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[Sholloway]

Is there any list here that shows recommended quality doctors by members?

[Sigma]

These are S tier / Premium doctors

Dr. Dror Paley - Usa
Dr. Robert Rozbruch - Usa
Dr. Donghoon Lee - Korea
Dr. Peter Thaller - Germany
Dr. Mustafa Gökhan Bilgili - Turkey
Dr. Tetsworth - Australia
Dr. Hiroyuki - Japan
Dr. Zang Jian Cheng - China
Dr. Antti Ritvanen - Finland

These doctors are the best orthopedists in those countries.


If you stay away from these you will be fine 

1- Athensbjr - Giotikas
2- Livelifetaller - Halil buldu - Sedat
3- Wannabetaller - Yunus
4- Yuksel Yurttas
5- Limblengthening-center - Serkan Gurcan
6- Lengthening Turkey - Fatih arslanoglu
7- AFA - Mustafa uysal
8- Stay away from countries like egypt - iran - india - greece - armenia - russia

[sxxa]

These are S tier / Premium doctors

Dr. Dror Paley - Usa
Dr. Robert Rozbruch - Usa
Dr. Donghoon Lee - Korea
Dr. Peter Thaller - Germany
Dr. Mustafa Gökhan Bilgili - Turkey
Dr. Tetsworth - Australia
Dr. Hiroyuki - Japan
Dr. Zang Jian Cheng - China
Dr. Antti Ritvanen - Finland

These doctors are the best orthopedists in those countries.


If you stay away from these you will be fine 

1- Athensbjr - Giotikas
2- Livelifetaller - Halil buldu - Sedat
3- Wannabetaller - Yunus
4- Yuksel Yurttas
5- Limblengthening-center - Serkan Gurcan
6- Lengthening Turkey - Fatih arslanoglu
7- AFA - Mustafa uysal
8- Stay away from countries like egypt - iran - india - greece - armenia - russia

Really good list tbh, but why Giotikas is considered bad? I know he had that case but I think he is not bad.

[Sigma]

Really good list tbh, but why Giotikas is considered bad? I know he had that case but I think he is not bad.

There are many unknown cases. I met with him years ago and gave up on having surgery. his patient warned me. There are many people who have surgery in real life. every doctor and every country but you won't see them in this forum. They just don't publish daily. Because doctors threaten them by saying that they will treat them for free and will not tell people about it. Injured people do not share these on the internet in order to avoid paying fees and hoping for recovery. You can also join Telegram groups. There you will see people mutilated by butchers like Dr Giotikas - Betz - AFA - LiveLifetaller. I actually don't care. I will have surgery in Asia. Everyone has a brain, and people who cannot use their brains should not rebel after experiencing these. Choosing a doctor is important and no one will care if you get crippled. You are responsible for everything yourself. Don't believe stupid diaries like Betz Giotikas Afa here who only share x-ray pictures. Fake diaries...

[sxxa]

There are many unknown cases. I met with him years ago and gave up on having surgery. his patient warned me. There are many people who have surgery in real life. every doctor and every country but you won't see them in this forum. They just don't publish daily. Because doctors threaten them by saying that they will treat them for free and will not tell people about it. Injured people do not share these on the internet in order to avoid paying fees and hoping for recovery. You can also join Telegram groups. There you will see people mutilated by butchers like Dr Giotikas - Betz - AFA - LiveLifetaller. I actually don't care. I will have surgery in Asia. Everyone has a brain, and people who cannot use their brains should not rebel after experiencing these. Choosing a doctor is important and no one will care if you get crippled. You are responsible for everything yourself. Don't believe stupid diaries like Betz Giotikas Afa here who only share x-ray pictures. Fake diaries...

Ok thank you for that, honest response.

[ax]

These are S tier / Premium doctors

Dr. Dror Paley - Usa
Dr. Robert Rozbruch - Usa
Dr. Donghoon Lee - Korea
Dr. Peter Thaller - Germany
Dr. Mustafa Gökhan Bilgili - Turkey
Dr. Tetsworth - Australia
Dr. Hiroyuki - Japan
Dr. Zang Jian Cheng - China
Dr. Antti Ritvanen - Finland

These doctors are the best orthopedists in those countries.


If you stay away from these you will be fine 

1- Athensbjr - Giotikas
2- Livelifetaller - Halil buldu - Sedat
3- Wannabetaller - Yunus
4- Yuksel Yurttas
5- Limblengthening-center - Serkan Gurcan
6- Lengthening Turkey - Fatih arslanoglu
7- AFA - Mustafa uysal
8- Stay away from countries like egypt - iran - india - greece - armenia - russia

Ignore this guy completely. "Dr." Antti is not even a doctor. He just founded the synoste nail company as an business man and this guy calls him a "Premium doctor" 

[palm_trees]

Donghoon, Paley, and Rozbruch are the three gods of LL surgeons. Most expensive, but an elite surgeon is well worth the money for LL imo.

