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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: LittleWhiteMan on September 30, 2014, 04:45:12 AM
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Well... my mother still insists that I will keep growing... and my father keeps telling me to go to the gym to grow... I don't know what to do anymore. My mother is 4'10", probably 4'9" and my dad is at much 5'7", 5'6"ish. I saw my half-brother last day and he is like my dads height already though he is younger than me, he hasn't developed body hair or anythig yet. In my case, I can start growing a beard if I want, my legs are full of hair already...
Time to stop with the whining. Even if I try to convince my parents about Limb Lengthening, talking about it is like a taboo, something stupid thatthey don't want to listen to. I don't know how to convince them, also if they do decide letting me have Limb lengthening idk what would be of my life. I would need to stop high school in order to do so or something. I wanted to go to college in Buenos Aires to go chase that beautiful girl who is 5'10", probably 5'11" that I met very long time ago. Anyhow, my main question is, how do I start with this? Who could I assist in my city so they can advice my parents properly about limb lengthening and convince them that it is not really a bad idea? How can I manage to go to college in Argentina without skipping a step of my life by doing LL? That said, for how much should I go for? 6 inches? so I could be at least around my brothers and fathers height? 10 inches to be taller than my crush and/oe just be tall enough to date tall woman? 4 inches to be the average manlet and try my best to date tall women (which might work since I won't be that short anyway, 5'1" is just ridicuously short I seem like a 6th grader)?
P.S.: Something that has been bothering me as well are my extremely short feet, does anyone know a webstore about good brand shoes made for short MEN not kids? My shoesize is 6.5 which everywhere I go is cataloged as kids size... it makes me feel depressed that I am a man inside a little kid's body. As well, is there a feet lengthening procedure I could do later in my life to increase my feet by at least 0.5" inches?
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no one should ever have LL surgery before 18.
and to be honest it should rarely be done before 18-21 years old.
if your not even old enough to make the decision to drink then your not old enough to decide that LL is the right choice.
wait till your minimum 18 years old.
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my answer to everyone regardless of height. 6cm tibia 6 cm femur. after that be happy.
if your dream girl is still 3 inches taller than you bad luck. find another girl. and to be honest don't do LL for a particular girl that is not a good idea.
if you don't want to listen to my recommendation (of 6cm tibia and 6cm femur), and are happy living at 3"5 in a wheelchair for the rest of your life that is fine.
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You're 16 years old, that means you haven't stopped growing.
When I was 16 years old I was 5'3, now I'm 20 and I am approximately 5'6, a year and a half ago I was 5'5. You see what I'm saying?
Your father is right, go to the gym, play basketball, do rope jumps and don't forget nutrition. I wish my father would have known this.
Ironically he just entered the room right now and asked me to stop staring at the computer but go out and train. Yeah right, now he says that >:(
That plus will power will probably give some more inches.
My guess is, since you haven't stopped growing you can still gain a couple more inches.
LL is not for you. Not at this age. Better wait until you're 21-22. That fact that you're wondering about what your parents will think just shows that you're not mature enough for LL ( not that I am). LL is something that you should decide on your own. It's your decision, your body and your life.
Learn as much you can about it, ask a lot of doctors, get a lot of opinions but in the end it's your call.
GROWtalORdie is damn right, you have to do it for your own purposes, not for a girl or boy.
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Tell your parents to do grow hormone treatment
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You can find out right away if you are still going to grow by getting a bone age scan. Even though you're 16 it's possible you've stopped growing already. I stopped growing at age 15 just like my mom.
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You probably have stopped growing. I suggest you go see an endocrinologist, do a left hand x-ray and check your hormone levels. Listen to your dad go to the gym, to build muscle and then.. If your parents have money do LL do external tibias for 3 inches, wait to recover and do another 3 inches on your femurs with internal. That way you will become 5'7 with is an insane difference from 5'1.
