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[The Dreamer]

Bodybuilder,the one doesn't exclude the other
Supporting the research with a small ammount of money doesn't exclude the possibility of doing leg lengthening
Leg lengthening is the present,not the future
This is a serious surgery,don't try to to make seem it too easy
If something goes wrong and there are good chances,you are done.Crippled or worse.End of the story
This can happen to anyone of us,no matter of which doctor.If you are unlucky or your body doesn't handle it,you can face serious complications that can ruin your life.
There are too many unpredictable factors.That's why this surgery will never be the future.
You were lucky on your tibias.But keep in mind that you can still be crippled doing your femurs.
Besides doing LL,our only hope is to become a real community and supporting alternatives:donating for a small shiny hope instead of buying a pack of cigarettes
If all had your attitude ,we would be still sleeping in caves

[WannaBeTaller222]

Yes Dreamer !!! love your attitude bro.

[WannaBeTaller222]

Jesus BodyBuilder .... 3 inches ?!?!?! .... that's nuts man ....

[Android]

Agreed with Body Builder. It's good to dream but I'm too old for potential alternatives that may never come. But if you're young you have the luxury to wait a few years to see if something better comes along. Just don't wait too long: to put things into perspective, Harald was asking for donations since 2006, saying that biomedical height increase could hit mass market in 3-5 years. Of course that estimate is if he had funding, but even then it's impossible for something that changes your body so dramatically to get FDA approval in such a short amount of time (prescription drugs on average take over a decade). He's obviously passionate on the subject and I'm not knocking that, just saying that things take a lot longer than we anticipate.

There's an ongoing joke in the hair loss community for instance, that the cure is five years away (and has been for several decades). For the meantime there are hair transplants, but many hold out on the chance of a cure because they're wary of the procedure. Kind of funny when you compare it to CLL, HT is a breeze in comparison. And much like CLL, there have been only a few revolutions but many evolutions of technique which have made the surgeries much more tolerable with much better results (FUT, FUE, improved tools, PRP, ARTAS System, dense packing, mega sessions, etc.).

So if you're young, I'd wait and see if more evolutions like STRYDE comes along. A revolution in CLL, like the latest jump from externals to internals... That you'll have to wait quite a bit longer for.

[myloginacct]

Consumer-grade nuclear fusion energy is also always "a decade away" for quite a few decades now.

[IwannaBeTaller]

50 years is, again, WAY too conservative. Even if we assume the technology isn't available within the next 10 years, advanced computer systems (sophisticated AIs, data mining algorithms, etc) will be here within 20 for sure. These are already used in research and studies in the fields of Neurology and Cancer research. They speed up discoveries of new techniques for treating diseases by an astounding amount.

fk, that would be so awesome. Let's just dream about it for a second...a safe and reliable method to increase everyone's height in less than 50 years time. I would give my left nut for it.

[Body Builder]

Bodybuilder,the one doesn't exclude the other
Supporting the research with a small ammount of money doesn't exclude the possibility of doing leg lengthening
Leg lengthening is the present,not the future
This is a serious surgery,don't try to to make seem it too easy
If something goes wrong and there are good chances,you are done.Crippled or worse.End of the story
This can happen to anyone of us,no matter of which doctor.If you are unlucky or your body doesn't handle it,you can face serious complications that can ruin your life.
There are too many unpredictable factors.That's why this surgery will never be the future.
You were lucky on your tibias.But keep in mind that you can still be crippled doing your femurs.
Besides doing LL,our only hope is to become a real community and supporting alternatives:donating for a small shiny hope instead of buying a pack of cigarettes
If all had your attitude ,we would be still sleeping in caves

No, your example is stupid.
Internal magnetic LL with full weight bearing abilities in not a cave, is something very futuristic.
If you think that being realistic is the same as your example then you are completely delusional.

Support anything you want, for me something like Stryde is enough to become taller. You or extremis could wait for Apocalypse to get taller, who knows it may come sooner than the next 50 years. 

[myloginacct]

This is a common assertion by people who argue against limb lengthening in general (in your case, you're just arguing against potential replacements for distraction osteogenesis). My answer is the same: this is false. The average will not be "8 feet" if an alternative technique for height increase is developed, no matter how easy, non-invasive, cheap or accessible the procedure is.

