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[dboy123]

Hi I'm planning on doing this surgery, and planning to do LON tibia with 6.5cm lengthening, is this too much or should i shoot down to 6cm? Any positive stories? Currently 5'8 would like to hit 5'11 to be a strong 5'10 and be done with surgery as my wingspan hits 5'10

[TheDream]

Any particular reason you’re planning on tibias instead of femurs?

[dboy123]

Any particular reason you’re planning on tibias instead of femurs?

I've changed my mind because I'm going with Parihar for his experience and cost, and he doesn't do LON femurs, so I'm going to do tibia.

[Confidence]

Donghoon lee patient 7.2cm LON tibias

[lovinglonglegs]

it denpends on your body. nobody can tell you whether you can do it or not, but the longer your tibia, more likely you can lengthen more. working hard on PT must

[Body Builder]

I did 7.5 cm on tibias and I am fine.
Maybe I would have been better doing 1-1.5cm less but maybe not. For me getting even 1.5cm more from my initial height which was not good was important and I felt good even after 6.5 cm so I pushed for more.
And now I feel right with my choice.

These nowadays "safe limits" of 5cm for tibias are plain bs and most doctors who insist on them are to push their patients to give double or triple the money to do internal femurs which is a much more invasive and risky procedure compared to external tibias.
And in no way 8cm on femurs are easier or safer than 6.5cm on tibias. The biomechanics will have the same differences after so there is no reason for 8cm on femurs to be safer than 6.5cm on tibias.
Of course some people may not handle this lengthening on tibias due to equinus problem but that you will see it only during kengthening. Most people can handle 6-6.5cm on tibias without any major equinus issue.

[informationispower]

I did 7.5 cm on tibias and I am fine.
Maybe I would have been better doing 1-1.5cm less but maybe not. For me getting even 1.5cm more from my initial height which was not good was important and I felt good even after 6.5 cm so I pushed for more.
And now I feel right with mt choice.

These nowadays "safe limits" of 5cm for tibias are plain bs and most doctors who insist on them are to oush their patients to give double or triple the money to do internal femurs which is a much more invasive and risky procedure compared to external tibias.
And in no way 8cm on femurs are easier or safer than 6.5cm on tibias. The biomechanics will have the same differences after so there is no reason for 8cm on femurs to be safer than 6.5cm on tibias.
Of course some people may not handle this lengthening on tibias due to equinus problem but that you will see it only during kengthening. Most people can handle 6-6.5cm on tibias without any major equinus issue.

You forget to mention you did both achilles lengthening and afterwards Achilles shortening

[Body Builder]

You forget to mention you did both achilles lengthening and afterwards Achilles shortening

The reason I did achilles shortening was that I didn't really needed achilles lengthening to begin and was just a major fault from the moron doctor I had back then.
If I walked for some months my equinus would have been fixed without even the need to do this crap surgery and then to fix it again with a shortening to the initial tendon's length.

[hippo60]

internal femurs which is a much more invasive and risky procedure compared to external tibias.

Uh??

[Medium Drink Of Water]

You forget to mention you did both achilles lengthening and afterwards Achilles shortening

I have almost the exact same experience and opinion as Body Builder.  I did not get any Achilles surgery.  Fortunately for me, my doctor did know better.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Uh??

A few small-diameter pins perpendicular to the bone is not very invasive.  It's like an extreme but temporary body piercing.

Compare that to driving a big nail down into the intermedullary canal and then pulling it back out again.

[dboy123]

I did 7.5 cm on tibias and I am fine.
Maybe I would have been better doing 1-1.5cm less but maybe not. For me getting even 1.5cm more from my initial height which was not good was important and I felt good even after 6.5 cm so I pushed for more.
And now I feel right with my choice.

