longer too, how do you do that? Stretching. If you stretch and the bone stays the same length (eg before surgery) your muscle doesn‘t need to adapt permanently so they go back to their original length after a few hours. This is also why stretching before is more just useful to get into the habit.

You will see once you do it. But for 5 cm man honestly you could go with very little stretching but the less you stretch the worse you will feel, clicking will also be more painful, you won‘t be able to sleep etc. I saw one guy was going and he refused stretching. He suffered the most by far. He wanted 10cm but there is no way doing that without stretching, he had to quit shortly before 5cm. I think 4.something.

And for the question how can people do that? I can just tell you it‘s the hardest and most terrible thing about this process I stretch 4h everyday. Never took a day off. It‘s very exhausting and tiring but it‘s the price you have to pay. If you aren‘t willing to do that, stay away from surgery (or femur at least, I heard for tibia it‘s much much easier).

Fully agree! Honestly, if you bow before surgery are worrying about the amount of stretching than pls dont do the surgery. You need to be fully disciplined for this otherwise you Will get crazy due to the complications, like wide legs, duck ass, lower back pain etc, which come along LL.

Dr. Betz told me in advance: this will not be any funny adventure, holiday or so, it is a bundge of hard disciplined work for months not only weeks… he was totally right

[RealLostSoul]

lol, my comment wasnt saying ive done it, I was saying intense regular stretching already causes a lot of inflammation and inflexibility/stiffness, so I cant imagine what LL does on top of that.  But honestly after stretching more today I can tell it just takes a long time and hence 4 hours per day.  1 hour of that is prob just warming things up.

Appreciate the input.  I guess ill just see how it goes when it happens.

It appeared to me as if you spoke like you already have the experience. My bad then I guess.

No, definitely the opposite; in case of LL stretching will increase your flexibility and MASSIVELY decrease stiffness. In fact no pain pill can decrease stiffness, only stretching can.
And I haven‘t heard about the inflammation. I definitely have no inflammation from stretching and I haven‘t heard of anyone having that problem.

[RealLostSoul]

Fully agree! Honestly, if you bow before surgery are worrying about the amount of stretching than pls dont do the surgery. You need to be fully disciplined for this otherwise you Will get crazy due to the complications, like wide legs, duck ass, lower back pain etc, which come along LL.

Dr. Betz told me in advance: this will not be any funny adventure, holiday or so, it is a bundge of hard disciplined work for months not only weeks… he was totally right

Yes, I can second that 100%. Even if I stretch 3h instead of 4h for one day I immediately feel much worse the next day. This is a test of discipline.
Taller, when you did the surgery, did you also see quite a few people who just disobeyed the Doctors oders and didn‘t stretch or stretched very little and suffered so much? I surely did and it was baffling to me. If someone decides to do this they NEED to do what they are being told man like I can‘t imagine just sitting around and not stretching. I would have quit it at 4-5cm max.

[lessthanavg8300]

Fully agree! Honestly, if you bow before surgery are worrying about the amount of stretching than pls dont do the surgery. You need to be fully disciplined for this otherwise you Will get crazy due to the complications, like wide legs, duck ass, lower back pain etc, which come along LL.

Dr. Betz told me in advance: this will not be any funny adventure, holiday or so, it is a bundge of hard disciplined work for months not only weeks… he was totally right

I get it.  Im working hard on stretching even before the surgery (but currently every other day to allow to heal which might need to change)....thats why Im getting inflammation.  Just was curious if your body fights you after intense stretching.  I can touch my mid shins right now which is probably not ideal considering people go into this being able to touch their toes, so this is my biggest concern that im trying to resolve.

[Taller90]

Yes, I can second that 100%. Even if I stretch 3h instead of 4h for one day I immediately feel much worse the next day. This is a test of discipline.
Taller, when you did the surgery, did you also see quite a few people who just disobeyed the Doctors oders and didn‘t stretch or stretched very little and suffered so much? I surely did and it was baffling to me. If someone decides to do this they NEED to do what they are being told man like I can‘t imagine just sitting around and not stretching. I would have quit it at 4-5cm max.

I had the case that I was the only patient in the Hospital for two weeks. At that time they have done the most surgeries in Freiburg, so that I did had the chance to see another patient.

[Kanye Western]

Why did you need stretch for 4 hours a day? Were you not flexible at all prior to the surgery?

I'm curious, cause 4 hours a day seems alot to me.

You haven’t even done it so, with all due respect, I don‘t get why you speak like you have the experience already? Makes no sense to me. Obviously stretching before is very different to what it will be like once you do it.
Look, the concept is very simple to understand. Think of it this way: your bone gets longer so your muscles need to get longer too, how do you do that? Stretching. If you stretch and the bone stays the same length (eg before surgery) your muscle doesn‘t need to adapt permanently so they go back to their original length after a few hours. This is also why stretching before is more just useful to get into the habit.

You will see once you do it. But for 5 cm man honestly you could go with very little stretching but the less you stretch the worse you will feel, clicking will also be more painful, you won‘t be able to sleep etc. I saw one guy was going and he refused stretching. He suffered the most by far. He wanted 10cm but there is no way doing that without stretching, he had to quit shortly before 5cm. I think 4.something.

And for the question how can people do that? I can just tell you it‘s the hardest and most terrible thing about this process I stretch 4h everyday. Never took a day off. It‘s very exhausting and tiring but it‘s the price you have to pay. If you aren‘t willing to do that, stay away from surgery (or femur at least, I heard for tibia it‘s much much easier).

