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[maximize]

For the record, I'm actually not trying to give either of you moms a hard time, at least not personally. I just have a couple of thoughts and feelings around this subject and I was curious what you would have to say.

One thing I find interesting about the height discrimination against men is, like you say, no one advocates for us. If you look at body image in women for example, you will see a thousand tv commercials and media campaigns about "being beautiful just as you are" or "loving yourself for who you are" etc. Even the most ardent social justice warriors who bristle at the thought of any other discrimination generally ignore the issue of how short men are disadvantaged.

For my own part, I agree - as twisted a prospect as it is, it is easier for me to chop my legs up and roll around in a wheelchair for 6 months than it is to change the fundamental nature of women. So that's the route I have chosen to take.

I just wonder what goes on in women's heads when they as a unified body reject shorter men en masse. There is simply no male equivalent to this behaviour so it is difficult to comprehend.

As far as mothers go, my mom is the opposite of both of you moms in this thread. She married a 5'5" guy despite being attractive enough much taller and better looking men have constantly hit on her whenever she's out in public her entire life. They've been together 40 years. So when she says she doesn't think being tall matters that much and tries to talk me out of lengthening (due to fears for my joint health), I can feel she's being completely sincere.

It's interesting to me to see the issue from the other end of the spectrum and watch the height queens heartbroken by the fact that their sons are being damned to a lesser life by the same prejudices they spent their lives propagating and reinforcing.

If you want to interpret that as me attacking you, you can see it that way I suppose. But I dont think I've been attacking either of you in any way and you've agreed that the gist of what I've said so far has been true.

[NewHeights]

For the record, I'm actually not trying to give either of you moms a hard time, at least not personally. I just have a couple of thoughts and feelings around this subject and I was curious what you would have to say.

One thing I find interesting about the height discrimination against men is, like you say, no one advocates for us. If you look at body image in women for example, you will see a thousand tv commercials and media campaigns about "being beautiful just as you are" or "loving yourself for who you are" etc. Even the most ardent social justice warriors who bristle at the thought of any other discrimination generally ignore the issue of how short men are disadvantaged.

For my own part, I agree - as twisted a prospect as it is, it is easier for me to chop my legs up and roll around in a wheelchair for 6 months than it is to change the fundamental nature of women. So that's the route I have chosen to take.

I just wonder what goes on in women's heads when they as a unified body reject shorter men en masse. There is simply no male equivalent to this behaviour so it is difficult to comprehend.

As far as mothers go, my mom is the opposite of both of you moms in this thread. She married a 5'5" guy despite being attractive enough much taller and better looking men have constantly hit on her whenever she's out in public her entire life. They've been together 40 years. So when she says she doesn't think being tall matters that much and tries to talk me out of lengthening (due to fears for my joint health), I can feel she's being completely sincere.

It's interesting to me to see the issue from the other end of the spectrum and watch the height queens heartbroken by the fact that their sons are being damned to a lesser life by the same prejudices they spent their lives propagating and reinforcing.

If you want to interpret that as me attacking you, you can see it that way I suppose. But I dont think I've been attacking either of you in any way and you've agreed that the gist of what I've said so far has been true.

I can tell you. Height is the most important filtering mechanism for male PHYSICAL attractiveness in the eyes of a woman. Line up 20 guys, and the 5' 11" to 6' 2" guys will stand out, while the short guys won't (it's called the "Halo Effect"). But actual dating selection doesn't work like this fortunately.

A short guy who has the courage to approach women will not get rejected because of their height as much as you think. Many women (at least the ones worth anything) judge men like a book. Height is the cover, but personality is the inside.

Also, a woman might date a tall arrogant confident jerk, have a bad experience, and change her perception of men.

[Shortgenes]

Maximize, men create the stereotype as well. Read all the comments about how ppl at work and brothers treat one another. This is not just pushed by women, although it may be the women's opinion that you care more about. As for the woman side, to answer your question, I think most women are attracted to taller men bc they make women feel more feminine- I'm small, your big, you will take care of me kind of mentality. I know that sounds crazy, but it just fits the role of being submissive and this big guy is in control and will take care of me type thing (I sure hope this doesn't spark a feminism outcry.. Not meant to). On the other hand, long legs are nice looking on both men and women and for some women it's just that. So, it either fits the dominance roll that many women are looking for in a man, or they just like tall men. My opinion

[Uppland]

I can tell you. Height is the most important filtering mechanism for male PHYSICAL attractiveness in the eyes of a woman. Line up 20 guys, and the 5' 11" to 6' 2" guys will stand out, while the short guys won't (it's called the "Halo Effect"). But actual dating selection doesn't work like this fortunately.

Is it really that important, what about good looks?