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Fnyc

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Consequences of removing marrow tissue from femurs?
« on: September 03, 2021, 08:03:24 PM »

Most doctors say that the bone marrow is simply fat tissue in adults and doesn't have many functions

My knowledge of biochemistry indicates the opposite, that the marrow tissue creates the majority of the cells in the body, blood, and immune

I am assuming the reason this surgery is hard on the body is because it physically removes a lot of the tissue that helps repair your body

Any insight on this? It's the main reason I am reluctant to get this surgery
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Re: Consequences of removing marrow tissue from femurs?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2021, 08:09:01 PM »

one marrow definietly has some function. i think it has to do with stem cells...
noone really knows what the longterm consequences are. might just be unable to walk after 40 or 50 coz ur legs
deteriorate
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Re: Consequences of removing marrow tissue from femurs?
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2021, 10:43:50 PM »

one marrow definietly has some function. i think it has to do with stem cells...
noone really knows what the longterm consequences are. might just be unable to walk after 40 or 50 coz ur legs
deteriorate

I am looking at recovery rates and complications from bone marrow donation and they seem more common than LL complication rates

Google states that it takes 2-6 weeks to regenerate your bone marrow after a donation so I am assuming it will be 3-4 months for a larger amount in limb lengthening procedures

I will have some consultations with LL doctors to clarify the specifics on the removal of the marrow tissue
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Re: Consequences of removing marrow tissue from femurs?
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2021, 11:49:27 PM »

Most doctors say that the bone marrow is simply fat tissue in adults and doesn't have many functions

In the "long bones" like femurs and tibias, yes.

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My knowledge of biochemistry indicates the opposite, that the marrow tissue creates the majority of the cells in the body, blood, and immune

Marrow in other bones is doing that in adults.
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Re: Consequences of removing marrow tissue from femurs?
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2021, 11:54:08 PM »

I am looking at recovery rates and complications from bone marrow donation and they seem more common than LL complication rates

Google states that it takes 2-6 weeks to regenerate your bone marrow after a donation so I am assuming it will be 3-4 months for a larger amount in limb lengthening procedures

I will have some consultations with LL doctors to clarify the specifics on the removal of the marrow tissue

you shouldnt talk to LL doctors. i doubt the will tell you the truth. they are after your money. talk to your normal doctor...
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Re: Consequences of removing marrow tissue from femurs?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2021, 12:06:08 AM »

you shouldnt talk to LL doctors. i doubt the will tell you the truth. they are after your money. talk to your normal doctor...
Its perplexing to deceive patients about dysfunctions after bone marrow removals and if removing marrow will paralyze patients without elaborations,patients will accuse them of deceits and surgeons will owe more money.
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Re: Consequences of removing marrow tissue from femurs?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2021, 05:12:17 PM »

Let's catch up on some basic human physiology here

1) There're 2 types of bone marrow, red and yellow. When doctors are referring to bone marrow being fat, they're referring to yellow marrows which covers most of your bone.

2) The end of big bones like your hip/upper femur, contains spongy tissues or red bone marrow. These host stem cells needed to grow red blood cell, white blood cells and platlets.

In your procedure, you will suffer significant internal bleeding, because the upper femur containing red bone marrow will be drilled through. However, most of the nail goes through parts of the bone with only yellow bone marrow which is just fat.

There is likely to be small, short term effects on your blood cell production capacity. I remember being pale and had low iron levels for a week after surgery. However, everything recovered fully in the coming weeks.

People who need bone marrow transplant aren't lacking marrow, but that their existing red marrow is defective, and can't produce blood cells in sufficient quantities.

If you're a healthy adult (children relies much more on their red marrow), you should recover any red marrow losses quickly and without much complication.
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Re: Consequences of removing marrow tissue from femurs?
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2021, 05:38:07 AM »

Great response!

Please say a word on TIBIA marrow, is the aforementioned Important red marrow only present in the Femur? Does the tibia play no part whatsoever in this marrow production cycle?

If there is red marrow in the tibia, i suppose the amount is insignificant compared to the one in the femur?
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Re: Consequences of removing marrow tissue from femurs?
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2021, 09:35:47 AM »

Great response!

Please say a word on TIBIA marrow, is the aforementioned Important red marrow only present in the Femur? Does the tibia play no part whatsoever in this marrow production cycle?

If there is red marrow in the tibia, i suppose the amount is insignificant compared to the one in the femur?

The tibias have very limited red marrow, therefore they don't play a big role in blood production.

Most of your stem cell production are from the red marrow in your hip bones and spines. They are also the most varied and complete in the types of cells they produce. This is why marrow donation are usually extracted from the hip or spines.

Below are the locations of your bone marrow. Note that infants need their entire skeleton to produce stem cells because they are growing rapidly. Eventually as our bones grow, most new bone marrow are yellow (fat).

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Re: Consequences of removing marrow tissue from femurs?
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2021, 12:21:40 PM »

Its perplexing to deceive patients about dysfunctions after bone marrow removals and if removing marrow will paralyze patients without elaborations,patients will accuse them of deceits and surgeons will owe more money.

People have died. I've heard that they get something signed before they operate on their patients. You think some potential deceit accusation after 30 years worries them?
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Re: Consequences of removing marrow tissue from femurs?
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2021, 06:05:08 PM »

Yellow marrow is converted to red marrow during "life threatening" situations by the body. I'm not sure when such situations might arise. So technically you might be worse off in a situation because you have depleted some of your yellow marrow.
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Re: Consequences of removing marrow tissue from femurs?
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2021, 06:30:19 PM »

People have died. I've heard that they get something signed before they operate on their patients. You think some potential deceit accusation after 30 years worries them?
Marrow loss consequences don't have to have impacts on postoperative patients even after 30yrs.I can reckon after several months if marrow loss really played a substantial role in lethalities,patients were gonna learn this lesson.
Also,I didn't find any researches that can prove LL will warrant a high lethal rate unless you wanna still tarnish every researcher's innocences to address LL has a high fatal rate based on nothing.
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Re: Consequences of removing marrow tissue from femurs?
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2021, 03:52:22 AM »

Marrow loss consequences don't have to have impacts on postoperative patients even after 30yrs.I can reckon after several months if marrow loss really played a substantial role in lethalities,patients were gonna learn this lesson.
Also,I didn't find any researches that can prove LL will warrant a high lethal rate unless you wanna still tarnish every researcher's innocences to address LL has a high fatal rate based on nothing.

I will do CLL. You think I would want to tarnish anything? Why would I do that? I was just saying that your argument makes no sense since they get something signed beforehand
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