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Re: Fat embolism
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2023, 04:09:17 PM »

Dr Giotikas used to work as a trauma surgeon in the army so limb lengthening cases would be relatively simple. Having consulted with him myself, he told me he does about 4 surgeries a week currently. Considering he has been a surgeon for 15+ years then he would have done at least a few thousand surgeries by now. Certainly more experienced than a lot of the other doctors on this forum imo.
Well said. Especially compared to merchants like Becker who become an orthopaedic doctor to only do LL and although he has minimum experience we have tenths of diaries about him here only because he is an apprentice of Betz who let his patients lengthen some crazy amounts like 11-12cm, something that no respectable.doctor does.

Giotikas for sure is one of the best LL.doctors in Europe right now considering his price, his experience and that he operates in an EU country.
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Re: Fat embolism
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2023, 04:34:20 AM »

The technique that Dr Paley uses to avoid fat embolism, the special way that he drills holes in the bones for the fat or something that reduces the risk for fat embolism, is this technique only used by him or is it something well known that all Doctors use?
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Re: Fat embolism
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2023, 02:39:47 PM »

Medium Drink of Water doesn't think that Dr. Giotikas is in the top 10 LL doctors.

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=73165.msg227925#msg227925
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Re: Fat embolism
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2023, 05:08:23 PM »

Medium Drink of Water doesn't think that Dr. Giotikas is in the top 10 LL doctors.

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=73165.msg227925#msg227925
But he thinks that the butcher Guichet is good although he had at least one deceased patient and we knew many butchered patients from him in past diaries.
And also has the most stupid proLL work out program ever.
Although I generally respect m.d.o.w opinion in many things as he is also a veteran and from the oldest ones, I completely disagree.
Guichet is one of the worst cases of LL doctors in Europe and for the money he wants he is more of a joke than a sensible option.
I don't think that Betz was a good doctor also because he let some crazy amounts of lengthening (like 12cm) and didn't do itb release which is a must for femur LL but still he was a better option compared to Guichet.
I believe that Giotikas is a better option though.
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Re: Fat embolism
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2023, 06:04:19 PM »

But he thinks that the butcher Guichet is good although he had at least one deceased patient and we knew many butchered patients from him in past diaries.
And also has the most stupid proLL work out program ever.
Although I generally respect m.d.o.w opinion in many things as he is also a veteran and from the oldest ones, I completely disagree.
Guichet is one of the worst cases of LL doctors in Europe and for the money he wants he is more of a joke than a sensible option.
I don't think that Betz was a good doctor also because he let some crazy amounts of lengthening (like 12cm) and didn't do itb release which is a must for femur LL but still he was a better option compared to Guichet.
I believe that Giotikas is a better option though.

Giotikas might be better than Guichet or Betz. But I still doubt Giotikas. He was a huge prospect here back then due to his solid background and people were hoping that he's gonna be the next Paley.

I understand that his price is attractive, and sometimes we just want to believe him to be a real deal even though evidence pointed out otherwise.
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Re: Fat embolism
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2023, 06:11:57 PM »

What evidence? One death out of thousands and thousands? Dr G points this out before doing the surgery. Your're running this risk with every surgeon. We don't know if that person were a smoker or vaper. 4 times Paley experienced this with patients they were smokers... Your talking like he has had 100 deaths out of 1000 surgeries...
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Re: Fat embolism
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2023, 06:21:54 PM »

What evidence? One death out of thousands and thousands?

Even if the above calculation is correct that he's been doing 4 surgeries per week for the last 15 years and we ignore the invasiveness. He has done less than 3000 thousands.

Your're running this risk with every surgeon.

Sure, that but doesn't mean that the risk is equal with every surgeon.

4 times Paley experienced this with patients they were smokers...

Yet, none of them died.
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Re: Fat embolism
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2023, 12:34:40 AM »

@DanishViking
It's clear you're advertising Dr glikokas.
Your arguments is all speculation, no facts... The death at Dr. Giotikas has nothing to do with the method. It is as likely to happen with tibia lengthening.
Regardless of doctor your're running the same risk for fat embolism. But comparing the god of limb lengthening with Dr. Giotikas will not be fair, espicially when he charges more than twice as much for the same procedure ;)
Espically surgeons in Turkey and India. It's a part of this surgery that your're running a extremely low risk of dying and Dr G even points this out before surgery, not like many other crap surgeons who never openly talks about potiential complications and the risk here of.

Good luck finding a surgeon with more experience, who is more honest and is taking more precautions by doing things in a certain way to avoid complications, for a better more reasonable price than dr Giotikas in Europe. It ain't gonna happen at least for now...
Sorry buddy but at that height you should properly look into leg shortening lmao. And doing LON is taking a way to big of a risk. It is not safe and most people end up with some bad complications. Espically if you go to cheap surgeons in turkey. If you want the best bang for your buck in EU you should go with Dr giotikas in Greece. He have decades of experience, does thing in a certain way to avoid complications and Doesn't lengthen by using risky methods!
The best bang for your buck is Dr. Giotikas in Greece. He has decades of experience, does the operations in a certain way to minimize complications and has really affordable prices.

And no I'm not sponsered by him LMAO. I have just done more than a year of research on this topic, and the best option in Europe for the money is him. I'm going to do G-nail Femurs or Stryde presumed it's out again, when I have enough money.
I think you should go for Giotikas. He seems to have the most experience compared to the price you pay, and can offer G-nail which is weightbearing, that can make the journey much easier!
But maybe you can do G-nail with Doctor Giotikas? It is also weight bearing!
What evidence? One death out of thousands and thousands? Dr G points this out before doing the surgery. Your're running this risk with every surgeon. We don't know if that person were a smoker or vaper. 4 times Paley experienced this with patients they were smokers... Your talking like he has had 100 deaths out of 1000 surgeries...
As you wrote "Your arguments is all speculation, no facts..." Stop poisoning people with false information. You support your doctor like a football team supporter and you insist your own truths on people. Why are you telling people what to do? Do you consider yourself the savior messiah? You have no proof other than a few links and youtube videos. Also, what you call proof is thesis. It's not a proven thing. You vomit hatred for the lon method - turkey - india in your every article. I guess people don't prefer Greece. I am a westerner and I can say that greece is one of the worst countries in cll. Also, dr gliokas cannot and will not be at the level of any western doctor. I agree with some of what you said, for example, most western surgeons do not recommend lon, but one of the reasons for this is the desire to earn more money. It is done in non-cosmetic limb extensions and is considered very safe. There is no one here who writes such articles other than you. Anyway, you know best. You will change the entire cll community. All the knowledge and experience we have gained is garbage. Believe what this person says. I don't know what his qualifications are, he's not a doctor, but I think he knows something :)
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Re: Fat embolism
« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2023, 12:32:25 PM »

Medium Drink of Water doesn't think that Dr. Giotikas is in the top 10 LL doctors.

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=73165.msg227925#msg227925
I think so too.
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