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[YellowSpike]

I was supposed to do LL back in late April, but I got cold feet. Now, I am 100% ready for whatever LL throws at me. I'm already in great physical shape, I've been working out and stretching regularly, and stopped my one-cigarette-a-day habit weeks ago. I also have arrangements set up at work where I can 6 weeks of short-term disability, and then work from home after that. And, I have a caretaker who will be taking care of me. My current date is set for mid-August, but I am hoping I can get it pushed up to mid or late July.

I suppose there is NEVER a good time to put your life entirely on hold for 4 months...but now the problem is my mother's health. She has been battling cancer for many years, and while she's not terminal right now, she will be having a bone marrow transplant right around the time of my surgery. This means she will be in the hospital for 3 weeks to a month.

The pragmatist in me thinks "how can I really help her, it's up to her doctors," "She'll have round the clock top-class care," and "I'll have my caretaker take me on my wheelchair to visit her at the hospital." I'm 30, and I really want to move on with my life and get this horrible process done already. I want to get back into dating and make moves in my career - both of which I have to put on hold for LL, and 30 isn't exactly young in my opinion. My mother also herself said she doesn't want me to not do it because of her, but I feel like she has to say that in a way (I would say it too, if the situation were reversed).

But then I feel like I'm being really selfish. I already know most of my family doesn't agree with LL. And I can live with that. But now I'm concerned they would really resent me for doing it at a time like this. I'm not sure if some of them would be able to get past the timing of everything.

I'm not a selfish person (I don't think I am), and I care deeply about my family. I just don't want to put this off anymore, and at the end of the day, I gotta look out for myself.

Wondering if any of you guys have any thoughts or if you maybe did LL at a not-so-great time and managed to get through it. Thanks!

[Moubgf]

fk that bitch, she made you. AND SHE HAS NO FKCING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS TO BE SHORT. She has lived her whole life getting what she wante you went thru life getting nothing of what you wanted. Fk her and go get LL.

[YellowSpike]

f**k that bitch, she made you. AND SHE HAS NO FKCING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS TO BE SHORT. She has lived her whole life getting what she wante you went thru life getting nothing of what you wanted. Fk her and go get LL.

LOL well I don't appreciate you calling my mother a bitch. But I understand the general concept of what you are saying.

I'm heavily leaning towards doing it. But here's the thing - I am prepared to lose a certain group of friends over this. I've already told my 4 closest friends, and they're all on board, so I know I'll keep them. And to me, quality > quantity.

But family is very important to me...and I just don't want to alienate myself from them. I don't want them to hate me for being "selfish" and doing this now. But the problem with this damn surgery is that it takes months to get a surgery date, and then 4 months (if I'm lucky) to be walking again. So it's NEVER gonna be a good time...

[G-Man]

Ok its a big operation but its not like shes gonna die or something and that you would've missed her last days on the blue planet.  It sux that the timing is off but you can turn it in a positive situation like you are both gonna support each other and tell hospital stories together!
She has her life, you have yours.  Do your op and enjoy!  Life is short man!

P.S. Lol@Slim Tim

[YellowSpike]

Ok its a big operation but its not like shes gonna die or something and that you would've missed her last days on the blue planet.  It sux that the timing is off but you can turn it in a positive situation like you are both gonna support each other and tell hospital stories together!
She has her life, you have yours.  Do your op and enjoy!  Life is short man!

N.B. Lol@Slim Tim

Thank you G-man. This means much more to me than you know.

Last time around, my dad and grandmother freaked out. Then, their fear kind of underscored my own fear. But now, I'm totally ready for LL simply because I'm done stressing about being short! So I will deal with whatever pain LL tosses my way. I'm ready to move on with my life.

It would be amazing if I got off the wait list and was able to do it in mid or late July as opposed to mid August - I just wanna start this damn journey already

[paco1]

hi yellowspike,
which doctor do you choose for your surgery?

[YellowSpike]

hi yellowspike,
which doctor do you choose for your surgery?

I am doing it with with Dr. Rozbruch, as I live around here. We are confident that my insurance will help me out a good deal because we are also going to correct a knee deformity as well.