These nowadays "safe limits" of 5cm for tibias are plain bs and most doctors who insist on them are to push their patients to give double or triple the money to do internal femurs which is a much more invasive and risky procedure compared to external tibias.
And in no way 8cm on femurs are easier or safer than 6.5cm on tibias. The biomechanics will have the same differences after so there is no reason for 8cm on femurs to be safer than 6.5cm on tibias.
Of course some people may not handle this lengthening on tibias due to equinus problem but that you will see it only during kengthening. Most people can handle 6-6.5cm on tibias without any major equinus issue.

Nice, how was you recovery now? Can you sprint and jog good? Weight lifting? Walk? I understand there's a long recovery and obviously some athletic setback just wanted to know how it went for you

[dboy123]

6.5 cm is definitly not safe for 90% of people doing tibia lengthening. Most people start to get complications after 4,5 cm according to cyborg4life and most safe US surgeons set the safe limit to 5 cm for tibias. In generel doing tibias is a stupid idea unless your're planning on doing both segments femur + tibia or you find out after x-ray scanning that you have abnormally long femurs compared to tibias.

They heal slower, have a higher complication rate, increase chance of joint problems / early arthisis, less overall safe length achieved / cutting 2 bones (tibia+fibula) vs 1 for femur etc.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26398436/

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=83172.0 (this guy did what you want and got a horrible outcome...)

I would rather do femurs but Dr. only does LON Tibia, but I heard LON for the tibia is way safer and more comfortable than LON Femur, but I understand your raising complications going that high but since I'm probably gonna do 1 surgery for awhile or forever I rather do it big then regret it later.

[hippo60]

A few small-diameter pins perpendicular to the bone is not very invasive.  It's like an extreme but temporary body piercing.

Compare that to driving a big nail down into the intermedullary canal and then pulling it back out again.

Are you really going to argue LON tibias is LESS invasive and LESS risky than internal femurs?

[Medium Drink Of Water]

External only.  Not LON.

[dboy123]

Are you really going to argue LON tibias is LESS invasive and LESS risky than internal femurs?

LON Tibia is safer than LON femur, plus more comfortable sleeping wise, OFC internals femurs is gonna be the best of the best but more expensive than LON, that's why I'm considering doing tibia first than maybe femurs.

[Body Builder]

Nice, how was you recovery now? Can you sprint and jog good? Weight lifting? Walk? I understand there's a long recovery and obviously some athletic setback just wanted to know how it went for you

I can't do anything very well except from running as fast as before and for the same distances and jump as high.
I could still train to become better in these thimgs too (not.like LL though) but I don't want to stress my knees and ankles and legs in general so I just continue my everyday life normally without things that I woiuldnt do much even without LL.
I cam walk normally for long distances and of course be steady enough to work out as much as I did before LL.

Everyone who says, even doctors, that 6-6.5 cm on tibias will ruin you are either lying or dont know s**t.
Always the less the better of course but in no way 6-6.5cm on tibias would ruin you more than 8cm on femurs.
But doctors nowadays are more merchants than real doctors and want to earn huge amount of money by doing internal femurs which are much easier for them than external tibias which is safer and by far less expensive. But doctors can't earn much money with it amd should be really experienced to do it and thats why they prefer to tell bs to their patients about the risks of tibias and how superior are internal femurs, thats why the vast majority of people here are doing femurs these days while 10+ years before most of us did external tibias and had the same results with less than half the money.


So go for external tibias and listen to your body. Up to 6cm are relatively safe for most people, but if your body adapts well you could reach even 6.5cm without much risks. After than that it is better to stop.

[oklama]

I can't do anything very well except from running as fast as before and for the same distances and jump as high.

I dont get what you mean by this I think you mistyped

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Remove the apostrophe and the t.  That's what he meant.

[hippo60]

External only.  Not LON.

Oh I see. But buddy, you didn't shower for a couple of months because of infection risk. I really don't understand what's the argument for LON over internal other than money.

But doctors nowadays are more merchants than real doctors and want to earn huge amount of money by doing internal femurs which are much easier for them than external tibias which is safer and by far less expensive. But doctors can't earn much money with it amd should be really experienced to do it and thats why they prefer to tell bs to their patients about the risks of tibias and how superior are internal femurs, thats why the vast majority of people here are doing femurs these days while 10+ years before most of us did external tibias and had the same results with less than half the money.

