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[hand_sanitizer]

Hi guys, i appreciate the concern into the well being of potential LL patients. I think u guys should reserve the criticism towards Dr Sringari, at least wait for the outcome of current patients before commenting anything. There's 3 of us who had our frames removed and 2 of us are already starting to walk (with support, of course ) and full weight bearing. Wait for another month or 2 then u guys will have a true idea of Dr Sringari's ability. I am neutral in this matter, i just look at results. So please, be patient.

[Machine]

Hi guys, i appreciate the concern into the well being of potential LL patients. I think u guys should reserve the criticism towards Dr Sringari, at least wait for the outcome of current patients before commenting anything. There's 3 of us who had our frames removed and 2 of us are already starting to walk (with support, of course ) and full weight bearing. Wait for another month or 2 then u guys will have a true idea of Dr Sringari's ability. I am neutral in this matter, i just look at results. So please, be patient.

Its like you putting a brand new local tyre on to your ferrari by a local mechanic at the price of original tyre by a ferrari team . which one do you think is better for long run ..!!
but in real this is far more important then ferrari my friend , its your life . yes !! you will be able to walk but do have any idea what will happen in future ? What if your bone alignment is not straight !! you will have early arthritis which mean knee problem and finally another knee surgery . me and my roommate , our tibia are not straight which means after recovery we will have another surgery to do correction . extra money extra tension .. who wants all that ..!!
why i m wasting my time and energy here is to mainly make people aware of the realty because i have been through this the hard way cause of those basterds .
if they chose a good and knowledgeable doctor regarding LL i wouldn't mind them doing business but they are in so much hurry to grab some $$$$ that they forgot about the well being of a human life .
handling complications and many more reasons are there to do the surgery with a LL specialist doctor like mangal parihar , milind chaudhary etc
Why is it that in USA or anyother western country a knee and joint specialist doesn't do LL ?
don't be naive about the LL program you are into ... look at it rationally ..!!
Its only about money , nothing else ..!!
 

[hand_sanitizer]

I am far from naive and i am looking at it rationally. My experiences here have been adequate in relative to the cost, sure, certain things could be better but hey, i am taller now with relatively minor complications and thats what truly matters. U went to Dr Sarin so u have the right to criticise him but u never even met Dr Sringari, u have no clue what's really going on here. I will not sugar coat it and say everything is great because it isn't but it isn't that bad either. I understand ur concerns but there's always a better way in spreading ur message and in this case, i think it's fair to wait for the results before commenting. 

 
Edited: please keep all discussion relevant to LL in this section.   

[Machine]

hey hand_sanitizer ,

i don't think you understood my quote at all ..!!
Anyway i understand that you are looking for the result but i m sorry to say this that you are not looking at it rationally . In terms of cost  you are satisfied and ofcourse you are happy that you are taller now with minor complications , but the real question is
who is your doctor ?
Do you really know your doctor ?
What is his speciality in real ?
How much successful LL he did so far ?
Can he handle complications ?
How you ended up with your doctor ?
If you connect the Dots you will get the answer .

Any LL doctor/surgeon should be expert in complex trauma , limb deformity correction , limb reconstruction through Ilizarov technique .
Rational outlook of any LL journey/program , First and Most important is the Doctor performing the surgery .

As i said before , Why in 1st world country like USA or any other western country a knee and joint replacement doctor can't perform LL or vice versa ? here are few examples
http://www.limblengtheningdoc.org/
http://www.paleyinstitute.org/
http://www.limblengthening.com/
http://www.hss.edu/limblengthening.asp
http://www.heightlengthening.com/
http://www.llila.com/
http://www.allongement-os-grandir.com/
http://www.leglengtheningclinic.com/
http://www.betzinstitute.com/contact.htm
http://www.lengthening-sldf.com/


but in a 3rd world country like India an orthopedic doctor can perform any surgery as you can see in both their personal website . Are they god or superman .
http://www.drsarin.in/
http://www.drsringari.com/about-dr-sringari.html

If the Doctor is performing LL surgery on the basis of little knowledge or assumptions and you are ok with that then i can't really say anything else then GOOD LUCK with your results .

either way what ever you do just be careful ... that's all we are trying to say .

[just4cm]

Machine u r soooo right. Why everyone wants to become tall over night? We've been short for 20, 30 years and now we want to get 10cm in one month. Investigate, search for a best doctor, ask question, don't hurry and don't trust anyone except u did a research about the surgeon u want... Don't u see LL is becoming money factory and jerks like that Ukrainian butcher or old forum  admin are ruining peoples life because of 5-10 thousand euros?? As Machine said - don't hurry and take your time finding your best option. Don't go to India to those S doctors just because they're cheaper. Later u'll spend more money on solving all the problems caused by those jerks than picking more expensive surgeon at first.

