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[Wazzup]

I'm 1 month from 19 and I'm 166 day and 165 night, lets just say I'm 5'5. I intend to do 6-6,5cm femurs in the future and I'm from the country of Europe where people are the shortest (Portugal). On the one hand I'm already 8 cm taller than my father but on the other hand 2cm shorter than my mother and grandmother.

Ever since I can remember I have allways been the 2nd shortest in class When I was 12 years I even got my bone age measured and it was 2 years below my normal age. Due to that and looking younger the doctor, which had asked for this exam, said it was ok and that I didn't needed the hormone. Besides all this my grandmother and mother allways said I was going to be definitely taller than them and at least 5'7. I have allways believed that I was going to be 5'7 and growth until I was 20 years old. I in fact went from from 4'11 when 14y to 5'4 with 17 years old.

In Januray 2014 it was when it all begun... I felt I wasn't getting any taller. Due my father I was able to use a x-ray everytime I want. That beeing the case
I asked if he could help me out... After searching online and comparing the x-ray of my hand to his I found out that my bone age caught my chronological age and that I wasn't goint to get much taller. This was heartbreaking but I couldn't do nothing, so I went from "meh ok I'm short but I am still growing" to "I'm short, I don't like it and I can't change it, so better accept it"

Three months later I found leg lenghtening... This only made things worst! Reading your posts day and night lead me to think that the only think worst than beeing short, was to be short and have cancer. One year passed by and I continue to come here even knowing that in the short term this isn't healthy. I do believe that after I get my leg lenghtening done (4-5years time) it will be perfect. But unfortunately since the day I registered here to the day I get my leg lenghtening done I will never be able to forget about leg lenghtening.

I got myself so obsessed with height, tibia/femur ratio and sitting height ratio that I can't even go out without comparing myself with other people. I even started walking in a strange way but fortunately I discovered timberland boots, I went from a guy that never used boots to a guy that use them all the time. Even when I'm alone at home i need to use them cause I just can't stand beeing shorter than the extra height that they provide when compared to regular shoes (1 inch).

I used to be very confident and even knowing I was short I had no problem in getting girls . Unfortunately, ever since I found out about Leg Lengthening I sometimes even think as myself as someone not worth dating just because of my height. I know this is a strange though to have specially when my father is 4 inches shorter than my mother.

Nowadays, I know that I must avoid thinking about Leg Lenghtening in orther to decrease this negative psychological feelings that increased in January 2014 and got even worst thanks to this forum. It's a shame that I developed this mentality, but now it is when the irony arrives, what helped increase the problem will make it go away forever.

Thank you all, feel free to share yours 

[Wazzup]

I said forever because:

The average men is 5'85 and I never wanted to be tall I just don't want to be short. In my opinion the concept of short is relative to the country you leave in. I would say +2.5 inch below average is short; 2.5-1.5 below is average short; above that is average or tall.

Proportions do matter even know no one pays attention to it:
        -> Doing both tibia and femur would lead to a bad sitting height/height ratio; +time; +expensive
        -> I've already decided that going over 6-6,5cm per segment wont be worth it due to tibia/femur ratio, +recovery time and +chances of short term and long term complications. I really intend not to ruin my biomechanics.

[KiloKAHN]

I think senior year of high school is when I seriously started getting upset about it. I had the second highest bench press on the football team but my coach wouldn't put me in a single play for the whole season because he thought I wasn't tall enough. Then the classmates in my judo and sambo classes laughed at me for a while after the time my coach used me as a demonstration for what to do when someone's legs are too short to put them in a proper leg lock, then later that year having my prom date cancel on me the day before it because she decided she'd look ridiculous if she were taller than me in heels.

Going to a private college in the upper midwest didn't help either.

[Alittletooshort]

I was unhappy with my height since I was a child. I have 3 cousins who are around my age, and I have always been the smallest one. The fact that even the women in my family (besides my mother, who is my height) are taller than me made it even worse. Even today they still call me 'the little one' even though I am almost 180. It gets really bad when we take pictures togehter and I always get told to stay in front because no one would see me otherwise.

None of my friends ever called me short, the fact that all of them are 185+ doesn't help much though. I was the shortest out of 6 guys in my class and the male average was 186 so I felt kinda small.
My neurosis got really bad when I found out that my growth plates are already closed when I was 17. In my case this forum has helped me with my problems, just seeing that there are other people who have issues with their height calmed me down, in a way that I am not alone with this problem.

