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[ReadRothbard]

The statement up here of women under 170 cm are short it's not completely crazy .
The difference between male n females stands in a 10 cm difference according to my personal experience, meaning that a 180cm guy is like a 170 cm girl .
Some crazy ones says its 15cm or 20 cm meaning that a 190cm guy compares to a 170 cm girl which is ridiculous to even hear n they bring up stats made on (!?) .
So under 180cm for guys and 170cm for girls , It can be seen as going on the short side of the spectrum .
I'm 5'9 n I feel short , a 165 cm girl might be considered average but can feel short as well because on the paper its avarage but in reality we see a lot of tall girls n boys.
The difference tho does not stand In his /her statement of girls under 170cm are short , but in the fact that being a short girl might not be a flaw (A LOT ..not me..but a lot of men likes short girls compared to tall ones) while being short or average (in some places) for a guy might be perceived and therefore treated by society as a big flaw ;that is a HUGE difference .


The following statement of girls under 170cm should not have kids is the reason why the off topic section should be deleted; he clearly lacks of any kind of rationality .

Objectively speaking, you add about 14.5 cm to the woman's height to find her equivalent male percentile.

[Masteryourlife]

Objectively speaking, you add about 14.5 cm to the woman's height to find her equivalent male percentile.

Yep ok ..a 165cm girl compares to a 180cm guy..yep sure !
Stats are stats and give a rough estimation n they are made on general datas .
My doctor was about to type 180 on my stats but I told him I was not 180 but 175  so imagine how accurate those datas might be (we don't even know how many samples have been taken)
In everyday life it's a 10 cm gap but I'm not here to convince anyone

[Exxon]

In my experience it's around 10-12cm of gap; I don't know though.

[ReadRothbard]

Yep ok ..a 165cm girl compares to a 180cm guy..yep sure !
Stats are stats and give a rough estimation n they are made on general datas .
My doctor was about to type 180 on my stats but I told him I was not 180 but 175  so imagine how accurate those datas might be (we don't even know how many samples have been taken)
In everyday life it's a 10 cm gap but I'm not here to convince anyone

I'm not giving my opinion: I'm outright tell you this as a fact. No, the gap is is about 5 inches--objectively. Why do you think you add 13 cm to the mother's height when calculating a son's projected height?

[ReadRothbard]

Curious to know why you want 6+ children?

It's a long explanation, but it's not something I'm willing to compromise on whatsoever. It has to happen, period.

[Masteryourlife]

I'm not giving my opinion: I'm outright tell you this as a fact. No, the gap is is about 5 inches--objectively. Why do you think you add 13 cm to the mother's height when calculating a son's projected height?

Why u ended up shorter then your projection ?
Why others with short parents and short granp but tall uncle somewhere end up being super tall ? (I know plenty of them)
This is not to trigger you at all, I respect you , but to prove the point that stats re just stats , they do not take 100% of people and they are not accurate because no one gives a f**k to be that precise on knowing the exact difference in heights or avarage heights ;its just us .
So they add 13 cm based on stats which as I'm saying,are not accurate because doctors who register those datas ,often do not care and plug in wrong measures .
And I know that for a fact because that happened to me but idrc it's not a big deal ig but I invite you to not believe blindly stats because around the world no one cares about those things as much as we do so they are not accurate .
If you go outside I think u would agree with me

[ReadRothbard]

Why u ended up shorter then your projection ?
Why others with short parents and short granp but tall uncle somewhere end up being super tall ? (I know plenty of them)
This is not to trigger you at all, I respect you , but to prove the point that stats re just stats , they do not take 100% of people and they are not accurate because no one gives a f**k to be that precise on knowing the exact difference in heights or avarage heights ;its just us .
So they add 13 cm based on stats which as I'm saying,are not accurate because doctors who register those datas ,often do not care and plug in wrong measures .
And I know that for a fact because that happened to me but idrc it's not a big deal ig but I invite you to not believe blindly stats because around the world no one cares about those things as much as we do so they are not accurate .
If you go outside I think u would agree with me

I've explained why: I had a rare growth disorder called precocious puberty; my height was stunted by 6-8 inches as a result. Meanwhile, my younger brother ended up exactly at our midparental height of 5'11.5". Yes, exceptions happen--but in my case, it was extremely rare (like 1 in 6000 children rare). For most other people, this isn't the case. In fact, I don't know of anyone who ended up like that outside of cases of clear cuckolding.

I do go outside, and my observations line up almost exactly with the statistical average.

[Masteryourlife]

I've explained why: I had a rare growth disorder called precocious puberty; my height was stunted by 6-8 inches as a result. Meanwhile, my younger brother ended up exactly at our midparental height of 5'11.5". Yes, exceptions happen--but in my case, it was extremely rare (like 1 in 6000 children rare). For most other people, this isn't the case. In fact, I don't know of anyone who ended up like that outside of cases of clear cuckolding.

I do go outside, and my observations line up almost exactly with the statistical average.

My point was larger then your singolar experience ,was an example that projections are just projections based on random datas .
As I said tho, no big deal u can have ur own opinion as I've mine .

Edit: If I'm not mistaking ,you should be the one aiming at like 7.5 cm tibia or something like that , believing in stats n the story of the 20% length of the bone when the vast majority of people in here heavily suggested to not cross the 5 cm (former patients) .
My advice (which means nothing because I'm no doctor or anything) is to be little less focused on random stats n be more practical because at times reality is way different then unknown datas .