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You only weight 100 pounds. See if you can be dedicated enough in the gym to put on substantial weight. If you can't be dedicated enough to keep a rigorous gym routine, the there is no way that you are ready for te routine rigors and pain of LL. An intense gym routine would be a good way to test and prepare yourself.
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You only weight 100 pounds. See if you can be dedicated enough in the gym to put on substantial weight. If you can't be dedicated enough to keep a rigorous gym routine, the there is no way that you are ready for te routine rigors and pain of LL. An intense gym routine would be a good way to test and prepare yourself.
also he has to educate himself
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I'm sorry that you didn't grow to your fathers height I know how that feels. Can I just say: your optimism and acceptance hints at a maturity that I couldn't aspire to but I know it's got to be tough.
You might grow actually but you need to see a doctor immediatly to learn of your chances and treatments. Wouldn't quit high school to do the operation and I would not do 6 inches but perhaps 6 +6 cm could be a viable option.
Your parents should understand that an increase in height would be a substantial improvement to your quality of life and it might be worth this brutal procedure. If not you need to convince them.
You are 16 years old so your crush will fade from thought eventually believe me. Sorry to say but if she really is almost 180 cm your height will be a major, most likely insurmountable in her mind. Understand that she is just another human with shallow prefernces. It is an effective mindset that anything can be achieved don't quit that thinking but to make major life decisions based on other people is detrimental don't do it. Best of luck.
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Well... my mother still insists that I will keep growing... and my father keeps telling me to go to the gym to grow... I don't know what to do anymore. My mother is 4'10", probably 4'9" and my dad is at much 5'7", 5'6"ish. I saw my half-brother last day and he is like my dads height already though he is younger than me, he hasn't developed body hair or anythig yet. In my case, I can start growing a beard if I want, my legs are full of hair already...
Time to stop with the whining. Even if I try to convince my parents about Limb Lengthening, talking about it is like a taboo, something stupid thatthey don't want to listen to. I don't know how to convince them, also if they do decide letting me have Limb lengthening idk what would be of my life. I would need to stop high school in order to do so or something. I wanted to go to college in Buenos Aires to go chase that beautiful girl who is 5'10", probably 5'11" that I met very long time ago. Anyhow, my main question is, how do I start with this? Who could I assist in my city so they can advice my parents properly about limb lengthening and convince them that it is not really a bad idea? How can I manage to go to college in Argentina without skipping a step of my life by doing LL? That said, for how much should I go for? 6 inches? so I could be at least around my brothers and fathers height? 10 inches to be taller than my crush and/oe just be tall enough to date tall woman? 4 inches to be the average manlet and try my best to date tall women (which might work since I won't be that short anyway, 5'1" is just ridicuously short I seem like a 6th grader)?
P.S.: Something that has been bothering me as well are my extremely short feet, does anyone know a webstore about good brand shoes made for short MEN not kids? My shoesize is 6.5 which everywhere I go is cataloged as kids size... it makes me feel depressed that I am a man inside a little kid's body. As well, is there a feet lengthening procedure I could do later in my life to increase my feet by at least 0.5" inches?
Mother-4'9=57 inches
Father-5'6=66 inches
Add these two together and add five to the mother's height (the equation does that since you are a male) to get 128 inches. Divide by two to get 64 inches. That is your predicted height. 95% of male offspring will this height prediction fall between 5'0 and 5'8, with 2.5% being taller and 2.5% being shorter. Your current height of 5'1 would, unfortunately, fall within that range. However, if you are farther behind in puberty than other dudes your age, you could still grow some more. Go see a pediatric endocrinologist to see if you have a growth hormone deficiency. If you don't grow, then there still are some relatively safe ways your could become up to ten inches taller.
First, get 7.6 cm of lengthening on your tibias and femurs. Second, get head implants that'll allow you to grow 5 cm taller. Finally, get some bio-alcamid ankle implants that grow another 4 cm. when all is said and done, you will be about 24 cm (or 9.4 inches) taller!
