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[CrispinGloverFan12]

Hi guys. I'm a 17 year old, 5'4 male (also diffuse thinning but that doesnt matter, just to show you the WEIGHT of my pains). My mom is 5'0 and my father is 5'1. I live in the United States and I'm of Portuguese descent, specifically of the Northern region of Montalegre, Tras-os-Montes. My height is a hindrance to my dating life, I have never had a girlfriend, nor a kiss, nor a lover. Not even larger, dare I say fat girls are into me (I would never mind long as they had proper hygeine). My diffuse balding only makes it worse. The only thing I have going for me is I have blue eyes which only are noticed by few people, as most people here are ethnic from Latin America or the Carribean, which I love them so.

Enough of my life story, that was just to introduce myself. I'm wondering if anyone here has gotten procedures that grow your tibia and femur by 6+ inches or more. I want to know the weight of the problems, what surgeons are willing to do this, the recovery phase, and in detail the PAIN of it, and if you are even able to walk again.

If I somehow became 6'1-6'2 with lifts at around my 20's, my hair loss would be mitigated greatly. Just saying.

[SirStretchAlot]

1) 15cm is achievable in 2 surgeries. The all-in cost is well over 100k USD even in a cheaper location like Greece.

2) Hair transplant can mitigate your hair loss problems. However, if you're balding at 17, this may be a very severe problem going forward.

Given your age, I would consider saving up or asking for your parents' support first. It's a waste of time otherwise.

[CrispinGloverFan12]

Thanks for your reply. Regarding my hair loss, it has been happening since age 14. It's diffuse thinning, not something like alopecia areta or a receding hairline. I have to go to a dermatologist to tackle this first.

Secondly, are there any legitimate, proven posts on this forum from people that have gotten those surgeries?

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

Dude srsly?15cm+ is achievable in 2 procedures?

If you are really taking your safety problems srsly,you won't choose to go beyond 11-12cm and your callus growth durations will be long and long AF and your rehabilitations will be very hard to accomplish.

All reputable surgeons won't recommend anything beyond 12cm and few people have done 15cm lengthening.

[Highest]

Dude srsly?15cm+ is achievable in 2 procedures?

If you are really taking your safety problems srsly,you won't choose to go beyond 11-12cm and your callus growth durations will be long and long AF and your rehabilitations will be very hard to accomplish.

All reputable surgeons won't recommend anything beyond 12cm and few people have done 15cm lengthening.

This is correct. OP also has to consider how weird he will look compared to natural 6 foot tall guys. A guy who is 5'4 with 15cm lengthening on legs alone will look comical. 10cm most people can carry off OK.

[Exxon]

Hi guys. I'm a 17 year old, 5'4 male (also diffuse thinning but that doesnt matter, just to show you the WEIGHT of my pains). My mom is 5'0 and my father is 5'1. I live in the United States and I'm of Portuguese descent, specifically of the Northern region of Montalegre, Tras-os-Montes. My height is a hindrance to my dating life, I have never had a girlfriend, nor a kiss, nor a lover. Not even larger, dare I say fat girls are into me (I would never mind long as they had proper hygeine). My diffuse balding only makes it worse. The only thing I have going for me is I have blue eyes which only are noticed by few people, as most people here are ethnic from Latin America or the Carribean, which I love them so.

Enough of my life story, that was just to introduce myself. I'm wondering if anyone here has gotten procedures that grow your tibia and femur by 6+ inches or more. I want to know the weight of the problems, what surgeons are willing to do this, the recovery phase, and in detail the PAIN of it, and if you are even able to walk again.

If I somehow became 6'1-6'2 with lifts at around my 20's, my hair loss would be mitigated greatly. Just saying.

If you care about dating, lengthening to 5'7 is reasonable, can get plenty of dates with that. It only requires 1 surgery. You're already 3 inches taller than your father which is pretty good. If you want to lengthen 15cm, it will cost around 150,000 USD and you have to break both tibia and femur but keep in mind not everyone can handle that much lengthening and recovery. You need lots of time, money and dedication for 15cm as well as a bit of luck because not everyone's body can handle a 15cm lengthening. Good luck.

[Exxon]

This is correct. OP also has to consider how weird he will look compared to natural 6 foot tall guys. A guy who is 5'4 with 15cm lengthening on legs alone will look comical. 10cm most people can carry off OK.