[NewHeights]

My case is a bit complicated, and there are multiple factors involved. My background is that I was projected to be relatively tall (around 6' or 6' 1") by the doctors. When I was a kid, I had some vitamin deficiencies which MAY have hampered my growth. I didn't think about it at the time, and wish I had, because I might have exercised more, slept more than the 6.5 hrs a night I averaged, and ate healthier. I stopped growing at a very young age, despite my growth plates still being open (this regret about choices I made when I was a kid is small part of my height neurosis, but wouldn't play a part until years later).

The catalyst for my obsession with height was women... about two years ago, I was at a party, when I noticed that many women were eyeing this one guy. They were discussing how "hot" he is, especially because he is "so tall". I looked around at people at the party, and felt very short, as the average height was probably 183CM. I felt inadequate and felt like I was sinking in on myself. I said to myself that since I was not a big and tall guy, my chances of attracting women was much less than I originally thought....I felt tiny, worthless, and unattractive.

A few "incidents" happened in the subsequent months: I overheard women talk about how height is the most important trait in a man, how a guy has to be taller than them, and preferably taller in heels, and how they would probably not consider dating short guys....

Admittedly, I've probably had the misfortune of meeting some of the most superficial female creatures on the planet, but the stings they left are still there.

My thoughts and opinions about height have evolved over those two years, but women were the main catalyst for my height neurosis, and the regrets from my past choices added fuel to the fire.

[endomorphisme]

i used to live in paris where people are tall
Now i moved to the north of france to pursue my studies, but even there i still feel short, the average height is like 185 cm

[Alittletooshort]

i used to live in paris where people are tall
Now i moved to the north of france to pursue my studies, but even there i still feel short, the average height is like 185 cm

Really? Whenever I visited France I got the impression that people are smaller than in germany for instance. There are also statistics proofing that french people are somewhere between italy and germany in terms of height.
www.averageheight.co
I just quickly googeld it, it's the first thing that appears.

[endomorphisme]

Really? Whenever I visited France I got the impression that people are smaller than in germany for instance. There are also statistics proofing that french people are somewhere between italy and germany in terms of height.
www.averageheight.co
I just quickly googeld it, it's the first thing that appears.

I don't trust statistics anymore, most guys i study with are my height or taller, maybe white young men are much taller than the national average

[YellowSpike]

KiloKAHN - man bro, I am really sorry to hear your story. It kinda broke my heart lol. I know another short guy who went through something very similar. He's now 47, and thanks to me, looking into LL.

My height neurosis started when I was 15. I just sorted realized that I was a lot shorter than most guys my age. I started to think "my good looks are really gonna go to waste, height is more important than anything for dating." My dad took me to an endocrinologist when I was that age, and they confirmed my worst fear - I wasn't going to grow much more. This sent me into a huge depression that lasted most of my high school years. In college, I tried to force myself to "get over" it because, well, there was nothing I could do about it (or so I thought). I always knew that my height was affecting my confidence, and that I was losing so many dating opportunities because of it. I tried to compensate in other areas, but could never shake this feeling of inadequacy. I tried to be outgoing, work out a lot, stay and dress thin, occasionally (but not often) wear lifts, etc.

I started to do better with girls as I learned to compensate more and at least fake confidence really well. So that was sorta a "band aid" on the situation. I was using success with women to help me get over it, thinking "well, I'm still occasionally scoring hot girls, so maybe my looks can help compensate for being super short." Then I ended up in a relationship with a really beautiful girl. Things were great for quite a while...until they weren't. I knew it wasn't right ,and I knew she was gonna break my heart. A year before she left me, I re-joined some online sites behind her back to put my feelers out there. Well, once I saw the height requirements, I just decided I'd try to make it work with this girl. That blew up in my face about a year later. My height neurosis then came back big time...that was when I started looking into LL, and it took me about a year and a half to be ready for it.

Thank God I did it

[Alittletooshort]

I don't trust statistics anymore, most guys i study with are my height or taller, maybe white young men are much taller than the national average

I know what you mean, you are probably right that statistics aren't always true. It won't be that wrong though, every statistic claims that french people are smaller. You should definintely be clearly above average in france.