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Well... my mother still insists that I will keep growing... and my father keeps telling me to go to the gym to grow... I don't know what to do anymore. My mother is 4'10", probably 4'9" and my dad is at much 5'7", 5'6"ish. I saw my half-brother last day and he is like my dads height already though he is younger than me, he hasn't developed body hair or anythig yet. In my case, I can start growing a beard if I want, my legs are full of hair already...
Time to stop with the whining. Even if I try to convince my parents about Limb Lengthening, talking about it is like a taboo, something stupid thatthey don't want to listen to. I don't know how to convince them, also if they do decide letting me have Limb lengthening idk what would be of my life. I would need to stop high school in order to do so or something. I wanted to go to college in Buenos Aires to go chase that beautiful girl who is 5'10", probably 5'11" that I met very long time ago. Anyhow, my main question is, how do I start with this? Who could I assist in my city so they can advice my parents properly about limb lengthening and convince them that it is not really a bad idea? How can I manage to go to college in Argentina without skipping a step of my life by doing LL? That said, for how much should I go for? 6 inches? so I could be at least around my brothers and fathers height? 10 inches to be taller than my crush and/oe just be tall enough to date tall woman? 4 inches to be the average manlet and try my best to date tall women (which might work since I won't be that short anyway, 5'1" is just ridicuously short I seem like a 6th grader)?
P.S.: Something that has been bothering me as well are my extremely short feet, does anyone know a webstore about good brand shoes made for short MEN not kids? My shoesize is 6.5 which everywhere I go is cataloged as kids size... it makes me feel depressed that I am a man inside a little kid's body. As well, is there a feet lengthening procedure I could do later in my life to increase my feet by at least 0.5" inches?
Mother-4'9=57 inches
Father-5'6=66 inches
Add these two together and add five to the mother's height (the equation does that since you are a male) to get 128 inches. Divide by two to get 64 inches. That is your predicted height. 95% of male offspring will this height prediction fall between 5'0 and 5'8, with 2.5% being taller and 2.5% being shorter. Your current height of 5'1 would, unfortunately, fall within that range. However, if you are farther behind in puberty than other dudes your age, you could still grow some more. Go see a pediatric endocrinologist to see if you have a growth hormone deficiency. If you don't grow, then there still are some relatively safe ways your could become up to ten inches taller.
First, get 7.6 cm of lengthening on your tibias and femurs. Second, get head implants that'll allow you to grow 5 cm taller. Finally, get some bio-alcamid ankle implants that grow another 4 cm. when all is said and done, you will be about 24 cm (or 9.4 inches) taller!
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i though 5cm was maximum for tibia?
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Head implants? Really? He'll look like a Simpson!
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Head implants? Really? He'll look like a Simpson!
Not necessarily; the doctor who does these is surprisingly-good at concealing it. Here's a link:
http://www.asianplasticsurgeryguide.com/everythingelse/headimplant.html
These should honestly be promoted alongside LL. Say, if someone wanted to do 7 cm, you could have them do about 3-5 cm on their head and then only 2-4 cm on their legs.
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i though 5cm was maximum for tibia?
I don't think anyone ever said it was a maximum. 5 cm is more of a recommendation for the average person because it's a relatively-small increase with a low chance of complications and a short recovery time. Dr. Paley goes up to 6.5 cm on the PRECICE, and you can actually do 10 cm if you are young, fit, and healthy enough.
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get head implants that'll allow you to grow 5 cm taller.
What if someone hits you on the head and your implants crack, leaving you with a hole in your head? Lol.
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That's only for things like wanting to get a job for 1cm, having more hair up there can make you appear taller ;)
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The probelm with scalp implants is the scar that would be left behind. It would be problematic for guys who are prone to male pattern baldness.
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That's only for things like wanting to get a job for 1cm, having more hair up there can make you appear taller ;)
They can actually do about 3-5 cm.