Other surgeons below can definitely get the job done such as a mahboubian, birkholtz, etc. but it gets murkey a little lower than these. Personally, I wouldn't risk it with an indian or turkey doctor. IF you're gonna spend thousands and thousands of dollars on LL, may as well go for the best in the biz, it is your body after all and technique of cutting the bone, state of the art facility, elite PT, etc. are worth the best of the best money can buy in LL.

[One life]

Dr. Mangal Parihar Is also best I think

[One life]

I had researched about many doctors and my recommendation is

dr paley costly

Dr. Mangal Parihar cheap

[Marie_Bard]

These are S tier / Premium doctors

Dr. Dror Paley - Usa
Dr. Robert Rozbruch - Usa
Dr. Donghoon Lee - Korea
Dr. Peter Thaller - Germany
Dr. Mustafa Gökhan Bilgili - Turkey
Dr. Tetsworth - Australia
Dr. Hiroyuki - Japan
Dr. Zang Jian Cheng - China
Dr. Antti Ritvanen - Finland

These doctors are the best orthopedists in those countries.


If you stay away from these you will be fine 

1- Athensbjr - Giotikas
2- Livelifetaller - Halil buldu - Sedat
3- Wannabetaller - Yunus
4- Yuksel Yurttas
5- Limblengthening-center - Serkan Gurcan
6- Lengthening Turkey - Fatih arslanoglu
7- AFA - Mustafa uysal
8- Stay away from countries like egypt - iran - india - greece - armenia - russia

Ignore this list...the friend doesn't know what he/she is talking about...Many of these doctors do not even do cosmetic limb lengthening systematically and he recommends them as best options!- Ritvanen is not even clinical!

[Marie_Bard]

There are many unknown cases. I met with him years ago and gave up on having surgery. his patient warned me. There are many people who have surgery in real life. every doctor and every country but you won't see them in this forum. They just don't publish daily. Because doctors threaten them by saying that they will treat them for free and will not tell people about it. Injured people do not share these on the internet in order to avoid paying fees and hoping for recovery. You can also join Telegram groups. There you will see people mutilated by butchers like Dr Giotikas - Betz - AFA - LiveLifetaller. I actually don't care. I will have surgery in Asia. Everyone has a brain, and people who cannot use their brains should not rebel after experiencing these. Choosing a doctor is important and no one will care if you get crippled. You are responsible for everything yourself. Don't believe stupid diaries like Betz Giotikas Afa here who only share x-ray pictures. Fake diaries...

So what you are basically saying is "...Don't believe other people's stupid diaries with just x-rays... and only believe what I am saying  (which is the ultimate truth)...or the fault is all yours..."
It can't really get more narcisistic than that!, just go ask for professional help ASAP!!

Maybe Giotikas isn't your thing or meybe you weren't his thing when you two met, I don't know but the way you write feels so very personal.

[Marie_Bard]

Is there any list here that shows recommended quality doctors by members?

I've been preparing for CLL for some years now and I think that Giotikas is one of the best options in the world.
One of the highest numbers surgeon in the world, (maybe the second in numbers of CLL cases per year after Paley or the the third after Donghoon), and all this with practically zero advertising.
He worked in Oxford and Cambridge University Hospitals in the UK for many years. These are institutions of global caliper and can appoint the best doctors from anywhere in the world. The fact that Giotikas was appointed there says a lot.
Really knowing what he is talking about and not "sugarcoating"things, I found this video of him talking to a conference in London (English subs available) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9iFx1xykMc

in my mind the list looks something like this:

Rozbruch (less advertisement and younger than Paley)
Paley

Giotikas
Donghoon
Thaller (experienced but not regular CLL cases)

Assayag

Imo, this list gives a good range of options in terms locations, budgets and expertise combined, so there is no need to consider other options in N.America, Europe, or Asia

[Sigma]

@Marie_Bard

if you can't afford Rosbruch or Paley go to Giotikas

of course

Giotikas has done some research on proportions as well https://boneandjoint.org.uk/article/10.1302/1358-992X.2018.8.008

How come you prefer Betz instead of Giotikas? I have heard some patients resorting to Giotikas after running into complications with Betz.

I have heard of patients who went to Giotikas to solve problems they got from Betz or Becker, but not the opposite.

I also liked him yesterday...Open, trustworthy and knowledgeable. He made himself available to everyone and provided complete answers to all questions asked.

Hi everybody.