It will have the "midget on stilts" type of look. Unless OP has like a 5'7-5'8 wingspan already it will defs look a bit off.

[DonBones]

Hi guys. I'm a 17 year old, 5'4 male (also diffuse thinning but that doesnt matter, just to show you the WEIGHT of my pains). My mom is 5'0 and my father is 5'1. I live in the United States and I'm of Portuguese descent, specifically of the Northern region of Montalegre, Tras-os-Montes. My height is a hindrance to my dating life, I have never had a girlfriend, nor a kiss, nor a lover. Not even larger, dare I say fat girls are into me (I would never mind long as they had proper hygeine). My diffuse balding only makes it worse. The only thing I have going for me is I have blue eyes which only are noticed by few people, as most people here are ethnic from Latin America or the Carribean, which I love them so.

Enough of my life story, that was just to introduce myself. I'm wondering if anyone here has gotten procedures that grow your tibia and femur by 6+ inches or more. I want to know the weight of the problems, what surgeons are willing to do this, the recovery phase, and in detail the PAIN of it, and if you are even able to walk again.

If I somehow became 6'1-6'2 with lifts at around my 20's, my hair loss would be mitigated greatly. Just saying.

Yeah it's possible. While I was in Germany I heard many stories of people getting 15cm and more. I even met a guy who did 14cm, 6cm in the tibs and 8cm in the fems.

Assuming you will do 7 + 8 or 6 + 9, the challenges with going to 15cm are quite significant. It is very expensive of course, but you will have to fight the battle royale to go almost the full distance in both tibia and femur. Saying that this is extremely difficult is an understatement and so is that there are major risks involved.

After you will be done, if you get there, there will be two problems. Firstly, the recovery will take you a lot of time. You are young and you should get back to a good level of function, but it will take time. Secondly, your proportions will inevitably be out of whack. If you do 15cm then we're not talking about wingspan or T/F ratio or anything like that. At that point your entire torso and your head will be too small. How I know that? The 14cm guy I met. He is now having a femur shortening done because of this problem.

Honestly, if you're planning on lifts anyway, then lengthen 3 inches / 7.5cm in the femurs and then add an inch or two via high shoes / lifts. 5'9" won't make you the happiest person on earth but it will get you laid alright.

[Highest]

Yeah it's possible. While I was in Germany I heard many stories of people getting 15cm and more. I even met a guy who did 14cm, 6cm in the tibs and 8cm in the fems.

Assuming you will do 7 + 8 or 6 + 9, the challenges with going to 15cm are quite significant. It is very expensive of course, but you will have to fight the battle royale to go almost the full distance in both tibia and femur. Saying that this is extremely difficult is an understatement and so is that there are major risks involved.

After you will be done, if you get there, there will be two problems. Firstly, the recovery will take you a lot of time. You are young and you should get back to a good level of function, but it will take time. Secondly, your proportions will inevitably be out of whack. If you do 15cm then we're not talking about wingspan or T/F ratio or anything like that. At that point your entire torso and your head will be too small. How I know that? The 14cm guy I met. He is now having a femur shortening done because of this problem.

Honestly, if you're planning on lifts anyway, then lengthen 3 inches / 7.5cm in the femurs and then add an inch or two via high shoes / lifts. 5'9" won't make you the happiest person on earth but it will get you laid alright.

How much is the femur shortening patient shortening by? There was another Betz patient on here a while ago who did a shortening procedure after lengthening 10 or 11cm but I believe it's quite risky.

[eric.cartman]

I have met three patients in Athens who did both femurs and tibias simultaneously - all of them were using stryde. The max I've seen one of them do is 12cm.

15cm is technically possible but you probably need to be tough as nails to pull it off, especially with mechanical nails.

[CrispinGloverFan12]

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[ReadRothbard]

It's possible and has been done. I recall Dr. Paley once saying that about 25% of his patients get both tibia and femur surgeries. However, 15 cm is going to be close to the maximum that most people will do safely, so you're going to have a harder time finding people who've done it. That being said, Dr. Shah Mahboubian has a couple of people on the testimonials section of his site who did 5-6 inches, so you can take a look there.

[SuchLL]

15 cm is achievable but not common with only 2 surgeries (1 for femurs and 1 for tibias). Most likely you will need to rebreak once.