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The probelm with scalp implants is the scar that would be left behind. It would be problematic for guys who are prone to male pattern baldness.
Rogaine is your friend lol
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head implants and ankle implants............
don't get this. it is a silly idea for any sane person.
LL is the best thing we can do to mimic puberty.
why don't we just get a breast implant and stick it under your hair and then presto your 5 inches taller........... really guys.
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Also, I'd probably forget the girl.
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head implants and ankle implants............
don't get this. it is a silly idea for any sane person.
LL is the best thing we can do to mimic puberty.
why don't we just get a breast implant and stick it under your hair and then presto your 5 inches taller........... really guys.
What's wrong with foot and head implants? They are relatively cheap (compared to ll) and you recovery very quickly--and they look pretty normal. I don't really see the downside.
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The problem I would have with head plants is that it is above you eyesight. You might appear taller to others, but you would still perceive a shortness, which is the whole point to overcome to begin with...
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True, but it would work when it comes to dating and such. But, yeah, you've got a point.
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well as pointed out head implants are above eye height which defeats their purpose, but it will also look weird as hell.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=227.0
read this thread which discusses some more points.
your running abilities will be destroyed for life if the gel is placed in your feet.
even but implants have been known to turn inside out on people. so your feet (heel) where your constant body weight is concentrated onto in terms of pressure at a multitude of angles whilst at speed will have ZERO chance for resisting this shifting.
not to mention the health risks associated with wearing high heels for too long. not to mention that this was originally exposed as a scam for not being permanent. even if it was permanent all the other health issue still apply.
the problems and long term health consequences of these 2 procedures are a mile long.
the biggest issue......... you will look like you have feet that have built in high heels..... you will look weird as hell.
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fk everyone is crazy... DO NOT YOU ALL SEE THAT I MENTIONED THAT I HAD STOPPED GROWING???? I DID GET A BONE AGE SCAN 2 MONTHS AGO AND MY KNEE PLATES WERE COMPLETELY CLOSED, I WAS ALSO IN AN HGH TREATMENT THE ONE ONE OF YOU GUYS TOLD ME THAT WASNT GOING TO WORK. I did not grow anything dueing my 2 month hgh treatment probably only a few milimeters but thats it.
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Oh sorry I didnt mention that I am done growing but I had done it in swvwral other posts. Also, pointing out that I can grow a full beard and have an average sized penis is enough to indicate that I am done growing.
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Also my main concerns were that which type of doctor can I assist to convince my parents about this procedure? And about the girl thing, tall women do date short men its all on the man hitting right on the spot but height doesnt make a difference... unless it is a whole feet which is what I am trying to Avoid. Being 5'6-7" could bring me some advantage alreay
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Man you strugle a lot, parents can't understan they never felt really short or any short....especially for men it is a major disadvantage but nowdays with sedentary jobs is not so bad, anyway talk to them thkat you need this so bad...5-6 inches will work like charm on you :) try to hit the gym for the time being
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I understand life is tough. however I already assumed you wont grow. and my opinion is still the same. you should not get LL until you are 18 years old. finish high school first.
tell your parents you are going to get it done after high school. and nothing they say will change your mind. the only question is when you will get it done.
until you are 18 keep learning on this forum, I am sure a lot of things will be learnt and new cheap professional doctors found in the next 2 years.
LL is not a decision for a kid. it is a decision that could end you up in a wheel chair for the rest of your life. if your under 18 you have no business or ability to make such a decision.
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Do the surgery while you are still growing. Very effective.
Who cares to wait until 18..what for. It only sounds mature and safe to say that. But the thing is trust me on this. That the day you hit 18 you wanna go clubbing not begin your journey to become taller
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Also my main concerns were that which type of doctor can I assist to convince my parents about this procedure? And about the girl thing, tall women do date short men its all on the man hitting right on the spot but height doesnt make a difference... unless it is a whole feet which is what I am trying to Avoid. Being 5'6-7" could bring me some advantage alreay
First off, you probably won't even have the money until you are 18, anyways (unless your parents want to pay for it). As for the doctors, that can be tricky. Most doctors aren't going to recommend leg lengthening for cosmetic reasons. You could reference them to Dr. Paley, Dr. Guichet, Dr. Betz, etc. if you were to do a consultation with them.