I contacted Dr Giotikas and he informed me that he will in Athens,Greece for the next 3 months

I think these are enough? I'm tired of Dr Betz and Giotikas staff in this forum...
Facts are painful. Dr Giotikas is a terrible doctor and there are cases of death. There are many disabled patients. Dr giotikas is not the best option in Europe. Butcher Dr. Halil is better and cheaper than giotikas. Instead of choosing Giotikas for surgery, I would prefer Butcher Dr Halil Buldu. At least I would pay less to be disabled.

I hate company employees like you. betz- giotikas- AFA you are all the same... Even your diaries are terrible, only x-ray pictures lol.
Keep defending giotikas. After all, you are his dog, you have to do this. But remember this. MAKING MONEY ON PEOPLE'S LIVES AND GIVING BAD DOCTOR ADVICE AND FANING A DOCTOR LIKE A FOOTBALL TEAM SHOWS THAT YOU ARE A COMPLETE ..... I don't want to get banned so I won't say this I will ignore you from now on. bark as much as you want

[Marie_Bard]

@Marie_Bard
of course
I think these are enough? I'm tired of Dr Betz and Giotikas staff in this forum...
Facts are painful. Dr Giotikas is a terrible doctor and there are cases of death. There are many disabled patients. Dr giotikas is not the best option in Europe. Butcher Dr. Halil is better and cheaper than giotikas. Instead of choosing Giotikas for surgery, I would prefer Butcher Dr Halil Buldu. At least I would pay less to be disabled.

I hate company employees like you. betz- giotikas- AFA you are all the same... Even your diaries are terrible, only x-ray pictures lol.
Keep defending giotikas. After all, you are his dog, you have to do this. But remember this. MAKING MONEY ON PEOPLE'S LIVES AND GIVING BAD DOCTOR ADVICE AND FANING A DOCTOR LIKE A FOOTBALL TEAM SHOWS THAT YOU ARE A COMPLETE ..... I don't want to get banned so I won't say this I will ignore you from now on. bark as much as you want

Facts are indeed painful, for you that is!!
The fact that I defend Giotikas doesn't make me an employee, especially when my posts are based on facts and data, whilst your's are just statements that you expect us to take for granted!
Even the fact that you talk about "..cases of death.." when there was actually one case which happened months after surgery and for unrelated reasons, shows how big a liar you are! From that, I can only think that "...many disabled patients.." probably are one  or two complicated cases, which albeit sad, is totaly understandable for every high numbers surgeon who does complex treatments.
 
As far as I am concerned it is now geting even more obvious how special your issues are with Giotikas, and that you are not here to help the community, but rather to promote your own agenta.

[s2seraha]

Did the patient die of pulmonary embolism?

[Rellec]

There are many unknown cases. I met with him years ago and gave up on having surgery. his patient warned me. There are many people who have surgery in real life. every doctor and every country but you won't see them in this forum. They just don't publish daily. Because doctors threaten them by saying that they will treat them for free and will not tell people about it. Injured people do not share these on the internet in order to avoid paying fees and hoping for recovery. You can also join Telegram groups. There you will see people mutilated by butchers like Dr Giotikas - Betz - AFA - LiveLifetaller. I actually don't care. I will have surgery in Asia. Everyone has a brain, and people who cannot use their brains should not rebel after experiencing these. Choosing a doctor is important and no one will care if you get crippled. You are responsible for everything yourself. Don't believe stupid diaries like Betz Giotikas Afa here who only share x-ray pictures. Fake diaries...

Can you send me the link to this telegram group? I'm interested in reading other opinions on giotikas

[a9284850]

Hi.  Can you give me TG group. My Telegram ID is a9284850

[nick-sh.]

The worst doctor worldwide for limb lengthening is Yasser Elbatrawy in Egypt.He is clumsy and very very very irresponsible!He loves money and he has a terrible personality.This criminal 'doctor' in 2019 , he destroyed my legs and even now i have much pain,many problems and i can't walk like before the surgery with him.Other doctors told me that his work on my legs is a real crime!
Guys, be careful with him. When i was in Cairo i noticed that the 95% of his patients had severe problems with him.

[Bizzy]

Hey my friend I’m sorry to hear that.   How much did he charge you
Please do you know any other good doctor especially in turkey 🇹🇷

[Siegfried]

Dr. Koehne from Germany is definitely missing on that list.

[piikachu]

Dr. Koehne from Germany is definitely missing on that list.

Dr. Becker from Freiburg im breisgau as well. He is trained by Betz and is a specialist in aesthetic surgery (hair transplantation at least but possibly others as well) and LL. He is kind and caring as well. There have been no complaints from any of his patients so far.

[littlecarrot]

Dr. Becker from Freiburg im breisgau as well. He is trained by Betz and is a specialist in aesthetic surgery (hair transplantation at least but possibly others as well) and LL. He is kind and caring as well. There have been no complaints from any of his patients so far.

Would it be possible for you to cease promoting your clinic? I am looking for real experience sharing and am tired of reading ur ads.