The reason why is that there's a limit to how large the human form can become without suffering severe biomechanical problems resulting in massive drops in quality of life.

https://futurism.com/videos/watch-how-big-can-a-person-get/

The ceiling for average human height is in fact more or less what it is in the tallest countries (Netherlands, Dinaric Alps, etc) right now: the range from 6'1" to 6'4". People who are 7 feet tall and above (i.e. acromegaly patients and so on) generally suffer from massive orthopedic problems (knees especially) and die very young (<40 years old). That's not a coincidence. The human body isn't designed to get that big.

PERHAPS if the surgery was cheap and effective enough that everyone on earth could get it, all that would happen is everyone would be the same height (or very close to it). Since this would mean the end of height-based discrimination (if everyone's "tall", then no one is), that shouldn't be a problem for any short person.

I also wanted to add to some of extremis' points. This is a discussion that sometimes is brought tongue-in-cheek here.

The fact of the matter is that above average and tall guys never suffered from negative heightism. In fact, many here have heard from their tall friends things like "women don't care about height". They won't be running to get height increase surgery (HIS). They were never negatively affected by it. They won't even understand the thought process for someone who is a bit below average to get something like that. To them, it'll be like when one of our friends gets a nose job out of the blue, when we thought their nose looked just fine.

Likewise, most women aren't looking to get taller. The ones who do generally have modeling and acting aspirations. A minority. There's no need to worry that the main benefits from height gain will be negated by having easier, more accessible methods around.

Worst case scenario is still a great scenario, as extremis pointed out. Every man would be mostly the same size.

[Zeo]

I mean it's nice to fantasize about I guess, but in the very best scenario even if things go even better then planned, this still won't be available while we still have youth left. That is going to be the main reason why this wouldn't get much support from people here. Especially since those here with money are older and don't have the time to wait. I guess you could argue that our children would benefit from it, but if people wanted to change their kids genetics they could just do it directly in fertilization clinics (designer babies). You could literally change the eye color, height and even to whether or not they will be susceptible to alcoholism or certain diseases. That technology is already available and will become more widespread. That technology will eliminate heightism before anything created for adults.

The LL community in general has a number of other unique characteristics that doesn't really lend itself well to this kind of project. People here aren't even willing to research their own LL surgery, what makes you think that they will all come together and try to solve something that they will most likely not benefit from anytime soon.

I'm not being a pessimist I'm just being a "a realist" as many of you are fond of saying.

Not saying you all shouldn't try. I will definitely be watching, hell if you guys raise even 20k , I'll donate 5k myself. I doubt it will get there though

[..]

If by "that dude" you mean Michael from NaturalHeightGrowth, yes, he gave up. Most likely because he's old now (over 40 years). At that age, your life is more than half over and you're not going to attract any women, be better at sports, have higher fighting success, or basically anything useful just by being taller.

Tyler is delusional and doesn't want to give up on LSJL because he "pioneered" the technique and doesn't want to "kill his darling".

However, Dr. Eben Alsberg has ALREADY succeeded in creating artificial epiphyseal cartilage. Dr. Alexander Teplyashin has done so as well, and even implanted the cartilage into lambs (every one of them had longitudinal bone growth as a result of the implants) and a human patient whose finger bone grew after the implant:

http://www.naturalheightgrowth.com/2016/10/26/alexander-teplyashins-research-increases-length-finger-bone/

http://www.kp.ru/daily/26526.3/3544077/

A few days ago we had that thread about a successful bone lipograft procedure where the head doctor in charge of the procedure even said the technique could be applied to short-statured patients to increase their heights by "tens of centimeters".

