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Author Topic: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?  (Read 10022 times)

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coreatine

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I am saving up $20,000 to go to Russia and get it done in the winter of 2015.
Might even be a bit earlier depending on the money I save...

If anyone has information about price and recovery time please feel free to contribute :)


Thanks in advance.
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2014, 10:32:18 PM »

Wait you're planning to do external(guessing from your price range) femurs?
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2014, 12:15:06 AM »

Wait you're planning to do external(guessing from your price range) femurs?

Yes that's correct.
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2014, 08:49:04 AM »

Don't do external femurs, you will have a hard time, and with illizavor frames there is a contracture rate of 30%.Do your tibias
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2014, 09:02:17 AM »

You mean this upcoming winter? If so when, who are u using and will u get an apt or stay in hospital?
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2014, 04:23:43 PM »

monorail LON external femur, has a contraction rate of 5%.

30% is for cages and not LON.

I agree 30% contracture rate is too high. and not worth the risk.

are they doing a proximal cut? (inserted at the hip)?
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2014, 05:28:00 PM »

You mean this upcoming winter? If so when, who are u using and will u get an apt or stay in hospital?

I am looking to go to the Illizarov center in the winter of 2015.
I don't mind staying at either of the places.
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2014, 05:29:11 PM »

monorail LON external femur, has a contraction rate of 5%.

30% is for cages and not LON.

I agree 30% contracture rate is too high. and not worth the risk.

are they doing a proximal cut? (inserted at the hip)?

Is monorail LON much more expensive than regular cage ?
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2014, 05:48:26 PM »

no it is just a different type of external frame. with an internal nail. after you finish lengthening the monorail (external part) is taken off and the internal nail is left in for the consolidation phase.

disadvantages is that it is more fragile than cages and if you don't choose a good doctor with a strong frame it could bend.

suggestion is for the first 6 weeks of lengthening to limit weight bearing to absolute minimum.
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2014, 05:58:59 PM »

You do realize that with any type of lengthening you get 100% contracture rate? You guys have no idea what you're talking about, you probably don't even know what a contracture is and how, why it occurs.
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Lengthened 7.5 cm in tibias and femurs and 3.5 cm in each humerus. Surgeries performed all external by Dr. Kulesh, in Saint-Petersburg, Russia - http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1671.0

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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2014, 06:02:03 PM »

im talking about knee contracture.

and if range of motion it not returned to normal. then you need a quadriplasty to fix it.

this is as per clinical studies.

you don't know what your talking about.
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2014, 06:17:15 PM »

Sure... And contractures, knee contractures included, are the most common complication with every single type of lengthening, and they occur due to elastic tissues being lengthened and this has like nothing to do with type of lengthening. The only thing that's unique to external femurs is the ROM limitation which you get right after the surgery, which occurs not because of the lengthening obviously, but due to the pins interacting with soft tissue. And it vanishes after frame removal.
http://actaorthopaedica.be/acta/download/2008-2/06-motmans%20et%20al.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8156696
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A progressive increase in ROM was seen after frame removal. Mean preoperative flexion was 127 degrees +/- 16 degrees, and at follow-up flexion was 122 degrees +/- 23 degrees (p = 0.191). Of the five patients who did not achieve 120 degrees flexion at the final follow-up examination, three had a diminished ROM (average, 107 degrees) at the outset. Two patients lost more than 15% of their preoperative flexion.

But you know better.
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Pre-surgery - 167 cm, Post-surgery - 181 cm
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Lengthened 7.5 cm in tibias and femurs and 3.5 cm in each humerus. Surgeries performed all external by Dr. Kulesh, in Saint-Petersburg, Russia - http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1671.0

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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2014, 10:31:14 PM »

you seem to be intellectually dead.

in essence: you used a quote from me to show me information that I don't know? I don't think you realize how silly that is. I obviously already know this because I posted it originally.