[Outgrown]

Cousin grew taller than me

Going to Korea and seeing all my relatives are at least 5"11

Going to Iran and seeing all my relatives can barely reach 5"5

Brother is 5"11 and abused me when I was younger (He would beat me up and tell me he was stronger than me, taller than me, and smarter than me. It wasn't a good experience)

Iranian Dad kept telling me I am a mini him (He's very stocky and short)

Korean Mom is short but she has the tall genes hidden and told me that I won't grow passed my brother or dad (Which I didn't)

My hands can barely wrap around any standard sports ball

My feet are size 8

Every day I feel very tight in connective areas of the limbs

People always told me "Wow, I didn't think that you were that short" idk why I look huge when I'm by myself, but when they saw my license they began to act differently towards me

Nicknamed shorty by the kids on the playground during elementary school

Preschool children always said I looked scary and dumb (They always hug my brother because they think he's a basketball player or something)

Clothes are always too long (Never fit the average)

Aesthetics (Tiny humerus, Short but thick thighs, Short tibia, big ass, big stomach)

Friends had delayed puberty and grew taller than me (They said they've "outgrown" me, and stopped inviting me to their parties)

High school Girlfriend grew taller than me, broke up with me, and slept with the basketball team (She told them how horrible of a person I was even though I didn't do anything, but she used those and many other excuses for the excess attention. Worst of all, I would see her every day and could do nothing about it)

I'm beginning to drift away from CLL and may use my funds for someone on the forum whom I feel deserves it, because while these events occurred, women still date me, and I moved to a community in which knowledge and personality with a passion is over looks, height, and money.

[Uppland]

@Outgrown Strange how you've faced horrible discrimination and yet my friend, who is about your height, have only experienced slight teasing when he was a kid.

The thing about your brother is disgusting, damn it!

[NewHeights]

Cousin grew taller than me

Going to Korea and seeing all my relatives are at least 5"11

Going to Iran and seeing all my relatives can barely reach 5"5

Brother is 5"11 and abused me when I was younger (He would beat me up and tell me he was stronger than me, taller than me, and smarter than me. It wasn't a good experience)

Iranian Dad kept telling me I am a mini him (He's very stocky and short)

Korean Mom is short but she has the tall genes hidden and told me that I won't grow passed my brother or dad (Which I didn't)

My hands can barely wrap around any standard sports ball

My feet are size 8

Every day I feel very tight in connective areas of the limbs

People always told me "Wow, I didn't think that you were that short" idk why I look huge when I'm by myself, but when they saw my license they began to act differently towards me

Nicknamed shorty by the kids on the playground during elementary school

Preschool children always said I looked scary and dumb (They always hug my brother because they think he's a basketball player or something)

Clothes are always too long (Never fit the average)

Aesthetics (Tiny humerus, Short but thick thighs, Short tibia, big ass, big stomach)

Friends had delayed puberty and grew taller than me (They said they've "outgrown" me, and stopped inviting me to their parties)

High school Girlfriend grew taller than me, broke up with me, and slept with the basketball team (She told them how horrible of a person I was even though I didn't do anything, but she used those and many other excuses for the excess attention. Worst of all, I would see her every day and could do nothing about it)

I'm beginning to drift away from CLL and may use my funds for someone on the forum whom I feel deserves it, because while these events occurred, women still date me, and     I moved to a community in which knowledge and personality with a passion is over looks, height, and money.

Good for you man. True happiness will not come from meeting people who accept you because you are average height or tall (what you are), it comes from meeting people who accept you for who you are.

My mind has slowly started to drift away from height neurosis once my philosophy changed to the above.

And your brother sounds like he has a real malevolent side to him. He must do this because he has his own insecurities.

May I ask which community you moved to?

[hadrian]

As soon as the pediatrician told me my plates were 'basically fused' on the summer before I entered 9th grade. After a lifetime of planning on reaching my father's height, I ended up only an inch taller than my own mother. This was an immense disappointment, after observing in my household that height was so frequently equated with respect and other positive traits. Height was one of the founding pillars that defined the family I grew up in, and I failed in that regard.

Getting towered by the boyfriend's my sister brought home, realizing my mother only dated or married males that dwarfed me in height, and being around a tall friend or two that kept getting complimented for their height by girls... All of this helped to build up anticipation for what I thought I would become, right up until the truth came tumbling down like an avalanche at the Dr's office, burying my stunted runt body in the rubble of height dysphoria.