Bone implant technologies evolve by the month:

https://futurism.com/doctors-can-now-3d-print-bones-on-demand-thanks-to-a-new-hyperelastic-material/

https://futurism.com/man-receives-worlds-first-3d-printed-tibia-replacement/

As well as stem cell technologies allowing for the mass production of induced Pluripotent Stem Cells, the very highest "tier" of stem cell that is capable of transdifferentiation into ANY type of cell - including mesenchymal stem cells, which are the basis for epiphyseal cartilage, muscle cells, connective tissue, and nerve cells:

https://futurism.com/rapidly-manufacture-stem-cells-fda-approved/

https://futurism.com/scientists-grow-first-ever-working-human-muscle-stem-cells/

https://futurism.com/stem-cells-restore-paralyzed-rats/


"50 years" is an absurd timeframe for an effective, superior alternative to CLL. Even 20 years is VERY conservative. The foundation is already there in the form of both Teplyashin and Alsberg's research. All that's needed is to support for them and their research. If the short-statured community comes together to demand a new, superior solution for height increase (like the Androgenic Alopecia community does), we can EASILY have one within a decade.

I wonder how these technologies are doing nowadays.

[Bjoern77]

anything new?

[HumanCyborg]

As others have stated here, there's growing interest in skeletal stem cells, and it seems like stem cell injections might be the future.

You would be able to increase your height by as much as 2.5 cms in one month. The patient would even be able to walk after the injections. Of course, the rate of bone lengthening was from guesses done before any type of clinical testing.

It would take the bones 3 months to regenerate (whatever that means). After the 3 months, the bones would lengthen by 8-10 cms. If we were to take a stab at what it means for the bones to regenerate, we believe that the 3 month time line actually refers to when the porous implant would completely dissolve and the stem cells inside would differentiate into the bone material that is surrounding it.

What happens is that the stem cells are first placed into a type of porous material. In the articular cartilage to create something like a growth plate. What is left is the stem cells, which differentiate into the right type of cells to expand the spacing of the bone.

Alexander Teplyashin was one of the first people to do this on animals successfully, his latest research papers are from 2012. I believe he will be resuming his studies soon enough.

For those in their late teens don't do LL. Wait for stem cell therapy, its probably a decade away or so, but the guys before me posting here are coping (LOL muh 50 years) because they are forced to do this - because they can't wait and will lose physical abilities. I'm 19, so I would rather wait for this, and get this treatment in my late twenties.

source: http://www.naturalheightgrowth.com/2014/03/02/future-stem-cell-technology-will-allow-people-closed-growth-plates-grow-taller/

[Bjoern77]

The only reason LL exists is because Soviet ethics allowed Ilizarov to experiment with their Olympians. I don't see anything like that happening ever again. Maybe the Chinese? Who knows.

Indeed. The Chinese are pragmatists. They will enforce and push for the "Gattaca"-experience.

[Bjoern77]

True however a baldness cure is going to be on the horizon within a few year give or take

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/fashion-beauty/671135/hair-loss-cure-2018-how-to-fix-balding-science

I've read this sh*t back in the 90s. 

[Bjoern77]

But getting off topic here, new technologies. For adults, I imagine just better versions of devices like Precice with advanced drugs to speed along recovery time. Better pain management. For children, we'll have gene editing, or at least better formulations of HGH that cost much less.

Will it be possible to unfuse growth plates in the future? Is there any research in that direction going on?

[Body Builder]

For those in their late teens don't do LL. Wait for stem cell therapy, its probably a decade away or so, but the guys before me posting here are coping (LOL muh 50 years) because they are forced to do this - because they can't wait and will lose physical abilities. I'm 19, so I would rather wait for this, and get this treatment in my late twenties.

source: http://www.naturalheightgrowth.com/2014/03/02/future-stem-cell-technology-will-allow-people-closed-growth-plates-grow-taller/

Thats a joke.
Becoming taller via stem cells and all these bs will happen in much more years than 10.
You can wait till you are 40 to do LL abd even then most probably the best we would have is a better stryde, but it is stupid to suggest other young adults to wait and lose their best years being short for nothing.

Most of LLers regrer only that they haven't done LL at a younger age, nothing else.
Personally I did it at my 23 so I am ok but I wouldn't have been the same person I am today if I have waited 5+ years more.
So some of you eho think that being 18-19 is too young and have many time to do LL, I assure you that you will be 30 before even realizing it and then you'll see that some of your best years have gone for nothing and for no "miracle therapy" that would turn you 6ft with some injections.

Anyway, anyone is responsible for his choices. But as an LLer I can guarantee that life is completely different with a good height so the sooner you get it (of course with a trustworthy and experienced doctor) the better you'll enjoy life.
Waiting 10years and all these are bs.