I wrote this reading other stories. Everyone who is just a little bit intelligent won't hurry with LL. I was sure dr. Betz is best option, he's German, he did hundreds of CLL... but all that was written on his official web page and in the mail they sent it. When I read his patients diares I couldn't believe that he charges 50 000eur and he is not capable to do it right without complications?? Come on?! He wants money I need to earn in 5-7 years and also he wants to phuck up my legs... Guys just be carefuLL.

[Muse]

This is from a person who had consultation with Dr Sringari,  so I am quoting the following opinion/observations.

" . I believe its good for perspective patients to know.  During the consultation I tested Dr Sringari by asking him questions that I knew the answers to, and spoke to him in high medical language.

For example, I asked him, "the fibula in the lateral distal region is angulating outwards because it was locked with a regular steel wire and not with a ball barring steel wire. The distal segment of the fibula could have been locked with a screw laterally within 10 days of surgery before fibrous callus formation / matrix formation begins, ...is there a way to correct this Angulation at this stage without disturbing the callus formation and possibly causing a non-union?

---- Dr. Sringari always, during the whole consultation, kept looking confused and saying "uhhhhh" AND worst yet, some of his answers were not correct or at least seems like it was pulled out of no where.

Regarding the fibula example,  he told me He could simple go and "file down the bone" that is pertruding out until it "looks and feels straight...."

Wrong answer. I spoke to some American Doctors and another India Doctor who specializes in LL and they all said the same thing: the proper treatment is to put a miniature Fixator device on the distal and medial section of the fibula, make another osteotamy (if needed) and slowly distract / push it back into alignment (just like how to distract in lengthening).

Dr. Sringari, the whole time I was explaining this to him, had a confused, "what the hell is he taking about?" expression... 

His next answer regarding X-Legs was even more ridiculous

He mentioned that everyone naturally has X-legs, and that lengthening makes it worst...he drew a person's legs, and it was X shaped at the knees. He drew that lengthening makes the X longer...which is all 100% not true. ask any reputable doctors and they would tell you otherwise....your legs have a precise anatomical alignment and Q-Angle at the knees which leads to it being naturally "Straight" so you walk with pressure even distributed...
 
He said the way he can correct X-Legs is...you ready?...to file down / sandpaper the X-Bone until they appear straighter....wtf? The bone is not a solid piece of calcified tissue...that's only the surface...the underneath is soft, hollow bone marrow...and he said he would try to "sculpt it by filing/sandpapering down bone" to make it straight.

I sincerely hope his is not how he does all his other leg correction procedures.

But here's the part that worried me the most:  He said, "don't worry, you worry too much...just don't think about all this and go relax."

This was the classic signs from people who don't know what they are doing, or are trying to avoid the problem.

Dr. Sringari is patient and gives you more time during your consultation... But if you want to test his credibility, ask him complex questions that you know the answers to, and see how he responds. .
 
I'm not saying Dr. Sringari is a bad doctor. I'm saying, that through my consultation experience with him, that his level of knowledge and experience when it comes to complex issues in LL and Ilizarov Frames is lacking...quite a bit."
 

[Polycrates.]

Beautiful. Absolutely spectacular. fk my life. All I can do is pray that I can get treatment back home for complications I'm sure are all but certain.

[Muse]

This is feedback from a patient of Dr Sringari, I am quoting the following message.

"Most problems and inefficiencies in the guest house revolved around the prevarication of Sunny in an attempt to keep hidden the identity of Crazy+6 (the Guesthouse Manager). If we had direct access to the person in charge of our money and the operation so many issues would never have arisen. 

I can't say much regarding the doctor's capability as a doctor because it's too soon to judge anyone's recovery by a suitable metric over a decent period of time.  I will say that myself as well as most others have found the doctor to range in his responses to questions from questionable to outright absurd and clearly wrong.

Russianblues recently visited his GP in Australia and she told him without a doubt that he has x-legs after examining his posture in a mirror. She said this could either be due to muscle weakness or a crooked bone.  When he asked Sringari at the guest house, the doctor just shook it off without actually attempting any examination. The doctor's response to the patient's question you recently posted about x-legs leaves me wondering if he actually knows what x-legs are.....  "

[KiloKAHN]

Who would have thought that Sringari's first patient would also be the manager of the guest house?   

[GROWtalORdieTRYING1]

sringari tried to BULL   ME!!!

he tried to say that they don't offer the option to get surgery without paying for the full guest house package which is fking bull  , hes a surgeon not a god dam hotel salesman. I pay him for surgery not indentured servitude for accommodation at triple to 5 times the cost for accommodation and food especially in the substandard conditions they are in.

he refused to give me a price for single surgery. stating they only offer the guest house package deal since January.

