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[theshortman11]

I really want this surgery but i'm only 170cm. It wont put me at 6ft so I don't know if its worth not being able to walk at 50. I just don't know..I don't want to miss out on any potential opportunities with amazing girls because I'm too short for them. What if I get married to an amazing person then a decade into marriage I suddenly fall apart..I don't know I'm tired of being alone all my life I kept losing to these amazing girls who end up picking 6ft+ guys..I can work on everything but it can't make up for lack of height where as height can compensate for alot of things..

[GrowGrow123]

The short answer is that we don’t really know.

To know we would need a bunch of long-term data showing patient outcomes after 30 / 40 / 50 years post surgery.

That being said, the foremost limb lengthening surgeons don’t seem to think there will be any serious long term issues based on current medical knowledge and theory. That’s just theory without data though.

[AllinStryde]

They aren't "amazing girls" if you're too short for them.  They're shallow women that are affected by social media.  They wouldn't know a 5'9" man from a 6' man if they saw them 5 minutes apart from one another. 

[GrowGrow123]

They aren't "amazing girls" if you're too short for them.  They're shallow women that are affected by social media.  They wouldn't know a 5'9" man from a 6' man if they saw them 5 minutes apart from one another.

Ehh, a girl can definitely tell the difference between 5' 9" and 6'. It's a pretty stark difference.

I also don't necessarily blame girls for wanting to feel small next to their man. Problem is girls go out wearing 3 or 4 inch heels at the places men typically go to meet women (eg. bars and clubs). So that makes it harder lol.

[theshortman11]

Ehh, a girl can definitely tell the difference between 5' 9" and 6'. It's a pretty stark difference.

I also don't necessarily blame girls for wanting to feel small next to their man. Problem is girls go out wearing 3 or 4 inch heels at the places men typically go to meet women (eg. bars and clubs). So that makes it harder lol.

It's funny how the girls that didnt pick me over the tall guy were all a 5'2 and under...Anyways ill stay on the grind in order to save up money. Hopefully by that time, more efficient and safer methods will come out.

[DanishViking]

I agree with AllinStrydes point. Most women can't tell the difference between someone who is like 5'10 and 6 feet unless 2 guys with those height stand beside eachother. Besides in generel like he mentions pretty much only the shallow ones cares about whether a guy is 12 cm taller than her or 20 cm taller both are still way taller. If a girl is like this she needs to see a therapist lol.

[JJ299]

I really want this surgery but i'm only 170cm. It wont put me at 6ft so I don't know if its worth not being able to walk at 50. I just don't know..I don't want to miss out on any potential opportunities with amazing girls because I'm too short for them. What if I get married to an amazing person then a decade into marriage I suddenly fall apart..I don't know I'm tired of being alone all my life I kept losing to these amazing girls who end up picking 6ft+ guys..I can work on everything but it can't make up for lack of height where as height can compensate for alot of things..

I doubt this surgery will prevent you from walking in the future after a successful recovery. There are people here that get surgery in both their tibia/femurs when they are in their 40s/50s and they seem to be fine with day to day activities.

I also saw a post-10 years study for people that got cosmetic LL and there was a 95%+ satisfaction rate which is akin to LASIK ( better results/satisfaction for people that got precice as well ).

[theshortman11]

I doubt this surgery will prevent you from walking in the future after a successful recovery. There are people here that get surgery in both their tibia/femurs when they are in their 40s/50s and they seem to be fine with day to day activities.

I also saw a post-10 years study for people that got cosmetic LL and there was a 95%+ satisfaction rate which is akin to LASIK ( better results/satisfaction for people that got precice as well ).

This is good to hear and makes me more motivated than ever before. The issue still stands of course the fact that ill still be under 6ft post op and at best 5'11. What will height standards be for men by the time I complete the surgery? Thats definitely one of my concerns as well.

[DanishViking]

Not 100% sure. But I'm pretty sure that in the western side of the world we pretty much have peaked height wise, so the average is properly not going to be much taller, if at all. But if you live in asia then it's rising!

[jerrytheman]

I'm pretty sure there is enough long term data to suggest there is not really any long term implications. This has been done for decades for actual leg discrepency issues. Albeit, that's done for 1 leg. But why would 2 make a difference for cosmetic? And the only difference is, in the more recent years, we have better medical and tools. It used to be only external a long time ago, now we have internal which is much better and safer.

[GrowGrow123]

I'm pretty sure there is enough long term data to suggest there is not really any long term implications. This has been done for decades for actual leg discrepency issues. Albeit, that's done for 1 leg. But why would 2 make a difference for cosmetic? And the only difference is, in the more recent years, we have better medical and tools. It used to be only external a long time ago, now we have internal which is much better and safer.

That's a pretty huge difference. Cosmetic lengthening cannot be compared to actual medical lengthening. Most medical discrepancy fixes are not going to be 10cm on Betzbone lol.

I doubt there's going to be any longterm issues, but we can't definitively say no without data for cosmetic lengthening specifically. Unknown unknowns.

