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How to avoid pin site infections during consolidation?
« on: November 29, 2021, 06:04:53 PM »

If You do external tibia and go home after lengthening how do You avoid infections at Home?
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Re: How to avoid pin site infections during consolidation?
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2021, 06:41:32 PM »

Don't shower.  You'll wash stuff into the cracks in the scabs.
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Re: How to avoid pin site infections during consolidation?
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2021, 09:10:30 PM »

Not showering at all may be tried specially if you have proper hospital type body hygiene (wet sponge cleaning, which you CANNOT do alone).
But not showering is not generally indicated by doctors or nurses and seems too radical, it is of doubtful efficiency, and can become dangerous, since the pin sits tend to accumulate continuously (even with individual, local cleaning only):
1) Invisible dirt (like dust attracted by sweat),
2) Infectious agents natural in the skin but problematic if entering inside, like several species of Streptococcus,
3) Feeding sources for those bacteria (natural fats, tiny invisible "slices" of skin constantly dying, peeling off and renewing).

Altough taking shower has its risks (a stream of a multitude of substances dissolved in water surrounds the pin site and some may be retained), it is preferable to keep general higyene of the entire body (we are talking about around 5/6/7 months just for 5 cm, depending on several factors). If your body is kept naturally cleaned  there are already less chances of infection because there is less dirt and furthermore most of that "dirt" will be washed out by a permanent stream of water with or without soap dissolved. Finish shower by letting water fall abundantly from the skin immediately above, a "cleaning stream " that you can "improve" by previously putting some proper desinfectant solid or liquid soap in the leg skin above the pin sites, to slide downwards the legs. Do not point directly the shower towards the pins, without first asking your doctor, according to the state of pin insertion, if you should do that. DON'T use HOT water in this last part of shower,  that would dylate the invisible space between pins and points of insertion, opening a short period of possible penetration of infectious agents. Cold water furthermore stimulates deep blood supply, which is allways good to "feed" new tissues growing.

But FUNDAMENTALLY, after the shower, tottaly DRY very well the pin sites with a clean towel, preferablely washed at 90 degrees Celsius in the machine or realy disinfected and don't use it in any other part of the body. Ideally, use disposable disinfected "towels". You can also use an hair dryer but with air regulated to room temperature!

Then, disinfect patiently,  carefully,  around all pin sites with steryle gaze/plasters embedded in Betadine  (or other desinfectant like alcool 70%, hydrogen peroxid, clorohexidin, mercurocrome or any other but ONLY if instructed to do so). Use this time to OBSERVE any early signs of infection (ask what signs are those and search pictures in this forum and the internet). If you see those signs,  contact immediately the doctor for inspection of site and to choose the more convenient antibiotic (if he is not available don't wait to get other medical support to deal with a possible infection).

Optionally, let spongy Betadine adhesive plasters stay around each pin  (sometimes there are bandages to use contiguously in 2 pins), in-between cleaning sessions, but let your skin "breathe " sometimes. Observe and ask how to do it yourself when you have opportunity, for example, watching the first cleaning after surgery. If you have problems with this procedure for any reason try to have help or the work done by a nurse, or paramedic, or any educated person closer to you.

Follow all medical advice given as if it were the Bible , and also common sense (like avoiding walking in polluted or dusty places, hospital and vaccination sites where people may sneeze more often, etc.).

But NEVER avoid prescribed exercise, specially more or less aided walking,  for  exaggerated fear of infection.

Your doctor should inspect periodically the pin sites, or ask a nurse to do it. If you are far from the surgeon location, arranje support from other medical personnel locally and possibly sending pictures to the surgeon.

Finally don't get anxious each time you do the cleaning. Even if you don't spot an infection at initial stage
allmost all are solved by either local or sistemic antibiotics.
In fact  most probably you will have at least one infection. BE PREPARED . Dont pannick! Sometimes it goes away without even you have time to take antibiotics.

As a last resource, a suplementary surgery also would solve the problem in allmost all remaining cases.
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Re: How to avoid pin site infections during consolidation?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2021, 09:44:59 PM »

If You do external tibia and go home after lengthening how do You avoid infections at Home?
The short answer is: You can't really avoid it. If you don't shower, you'll run into other issues and actually increase the chances of infection.

I've tried all possible solutions for 3 months without much success. Pin site infections will come and go they please unfortuantely. Perhaps other veterans can shed more light on this.
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Re: How to avoid pin site infections during consolidation?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2021, 12:36:45 AM »

I got zero infections in five months.  "Don't mess with them whatsoever" is the best advice I can give.
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Re: How to avoid pin site infections during consolidation?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2021, 03:32:45 AM »

With pure external deep infections are not common at all, but If You get a superficial infection and is not correctly treated it may cause a serious one
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Re: How to avoid pin site infections during consolidation?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2021, 07:05:19 AM »

If it's a question, the answer is "yes", that's why you should take time to observe and spot any early sign of infection.
Thanks to you too.
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Re: How to avoid pin site infections during consolidation?
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2021, 02:07:04 PM »

With pure external deep infections are not common at all, but If You get a superficial infection and is not correctly treated it may cause a serious one

Yeah, once you get an infection it's too late to prevent one and you'd better do something or else.

Some people at the hospital religiously cleared their scabs and put alcohol on the pinsites regularly like the doctors said to.  Others figured out that that wasn't helping and that it was better to leave the scabs on.  I started in the alcohol camp and then switched to the scab philosophy based on advice of senior patients.  I never got an infection either way, and the difference was showering.  People sat on a stool with their legs out, covered their legs with a waterproof tarp, and washed their upper bodies.  I was terrified of falling off that stool so I refused to participate even once, and I credit that for the lack of infections.

Skin covered in its natural oils is a very inhospitable habitat for germs.  They land on it and die because of the pH. The human immune system works, otherwise there wouldn't be any humans.

What I think happened was that steam would condense or splashes of water would get on people's legs and rinse bacteria into the pinsites.
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Re: How to avoid pin site infections during consolidation?
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2021, 05:16:56 PM »

If You do external tibia and go home after lengthening how do You avoid infections at Home?
I had no pinsites infection after 7 months. The first 6 months I cleaned each pinsite with medical fluid alcohol idk what it's called, the last month I did like clean them once every 2 or 3 days. Took shower  everyday sitting on a stool for upper body throughout the whole journey and used wet towel to clean my legs. Although I sweat on my legs by doing exercise alot and never had infection. I attribute this for mostly this to immunity, if you're healthy pre op you probly won't have it
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