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[clarkkent7]

Current Height - 164 Cm
Sitting Height - 88 Cm
Wingspan - 173 Cm

What should be the ideal height that I should aim for? And what should be the safest amount to lengthen so that my proportions look normal, and at the same time my body functions normally after I recover from the surgery.

[JJ299]

Current Height - 164 Cm
Sitting Height - 88 Cm
Wingspan - 173 Cm

What should be the ideal height that I should aim for? And what should be the safest amount to lengthen so that my proportions look normal, and at the same time my body functions normally after I recover from the surgery.

I feel proportions is something that lot of people tend to worry about but unless you lengthen a crazy amount it should be fine. My Doctor recommends 7 cm max in the femurs and 6 cm max in the tibia.

[clarkkent7]

Don't you think 13 cm will mess up the proportions a little bit?

[JJ299]

Don't you think 13 cm will mess up the proportions a little bit?

You're planning to do bilateral lengthening? Then sure you might want to look at your proportion if you are planning to lengthen 13 cm, but I have seen people do 10+ cm and still looked fine.

[LLprime3]

your wingspan allows for the full 13 cm, BUT

if you want somewhat safe high amounts, go for <7cm and <5 cm.

Recovery is really hard for any segment if you do the full amount. Don't underestimate recovery difficulty.
It's more painful than the surgery trying to fully use muscle strength, at least for me after each LL operation.

[clarkkent7]

your wingspan allows for the full 13 cm, BUT

if you want somewhat safe high amounts, go for <7cm and <5 cm.

Recovery is really hard for any segment if you do the full amount. Don't underestimate recovery difficulty.
It's more painful than the surgery trying to fully use muscle strength, at least for me after each LL operation.

I think I'll happily bear all the pain for the result lol, but yeah I agree that it can be traumatizing for anyone. Tbh 177 cm is a pretty damn great height, I wouldn't even think of cll if I was that tall. How much did you lengthen and what was your height pre surgery? If you don't mind sharing.

[Taller90]

Current Height - 164 Cm
Sitting Height - 88 Cm
Wingspan - 173 Cm

What should be the ideal height that I should aim for? And what should be the safest amount to lengthen so that my proportions look normal, and at the same time my body functions normally after I recover from the surgery.

you have a decent wingspan  for your height! For example my wingspan is 161cm and my new height is 173-174 (depending if morning or evening) and I look still totally normal. I would go for 10,5-11,5 cm in femur which is quite the maximum you can lengthen with the betzbone (don´t know if any other nail can do the same). Assuming you have a tibia/femur ratio from 0,80 or more. Up from there you can decide to add another tibia surgery or not. Realistically you can only add about 5-9 cm in Tibia.

[LLprime3]

I think I'll happily bear all the pain for the result lol, but yeah I agree that it can be traumatizing for anyone. Tbh 177 cm is a pretty damn great height, I wouldn't even think of cll if I was that tall. How much did you lengthen and what was your height pre surgery? If you don't mind sharing.

I went from 156cm to 169cm (in the morning).
approx 7.8 cm on femurs and 5.4 cm on tib.

[SpeedDialer]

I am I the only one who thinks 6-6.5 cm femurs + 4.5-5 cm tibia might be a good idea if his starting height is 164 and he is worried about proportions and recovery?

Dr. Birkholtz said that complications shoot up exponentially after 6.5cm ish (some say after 7) and complications with tibias shoot up exponentially after around 4 ish cm (some say 5). So its sounds like to me 6.5 + 4.5 might be a conservative option with a fast recovery + less likely to screw up his proportions. I think maybe you could go to 6cm femurs, then have the doctor measure your range of motion (Dr. Giotikas does it everytime you see him) and same with tibias, they measure the angles and then that can help to decide if you still want to go for more.

My starting height was somewhere between 166-169cm at the start and I'm at like 4.6ish cm on femurs so far and when I look at them, I already think damn these are starting to look long but still like normal-ish, especially if you use a longer t shirt. Another guy who had my starting height also commented my femurs are starting to look long, like its noticeable already but not necessarily bad

Who are you thinking of going with? I think g-nail femurs with dr. giotikas gives a pretty good balance between price and quality but some forum members are suggesting betzbone tibias first (which are probably easier in terms of pain and will be an easier experience, but I heard tibias have more complications)

[lessthanavg8300]

Your proportions can definitely look off when you get up to amounts like 13 cm on a single segment (not to mention its risky to do that much).  Look at your femurs and then imagine them being 4 inches longer.  Going to look wildly different and can easily make your frame look odd especially if your tibias are already short or just not long.  If I was doing that much I'd def do both tibias and femurs.

The good news is your wingspan is absurd compared to your height.  Do your knuckles drag on the floor?  (joking).

[clarkkent7]

I am I the only one who thinks 6-6.5 cm femurs + 4.5-5 cm tibia might be a good idea if his starting height is 164 and he is worried about proportions and recovery?

Dr. Birkholtz said that complications shoot up exponentially after 6.5cm ish (some say after 7) and complications with tibias shoot up exponentially after around 4 ish cm (some say 5). So its sounds like to me 6.5 + 4.5 might be a conservative option with a fast recovery + less likely to screw up his proportions. I think maybe you could go to 6cm femurs, then have the doctor measure your range of motion (Dr. Giotikas does it everytime you see him) and same with tibias, they measure the angles and then that can help to decide if you still want to go for more.

My starting height was somewhere between 166-169cm at the start and I'm at like 4.6ish cm on femurs so far and when I look at them, I already think damn these are starting to look long but still like normal-ish, especially if you use a longer t shirt. Another guy who had my starting height also commented my femurs are starting to look long, like its noticeable already but not necessarily bad

Who are you thinking of going with? I think g-nail femurs with dr. giotikas gives a pretty good balance between price and quality but some forum members are suggesting betzbone tibias first (which are probably easier in terms of pain and will be an easier experience, but I heard tibias have more complications)

Do you think 8 + 5 cm can be safe? I believe 2 other surgeons Mahboubian and Paley are also great as well.

[SpeedDialer]

Do you think 8 + 5 cm can be safe? I believe 2 other surgeons Mahboubian and Paley are also great as well.

Yes

I think maybes check range of motion/x-rays w/ doctor when you get to 7 femur and get close to 5cm tibia and ask their opinion, won't be a guarantee it will work out but I think should help

I sort of wish we had a more scientific way of figuring out the best length to get to, but I don't think we really have a better way than "get close to the recommended limits, then ask the doc what to do" to figure out if they want you to stop or slow down lengthening etc

I'm going for 7 femur, 5 tibia but might stop earlier than that depending on the pain/range of motion. I'm doing just gnail femurs now, I'm at like 4.6ish cm and somehow it is getting easier and somehow my range of motion is getting better than at 1-3cm, especially my quads are becoming more and more normal. I heard it gets harder at 6-7 cm though, fingers crossed

I sort of think though that if you are ever in doubt you can just stop at like 6-6.5cm femur and 4.5 cm tibia, have a faster recovery, worry less about complications and get to enjoy the height sooner. I guess there is some argument to be made for "why even come close to risking it over just 1-2 more cm?" but I still think I want to push it to 7 femur, 5 tibia if the doctor lets me

Someone doing tibias now in Athens was like "I don't want to do 6cm, the recovery will take too long" or something like that and he might even stop before 5cm

So I think alot of people just decide to stop a bit earlier when the time comes. At some point, I felt hellbent on getting 8cm femur /6cm tibia and now I just don't want to deal with that last cm anymore