[paco1]

That is a very good option, perhaps the best doctor with paley and betz and guichet. You are in very good hands.
i am doing my surgery with doctor salameh in september

[Medium Drink Of Water]

It sounds like everything will be fine with your surgery, and your mother's.  I think it's her opinion that matters most in this situation, not so much the other family members'.

[ChrisIsaak]

Hope she gets well soon. I think you should go on and do LL as you planned - you'll be doing it with an internal method and you'll be back on your feet in no time. You can visit her frequently at the hospital with the help of your caretaker. Make sure you do that -be there- and support her psychologically. You can still be there on a wheelchair.

[thetallerman]

f**k that bitch, she made you. AND SHE HAS NO FKCING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS TO BE SHORT. She has lived her whole life getting what she wante you went thru life getting nothing of what you wanted. Fk her and go get LL.

Whoa those are some very harsh words, I'm hoping your intention is to be motivational by emphasizing with expletives however, saying to 'f*** that b****' I think is highly uncalled for.

It is hard being short but love for your family and being with them before they pass away is also really important.

[TRS]

I guess she doesn't want to see you in pain which is completely understandable. Majority of mothers do not like the sight of their children in pain. My mum always breaks down when I mention LL , she is against it.
Frankly I think your mum will be overwhelmed with grief when she sees your condition during LL. This is not very healthy and the last thing that a cancer patient would want is to see their family members in pain! I'm very sorry to hear about the situation you're currently facing. It must be very hard when someone close to you battles cancer.
Personally if someone very close to me has terminal cancer I would choose to delay LL and stay with the loved one.

[YellowSpike]

It sounds like everything will be fine with your surgery, and your mother's.  I think it's her opinion that matters most in this situation, not so much the other family members'.

Thank you MDoW. I know I'll be fine, but I do hope my mom will be ok as well. She's getting her own bone marrow harvested, so there's significantly less risk there. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this will work in her favor, and she's relatively young (mid 50's).

Hope she gets well soon. I think you should go on and do LL as you planned - you'll be doing it with an internal method and you'll be back on your feet in no time. You can visit her frequently at the hospital with the help of your caretaker. Make sure you do that -be there- and support her psychologically. You can still be there on a wheelchair.

This is what I am thinking. I feel like, regardless of if I do LL now or not, the outcome with my mom is mostly up to her doctor's and whatever God's will is. I will make certain I am there for her psychologically. If it's during the first 2 rough weeks, I'll call her every day, and after that (or even during that time frame) I'll have my caretaker bring me there on my wheelchair.

Whoa those are some very harsh words, I'm hoping your intention is to be motivational by emphasizing with expletives however, saying to 'f*** that b****' I think is highly uncalled for.

It is hard being short but love for your family and being with them before they pass away is also really important.

lol yeah I think he was being motivational and trying to give me some "tough love." I didn't take what he said personally, it actually made me laugh. And I agree, which is why I will do my absolute best to be there for her even while doing LL.

I guess she doesn't want to see you in pain which is completely understandable. Majority of mothers do not like the sight of their children in pain. My mum always breaks down when I mention LL , she is against it.
Frankly I think your mum will be overwhelmed with grief when she sees your condition during LL. This is not very healthy and the last thing that a cancer patient would want is to see their family members in pain! I'm very sorry to hear about the situation you're currently facing. It must be very hard when someone close to you battles cancer.
Personally if someone very close to me has terminal cancer I would choose to delay LL and stay with the loved one.

The thing is, for me, I feel like it's now or never. I turned 30 not too long ago, and I want to make moves in my life. And right now, LL is something that's just been hanging over my head. I have no problem not walking normally until around Christmas (if doing it in mid August like I am now), but I don't want to delay it any further.

In order to keep my mom's morale up, I will keep stressing that I'm not in that much pain (even if I am) and that this will utlimately make me happy and give me a better quality of life and that it will all be worth it. And in turn, this will make LL easier for me because a positive attitude is paramount during something as trying as LL.

And finally, with 6 weeks of temporary disability, I can focus solely on LL and also being there for my mom however I can without having to even think about work.

[G-Man]

I thought that you were doing LL in a different country like most of llers are!
Dude, you worry too much, you're gonna be in the same state, theres nothing to it then!  Its not like you are fleeing in another country far, far away from her.

