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[Alu]

So how did you end up in this forum mister "I am happy with my height and so should you"?

Not even remotely the point buddy.... But for context: I was miserable like 3-4 Months back. But through some will power and support from family, and a therapist I've become much more stable. Sure I'm not happy with my height but consider I'm in a different ballpark from you guys 5'7 and up. I see LL as a balance between a necessity and luxury; instead of just a necessity for life.

Now, let's take the bell curve of height. As you get closer and closer to the average there are more people with that given height. So there are just as many people who are your height as there are those who are over the bell curve in SD. And guess what? Plenty of those guys are going throughout their lives not worrying much about their height. Sure you can say some might be unhappy, but my main point, which you haven't addressed (which makes me think you don't want your little safe space shattered) is that why is it more logic to break your bone then to heal your brain?

Also, Yellow it really wasn't directed at you specifically, but more as a general observation I've made. I'm sure most of the people here haven't gone to a therapy or have made an attempt to cope with their height. Which again begs my question.

[YellowSpike]

Also, Yellow it really wasn't directed at you specifically, but more as a general observation I've made. I'm sure most of the people here haven't gone to a therapy or have made an attempt to cope with their height. Which again begs my question.

Fair enough. I have a pretty good life otherwise, but I could never, ever accept the height. I've been going to therapy regularly, but I don't believe 5'8" will ever cut it for me. It's still way too borderline and I don't like having to constantly worry about the types of shoes I leave the house in and or am able to buy (for instance, I love loafers and boat shoes, but I hate wearing them because they give zero height). I mean, I do have and wear boat shoes, but I have to be extra picky and I hate it. That last inch will give me a lot more freedom.

[crimsontide]

i was in london


i did not feel short at alll


people there arent that tall in general... might be due to the  fact  that like 60% of the people in london are immigrants

though same can be said of elsewhere in europe


all these migrants are  bringing down the avg height by a few cm

[ub40]

I've been in London too and noticed that the people are very short, even the white locals. It might have to do with lack of sun and terrible diet because their relatives in Australia, Canada and the US are huge

[TIBIKE200]

Not even remotely the point buddy.... But for context: I was miserable like 3-4 Months back. But through some will power and support from family, and a therapist I've become much more stable. Sure I'm not happy with my height but consider I'm in a different ballpark from you guys 5'7 and up. I see LL as a balance between a necessity and luxury; instead of just a necessity for life.

Now, let's take the bell curve of height. As you get closer and closer to the average there are more people with that given height. So there are just as many people who are your height as there are those who are over the bell curve in SD. And guess what? Plenty of those guys are going throughout their lives not worrying much about their height. Sure you can say some might be unhappy, but my main point, which you haven't addressed (which makes me think you don't want your little safe space shattered) is that why is it more logic to break your bone then to heal your brain?

Also, Yellow it really wasn't directed at you specifically, but more as a general observation I've made. I'm sure most of the people here haven't gone to a therapy or have made an attempt to cope with their height. Which again begs my question.

1) You are in no place to decide what is the minimum height requirment for this surgery to become "luxery".

2) About the bell curve. Since 5'7 si basically at the start or somewhere after the rise of the curve, LL in this height will be the most beneficial (since right now I am shorter than 80% of men, with a 5-6cm increase I will reach the 50% which is far more noticable than a 5'4 guy reaching 5'6 or something like that.)

3) There isnt any soft spot my friend I had a good life at my current height.. But I know I will have a better one at a 5'9-5'10 It's the same "luxery" that you wish to achieve... Only that in your case you will need to lengthen longer...

[YellowSpike]

2) About the bell curve. Since 5'7 si basically at the start or somewhere after the rise of the curve, LL in this height will be the most beneficial (since right now I am shorter than 80% of men, with a 5-6cm increase I will reach the 50% which is far more noticable than a 5'4 guy reaching 5'6 or something like that.)