I will start from the beginning. I first wrote to sringari to determine how much It would cost to get surgery. I want to do femur and tibia, but I was thinking about the option of getting arm lengthening as I have the funds.

so I asked if it came to that would I get a discount if I payed for 3 surgeries up front.

he quoted me for (surgery and no accommodation as I requested) 25000$ for 2 surgeries and a further 8200$ for the final surgery if I ended up getting that.

now fking forgive my anger but I thought that the price if I pay separately was 10500$ how the fk do I end up paying multiple surgeries and then get fked over into paying more than the original price. some discount!

after realising the bull   and that he sees me as a piggy bank I demanded at first very nicely by simply asking for the price to pay for each surgery separately as I would not be paying for multiple surgeries at the same time. (I did not say it was because he was attempting to be deceitful) I did not give a reason.

he said to me he does not offer surgery without guest house package since January...... yet 1 day before this he offered me a price for 3 surgeries with no guest house package.

the truth is he realised that if he gives me a quote for a single surgery his bull   lies on the price will become very apparent.

I told him I know the price is 10500$ and now hes trying to tell me than in 60 days since that quote on the forumn the price is for me now 25000usd for 2 surgeries and they both have to be payed for at the same time for the discount and refused to give me a price for single surgery, and lied to me stating that if I want surgery through him I MUST purchase the guest house package.

well i will find another doctor who doesn't try to rip me off and force me to use a guest house that apparently is a   sty! how DARE A DOCTOR TRY TO TELL ME THAT HE WONT AGREE TO SURGERY IF I DONT LET HIM CHARGE ME 5 TIMES FOR accommodation and food than if i went else where.

a 5 star apartment with the very best service 24 hour security, staff, gym, bank, 10 stories up, clean purified water, and only the very best organic food for 9 months would only cost me 5K yet he expects me to pay him 15k (15k extra on top of surgery for guest house for 9 months) for non organic crap hole where they don't care about their patients or even give a fk about properly maintaining the site where apparently the bathroom smells like 6 gys Indian piss. lol

besides now i know he is a substandard doctor i would not trust him to do these surgeries on me. i will find another doctor.

[GROWtalORdieTRYING1]

think about it

 5,000 dollars to live like a king 10 stories up for 9 months, with the very best organic food,

 or 15,000 dollars for crap food and crap apartment for 9 months.

sounds like bull   to me.

[GROWtalORdieTRYING1]

I just got this rubbish from sringari after not talking to him for months.

Dear XXXXXXXXX,

 

We have just received email from an existing patient stating that we have done some fraud against a potential patient who wanted 3 surgeries.

You are the only one who is talking with us on three surgeries. How do you think we have done fraud?

 

We have offered you 1300000 INR for 2 surgeries which is equivalent to 20967 $ approx. I.e. 20967/2 = 10483 $

One surgery is costing you 10483$. We don’t see any fraud in it? I think there is some communication gap and calculation mistake.

 

Please refer to email dated February 12th 2014. Check below:-

 

From: info@drsringari.com
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: RE: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:30:50 +0530

We never quoted anyone 10500$ from last 4 months. We don’t give surgery cost now, It’s a package price from long time.

 

I am not sure how you calculated but 2000000 INR and 1300000 INR is equivalent to same amount you are calculating.

In fact It would be little less because 1$ =62.03 INR today

 

 

We still apologize for miscommunication if you felt any. We hope you take this email in good spirit and don’t keep any malice against us.

 

Good luck for your surgery.

 

[GROWtalORdieTRYING1]

I sent this as a reply.

"We are going to offer you 2000000 INR for 3 surgeries and 1500000 INR for 2 surgeries"



that is your email and your quote.  don't lie about the prices to me on the 13/3/2014, you never offered me 1,300,000 INR that is a lie.





"We never quoted anyone 10500$ from last 4 months. We don’t give surgery cost now, It’s a package price from long time."



that is called indentured servitude. you can not force people into a monopoly on prices in sub standard conditions when you clearly don't care about the people living in the guest house.



1,500,000 IRN = 24,504$ usd. somehow your calculations are 4 fking thousand dollars off. this email you just sent me is in fact a lie in itself. you lowered the price for this email so as you could act innocent when you show it to others.

[Polycrates.]

$15,000 JUST for the surgery!? That's ridiculous for an Indian doctor. With Dr Sringari you get surgery AND housing and food and all that for just $14,000. Much better value for your money. Why would you pay twice as much for the same service? Doesn't make sense.

Settle down, Crazy

[KiloKAHN]

$15,000 JUST for the surgery!? That's ridiculous for an Indian doctor. With Dr Sringari you get surgery AND housing and food and all that for just $14,000. Much better value for your money. Why would you pay twice as much for the same service? Doesn't make sense.

How much money are you really saving if you go to an Ilizarov novice that screws your legs up when you have to return home to find a doctor that will try getting you back to normal? For such an invasive surgery you want a doctor with very good credentials, and Dr Parihar has those credentials and is probably the most actively involved doctor in the Ilizarov sub-specialty located in India.