[lessthanavg8300]

Its pretty standard.  People say 4 hours, 5 hours, whatever.  The take away is you're stretching like the whole day every day.  Ive been stretching all day today.  Stretch, take a 5 min break and look at the laptop, go stretch more, repeat.  I dont think it means you hold a position for literally 4 hours.

[RealLostSoul]

I get it.  Im working hard on stretching even before the surgery (but currently every other day to allow to heal which might need to change)....thats why Im getting inflammation.  Just was curious if your body fights you after intense stretching.  I can touch my mid shins right now which is probably not ideal considering people go into this being able to touch their toes, so this is my biggest concern that im trying to resolve.

I am going to be honest with you. Stretching before LL is close to useless. I would much rather enjoy the free time you have now because you will miss it. No for the body it would be best to stretch the entire day. One guy did 7h/day he had a meticulous recovery.

Why did you need stretch for 4 hours a day? Were you not flexible at all prior to the surgery?

I'm curious, cause 4 hours a day seems alot to me.

This is bs. Has nothing to do with flexibility before surgery. The only thing that changes is when true tightness will hit you. Your muscles have a natural “reserve flexibility” and that lasts until about 3cm length for most people in femur. If you are extremely flexible, like gymnast super flexible. It may last to 4cm.
See no big difference at the end of the day, you need to stretch that much because it‘s the amount of stretching required for the muscles to be able to lengthen up to 0.75mm/day and thus catch up with and adapt to the increased bone length. 1mm/day would require 6h+ of stretching.

I am being honest with you. Pre surgery flexibility is pretty irrelevant. And stretching during the first 3cm is as well, they still will push you into the habit which is good of course. But once the natural muscle flexibility is pushed to it’s limit then it becomes the most important thing by far.
Just because someone is flexible doesn’t mean the muscle is adapted to a 8cm longer femur lol. You need to stretch during the process so it adapts. Its very simple logic.

Its pretty standard.  People say 4 hours, 5 hours, whatever.  The take away is you're stretching like the whole day every day.  Ive been stretching all day today.  Stretch, take a 5 min break and look at the laptop, go stretch more, repeat.  I dont think it means you hold a position for literally 4 hours.

Of course not 4h in the same position lol. But to give you an example. There is five stretches. Each one 3 repetitions per leg so 6 repetitions. Each one holding 2 and a half minutes. So for all five you need approximately 1h15min. Maybe even more sometimes with extra repetitions. Then you do it 3-4 times a day= Approximately 4h +- 30 min. Every day

[RealLostSoul]

I just want to add that 5 or 6 cm is easily achievable with less intense stretching.
I won’t advice or recommend anything, I know each person has their own choice and goal etc but man I am honest, to me I felt no real difference at 5cm. At 6cm a friend didn’t even notice anything different but I slowly did. I think 5-6cm TO ME is a good change on paper but only a minor one in real life.
Perhaps it was due to me wearing flatter shoes and being on crutches as well, I don’t know. But even at home where I am always barefoot it felt not that big of a change tbh

[lessthanavg8300]

Bro going from 5'7+ to 5'9+ is a game changer, it has to be.  I know because I put lifts in and walked around to feel how it would be.  Night and day for me and cured my height issue.  Theres a chance ill go for 6CM, well see.  But right now the plan is 5.  If I go to 6CM Ill be nearly 5'10.  Not ruling this out.

Really appreciate all your input though its very useful including on the stretching.  And yeah Ive heart flexibility beforehand doesnt matter, but I cant help wanting to be prepared just in case.  I want to be more flexible anyway.

[RealLostSoul]

Bro going from 5'7+ to 5'9+ is a game changer, it has to be.  I know because I put lifts in and walked around to feel how it would be.  Night and day for me and cured my height issue.  Theres a chance ill go for 6CM, well see.  But right now the plan is 5.  If I go to 6CM Ill be nearly 5'10.  Not ruling this out.

Really appreciate all your input though its very useful including on the stretching.  And yeah Ive heart flexibility beforehand doesnt matter, but I cant help wanting to be prepared just in case.  I want to be more flexible anyway.

Yes if you already get in the routine if stretching that’s perfect. But if I was you I would actively do a lot of things now that you won’t be able to do for a very very long time, like sports. Going out. Clubbing etc.
I did the same. I planned this as if I was to die and get the maximum out of my time left. Unfortunately some things got in the way and I regret that I couldn’t eg climb even more before LL. Or go to a club even more. The issue was I didn’t tell my few friends that it’s the last time so they didn’t see the “urgency”. Anyways you will definitely miss these things so I would prepare more for that, mentally.

If it’s your dream height then sure man. I am just sharing my experience. I was super into numbers and height measuring all the time and all that but really irl it’s less noticeable than I ever thought it will be.
Thanks for appreciating

[tallerwouldbenice]

5cm is a game changer imo

stretching before helped me. i was the most flexible patient of my batch and didn't have to stretch as much as the others and could easily keep my legs straight

[lessthanavg8300]

5cm is a game changer imo

stretching before helped me. i was the most flexible patient of my batch and didn't have to stretch as much as the others and could easily keep my legs straight

Definitely is.  I can do the 90 degree leg test right now.  So I can put my legs on a wall and have it completely vertical with my butt against the wall.  But I cant touch my toes.  Dont know where that puts me in terms of flexibility.