Agree. 5'6/5'7 are great starting heights for LL. I think in this range, you stand to gain the most (going from below average to average). I went from 5'5 to 5'8 ...a good improvement, but it's still below the 5'9/5'10" range (5'9" is the lowest acceptable height where you can mostly blend in and usually not be called or thought of as 'short')

[blendi]

I am just going to do it. 5'11-6'1 is the perfect height where you just feel average to above average . I went to the store today and felt like 7/10 people were at least taller than me. With 2 inches, I'd feel like I'm between short and tall.

[Alu]

1) You are in no place to decide what is the minimum height requirment for this surgery to become "luxery".

2) About the bell curve. Since 5'7 si basically at the start or somewhere after the rise of the curve, LL in this height will be the most beneficial (since right now I am shorter than 80% of men, with a 5-6cm increase I will reach the 50% which is far more noticable than a 5'4 guy reaching 5'6 or something like that.)

3) There isnt any soft spot my friend I had a good life at my current height.. But I know I will have a better one at a 5'9-5'10 It's the same "luxery" that you wish to achieve... Only that in your case you will need to lengthen longer...

1) That entire first paragraph was on my view point. Never did I say what height would entail LL as a luxury. (Although that would definitely be 5'10 and up for me)

2) That only mildly address the question. Why haven't you tried to see things differently? You don't really address that. I feel like you're just afraid of seeing things differently. Why "si" it that most people here don't want to seek help for this? Because in the end you're basically breaking your body for a couple of inches.

[TIBIKE200]

1) That entire first paragraph was on my view point. Never did I say what height would entail LL as a luxury. (Although that would definitely be 5'10 and up for me)

2) That only mildly address the question. Why haven't you tried to see things differently? You don't really address that. I feel like you're just afraid of seeing things differently. Why "si" it that most people here don't want to seek help for this? Because in the end you're basically breaking your body for a couple of inches.

Because that's the world we live in. I gained alot thx to my lack of height (improving my character, pushing myself to the limit) but it's time to take those things I gained to a different level (2-3 inches taller level )

[Alu]

Sure dodge the question all together, and a chance to show how not so crazy people in this forum can be. My question still applies to others though, so if anyone wants to chime in, please do so.

And to the OP. I said it, your budget is not realistic for this operation. If anything happens you'll face more problems then a broken leg.

[PatientZero]

I am just going to do it. 5'11-6'1 is the perfect height where you just feel average to above average . I went to the store today and felt like 7/10 people were at least taller than me. With 2 inches, I'd feel like I'm between short and tall.

Hey man.. what you just said didn't make sense. You're taller than 50% of the males in your country, so only 5/10 guys on the street are taller than you.

You're also suggesting that if you are 5'11 or 1 inch taller, your life will dramatically improve and your mental illness will go away. How bout some height insoles? Just saved yourself a trip to India, breaking your legs, 12 months with a torture device, and possibly escape death.

Many of the guys who come here will feel very strongly about LL for several months, but will taper off and go back to their normal lives. I think you belong to this group.

[endomorphisme]

Pretty sure this is directed at me, so I'll bite.

I would have never Googled "Limb Lengthening" if I were 5'10". I think if I were 5'9" naturally, I wouldn't have had much an issue with that either. However, at 5'8" I still feel short a lot of the time. I don't think that 5'9" would be a miraculous change where I'd never feel short ever again...that's just me compromising. I'd love to be 5'10". I honest to God think that 5'10" is the first truly "safe" height in most countries (don't care about the Netherlands because I never plan to go there, no disrespect to the lovely people there though). But at 5'9", I can still get by, mostly blend in with a good amount of other guys, and claim I'm 5'10" and not get called out for it.

5'8" at the end of the day, is still short and right below that line. Which to me is just unacceptable. And that last inch DOES make a difference. Trust me on this. I've measured the 5'8" and 5'9" marks on my wall facing a mirror, and I'd be ecstatic with 5'9" evening height. It does make a difference to me, which is the most important thing. I want to be happy. And I'm not happy at 5'8" and don't believe I ever will be.

i don't want to be offended, but i think you are a tall man in a small body, it would have been better if you were 180 cm, then you could have pushed to 185-190 cm.
I don't know what to tell you, the american average males is 175-178 cm, even if you hit 178 cm you would still feel short considering that almost half of americans are above that mark.
So 178 cm is a lot better than 173 cm, but i am almost sure you will still be unhappy, i remember how you praise tall people, thinking they are more alpha and superior.