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A progressive increase in ROM was seen after frame removal. Mean preoperative flexion was 127 degrees +/- 16 degrees, and at follow-up flexion was 122 degrees +/- 23 degrees (p = 0.191). Of the five patients who did not achieve 120 degrees flexion at the final follow-up examination, three had a diminished ROM (average, 107 degrees) at the outset. Two patients lost more than 15% of their preoperative flexion

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=119.msg7062#msg7062

that is for the 14th of march 2014............... you basically inferred that I was ignorant and then proceeded to "teach me" and then posted the same link that I posted 6 months ago when I read it, not only did I already know this information, but I even have memorized it to the point where I knew it was the same link that I looked up 6 months ago.

let me school you on how you are suppose to view this scenario.

everyone develops different degrees of contracture (when they develop contracture), most then revert back(to normal) to varying degrees, some of the sample size don't revert back and need a quadriplasty. some people loose function permanently.

the point to this is that you are suppose to reduce the probability of contracture, so that you don't end up with permanent loss of range of motion.

I am going to use the dictionary because you seem to think that contracture is a loss of range of motion. while you DO LOOSE RANGE OF MOTION WHEN YOU GET A CONTRACTURE, they are 2 different things.

CONTRACTURE:
a condition of shortening and hardening of muscles, tendons, or other tissue, often leading to deformity and rigidity of joints.

A contracture develops when the normally stretchy (elastic) tissues are replaced by nonstretchy (inelastic) fiber-like tissue

Contractures are the chronic loss of joint motion due to structural changes in non-bony tissue.

I will repeat: while a contracture has a loss of range of motion, the contracture itself is not defined by the fact that there is loss of range of motion.

I will also repeat, its not possible to tell me I don't know something by posting something I posted 6 months ago. that is ludicrous.

and finally you don't know what contracture is, I hope you read what I typed and understand the subtle differences, and then actually grasp why it is important to limit contractures and that contractures DO NOT HAPPEN 100% OF THE TIME.

thank you for your time, and good luck exclide.
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2014, 09:33:12 AM »

Sure... And contractures, knee contractures included, are the most common complication with every single type of lengthening, and they occur due to elastic tissues being lengthened and this has like nothing to do with type of lengthening. The only thing that's unique to external femurs is the ROM limitation which you get right after the surgery, which occurs not because of the lengthening obviously, but due to the pins interacting with soft tissue. And it vanishes after frame removal.
http://actaorthopaedica.be/acta/download/2008-2/06-motmans%20et%20al.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8156696
But you know better.
Bilateral femurs though are torture...with one I am sure it may be bearable.
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2014, 01:52:37 PM »

The best option for femurs is monorail Lon
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2014, 02:22:02 PM »

Hello

I have read many diaries and to my knowledge it's best to do femurs with internals. As many others suggest, do your tibias. If you save up €25,000, you can do it in China with Dr. Xia. The price also includes accommodation. You can also find my cheaper options with Indian docs.
I'm not saying the Russians are bad. They are probably the best in this field. Do your tibias for less complications. Consider Dr Jamal in Kiev, who uses nails for femurs. He's the cheapest I guess.

Leo
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2014, 02:25:00 PM »

Hello

I have read many diaries and to my knowledge it's best to do femurs with internals. As many others suggest, do your tibias. If you save up €25,000, you can do it in China with Dr. Xia. The price also includes accommodation.

Leo
Some people already have really long Tibias, and yeah internals are better but the price range..
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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2014, 09:06:25 PM »

Some people already have really long Tibias, and yeah internals are better but the price range..

I agree, prices are beyond anyone would like..
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2014, 03:15:54 PM »

I agree, prices are beyond anyone would like..

How much difference are we talking about here?
Also, are there more complications with externals ?
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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2014, 07:52:09 PM »

Only pin site infections and some discomfort, complications cut down a lot if you use pure externals
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2015, 04:51:00 AM »

I am saving up $20,000 to go to Russia and get it done in the winter of 2015.
Might even be a bit earlier depending on the money I save...

If anyone has information about price and recovery time please feel free to contribute :)


Thanks in advance.

I am interested in having my LL this year in Russia, given the low price. I am planning to lengthening my tibiae but don't know which method to use. I wonder if Russia offers internal LL.
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Re: I've made my mind to do LL next winter(Femur 5.5-7cm). Whose with me ?
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2015, 05:37:41 AM »

I might be able to it by then.
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