[informationispower]

There is a study which compared lengthened limbs to not lengthened limbs for disperancies and it showed the lengthened limb to be weaker and I think more prone to early osteoarthritis.  I read it a few months ago

[jerrytheman]

There is a study which compared lengthened limbs to not lengthened limbs for disperancies and it showed the lengthened limb to be weaker and I think more prone to early osteoarthritis.  I read it a few months ago

Yeah your tiktok article you read online is not a "study". If you know anything about how bones work, they are actually temporarily stronger after hardening than other parts of your bone, and over the course of a couple years they restructure so that it is exactly like before your surgery. Bones are living tissues with living cells, they continue to repair itself. And you're lengthening your bone, it doesn't have anything to do with osteoarthritis which is your joints.

[jerrytheman]

That's a pretty huge difference. Cosmetic lengthening cannot be compared to actual medical lengthening. Most medical discrepancy fixes are not going to be 10cm on Betzbone lol.

I doubt there's going to be any longterm issues, but we can't definitively say no without data for cosmetic lengthening specifically. Unknown unknowns.

Why don't wont keep the talk to the general standard of 8cm. We're obviously not talking about 20cm Turkey surgeries. You do have a point, discrepency patients don't lengthen as much, however still a signicant amount. I'd say on average they are 2-4cm vs the standard we lengthen at 8. But would that really make a difference to the long term implication of things? Im basically saying, getting your limbs lengthened doesnt mean your bones will suddenly become fragile at old age, doesnt mean you cant work normally ever again at old age. And I think there's more than enough evidence to support that.

[Unknown]

Its not really clear. Most people return to daily life after successful LL. For most suffering with heightism issues or height dysphoria the trade off for athleticism is worth it.

[Maison]

There is a paper on the recovery of athletic ability after LL surgery, which can be found here: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00264-018-4159-5

According to this paper, patients who have undergone bilateral tibia lengthening for cosmetic purposes can expect almost a full recovery in daily life and light sports activities two years post-operation. However, some patients may experience limitations in moderate to strenuous sports activities.
Within this study, the average tibia lengthening was 6.3±0.9 cm.

I am unaware of any studies on longer-term prognoses, but if there are no problems in daily life after two years, it is speculated that there may not be significant problems in the long term.

However, if a surgical mistake occurs leading to malalignment, the likelihood of future arthritis may increase.

But, in my personal opinion, those who worry about long-term prognoses do not seem to be seriously concerned about their height and therefore may not need LL surgery.

[TheDream]

There is a paper on the recovery of athletic ability after LL surgery, which can be found here: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00264-018-4159-5

According to this paper, patients who have undergone bilateral tibia lengthening for cosmetic purposes can expect almost a full recovery in daily life and light sports activities two years post-operation. However, some patients may experience limitations in moderate to strenuous sports activities.
Within this study, the average tibia lengthening was 6.3±0.9 cm.

I am unaware of any studies on longer-term prognoses, but if there are no problems in daily life after two years, it is speculated that there may not be significant problems in the long term.

However, if a surgical mistake occurs leading to malalignment, the likelihood of future arthritis may increase.

But, in my personal opinion, those who worry about long-term prognoses do not seem to be seriously concerned about their height and therefore may not need LL surgery.

Self reported study, so should be taken with a grain of salt.
It’s just a questionnaire that people answer.
But it does seem to confirm the suspicion that day to day acitivities heal ok while harder activities like running are severely impacted.

At the end of the day the thing holding back LL in terms of recovery is the soft tissue. The bones can heal fine with the current technique, but the muscles, nerves and stuff are just being strained at one point which leads to degradation. We need some kind of method that allows the soft tissue to grow akin to natural height growth so it’s not just being strained.

[informationispower]

Yeah your tiktok article you read online is not a "study". If you know anything about how bones work, they are actually temporarily stronger after hardening than other parts of your bone, and over the course of a couple years they restructure so that it is exactly like before your surgery. Bones are living tissues with living cells, they continue to repair itself. And you're lengthening your bone, it doesn't have anything to do with osteoarthritis which is your joints.

It's not a tiktok article lol. Actual scientific article. From pubmed. What a clown

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

If you are worried about the actual long term complications after old age, you may be not a candidate for this surgery since you are not really suffering from height dysphoria.

[LONFemurs2021]

They aren't "amazing girls" if you're too short for them.  They're shallow women that are affected by social media.  They wouldn't know a 5'9" man from a 6' man if they saw them 5 minutes apart from one another.

Imagine having preferences.

[jerrytheman]

It's not a tiktok article lol. Actual scientific article. From pubmed. What a clown

If you want to be a smart ass, can you be a little more clear on what you're debating? Are you claiming to have a real scientific study of bones that are lengthened being weaker? If so, that'll be a sight to see, because it has tons of counter article.

If you are talking about the athleticism, I suggest you go back and re-read the argument of this whole thread. It is asking for what the implications of Limb Lengthening is after OLD AGE. No fking senior citizen is trying out for the olympic track competition.

[palm_trees]

Check my thread in Limb Lengthening Discussions titled “Research / Study on LL long term” or something like that. I link a study from 2021 following a 33 year period of long term limb lengthening updates on patients with dwarfism, I also linked an interview with dr. Paley with cyborg 4 life, where he is asked about the long term effects of LL.

I think you will all be relieved to see the results, feel free to comment in my thread your thoughts on my research.

Thanks to coming for my TED talk.