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[fivefivetogain]

I've been researching these methods for quite some time and never really thought of going through with it until about a few months ago. Always been an athlete so taking time off was not an option, but now I'm taking time for business reasons so I'm looking to actually man up and go ahead with it.

 I'm 5'5 dead on and really just want to be about 5'8-9. Money isn't a concern but I want the most bang for my buck without having much loss of sprint, leg strength, etc. I could easily get longer legs for a more proportional look. I'm only 24 and I would love to return to my sport...(boxing) after LL.

I'm wondering if I could possibly pull that off with internal tibias as they seem the least disruptive or would femur be the better route? I've read doctor bios and I'm looking for a recommended doctor for internal. I tried anold forum but after seeing some material and reading what was posted here I feel a bit safer putting it out there on here. All of you that have done it have true courage as it seems that might be the biggest difficulty.

Thanks

[Blackhawk]

I am planning to do LL in a couple years.  It seems like Betz and Guichet get the best results but it also depends a lot on the patient as well.

[KiloKAHN]

Hi,

With internal tibias you're going to risk permanent knee pain when they put the rods in your bone canals through the knees. Constant aches would definitely be something that would hinder your athleticism. I think the results leading to best recovery would be internal femurs along with external tibias if you were to do both. If you have the money for it now, it would probably be better to go with internal femurs. You'll recover faster from femur lengthening as opposed to tibia lengthening.

Here are some doctors that can provide what you are looking for:

Dr Birkholtz http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=137.0
Dr Paley http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=57.0
Dr Guichet - http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=131.0
Dr Betz - http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=132.0
Dr Nemer http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=62.0
Dr Lee http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=145.0
Dr Luzzi http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=70.0

[Medium Drink Of Water]

I think, for an athlete, internal femurs with Guichet will be your best bet.  He'll analyze what you're capable of now and how much you can lengthen without too much loss of athleticism.

[Blackhawk]

I tried anold forum but after seeing some material and reading what was posted here I feel a bit safer putting it out there on here.

Yeah you can't trust old forum .  You can find the honest truth about LL on this forum.

[Jean]

Don't believe anything you read on old forum . Just ask the guys who were suckered into surgery with Sarin, Sringari or Mahboubian what a mistake it was to listen to the garbage on that website!

I think Paley is the best choice for surgery whether you are an athlete or just a regular joe. Guichet's pre op training is a waste of time and money, plus it doesn't lead to better outcomes in the end.

Betz will cost you well over 100K since you will need 25k for when your Betzbone or the screws eventually break and you need a titanium nail replacement surgery. Don't forget that titanium nail replacement is a whole other surgery on your legs in addition to the trauma of the first surgery and lengthening. Meaning you can forget about ever fully recovering after all those surgeries and trauma. The Precice nail used by Paley is already made out of titanium.

I've spoken with several of Paley's patients through Skype and they are all doing great after their lengthening. No lingering pain, no problems getting back into daily activities and sports including long distance running. They also recovered much faster than any of the patients I spoke to of Dr. Guichet. 

[amatan]

3 inches is likely the upper limit of what you should do if you want to regain 90%+ athletic ability, and even then I wouldn't do that much. 4 inches on one segment is asking for trouble and I seriously doubt you'd regain the level of ability you want.   

Internal femurs have less complications, faster recovery, and more lengthening capacity than internal tibias. If you are going to do one surgery only and have the money for internals, internal femurs are the way to go.  3 inches on tibias IMO is asking for trouble and although some have had good recoveries doing this amount, many people also have not had such luck.  It is a risk. 

Otherwise, if you had the money and wanted to guarantee as much athletic recovery as possible while getting to 5'9", I would recommend doing two surgeries and doing 6cm on femurs and 4 cm on tibias. 

[KrP1]

 I think that more than 5cm in tibias may give you problems to recover athletic hability. I think that 4cm tibias and 6 femurs is the way to go if you have no money problems

[fivefivetogain]

Thanks for all the replies and information! I've noticed internal femurs seem to be most common but someone was posting about the soft tissue recovery being more complex. That is certainly a big question point.