[ChrisIsaak]

orlandoflorida is absolutely right. With something like LL, the first thing you should be concerned about is your own health and not the cost. You might think you're paying less, but if the less costly doctor screws everything up you might end up paying more for recovery. The best thing to do is to meet at least a few doctors before making the right decision for yourself. Meet Dr.Sringari, then meet Dr.Parihar, meet other Indian doctors, make an assessment on who appears to be the most trustworthy person (not only as a surgeon, but as a person altogether).

[Gichelu]

There are multiple patients who get perfect results under Doctor Sringari. You can see all his testimonials here  

The point is still that why would you pay twice the cost for Parihar with same result under Sringari?

Perfect results my a$$. Why don't we put Russiablue's testimonial on there with picture of the screw popping out of his leg? If I could afford Parihar also then I would do it with him over Sringari. At least he doesn't lie about being  limb lengthening specialist like Sringari does.

[Ohaimark]

Perfect results my a$$. Why don't we put Russiablue's testimonial on there with picture of the screw popping out of his leg? If I could afford Parihar also then I would do it with him over Sringari. At least he doesn't lie about being  limb lengthening specialist like Sringari does.

You are quick to blame the doctor. How do you know it was not Russiablues fault?

[BilateralDamage]

You are quick to blame the doctor. How do you know it was not Russiablues fault?

5 posts so far, all defending and promoting Dr. Sringari.  Hmmm, I wonder? 

[Gichelu]

You are quick to blame the doctor. How do you know it was not Russiablues fault?

Okay genius you tell me what a patient could do that would make a screw pop out of his leg that bad all infected like that? Something like that looks more like surgery mistake to me.

[Carter]

Ohaimark is probably somebody working for Dr Sringari   (Harry, Sunny or Crazy6).   My gut instinct says it's Harry the Physio because he's known to monitor this forum.  Recently Polycrates was reprimanded by Harry for posting critical remarks about Dr Sringari in his diary.   

So don't bother arguing with Ohaimark, just take his words with a massive pinch of salt. .  They must be getting desperate to lure more people because they had to shut down the guesthouse due to lack of patients.

[Ohaimark]

Okay genius you tell me what a patient could do that would make a screw pop out of his leg that bad all infected like that? Something like that looks more like surgery mistake to me.

I don't know specifics but to say patient is entirely blameless is not true. How do you know patient didn't weight bear to early and fall? That could cause screw to go loose and fall out like that. You can't blame doctor without specifics of the case. If Dr Sringari was such a bad doctor as you say why do most all patients have good things to say about him?

[Muse]

Moved the posts about Dr Sringari here from the Dr Parihar thread to keep the discussion organized. 

I'm keeping Ohaimark on moderation as there are doubts about his intention and the information he is posting.  If all of his post is only to promote Dr Sringari as the best, then he came to the wrong place as we do not welcome shills who come here to endlessly advertise the same message over and over

Update April 18th

It seem this person is now resorting to creating another account under the nick "CocaCola" to promote the Doctor and made another post with the same message of  "Call Dr Sringari.". 

All I can say about this is let people make up their own mind about which Doctor to choose.     The doctor information is listed here already, people will choose him or not depending on their own selection process.   Anyone who is thinking of doing surgery should contact the Paras Hospital and meet the Doctor in person, that's it.   We are not going to get involved with internal conflicts of their own staff members.

Trying to spam the forum with the same message of "Call Dr Sringari now"  is both pointless and unethical.   

[Carter]

The point is still that why would you pay twice the cost for Parihar with same result under Sringari?

The point is Dr Parihar is NOT twice the cost of Sringari.  Where do you get those numbers from?

If we use price as an indication, then Dr Naveen Talwar does LON/LATN for 7000 USD and is half the price of Dr Sringari.   

The typical stay period in India is 5 months for people doing LON/LATN.  All figures in USD

Dr Parihar = 14.9k for Surgery, *4k for five month accommodation = 18.9k
Dr Sringari = 14k for Surgery and three month Accommodation package. Extra 2.5k for additional two month accommodation = 16.5k
Dr Talwar = 7k for Surgery and **1.2K for five month accommodation =  8.2k

*Travellers Inn Hostel in Mumbai cost $800 per month for accommodation. 
** Hotel Payal in New Delhi cost $258 per month for accomodation

[hand_sanitizer]

I'm a former patient of Dr Sringari and my surgery was relatively successful. It's a hit or miss kinda thing i suppose, but i would go back to Sringari again if he offers femurs.
PS: Polycrates is a fking racist. No doubt bout that.

[Dash]

Now he is not doing LL surgeries.

[Dash]

 www.heightincreasesolution.com.
 is quite better option who is thinking about Ll  in india.