Any mother wants to see their kids happy.  Ill bet shell have tears of joy when she sees your big fat smile for being taller! 

[YellowSpike]

I thought that you were doing LL in a different country like most of llers are!
Dude, you worry too much, you're gonna be in the same state, theres nothing to it then!  Its not like you are fleeing in another country far, far away from her.

Any mother wants to see their kids happy.  Ill bet shell have tears of joy when she sees your big fat smile for being taller! 

Thanks again G-man I spoke to my mom at length last night, and she wants me to go through with it. The good news is that the timing may be a bit staggered, so I can really be there for her before my LL situation starts. She helped me feel a lot better about everything, and regardless, I had planned on being there for her no matter what.

At this point, the only piece that I'm concerned about is the insurance. Dr. Rozbruch and his secretary believe that I should be ok, because my insurance provider is "one of the bests ones out there," and because I am bow-legged, we are filing it under that. As much as I want to be taller, I'm not sure I can justify $100K for it all. I also have dreams of buying a house someday. If I were doing this at 22 with the money I have now, then fine. But I'm 30, and my net worth (including retirement funds) is only around $280K (with no debt). I don't want to have to wait until I'm 40 to buy a house...so I'm really hoping it works out. The insurance pre-cleared me last time before I switched the date, so I'm hoping that's at least a good sign. Honestly, even if they just covered the hospital fees, I would be jumping up and down for joy (despite having broken legs)

[BilateralDamage]

Do you know the costs after insurance partially covers?  Mind sharing?

Also, you know my response.  Do the surgery, you won't regret it.  Money will always come to you, you have a good career. 

[GeTs]

I wish I could understand this desperate need of buying a house

[YellowSpike]

Do you know the costs after insurance partially covers?  Mind sharing?

Also, you know my response.  Do the surgery, you won't regret it.  Money will always come to you, you have a good career. 

If my insurance covered just the hospital fees, I would be looking at $30K-$40K, which is no sweat at all! I'd give them the cash and be done with it at that point. I mean, from what I gather, there's even a chance they would cover the surgery too, but I'm just concerned about the stupid hospital fees which are $70K. My write-up with Dr. Rozbruch listed my knee deformity, but spoke mostly about my height neurosis...so I am hoping that my insurance doesn't ask for that. My insurance policy covers 90% of in network (and the hospital is in network) and 60% out of network (the surgeons fees are out of network). When I called my insurance back in like March (on a non-monitored phone call), they said they'd cover at least $30K when I gave them the surgical codes...so I'm hoping that's a good sign.

I hope you're right, Big D. If I were a few years younger and in the same financial status as I am right now, it would be a no-brainer. $100K is A LOT, but when you're talking quality like Rozbruch and Paley, you get what you pay for, and you go into this with peace of mind (not to mention that I live in NYC). My career is ok...I make around $115,000 a year...decent for my age and NYC. Luckily for me, my cost of living is such that I'm able to bank around $2K a month (not including my 401K contributions).

How are you doing in the land of Paley?

I wish I could understand this desperate need of buying a house

I have lived in apartments my entire life. Nothing wrong with that...but buying a house has always been a dream of mine since I was a kid. I'd like to have it a relatively young age (mid 30s) so I can raise a family there and enjoy it, you know? But that's just me.

[KrP1]

wow ,115k dolars in a year is  a lot,  whats the normal range of money that people get in NYC?

[YellowSpike]

whats the normal range of money that people get in NYC?

To be honest, I have no idea what the normal range is for someone in my age group (late 20s-young 30s) in NYC. I'd guess maybe somewhere between 60K to 80K (average of all fields)? You have to remember that the cost of living is also very, very high in NYC. So we may make more money on average, but it doesn't necessarily mean we have more disposable income.

[GeTs]

To be honest, I have no idea what the normal range is for someone in my age group (late 20s-young 30s) in NYC. I'd guess maybe somewhere between 60K to 80K (average of all fields)? You have to remember that the cost of living is also very, very high in NYC. So we may make more money on average, but it doesn't necessarily mean we have more disposable income.