[Bjoern77]

Considering how important height can be, I'm surprised people don't go to even more drastic/extreme measures for height.

I mean, some people are already paying thousands of euros to inject hazardous substances in the soles of their feet, all for one or two centimeters.

lol what? 

Really?

[Bjoern77]

Thats a joke.
Becoming taller via stem cells and all these bs will happen in much more years than 10.
You can wait till you are 40 to do LL abd even then most probably the best we would have is a better stryde, but it is stupid to suggest other young adults to wait and lose their best years being short for nothing.

Most of LLers regrer only that they haven't done LL at a younger age, nothing else.
Personally I did it at my 23 so I am ok but I wouldn't have been the same person I am today if I have waited 5+ years more.
So some of you eho think that being 18-19 is too young and have many time to do LL, I assure you that you will be 30 before even realizing it and then you'll see that some of your best years have gone for nothing and for no "miracle therapy" that would turn you 6ft with some injections.

Anyway, anyone is responsible for his choices. But as an LLer I can guarantee that life is completely different with a good height so the sooner you get it (of course with a trustworthy and experienced doctor) the better you'll enjoy life.
Waiting 10years and all these are bs.

True.

How tall are you now?

[Bjoern77]

I say we go to these doctors and be their human trials, win win for both parties huh.

good point 

Where can I sign up?

[Bjoern77]

For the next 20-30 years at least nothing will be done to increase height to already grown adult people except from LL.
So stop thinking about all these bs because it is delusional to think that you'll be taller with anything else than LL.
For me, internal full weight bearing magnetic nails are more than enough and I'll be completely ok to get taller with them even if I'll lose some of my athletic abilities (more, because I have already did LL).
So if you really want to get taller stop moaning and waiting for future biomechanic researches that won't come even in 30 years and do LL.
After weight bearing magnetic nails like stryde come to karket then LL will have reached its top and we won't have to expect nothing more except from some better prices.

LL is the present and the future for geting taller, anyone else who waits for something other he will get old still waiting.

Wise words! 

[Bjoern77]

There's an ongoing joke in the hair loss community for instance, that the cure is five years away (and has been for several decades). For the meantime there are hair transplants, but many hold out on the chance of a cure because they're wary of the procedure. Kind of funny when you compare it to CLL, HT is a breeze in comparison. And much like CLL, there have been only a few revolutions but many evolutions of technique which have made the surgeries much more tolerable with much better results (FUT, FUE, improved tools, PRP, ARTAS System, dense packing, mega sessions, etc.).

Indeed. Hair loss cure promises are probably older than humanity 

[RealLostSoul]

Thats a joke.
Becoming taller via stem cells and all these bs will happen in much more years than 10.
You can wait till you are 40 to do LL abd even then most probably the best we would have is a better stryde, but it is stupid to suggest other young adults to wait and lose their best years being short for nothing.

Most of LLers regrer only that they haven't done LL at a younger age, nothing else.
Personally I did it at my 23 so I am ok but I wouldn't have been the same person I am today if I have waited 5+ years more.
So some of you eho think that being 18-19 is too young and have many time to do LL, I assure you that you will be 30 before even realizing it and then you'll see that some of your best years have gone for nothing and for no "miracle therapy" that would turn you 6ft with some injections.

Anyway, anyone is responsible for his choices. But as an LLer I can guarantee that life is completely different with a good height so the sooner you get it (of course with a trustworthy and experienced doctor) the better you'll enjoy life.
Waiting 10years and all these are bs.

Very well said. The advice of waiting if you already have the possibility is terrible. LL is not an easy thing but if you can afford to do it with a good doctor, the reward is high, especially if you have a lot of life ahead of you.

And people in the far future won't take old internet comments and be like "ah good thing they already predicted it".

[Body Builder]

True.

How tall are you now?

I am a solid 1.76 morning height after 7.5cm of tibia LL.

[Bjoern77]

I am a solid 1.76 morning height after 7.5cm of tibia LL.

Nice. You are my height. I would like to reach 180cm, but... yeah... afraid of the costs and procedure.

In Northern Germany average guys are 6 feet.