[YellowSpike]

i don't want to be offended, but i think you are a tall man in a small body, it would have been better if you were 180 cm, then you could have pushed to 185-190 cm.
I don't know what to tell you, the american average males is 175-178 cm, even if you hit 178 cm you would still feel short considering that almost half of americans are above that mark.
So 178 cm is a lot better than 173 cm, but i am almost sure you will still be unhappy, i remember how you praise tall people, thinking they are more alpha and superior.

I have to get off this site for a while but wanted to respond to this. I don't remember saying that tall men are more alpha. I never used to get involved in those types of convos on here.

175 will make me happy because that's the most reasonable amount i can get to without complications or being out of commission for too long. Knowing I will have done all that I could at that point to get taller will be enough. 5'9 is only a pinch below average. And I have to watch my proportions and want to make a full recovery. I'm not here for an Apo type transformation involving arm lengthening. This has to stop at some point and life has to go on.

[DoingItForMe]

Let's not bicker and fight among ourselves. We're all in this together and it'd be counter productive to tell someone what to do and what not to do based on how YOU would feel at that height. Everyone lives in a different environment and background and ambition. For example, there are some millionaires who can't be happy about being millionaires and strive to be billionaires. So the same thing can be said about height. One person's dream height could be 5'9" while another is 6'. This is where the bickering can happen, because each person has a different view on what's already great.

What I do find productive to tell you guys who haven't done LL yet is how freaking expensive and painful and mentally taxing and permanently damaging it is do LL. If you're okay with that, then okay, go do it. But I hope you guys know what you're getting yourself into before you make any decisions. It's not some simple thing like getting braces. I got braces before, and that was a cakewalk compared to this. My best analogy is that LL is getting your legs beaten by a metal baseball bat for 3 months, and then being in a wheelchair for 3 more months after that, followed by relearning how to work for a few months after that. I'm not even exaggerating. That's what it feels like. If that sounds like it's worth doing to be able to wear pants that fit, then okay, who am I to judge?

175 will make me happy

You still have my support, man. At the end of the day, that's the most important part: That you'll be happy about it. Who cares what anyone else thinks is "tall enough". When it comes down to it, if that's really what's stopping you from being happy, then right on. If you still can't be talked out of it after all these months, then I don't see many more options. Plus, I know exactly how you feel. I'm 5'9" and I still wear lifts to get to 5'10", simply because I don't think I'm at the perfect height yet. If I could do what you can do and add an inch without any long term side effects, then I'd probably do it too and avoid having to wear lifts ever again. But right now, the cons outweigh the pros of being taller than 5'9".

[LookingAround]

I'm in the same boat.  I'm 5'10 and feel short often.  I think that for people who 5'10, LL in a way makes the most sense.  You only need to gain 2 inches before you are at an ideal height.  2 inches is also right around the upper limit after which people start to get problems.  2 inches also gets one from dead average to right around 80th percentile, which I think is as all tall as anyone should want to be.

[TIBIKE200]

I'm in the same boat.  I'm 5'10 and feel short often.  I think that for people who 5'10, LL in a way makes the most sense.  You only need to gain 2 inches before you are at an ideal height.  2 inches is also right around the upper limit after which people start to get problems.  2 inches also gets one from dead average to right around 80th percentile, which I think is as all tall as anyone should want to be.

Now than, at your height you might not be considered tall but you are definetly not short. Your height is the only starting height which can get you to the "magic 6", as it is called for some reason in this forum (For me the magic number is 180cm), without risking too much in terms of recovery or proportions.
  BUT, if at your height if 177 you have alot of problems with the other sex or social life or work, the problem is simply not your height. The height change might or might not give you any benefits... If it will, they will not be as much as going from short to average. Think carfully before doing it. You are missing the chance to improve yourself instead of improving your body instead.
  Anyway, best of luck with whatever path you choose

[Alu]

Let's not bicker and fight among ourselves. We're all in this together and it'd be counter productive to tell someone what to do and what not to do based on how YOU would feel at that height. Everyone lives in a different environment and background and ambition. For example, there are some millionaires who can't be happy about being millionaires and strive to be billionaires. So the same thing can be said about height. One person's dream height could be 5'9" while another is 6'. This is where the bickering can happen, because each person has a different view on what's already great.