[ReadRothbard]

My point was larger then your singolar experience ,was an example that projections are just projections based on random datas .
As I said tho, no big deal u can have ur own opinion as I've mine .

Edit: If I'm not mistaking ,you should be the one aiming at like 7.5 cm tibia or something like that , believing in stats n the story of the 20% length of the bone when the vast majority of people in here heavily suggested to not cross the 5 cm (former patients) .
My advice (which means nothing because I'm no doctor or anything) is to be little less focused on random stats n be more practical because at times reality is way different then unknown datas .

That's correct, my current goal is a a little less than 20% of my initial tibial length, or 7.5 cm (which is about 19.5%). As far as I can tell, there's no consensus on the ideal amount to lengthen the tibia, but 5-8 cm seems to be that zone depending on various factors. Of course, I won't know until I start lengthening with Dr. Catagni or Solomin.

[173to187USTORUSSIA]

My mom is 5'6. However, she's in her mid 50s, so she might've been 5'6.5" or so when she was young.

Your parents are tall. Crazy.

I have noticed I have a long torso and short legs/arms. Crazy how a health problem in your teen years can have such a huge domino effect for the rest of our lives.

[ReadRothbard]

Your parents are tall. Crazy.

I have noticed I have a long torso and short legs/arms. Crazy how a health problem in your teen years can have such a huge domino effect for the rest of our lives.

Yeah, it sucks, but at least there is a solution for it. My dad was 6'0 before inactivity and smoking brought his height down.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

My point was larger then your singolar experience ,was an example that projections are just projections based on random datas .
As I said tho, no big deal u can have ur own opinion as I've mine .

Edit: If I'm not mistaking ,you should be the one aiming at like 7.5 cm tibia or something like that , believing in stats n the story of the 20% length of the bone when the vast majority of people in here heavily suggested to not cross the 5 cm (former patients) .
My advice (which means nothing because I'm no doctor or anything) is to be little less focused on random stats n be more practical because at times reality is way different then unknown datas .

I wonder why you 2 are quarreling with each other over stats. If the prerequisite is that stats are accurate and not inflated/deflated, then why 'stats are just stats' and it cannot reveal the reality? Instead, stats can reveal the reality best, way better than your eyes or assertions or whatnot. It's unintelligible to criticize stats just bc of that doctor who mistook your height when typing your height and said 'the vast majority of former patients suggest not to go beyond 5cm on tibias' while I dunno how you concluded that cuz I can many diaries here writing experiences about lengthening tibias over 5cm and nothing terrible happened if we are not talking about going beyond 7cm(that is very rare here).
Sure stats at times lose their credibilities cuz of human factors but you cannot prove them wrong and just self-assert as you want they are wrong or false then I think you are kinda paranoia or something if you don't mind me to say like that.
Sure, the gap between male and female heights is around 12-13cm and it also doesn't make sense either to think short ppl don't deserve to reproduce even though some tall children are reproduced by short parent, and didn't take grandparents into considerations either. I am not a American but I know there is a list of average height data of every state in US published annually on the Internet by America's medical official institute(I cannot recall its name sorry) and the gap is always around 13cm so I dunno why you are skeptical about his knowledges about the gap. If you have doubts about the data's accuracy just find proofs that the staff of the institute did make mistakes or something.

[0010010]

This is the evil side of social media in society at current. Everyone thinks 6'2 and a private jet is 'the norm'..

I hope it normalises sooner rather than later.

Also even if 50 percent of girls in some BS survey say they wouldn't date you, that still leaves 50 percent who would.

You only need to find one girl who makes you feel awesome really. So in this situation out of 100 girls at a bar 50 of them would touch your penis.... Not bad.


Furthermore.

Genetics are only one factor of height.

You should read this article on children moving to the US from Guatemala:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12400036/

If you can provide a safe loving environment for your children as well as good nutrition and perhaps plenty of sunshine they have every chance of growing to a decent size.

Sure you may not push out a 7ft monster man but really... who cares.

*Fun fact Michael Jordan's parents where not tall 5'9 dad normal size mum.

I have mates that had the same thing. One guy swears it was because he grew up with really tall friends and they had eating comps haha.

[0010010]

On the original question.

Height really doesn't matter in sexual selection to guys. In fact most guys prefer short girls.

You may miss out on some shorter guys that want to heighten up their gene pool... But who cares... that'd be like 1 or 2 guys out of 10 (or less).

That leaves 9 guys out of every ten to play with... Pretty darn good.

LL surgery is brutally painful and leaves scares. Unless you suffer from dwarfism definitely don't do it.

* So many Hollywood actresses are short, most of them. Scarlet Johanson is the same height as you and she is an action hero... Plenty of others.

Just play to your strengths

[AimHigh]

Yes I think a younger woman at 165 cm (in Australia) does feel short, and keep in mind at least 75% of the adult population is taller than her (almost all males and at least half of the females). My wife is 165 cm and is 15 cm shorter than me, I def dwarf her, and she does feel short nowadays (She has not shrunk with age) but She often said She felt average back in the 1980's. 

[Medium Drink Of Water]

The trash has been taken out of this thread.  Sorry for letting it pile up like that.

[ReadRothbard]

The trash has been taken out of this thread.  Sorry for letting it pile up like that.

That's fair enough; it got far off topic.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

That's fair enough; it got far off topic.

Yeah, no worries.  It was mostly one poster who's now banned.

[ReadRothbard]

Yeah, no worries.  It was mostly one poster who's now banned.

I'm guessing it was the guy who wants to lengthen 23 cm.