 I could flesh out the story of my life but that's really the gist of it.

[Deepak Chopra]

I don't trust statistics anymore, most guys i study with are my height or taller, maybe white young men are much taller than the national average

"Oh no I'm such a midget at 183 cm, I need to kill myself because in France I saw two guys who were tall! Statistics lie or else I would be taller than everybody!" 

[NewHeights]

"Oh no I'm such a midget at 183 cm, I need to kill myself because in France I saw two guys who were tall! Statistics lie or else I would be taller than everybody!" 

Endomorphisme, I'd give both my left testicles to be your height.

I'm kidding, but seriously man, you may have to look at you height neurosis from a different lens. You are a great height already, and regardless of what you say, you aren't short.

As bad as I am having height neurosis at 5' 9", you are exponentially worse at 6'.

Just consider some facts:

1. You are taller than 65-75% of men in most countries, even in Europe
2. There is no county in the world where you would be short
3. 5' 11" to 6' 2" is the most attractive height range for men (according to women's preferences)
4. Almost everyone of this forum would give their left testicles to be your height

[endomorphisme]

I have enough money to do all at once with Dror Paley. What I am going to do is Precise in both femurs and tibia for 7.5 cm each and a few weeks later have the Precise put into my humerus for 6.5 cm. That will make me from 173 cm to 188 cm and my wingspan will be 13 cm longer so nobody can tell the difference. This will save a lot of time in the long run and I can get back to work in maybe 8 or 9 months after first surgery. My question is what do you think I should bring for exercises during that time? I was thinking maybe I should bring weights for my arms but I know the Precise can't take too much weight. Do you think 50 lbs weights for arm curls is light enough to not break the device? Also I was thinking I can bring either stationary bike or treadmill for slow walking. Which one do you recommend? Any other supplies or preparation I need for this?

That will make me from 173 cm to 188 cm

endomorphisme: "At 182 cm, I know exactly how this guy feels. Why must society discriminate us? "

"Oh no I'm such a midget at 183 cm, I need to kill myself because in France I saw two guys who were tall! Statistics lie or else I would be taller than everybody!" 

now cry kid, cry, you're just jealous, because actually, reastically, you cannot reach 6'2", while i can 
And i just don't care if you're shorter than me, i'm not the only 6 footer on this forum,other may be more discreet but you must expect to see more and more guys my height, there are also ton of guys who are 5'10 , 5'11", on this forum and on the other one, there are even guys taller than me (like ajax)
Only guys who are 178 cm can realistically reach 188 cm, or atleast 185 cm. if they prefer, but you, you can't
 So many insecure and jealous people on this forum, hum, that's crazy, what's wrong with them, i don't even know them, they don't know who i am , and they re getting angry, crazy and jealous as hell just because an anonymous 6 footer is going to do ll?You know guys, there is a guy who is my height, and is currently doing ll to be 186 cm, i won't give his username, but it just show that 181-184 cm guys who are doing ll is now a reality

Anyway,That's the last time i will adress trolls, or jealous people, keep being angry if you want, now i will ignore you 

[Deepak Chopra]

A guy so insecure at 183 cm that he has to lie that half the country is taller than him and act like he's some short victim is now telling others that they are jealous and insecure. Oh the irony of that.

Nobody is jealous of the 6 foot guys who do leg lengthening because if they are crazy insecure enough to do lengthening at that height then they will still be losers at their new height and other men and women will see that. You won't be cool next to the other tall guys on the court because you'll play basketball like crap after lengthening and you'll be known as the guy who runs like a pencil is between his cheeks.

Actually I am only jealous of the psychologist that gets to evaluate your head when the leg lengthening doctor requires you to talk to them. Just don't kill yourself when they refuse to admit you for surgery and recommend therapy instead.