Did you ever consider doing it in beijing (less than half the price) or with other doctors like guichet (half the price)? Or it's really necessary to stay with your family?

[YellowSpike]

Did you ever consider doing it in beijing (less than half the price) or with other doctors like guichet (half the price)? Or it's really necessary to stay with your family?

I really would prefer to stay local. I'm only going to have 6 to 8 weeks of temporary disability, and then I'm going to have to work from home. And I'd prefer to not be in a foreign country while my mother is going through what she is going through.

If I can just get the freaking hospital bills covered (or mostly covered), I will be golden. I just wish there was a way to know for certain what the coverage would be beforehand. The doctor and secretary both said there's a "good chance" I'll be fine and that my insurance is "one of the best," so I'm hoping this all works in my defense. I'm also hoping that, since my insurance company is so huge, that the high cost won't really register on their radar because of so many other patients filing even more expensive claims.

But then again, if I get screwed and have to pay the full price, maybe I will find that I'm so happy that money/house aren't as important to me anymore. Who knows. But as men, we are pressured to be tall, make money, and be confident 24/7/365. Women just need to not be fat, and show up. No one cares about how much money a woman earns, how tall she is, or how confident she is, as long as she's at least decently cute. At least, this is how I think, I don't judge women for any of these things.

[GeTs]

I really would prefer to stay local. I'm only going to have 6 to 8 weeks of temporary disability, and then I'm going to have to work from home. And I'd prefer to not be in a foreign country while my mother is going through what she is going through.

If I can just get the freaking hospital bills covered (or mostly covered), I will be golden. I just wish there was a way to know for certain what the coverage would be beforehand. The doctor and secretary both said there's a "good chance" I'll be fine and that my insurance is "one of the best," so I'm hoping this all works in my defense. I'm also hoping that, since my insurance company is so huge, that the high cost won't really register on their radar because of so many other patients filing even more expensive claims.

But then again, if I get screwed and have to pay the full price, maybe I will find that I'm so happy that money/house aren't as important to me anymore. Who knows. But as men, we are pressured to be tall, make money, and be confident 24/7/365. Women just need to not be fat, and show up. No one cares about how much money a woman earns, how tall she is, or how confident she is, as long as she's at least decently cute. At least, this is how I think, I don't judge women for any of these things.

true, btw how much would the cost of hospital be? Will you do femurs in the future? , because if said all this thing u also should know from what u've seen that when a men is tall (6'0 +) has so many advantages over shorter dudes without even doing anything

[ChrisIsaak]

wow ,115k dolars in a year is  a lot, im from spain, , the normal here is to get arround 15.000 euros / year . no more tan 20k dolars, whats the normal range of money that people get in NYC?

It's not unusual for someone in the consulting business, for instance, to earn 7-digits in NYC by mid 30's. It's probably even higher in legal firms. Way higher for some entrepreneurs who set up their own businesses. But as Yellowspike mentioned, living costs and rent is very high in NYC too, as well as taxes. I could start working in NYC now and earn around $60k a year, but at least thirty percent of that would go to tax. I suggest working at Russia for more disposable income, where taxes are fixed at 13%.

One thing LL teaches a person is to think big.

[YellowSpike]

true, btw how much would the cost of hospital be? Will you do femurs in the future? , because if said all this thing u also should know from what u've seen that when a men is tall (6'0 +) has so many advantages over shorter dudes without even doing anything

Hospital bill I think is around $70K for 2-3 nights. If I can get most of that taken care of, I would be home free basically. I would hope that if insurance deems this cosmetic (despite my knee deformity), they would treat the hospital bills separate since that isn't a cosmetic procedure per se (unlike the actual surgery). Maybe wishful thinking, but I'm holding out hope!

I'm just doing internal femurs. 5'8-5'8.5" is fine by me. I honestly couldn't care less about being 6'0 I just want to blend in. I feel like I have everything going for me, but being average-ish height.

[G-Man]

For me life is about being happy.
A house gives me comfort but LL will make me happier!

[tx1111]

Im in nyc and i make only about 40k to 45k.   Im pretty much slumming it til february 2015. Ill have around 22k by then. Hope thats enough

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[GROWtalORdieTRYING1]

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[GROWtalORdieTRYING1]

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