If you're referring to me: It's not about bickering or telling someone what to do. It's more about questioning the logic in not wanting to seek out help from others, whether professional or not. Let's face it, for some it's in our heads more then others and vice-versa. Regardless of what height you stand however, I do feel that there is some value to be gained in seeking some form of help.

Taking away the points that everyone's perspective is different and lives in different places, and factoring in the point you made about LL being a last resort, I do feel that so many people here in this forum just jump into this LL-crazy train without forethought. It's a principle reason why you saw so many people go to India or Russia (some good doctors in both those places I won't deny) so readily in the old forum and look how that turned out.

In the end, the only thing I'm arguing for is for people to take a chance and try to reach a helping hand that is able to make them see the world differently. Who knows, it might even cure people's neurosis and they'll decide not to do LL: saving them huge amounts of money and their bodies. And even if it doesn't fully cure your height neurosis (I'm a testament to that, won't deny), it can at least help mend your life at the moment and carry on while you prepare for LL. There really is nothing to lose from reaching out for help.

[LookingAround]

Now than, at your height you might not be considered tall but you are definetly not short. Your height is the only starting height which can get you to the "magic 6", as it is called for some reason in this forum (For me the magic number is 180cm), without risking too much in terms of recovery or proportions.
  BUT, if at your height if 177 you have alot of problems with the other sex or social life or work, the problem is simply not your height. The height change might or might not give you any benefits... If it will, they will not be as much as going from short to average. Think carfully before doing it. You are missing the chance to improve yourself instead of improving your body instead.
  Anyway, best of luck with whatever path you choose

I really don't have a lot of problems in my life.  I'm young, healthy, earning quite a bit of money, and have a good relationship with a very cute girl.  I started college around 5'8 and grew to 5'10 by about halfway through my junior year at age 20.  I noticed those two inches made a huge difference in gaining attention from females and respect from other guys.  I think another 2 inches would pay off just as much or even more.  If only I could find out how to do it without losing mroe than 6 months of work and / or paying $120k (I'd be fine with 60-80 but 120 like Paley and Guichet require is just too much).

[TIBIKE200]

I really don't have a lot of problems in my life.  I'm young, healthy, earning quite a bit of money, and have a good relationship with a very cute girl.  I started college around 5'8 and grew to 5'10 by about halfway through my junior year at age 20.  I noticed those two inches made a huge difference in gaining attention from females and respect from other guys.  I think another 2 inches would pay off just as much or even more.  If only I could find out how to do it without losing mroe than 6 months of work and / or paying $120k (I'd be fine with 60-80 but 120 like Paley and Guichet require is just too much).

  Those 2 inches from 5'8 to 5'10 made a huge difference because you got out of the "your height is a problem" category..
 It pretty much goes like this (from my experience): 5'7-5'8 is the " a few more cm wouldnt hurt you" range. 5'9-5'10 is the "no comment neither positive or negative about height" range, 5'11+ from this range on, you get "you are tall" compliments and are considered tall by everyone around you (except the giants).
 I didnt mentioned the guys below 5'7 (maybe the 5'6 would also be part of the 5'7-5'8 range) because below this, you are short... End of story... Sorry

[Alittletooshort]

I really don't have a lot of problems in my life.  I'm young, healthy, earning quite a bit of money, and have a good relationship with a very cute girl.  I started college around 5'8 and grew to 5'10 by about halfway through my junior year at age 20.  I noticed those two inches made a huge difference in gaining attention from females and respect from other guys.  I think another 2 inches would pay off just as much or even more.  If only I could find out how to do it without losing mroe than 6 months of work and / or paying $120k (I'd be fine with 60-80 but 120 like Paley and Guichet require is just too much).

Guichet charges about 70k for everything in total (accomodation surgery etc) so he is still in your price range, now especially that the euro is on such a low level compared to the dollar. Ask Yellowspike about that I'm sure he can give you more detailed information.