I am only trying to do one surgery, the diaries and such that I read oh man. Plus I can't be dropping 70+ two times! I mean we never know what courage we have until we try something but this takes commitment! Internal femurs I'm not opposed to but external I don't think I got the guts for. I've read good reviews on some doctors in Dr. Xia in China (even though he doesn't do the operation?), Dr. Guichet, Paley, and I've even heard of a couple in South Korea.

Pain I can deal with, the paramount thing I want to avoid is much change in my potential post recovery life. If I wanted to do a consult, should I start with Paley since that is in the U.S. (home)? Also, will they be able to do testing or measurement to best determine which segment medically makes more sense?

Thanks again!

[alps]

Yeah you can't trust old forum .  You can find the honest truth about LL on this forum.

Well, this forum is unmoderated. That is all. People who get messed up can honestly post what happened to them.
But there is always the possibility of fake patients saying untrue good things about their doctors.

[alps]

I've spoken with several of Paley's patients through Skype and they are all doing great after their lengthening. No lingering pain, no problems getting back into daily activities and sports including long distance running. They also recovered much faster than any of the patients I spoke to of Dr. Guichet.

May I ask the sizes of your samples? How many people of each doctor?
And how did you find them?

[Adriano]

Don't believe anything you read on old forum . Just ask the guys who were suckered into surgery with Sarin, Sringari or Mahboubian what a mistake it was to listen to the garbage on that website!

I think Paley is the best choice for surgery whether you are an athlete or just a regular joe. Guichet's pre op training is a waste of time and money, plus it doesn't lead to better outcomes in the end.

Betz will cost you well over 100K since you will need 25k for when your Betzbone or the screws eventually break and you need a titanium nail replacement surgery. Don't forget that titanium nail replacement is a whole other surgery on your legs in addition to the trauma of the first surgery and lengthening. Meaning you can forget about ever fully recovering after all those surgeries and trauma. The Precice nail used by Paley is already made out of titanium.

I've spoken with several of Paley's patients through Skype and they are all doing great after their lengthening. No lingering pain, no problems getting back into daily activities and sports including long distance running. They also recovered much faster than any of the patients I spoke to of Dr. Guichet.

Wow this is your 2nd post and it is clear to me that you are promoting 1 doctor at the expense of other doctors.

what are the chances that all of Paleys patients do not suffer from knee pain and other post LL pains Or that you only happened to talk to the select group who don't suffer from any pains?

Good try mate

[crimsontide]

i was thinking the same thing...     definitely a paley troll

[Jean]

May I ask the sizes of your samples? How many people of each doctor?
And how did you find them?

I spoke with a half a dozen or more patients of each doctor, combination of Skype and in person when I had my consultations. Most patients of Dr. Guichet and Dr. Paley are doing physical therapy everyday at the Isokinetic Center in Milan or the physical therapy room at the Paley Institute. So just hanging around those areas allows you to speak with a lot of patients.

Wow this is your 2nd post and it is clear to me that you are promoting 1 doctor at the expense of other doctors.

what are the chances that all of Paleys patients do not suffer from knee pain and other post LL pains Or that you only happened to talk to the select group who don't suffer from any pains?

Good try mate

I'm not promoting one doctor over another i'm making a choice of one doctor over another after consulting with them. There's a big difference. Everything I said about the patients I met of Dr. Paley and Dr. Guichet is true. Take the time and money to consult with both doctors and you will see for yourself. I didn't even bother consulting with Dr. Betz because of the crazy amount of money so many people pay to replace their broken nails. So your good try comment is quite ridiculous.

i was thinking the same thing...     definitely a paley troll

 Are you sure you were thinking 

[fivefivetogain]

Ha well I see there are some differing opinions out there for sure. I love the fact this forum is open. This is a big life altering decision and should not be taken lightly. To exploit those of us who are most likely a bit insecure in height for profit as has been accused in the "old forum" is pure evil. We all desire something and some just take advantage of that.

I have heard good reviews and diaries from both Dr. Paley, and Dr. Guichet. However, I'm still interested in finding out about more and I think I have a good idea of which quacks to avoid  .

Does anyone know anything of Dr. Xia in China or other options besides the aforementioned two? I'm thinking of late this year or early January 2015 if the situation works. Also wondering if any doctor has more experience with athletes or at least people who partake in strenuous physical activity?

I'm just fearful that the trade off for height would be ability.