[canterk]

Are you certain you are done growing? You are 17, you still have some years to grow. Maybe if you can get to 5'6 naturally you wouldnt have to do 2 surgeries to get a desirable height. If you are stuck at 5'4 I would say do 4-5 inches only of lengthening. Be on the safe side. Better to be 5'8 than try to be 6'0 and end up either looking like slender man if you have short wingspan, or worse crippled for life.

[Sambollio]

15 cm is achievable but not common with only 2 surgeries (1 for femurs and 1 for tibias). Most likely you will need to rebreak once.

This. The unfortunate irony of LL is that the shorter you are, the less length you can achieve “safely”. I don’t think you can achieve this length without a rebreak.

[ReadRothbard]

This is correct. OP also has to consider how weird he will look compared to natural 6 foot tall guys. A guy who is 5'4 with 15cm lengthening on legs alone will look comical. 10cm most people can carry off OK.

I honestly don't buy into proportions theory. If you look up Apotheosis' real Instagram, he doesn't look particularly out of the ordinary--and he lengthened 8 inches. No, there's reasons not to lengthen beyond 15 cm (or more precisely, 20% of your leg length), but this isn't one of them.

[Highest]

I honestly don't buy into proportions theory. If you look up Apotheosis' real Instagram, he doesn't look particularly out of the ordinary--and he lengthened 8 inches. No, there's reasons not to lengthen beyond 15 cm (or more precisely, 20% of your leg length), but this isn't one of them.

Lol I assume you're referring to the same Apotheosis that did arm lengthening surgery to even out his proportions?

[ReadRothbard]

Lol I assume you're referring to the same Apotheosis that did arm lengthening surgery to even out his proportions?

Yes, but I assumed you were referring to leg-to-torso ratio or limb diameters—not wingspan.

[Sambollio]

I honestly don't buy into proportions theory. If you look up Apotheosis' real Instagram, he doesn't look particularly out of the ordinary--and he lengthened 8 inches. No, there's reasons not to lengthen beyond 15 cm (or more precisely, 20% of your leg length), but this isn't one of them.

I totally agree, I think people on this forum don’t recognize their own bias. Most of us are obsessed with height, to some degree at least. And with the benefit of hindsight and specifically looking for proportions, it seems obvious to us that someone’s proportions are off. However going out in real life and just looking at people around you, proportions vary wildly. Of course at some point proportions will matter but that point is wayyyyy higher than having an extra 8cm on femur for example.

[ReadRothbard]

I totally agree, I think people on this forum don’t recognize their own bias. Most of us are obsessed with height, to some degree at least. And with the benefit of hindsight and specifically looking for proportions, it seems obvious to us that someone’s proportions are off. However going out in real life and just looking at people around you, proportions vary wildly. Of course at some point proportions will matter but that point is wayyyyy higher than having an extra 8cm on femur for example.

Exactly, I agree completely. Theoretically, I think lengthening more than 5-6 inches will negatively-affect proportions--but nobody should be lengthening more than that, anyways, unless you're suffering from achondroplasia.

[ReadRothbard]

Also, on the issue of lengthening past 6 inches, I really don't think it'll be necessary. Getting to 5'10 should be more than enough for you, and you can wear lifts if your height still really bothers you then.

[CrispinGloverFan12]

Well ill be dammned gentlemen, I havent been to the doctor to check height in a year and i end up growing to 168cm or 5'6 and a quarter. Means I can lenghten less and get to 6 foot!

[ReadRothbard]

Then, yeah, I’d say you conceivably get to 5’11-6’0.

[CrispinGloverFan12]

That's amazing to hear. Maybe I can even grow to 170 or above. Honestly, I see any growth as success as to lengthen as little as possible.

[ReadRothbard]

That's amazing to hear. Maybe I can even grow to 170 or above. Honestly, I see any growth as success as to lengthen as little as possible.

I would also suggest trying glucosamine sulfate to squeeze out an extra 2-3 cm. I've heard hopeful things about it from some pretty reliable sources.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

Very very uncommon but this is a lengthening amount that I'm aiming for cuz I'm too short. Most of the lengthening amounts of quadrilateral diaries range from 10cm to 13cm and the maximum amount that I've heard so far is one girl named BoBo who moved to the U.S and did LL under the hands of Dr.Paley, and ended up 16cm growth at last.