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trademitech

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Hi LL community,

I had the surgery done in August with Dr M out in Los Angeles, California. I stopped lengthening at 7.7cm due to the many complications I have faced with the precice 2.2 nail. I was wondering if any of you guys could speak to your experiences with some of the challenges I am facing?

1. I am unable to straighten my legs out and have a 30 degree extension contracture in my left leg and a 20 degree contracture in my right leg. I’m getting mixed feelings from my PT’s and Dr. m himself. My PT’s say I should be back to normal once I finish lengthening, but I need to work on stretching more. Told me there’s a possibility of being stuck this way. DR. M didn’t act phased at all and told me not to worry about it. His bigger concern was that my ROM is very poor. It seems like I can’t bend my legs further than 60-70 degrees on each leg.

I reached 90 degrees around 6cm, but my leg muscles and calves have become remarkably tight since I have lengthened to 7cm+. My initial goal was 8cm, but I had to stop just shy at 7.7cm because of the pain I am in. Dr. M asked me if my PT’s were even doing there jobs, but their understanding has been that as I’m lengthening that it’s hard to improve ROM and important to maintain.

Can a LL veteran help shed some light? Will it loosen up once I start my consolidation phase? I’m very nervous as I don’t want to be stuck like this.
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Re: Leg extension contractures, poor ROM 3 months Precice 2.2 - Help?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2022, 01:47:50 AM »

While lengthening did you find that other LL patients also started having similar difficulties around the 6cm mark?
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Re: Leg extension contractures, poor ROM 3 months Precice 2.2 - Help?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2022, 01:52:37 AM »

I have heard the experience varies for everyone, I have a friend who did it with no issues at all from start to finish. I have another friend who has serious pain from start to finish. I was more in the middle, as my biggest battle was nausea ne vomiting up to two months in to the surgery. Now I’m trying to figure out if I’m going to have to get my tendons released via surgery after I finish consolidation.

This surgery isn’t for the faint of heart but 3 months is a small price to pay for the rest of your life
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Re: Leg extension contractures, poor ROM 3 months Precice 2.2 - Help?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2022, 06:20:01 AM »

I have heard the experience varies for everyone, I have a friend who did it with no issues at all from start to finish. I have another friend who has serious pain from start to finish. I was more in the middle, as my biggest battle was nausea ne vomiting up to two months in to the surgery. Now I’m trying to figure out if I’m going to have to get my tendons released via surgery after I finish consolidation.

This surgery isn’t for the faint of heart but 3 months is a small price to pay for the rest of your life

How has your friends' athletic recovery been?
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Re: Leg extension contractures, poor ROM 3 months Precice 2.2 - Help?
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2022, 10:03:38 AM »

Hi LL community,

I had the surgery done in August with Dr M out in Los Angeles, California. I stopped lengthening at 7.7cm due to the many complications I have faced with the precice 2.2 nail. I was wondering if any of you guys could speak to your experiences with some of the challenges I am facing?

1. I am unable to straighten my legs out and have a 30 degree extension contracture in my left leg and a 20 degree contracture in my right leg. I’m getting mixed feelings from my PT’s and Dr. m himself. My PT’s say I should be back to normal once I finish lengthening, but I need to work on stretching more. Told me there’s a possibility of being stuck this way. DR. M didn’t act phased at all and told me not to worry about it. His bigger concern was that my ROM is very poor. It seems like I can’t bend my legs further than 60-70 degrees on each leg.

I reached 90 degrees around 6cm, but my leg muscles and calves have become remarkably tight since I have lengthened to 7cm+. My initial goal was 8cm, but I had to stop just shy at 7.7cm because of the pain I am in. Dr. M asked me if my PT’s were even doing there jobs, but their understanding has been that as I’m lengthening that it’s hard to improve ROM and important to maintain.

Can a LL veteran help shed some light? Will it loosen up once I start my consolidation phase? I’m very nervous as I don’t want to be stuck like this.
You are saying things which seem contradictory. Can you confirm you are a bilateral femurs patient? In which case very tight calves would be bizarre. Also 20-30 contracture is a loss of ROM just like only being able to bend them 60-70 degrees. So you are saying your legs are stuck partial bend with only 30-40 degrees ROM? Your Dr not worried you can't fully straighten but is worried you can't fully bend? Because the 20-30 contracture is loss of ROM but you say that doesn't worry him just the max bend to 60-70?

My experience was with bilateral femurs with Paley so I stretched daily 4 hours and kept my legs straight nearly all the time and was warned they'd stop lengthening whenever I couldn't bend well past 90. 90 was minimum allowed to continue lengthening.

I think you should stretch constantly at this is point. Breaks to eat and sleep but otherwise non stop. As far as Dr wondering if your PTs even doing their job, sounds bizarre. Doesn't your Dr know all the PT folks? Stretching is 1 hr 5x a week with PT and minimum 3-4hr 7 days a week on your own right? Dr worried about the PTs or worried about you stretching on your own? Everyone who had ROM issues when I was at Paley Institute were the patients who did little stretching on their own. Were you stretching minimum 4hrs/day this far? If Dr and PT did not recommend that (or more given your loss of ROM) shame on them. If they did but you have not done that much stretching then shame on you.

It won't get worse now that you're in consolidation phase but unless you are stretching several hours a day it's unlikely to improve quickly. Some people get away with hardly stretching, soft tissue grow came easily for them, but for many there is no escape from the endless hours of stretching. You need to stretch like your ability to walk again depends on it...

I don't know if you're trying to troll Dr M, if Dr M sucks, if you are a crappy patient, or what is going on but I've never heard of ROM issues as bad as yours and you need to stretch relentlessly. I don't mean light stretching either but stretching really hard.