[hyong]

Guichet charges about 70k for everything in total (accomodation surgery etc) so he is still in your price range, now especially that the euro is on such a low level compared to the dollar. Ask Yellowspike about that I'm sure he can give you more detailed information.

i read on the other dairies clarence? , she said it was 55000 pounds?
i have emailed guichet but have not received any response yet.

[DoingItForMe]

I really don't have a lot of problems in my life.  I'm young, healthy, earning quite a bit of money, and have a good relationship with a very cute girl.  I started college around 5'8 and grew to 5'10 by about halfway through my junior year at age 20.  I noticed those two inches made a huge difference in gaining attention from females and respect from other guys.  I think another 2 inches would pay off just as much or even more.  If only I could find out how to do it without losing mroe than 6 months of work and / or paying $120k (I'd be fine with 60-80 but 120 like Paley and Guichet require is just too much).

As someone who has been between 5'5" - 5'11" via a combination of shoe lifts and LL surgery, I can vouch for the idea that being taller even by 2 inches can make a "huge difference in gaining attention from females and respect from other guys". But also as someone who's been through the LL process and paid $100k for his 8 cm, I can also tell you that it's less worth it going from 5'9" to 5'11" and probably even more so going from 5'10" to 6' compared to going from 5'6" to 5'9". That's what these shorter guys are saying and since I have experience in those height ranges, I can tell you that it's true.

I've been through all the mental torture and stuff and even have the opportunity to go through the whole process again on my tibias to get to 6'. And even though I have almost unlimited money and don't have to work, I wouldn't do it again. So while I'm not you and aren't in the same environment as you, I personally think that you will regret doing the surgery at your height. As you already said, you're healthy and have money and have a good relationship with a very cute girl. I believe it, because at our height, it is still easy to get girls. Would it be easier to get girls at 6'? Possibly. But is it really worth it? No. No girl or guy's respect is worth putting yourself through all this torture and financial loss. I don't mean no disrespect, but it's actually crazy or stupid that you'd be willing to go through all this just to impress other people. This is where I'd agree with Alu's opinion that therapy would probably help more than LL. Because you might end up replacing sadness about your height with sadness about how regretful you are for doing this surgery and destroying your perfectly working legs because some girl doesn't think you're tall enough for her.

It tends to be younger guys like early 20s and teenagers who have this train of logic/thought. I'm not putting you down based on your age, but you might be letting your dck/shallowness do the thinking for you, and that's bad. At around that age, you haven't accomplished much and people tend to base their opinions on others by superficial features like their height. But as you get older, you'll realize that it's better to get respect from the things you do and how much money you have rather than respect for your height. And as someone who had a lot of respect at even 5'6", I can tell you that nothing is really holding you back from what you're trying to accomplish at 5'10". Use the 120k to get yourself a nice car or nicer house. You'd get way more respect from people for that than just being 2" taller.

Again, I'm not trying to put you down, but instead trying to warn you that you probably would regret doing this surgery. The returns are so small at your height that you're better off just wearing shoe lifts.

[Genetic_solutions]

Dude, 5'10 is my dream height.. Just wear elevator shoes or put insoles in your shoes....

[aspirant185]

Dude, 5'10 is my dream height.. Just wear elevator shoes or put insoles in your shoes....

Are you crazy ? To use elevator shoes  ? This will only make the problem worse because you will never end up thinking about height.

[Genetic_solutions]

Are you crazy ? To use elevator shoes  ? This will only make the problem worse because you will never end up thinking about height.

I said this because he's 5'10 and he's not short. He said his main problem is that he's into fashion and his legs are short to find fit pants. LL is definitely not for him.

[Temoc]

Isreal and Italy are both on the lower end compared to european countries. I'm 5'10 and I am below average in clubs bars or the university, it's not too bad though.
My gf calls me short from time to time even though she's only 163~.
 5'10 is below average in every european country expect spain, italy and france.

Ahm, it is also average/above in Portugal, the UK, Russia, Poland, Ukraine and most other countries. It is below average in the netherlands and some scandinavian countries but just a little.