[NewHeights]

"Oh no I'm such a midget at 183 cm, I need to kill myself because in France I saw two guys who were tall! Statistics lie or else I would be taller than everybody!" 


now cry kid, cry, you're just jealous, because actually, reastically, you cannot reach 6'2", while i can 
And i just don't care if you're shorter than me, i'm not the only 6 footer on this forum,other may be more discreet but you must expect to see more and more guys my height, there are also ton of guys who are 5'10 , 5'11", on this forum and on the other one, there are even guys taller than me (like ajax)
Only guys who are 178 cm can realistically reach 188 cm, or atleast 185 cm. if they prefer, but you, you can't
 So many insecure and jealous people on this forum, hum, that's crazy, what's wrong with them, i don't even know them, they don't know who i am , and they re getting angry, crazy and jealous as hell just because an anonymous 6 footer is going to do ll?You know guys, there is a guy who is my height, and is currently doing ll to be 186 cm, i won't give his username, but it just show that 181-184 cm guys who are doing ll is now a reality

Anyway,That's the last time i will adress trolls, or jealous people, keep being angry if you want, now i will ignore you 

Why so angry friend : )? I was just trying to help you have a more rational thought process regarding your current situation (cause your perception of your height appears to be distorted).

Anyway, you clearly have your mind set, so enjoy being over 6' 2"! : )

[Overdozer]

So many insecure people on this forum

Limb Lengthening Forum

Yea what's up with that... 

[endomorphisme]

Yea what's up with that... 

yeah i meant, jealous people, i was referring to deepak something

I have a question for deepak, please, i would you to answer it cause there is something that i can't get:
so, you are 173 cm and wants to be 188 cm, this is what you said, am i right?

But you also said

How in the world can someone be so insecure at 178 cm that they are willing to throw away 30 - 100 thousand dollars to break their legs and become less athletic than before? I think you guys should see psychologist instead.

so , you a 173 cm guy, who wants to do ll with paley (the most expensive ll doctor on earth) who think that someone who is 178 cm should not be insecure and be considering ll.
Hum, ok, that's make perfect sense, no seriously , your logic is flawed, can you give some explanation please, i would love to hear them

[endomorphisme]

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1647.msg25996#msg25996

 

[endomorphisme]

i'm going to be , but i believe you won't answer.
And to, newheight, you said the average at parties you attend, where i believe most guys are white and in their twenties,  is around 183 cm, so just tell me, how i am supposed to be taller than 70 % of people?Maybe i forgot to mention that i only size up young men , white young men, since i'm 23 yo and white, i never compare myself to elderlies

[Alittletooshort]

A guy so insecure at 183 cm that he has to lie that half the country is taller than him and act like he's some short victim is now telling others that they are jealous and insecure. Oh the irony of that.

Nobody is jealous of the 6 foot guys who do leg lengthening because if they are crazy insecure enough to do lengthening at that height then they will still be losers at their new height and other men and women will see that. You won't be cool next to the other tall guys on the court because you'll play basketball like crap after lengthening and you'll be known as the guy who runs like a pencil is between his cheeks.

Actually I am only jealous of the psychologist that gets to evaluate your head when the leg lengthening doctor requires you to talk to them. Just don't kill yourself when they refuse to admit you for surgery and recommend therapy instead.

Why do you criticize Endomorphisme for his desire to reach 188, while you want the same? 15cm's will probably get you in a shape where you are more or less unable to do sports or jump\run normal again.
He is not short that's for sure, you, on the other hand aren't that short either. I understand your desire to get taller, however I must say, that you behave quit rude There is no reason to be so unfriendly especially because your goal is 15cm's.

[Outgrown]

@NewHeights Venus, Florida, collaborating with the Venus Project.

It's actually pretty sweet, but it may take some time lol

[llx54511]

A guy so insecure at 183 cm that he has to lie that half the country is taller than him and act like he's some short victim is now telling others that they are jealous and insecure. Oh the irony of that.

Nobody is jealous of the 6 foot guys who do leg lengthening because if they are crazy insecure enough to do lengthening at that height then they will still be losers at their new height and other men and women will see that. You won't be cool next to the other tall guys on the court because you'll play basketball like crap after lengthening and you'll be known as the guy who runs like a pencil is between his cheeks.

Actually I am only jealous of the psychologist that gets to evaluate your head when the leg lengthening doctor requires you to talk to them. Just don't kill yourself when they refuse to admit you for surgery and recommend therapy instead.

+1

[endomorphisme]

Deepak  Chopra is Indian , isn't the average height only 165 cm in India and this guy is 173 Cm.
Hahaha this is guy is taller than most men in bis country, and he is giving lesson?

Deepak chopa "I have been bullied all my life because there was only one guy taller than me"