Sorry if I seem harsh. I wish you the best of luck and am hoping you fully recover very quickly. Now go stretch and stretch and stretch, then stretch some more...
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Re: Leg extension contractures, poor ROM 3 months Precice 2.2 - Help?
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2022, 12:07:58 PM »

Confirming that I am a bilateral femur patient that is 3 months post op. Went to Dr. mahboubian in LA, and just finished the distraction phase. My calves are very tight, feet are extremely swollen with edema’s, and my range of motion is very bad. I can not straighten my legs all the way, nor can I bend them very far.

Dr. M is worried about both - he asked me to stop lengthening because of how poor my range of motion has become both on extension and flexion.

I got to 90 degrees for a short period of time but I am looking at about 60-70 at the moment o I will focus on further stretching. I am commuting from another city in Southern California and my PT is located in the town I stay in.

Dr.M has encouraged stretching, and I do stretch about 3x per day.I don’t think Dr. m sucks, maybe it’s just how I have approached my recovery. My PT seems to be pretty worry free claiming that I haven’t been like this very long and that he can fix it.

I will take your advice to heart and really focus on the stretching aspect moving in to consolidation.

Thank you
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Re: Leg extension contractures, poor ROM 3 months Precice 2.2 - Help?
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2022, 11:54:54 PM »

Hey Trade, I was in this exact situation.  I stopped at 7.5 due to tightness.  I'm glad I stopped there too, as my proportions looked just fine and was very happy.  I was stiff-legged, walked like a penguin, and could barely move.  Follow all your Precise nail instructions for bearing weight, but as soon as you can start walking and bearing weight.  Rebuilding  your muscle will make you feel so much better.  I am 3 years post-op and I STILL stretch.  Keep stretching because I know your hamstrings are on fire right about now.  Also up near your groin region and your femoris rectus near the hip and knee region will be killing you.  Keep stretching, only what you can do...and every day it will get better and loosen up.  Your doctor doesn't seem concerned because he knows that this will go away.  Just thought you'd like to know that this disappears, but it will not go away overnight, keep at it.  Enjoy the new height!
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Re: Leg extension contractures, poor ROM 3 months Precice 2.2 - Help?
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2022, 05:22:47 AM »

Hey Allinstryde,

I wanted to thank you for responding to this. I have stopped lengthening at 7.8cm and am about almost a month in to consolidation. I am getting my range of motion back very slowly, and my leg extension is improving day over day. It’s been a long journey, and I have a follow
Up appointment with Dr. M next week.

The one thing I am experiencing is remarkably bad nerve pain in my tibias and feet. I will continue to stretch, and yes my hand strings are super tight and they burn every day. My other major problem is I can’t bend past 90 degrees. My PT claims it’s the first time he’s worked with a leg lengthening patient. We’ve been doing some strenuous exercises and stretches.

Thanks for the encouraging words!!!
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Re: Leg extension contractures, poor ROM 3 months Precice 2.2 - Help?
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2022, 07:38:16 PM »

Hm.. looks like some issues at 7.5, 7.7 and 7.8 cm ish in this thread

I'm at about like... 5.5 cm ish so far with gnail femurs. At some point I was debating in my head about 7 vs 7.2 cm but maybe after reading this I should just stop at 7cm max or a bit earlier. Unlike precise, the gnails in me can't go in reverse and shorten if things go awry

I actually wonder, are you guys thinking of shortening the legs by like 0.2-0.3 cm to decrease the nerve pain? I think it would not be noticeable visually height wise but I wonder if it would help the pain

My ROM is alot better now than it was at the start or even at 1cm or 2cm. And my ROM tends to get better each week. But I'm getting vibes from this thread that the ROM should start to decrease again/muscles should start to get stiffer once I get past like 6.5ish cm? Like some of you, I'm also a bit concerned about my hamstrings (and also hip flexors) but my quads have improved alot so I've just been stretching my hamstrings alot and praying. I'm lengthening 0.66 mm per day
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Re: Leg extension contractures, poor ROM 3 months Precice 2.2 - Help?
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2022, 02:22:30 AM »

I stopped lengthening at 7.8cm and am in consolidation. The last 10 cm were torture, but it appears to be different for everyone. Keep the faith and take it 1 day at a time!
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2022, 12:12:04 AM »

The last 10 cm were torture

;) have a feeling this above might be edited the next time I see this thread

I'm sort of just waiting for things to get difficult, right now at around 5.5 cm femurs with gnail things are great, my ROM is improving, my walking is improving, my pain is decreasing, its maybe the calm before the storm

I have heard that around 7 or more people's legs start getting hard and what not

I'm hoping things remain smooth until I reach my goal of 7cm and avoid the problems in this thread --but logically I know that things should be getting difficult soon based on threads like this

Its interesting, like gnail/betzbone patients tend to lengthen more than precise on average I feel--- but in some weird way I feel like I should do less length and stick to 7 with gnail because I can't shorten the legs if I do too much.

Whereas precise patients it seems like can either 1) shorten the legs before consolidation if need be 2) if its too late, they can later break the legs again and shorten the legs if they run into problems later
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Re: Leg extension contractures, poor ROM 3 months Precice 2.2 - Help?
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2022, 10:21:27 PM »

You’re right, I meant 10mm   :D

Honestly, I am almost at 4 months on this surgery, and everybody’s experience varies. It sounds like you’re coming out of this surgery and lengthening a lot better than me. I’m glad to hear that because I wouldn’t wish the stuff I went through on anyone.

Hope your lengthening is going well as we move in to the holidays; you’re almost there!!
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Re: Leg extension contractures, poor ROM 3 months Precice 2.2 - Help?
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2022, 11:20:30 PM »

it was recommended by DR D to me , that anytime during lengthening phase if server pain is felt , take a day off .  I took total 10 days off during 80mm lengthening to let my body catch up .
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