You unfortunately experienced a really bad doctor who might match that description, but that's definitely not true for all doctors. And guess what happened over the last decade? Technology improved, and other than you - people moved on.

Why don't you become a farmer? People have been doing it for thousands of years. They seemed pretty happy.

[Body Builder]

Remove the apostrophe and the t.  That's what he meant.

Exactly. My bad.

[Body Builder]

Oh I see. But buddy, you didn't shower for a couple of months because of infection risk. I really don't understand what's the argument for LON over internal other than money.

You unfortunately experienced a really bad doctor who might match that description, but that's definitely not true for all doctors. And guess what happened over the last decade? Technology improved, and other than you - people moved on.

Why don't you become a farmer? People have been doing it for thousands of years. They seemed pretty happy.

Technology in LL, except from stryde that is discontinued, hasn't improved in the last ten years almost at all.
Especially with the crap internal albizzia mechanic nails (gnail and betzbone) that most LLers, at keast here, use for femur LL.
The only revolution in LL was stryde because it was a full weight bearing magnetic nail which was maybe the best we can get for doing LL. But no, albizzias are no way an improvement and neither internal LL with these obsolete nails is any improvement compared to the far safer, less painful and cheaper tsf/hexapod frames for tibias.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

I really don't understand what's the argument for LON over internal other than money.

There isn't one.

[dboy123]

I can't do anything very well except from running as fast as before and for the same distances and jump as high.
I could still train to become better in these thimgs too (not.like LL though) but I don't want to stress my knees and ankles and legs in general so I just continue my everyday life normally without things that I woiuldnt do much even without LL.
I cam walk normally for long distances and of course be steady enough to work out as much as I did before LL.

Everyone who says, even doctors, that 6-6.5 cm on tibias will ruin you are either lying or dont know s**t.
Always the less the better of course but in no way 6-6.5cm on tibias would ruin you more than 8cm on femurs.
But doctors nowadays are more merchants than real doctors and want to earn huge amount of money by doing internal femurs which are much easier for them than external tibias which is safer and by far less expensive. But doctors can't earn much money with it amd should be really experienced to do it and thats why they prefer to tell bs to their patients about the risks of tibias and how superior are internal femurs, thats why the vast majority of people here are doing femurs these days while 10+ years before most of us did external tibias and had the same results with less than half the money.
That's good bodybuilder, and I hate how most people say it's not safe when they haven't even experienced the surgery before, I respect your opinion more. I would do 7cm tibia but I'm afraid that Parihar has limit of 6-6.5cm lengthening. But I'm just planning of doing 1 surgery to get 5'11 and be done and hopefully I'll be good, I'll safe my femurs for maybe when stryde comes out again. Have you done femurs as well?


So go for external tibias and listen to your body. Up to 6cm are relatively safe for most people, but if your body adapts well you could reach even 6.5cm without much risks. After than that it is better to stop.

[Uchiha]

These nowadays "safe limits" of 5cm for tibias are plain bs and most doctors who insist on them are to push their patients to give double or triple the money to do internal femurs which is a much more invasive and risky procedure compared to external tibias.
And in no way 8cm on femurs are easier or safer than 6.5cm on tibias. The biomechanics will have the same differences after so there is no reason for 8cm on femurs to be safer than 6.5cm on tibias.
Of course some people may not handle this lengthening on tibias due to equinus problem but that you will see it only during kengthening. Most people can handle 6-6.5cm on tibias without any major equinus issue.

I did 6.6 cm on tibias with LON method. I agree with @Body Builder.

[dboy123]

How's your active life and recovery, did everything go smooth? I'm 174cm really wanna hit to be 180.5, and possibly be done with LL, are you content with LL or are you planning to do another surgery?

[DanishViking]

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=83916.0