If I were you, I'd probably do about six inches (15 cm) of lengthening altogether--say, about 3 inches on tibias and 3 inches on femurs. If you do that and bulk up some, you'll have a tremendous increase in social respect and status. If your proportions warrant it, you are very fit, and you are willing to put up with some time and pain, you might be able to do 8 inches altogether, but that would only be if your doctor gives you the go ahead. Some people can do 4 inches per segment, but it certainly isn't for the faint of heart.
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Just do that first surgery for 7.5 and the chances for you doing another surgery is 40%.
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readrothbard had the best suggestion for your original question littlewhiteman.
take 1 of your parents to the consultation with an extremely reputable doctor.
choose the parent most partial to being swayed into agreeing.
my suggestion would be to take 1 parent only. but if you want you can take both.
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No thats not what I meant, I am not going to pay 3000 dollars on a trip + another 1000 dollars just to give my parents AN ADVICE AND RECOMMENDATION from a doctor who is on the other side of the world... that is just stupid as hell! I tried to mean someone locally, like which is the best type of doctor in my city who could advice my parents about LL or convince them. Probably an orthopedic, psychiatrist i don't know... but please don't be serious with that of go personally with the surgeons to DISCUSS with them. Well probably if I was rich and/or older it would be great but my father hates me so much already for asking him for money for all my necessities already... he does have the money though he is just miser with me.
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I don't think you understand why I said that.
unless you see a reputable LL doctor, no doctor will EVER BE ABLE TO SWAY YOUR PARRENTS.
in fact they will probably all call you mental and insecure together (doctor + parents).
the more prominent the doctor the more experience the doctor will have had in swaying people into thinking LL is a worthwhile solution and that people who are short do get discriminated against.
that would be your only chance to legitimize this to your parents.
normal doctors don't understand, and the more prominent the doctor the better he will be able to convince your parents.
yes I know its a waste of money, but you asked how you can sway your parents.
and I don't think you have a chance in hell at changing your parents mind with a normal doctor.
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Oh sorry yes I got you know... I actually experienced that with my endrocrinologist. After finalizing my HGH treatment he said that I wasn't going to be able yo grow anymore, if much 2 CM which quite depressed me and I was in front of my father and I asked him about LL and he told me that that was a completely absurd idea that it wasn't even safe... he told me to stick living my life being short and happy. fk off that guy was like 6'2" tall it is easy for him to say such babler.
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Sorry guys I was too desperate and stressed out yesterday... it actually stresses me out to see people complaining about their height when they are pretty much normal and yet want to be taller... I am shorter than average and won't mind being short average. Everywhere I go small sizes don't even fit me, and I hate how tall persons catalogize short men as 5'7" and so... as well I have been struggling with my emotions and irl issues such as school and family and friends... and even my job. I just don't know what to do with my life that's it.
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Get grow hormone therapy. You are 16 and probably can grow with that. Told this to your parents
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Oh. I havent seen that you did HGH therapy.sorry
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its all good. we all get stressed out from time to time.
at least now you know that you have LL as an option. imagine if you were 5"1 and had no idea about LL.
all you need to do is save 15K and then you will be able to get surgery for external tibia.
if your parents really don't want to fund you. try asking if they will go half. im sure 7.5K is an amount they would lend you.
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Being 5'7 is great i assume,
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I think the 10 cm is considered the maximum safe limit for subjectively-short dudes. The nail can go much higher, apparently. As for the elastic limit, I think that muscles, nerves, etc. engage in hyperplasia (production of new cells) after a certain length.
