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helloworld

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Running after Limb Lengthening
« on: September 10, 2017, 11:33:58 AM »

Running speed seems the be the the best measurement of LL success, because so many LL patients are soon able to do any kind of exercise, but running remains the biggest challenge.
Could you please share your running experience?

Here some videos:
Me after 6 months:

Me after 9.5 months:

after 1 year:


after 1.5 years:

3 years post LL:


The people that I personally met are with very few exceptions doing extremely well and after 6 months able to do pretty much anything. However, they are not running or if they try they see they are not fast and it is no fun. In fact, nobody from the patients I talked to that had LL within the last year say that they are running as fast as before.
I also have seen videos from patients, and though the patient's say they can run, I am able to see that they are running in a bit unnatural way and are not fast.

Why is running hard?
Biometrics? Less muscle strength because muscle not fully recovered? Or is the muscle still stretched? Or is it because flexibility is less? Or is it because there is an implant in the legs?
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Re: Running after Limb Lengthening
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2017, 12:05:38 PM »

I can't run nowhere fast as before, it's a fact. Running downhill is even harder, it feels a bit weird but I still need to develope my leg muscles alot more. Biometrics do play a role in your running motion, therefore, running won't feel natural because you are not running with your natural biometrics. I was last operated in march so I won't be too demanding on my legs but I can already play many sports, just not at 100%.

LLSouthAmerica may shade some light in this case since he has seen alot of people doing better than you:

I have seen dozens of patients who went well better than Helloworld

Maybe he even has some videos  ::)
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Re: Running after Limb Lengthening
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2017, 05:46:40 PM »


Maybe just a matter of time, you are still feeling good now, I do not know if there is an extension of time and you almost the same person than you run faster ;D
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Re: Running after Limb Lengthening
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2017, 05:50:17 PM »


After two years to play basketball buddy seems to still not very natural :P
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Re: Running after Limb Lengthening
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2017, 05:50:59 PM »

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Re: Running after Limb Lengthening
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2017, 05:59:41 PM »

There are many variables in this issue.

The bone, the muscles, the joints, etc.

6 months is still very early. I believe you have had the best LL recovery that I have personally witnessed on here and the old forum.

The bone still has to heal and you need to remove nails, so this will still take a while.

With regard to muscle and soft tissue, it depends on whether new muscle and soft tissue grows along with the new bone or if the previous muscle tissue is simply stretched on a permanent basis.

Then you have your joints who now have to deal with a different stress than before.

I would say that it will be interesting to see if your running has improved in 2.5 years or so.

How do you feel running longer distances? Most LL running videoes are like 15 second clips.
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Re: Running after Limb Lengthening
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2017, 09:39:45 PM »


With regard to muscle and soft tissue, it depends on whether new muscle and soft tissue grows along with the new bone or if the previous muscle tissue is simply stretched on a permanent basis.

How do you feel running longer distances? Most LL running videoes are like 15 second clips.

Thanks for your encouragement.
Very interesting questions, indeed, if the muscles stretch or generate new tissue. I think over time stretching gets replaced but nobody, even not Dr. Monegal, has been able to answer me if 100% will be replaced rather than stretched and how much time it takes.

Long distances: I tire more quickly. You could think that this is just due to fact of lower cardio fitness as I do not commonly run nowadays, however, I think I have the same cardio fitness as before when biking.

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Re: Running after Limb Lengthening
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2017, 09:47:11 PM »



Maybe he even has some videos  ::)
Running videos from anybody would be nice, so that we can as a community compare, and see where to improve.
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Re: Running after Limb Lengthening
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2017, 12:34:46 AM »

I can't run nowhere fast as before, it's a fact. Running downhill is even harder, it feels a bit weird but I still need to develope my leg muscles alot more. Biometrics do play a role in your running motion, therefore, running won't feel natural because you are not running with your natural biometrics. I was last operated in march so I won't be too demanding on my legs but I can already play many sports, just not at 100%.

LLSouthAmerica may shade some light in this case since he has seen alot of people doing better than you:

Maybe he even has some videos  ::)

Actually what I meant is that I've seen dozens of patients walking and going back to normal life faster than helloworld, as soon as 3 months post op. About running I have only seen a few videos and none of them is mine. I actually have seen guys climbing mountains and water skiing 6 months post op and I personally believe that's pushing your luck a bit too far.

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Re: Running after Limb Lengthening
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2017, 12:35:29 AM »

Thanks for your encouragement.
Very interesting questions, indeed, if the muscles stretch or generate new tissue. I think over time stretching gets replaced but nobody, even not Dr. Monegal, has been able to answer me if 100% will be replaced rather than stretched and how much time it takes.

Long distances: I tire more quickly. You could think that this is just due to fact of lower cardio fitness as I do not commonly run nowadays, however, I think I have the same cardio fitness as before when biking.
The muscles and tendons are stretched. Thats why you can lengthen as much as you want, because soft tissues have a limit in stretching.

So all LLers have longer legs but with the same muscle amount. That thing and the change in biomechanics are the two reasons why our athletic abilities are decreased. Of course, if someone has extra complications (malunions, discrepancies, tenontotomies) things get even worse.
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Re: Running after Limb Lengthening
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2017, 12:37:13 AM »

Running videos from anybody would be nice, so that we can as a community compare, and see where to improve.

I've been "running" for 2 weeks and every time I keep saying to myself "starting now I will train running consciously" but I never start. That being said I may take a video some time, I might need to buy a mask first haha.
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Re: Running after Limb Lengthening
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2017, 01:46:36 AM »

Actually what I meant is that I've seen dozens of patients walking and going back to normal life faster than helloworld, as soon as 3 months post op. About running I have only seen a few videos and none of them is mine. I actually have seen guys climbing mountains and water skiing 6 months post op and I personally believe that's pushing your luck a bit too far.


You're right. Weightbearing nails are advantageous and many Guichet patients have awesome recoveries. Helloworld had extra surgeries (nail malfunction) and his running is weird but good he isn't a new Musicmaker or Unicorn who can't walk. Good and bad results for both doctors.
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Re: Running after Limb Lengthening
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2017, 03:20:56 AM »

Running speed seems the be the the best measurement of LL success, because so many LL patients are soon able to do any kind of exercise, but running remains the biggest challenge.
Could you please share your running experience?

Here some videos:
Me after 6 months:

Me after 9.5 months:

after 1 year:


after 1.5 years:

3 years post LL:


The people that I personally met are with very few exceptions doing extremely well and after 6 months able to do pretty much anything. However, they are not running or if they try they see they are not fast and it is no fun. In fact, nobody from the patients I talked to that had LL within the last year say that they are running as fast as before.
I also have seen videos from patients, and though the patient's say they can run, I am able to see that they are running in a bit unnatural way and are not fast.

Why is running hard?
Biometrics? Less muscle strength because muscle not fully recovered? Or is the muscle still stretched? Or is it because flexibility is less? Or is it because there is an implant in the legs?

Your running looks great. Honestly I could not even tell that you had leg lengthening done. You ended up with an excellent cosmetic result good luck to you.
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