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At 5ft1 he has good reasons to convince LL Doctors to push for 4 inches on femurs +3 inch on Tibia which would make him 5ft8. Whether he can handle the recovery, time and money is another question.
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I think the 10 cm is considered the maximum safe limit for subjectively-short dudes. The nail can go much higher, apparently. As for the elastic limit, I think that muscles, nerves, etc. engage in hyperplasia (production of new cells) after a certain length.
Muscles do produce new sarcomeres to adapt to the new length. Muscle fibres also seem to stretch as well. Here is a good study about muscle adaptation http://iprmd.org/downloads/publications/boakes/muscle_adaptation.pdf.
The risk of contractures becomes much higher once 10-15% elastic limit has been passed http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364349/
Quote from the article:
"No wonder that the clinical challenges of muscle distraction and subsequent decrease of adjacent joint range of motion go in parallel with the amount of lengthening. This is reflected by histological changes after lengthening of more than 30 % of its original length [22, 116–119], as the whole muscle from origin to insertion is stretched [81]. The elastic limit of stretched muscles (strength–strain curve) is 10–15 % of the length at rest. Excessive stretch leads to plastic deformation and subsequent contractures, which commonly affect muscles spanning two joints (rectus femoris, hamstrings)."
Unfortunately nerves cannot produce new cells but only stretch thus cause nerve pain when lengthening too much and/or too fast.
Lengthening +8cm is possible per segment, provided he does rigorous PT everyday.
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Dude at 5'7 u will be ok I am 5'7 and I'm doing good
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Muscles do produce new sarcomeres to adapt to the new length. Muscle fibres also seem to stretch as well. Here is a good study about muscle adaptation http://iprmd.org/downloads/publications/boakes/muscle_adaptation.pdf.
The risk of contractures becomes much higher once 10-15% elastic limit has been passed http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364349/
Quote from the article:
"No wonder that the clinical challenges of muscle distraction and subsequent decrease of adjacent joint range of motion go in parallel with the amount of lengthening. This is reflected by histological changes after lengthening of more than 30 % of its original length [22, 116–119], as the whole muscle from origin to insertion is stretched [81]. The elastic limit of stretched muscles (strength–strain curve) is 10–15 % of the length at rest. Excessive stretch leads to plastic deformation and subsequent contractures, which commonly affect muscles spanning two joints (rectus femoris, hamstrings)."
Unfortunately nerves cannot produce new cells but only stretch thus cause nerve pain when lengthening too much and/or too fast.
Lengthening +8cm is possible per segment, provided he does rigorous PT everyday.
Do you have any idea if contractures may be avoided when passing 7.5 cm with aggressive daily PT, like that that Dr. Guichet prescribes?
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Do you have any idea if contractures may be avoided when passing 7.5 cm with aggressive daily PT, like that that Dr. Guichet prescribes?
It depends on the individual such as original femur/tibia length, muscle elasticity, nerve tightness etc..
PT should help in preventing contractures. But from my experience, muscle tightness does catch up and inevitably cause contractures with excessive lengthening. Fortunately I do not have any contractures but only muscle tightness. Physio can be a torture to loosen up the tight muscles. Physio would be very painful and demanding if a person has contractures.
It would be best if you ask Dr.Guichet's patients about his aggressive PT and its effectiveness.
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I'll add to the 5'7 crowd. Got a friend who is 171 cm and he is popular all around and get's laid like a boss even though he is almost 12 cm below the average where I live.
He's quite a looker though and an exellent dancer so that might help. Might be tough to dance after lenghtening that much tough.
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At 5-2, 5-7 sounds like heaven to me :)
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Lol I love being 5'7; I think it is near the perfect height. However, society doesn't think so, so I'm going to need some ll in order to get the chicks.
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at 5"7 you are taller than 95% of all girls.
life is very good at 5"7.
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Life starts to become movie like at 5'11. And isthisreallife.jpg at 6'1.