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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: Talljoe on August 28, 2024, 03:36:34 PM
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Hi Everyone,
I did some research and I am currently considering doing this surgery with either the Betzbone or Precise. However, I noticed that many people on this forum do not have a good opinion on Dr. Becker whilst others praise him a lot. In general, I can‘t see a reason for not using a full weightbearing nail, as it provides you with the opportunity to walk without crutches, or did I miss something? Feel free to enlighten me.
All the best
Joe
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Depends on your lengthening goals. Everything else is the same except weightbearing. Betzbone is also pricier.
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Betzbone like all mechanical nails is an obsolete crap.
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Can you maybe explain why?
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Can you maybe explain why?
Because the lengthening procedure is barbaric and painful, they don't reverse and they are prone to accidental lengthening. Also they take longer for the bone to heal.
Even though they are full weight bearing they are no much forna good magnetic nail like precise 2.
If we have again a magnetic nail with full weight bearing capabilities then betzbone and all these albizia cr*ps will cease to exist.
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Precise Max is now available in the USA. In Europe it seems that it will be available in 2025, so the price difference would be huge. It is true that betzbone tend to accidentally click on it. Dr Becker says it in a video. I am going to see how a guy I met in Germany finishes his lengthening. And then I will draw my own conclusions. At the moment, in case anyone wants to take a look, I am thinking of going to South Africa with Dr. Birkholtz. Of all the ones I have seen, along with Paley and Lee, there is sure to be another one there. They are the best in this type of cosmetic procedures. In South Africa, the prices are relatively cheaper than those of American surgeons. It is advisable to be in South Africa during the entire lengthening process.
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Because the lengthening procedure is barbaric and painful, they don't reverse and they are prone to accidental lengthening. Also they take longer for the bone to heal.
Even though they are full weight bearing they are no much forna good magnetic nail like precise 2.
If we have again a magnetic nail with full weight bearing capabilities then betzbone and all these albizia cr*ps will cease to exist.
Have you done LL with Betzbone or where did you get those fake news? I can tell you from my own experience. That it was not barbaric painful, it does not take long for the bone to heal (in fact through the early mobilization my bone has healed very good), the accidental clicks are very rare (my two hand full clicks have all been my own fault). The main benefit of the Betzbzone is that it is weight bearing. If anytime precisemax came out it will be an equal good alternative. Until that there is no choice for precise although you just want to lengthened short amounts (3-5cm) in femur
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I am going through this procedure with betzbone right now. I think it’s very good you are still mostly able to do your daily things. You are not that much restricted. I am now 1 1/2months in and just had one accidental click. Actually they can turn the nail back but by operation. But under normal conditions there shouldn’t be any need for that.
Because it’s weightbearing you can go like eat ice cream in the summer or drive with the car to somewhere. I mean you want be able to pick up heavy things but you are as near to normal as you possibly can I would say.
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Have you done LL with Betzbone or where did you get those fake news? I can tell you from my own experience. That it was not barbaric painful, it does not take long for the bone to heal (in fact through the early mobilization my bone has healed very good), the accidental clicks are very rare (my two hand full clicks have all been my own fault). The main benefit of the Betzbzone is that it is weight bearing. If anytime precisemax came out it will be an equal good alternative. Until that there is no choice for precise although you just want to lengthened short amounts (3-5cm) in femur
I have an experience of more than 20 years in LL and I'vre read diaries and speak with hundreds of LLers, except from the fact I am a veteran myself.
Everything I wrote is true, many LLers weere ruined because the albizia lengthened on its own, also many had non union or very late consolidation due to this cr*p that needs to rebreak each time the bone to lengthen.
A full weight bearing magnetic nail will not be equal to betzbone but like comparing a new car with a wagon. But still some doctors like Becker and Guichet will use it because they can earn much more money by using a cheap obsolete nail compared to a new one and still charge the same.
Precise 2 is a much better nail although not weight bearing and most LLers lengthen 7-8cm, not 5 as you said, uding it.. Stryde or Max are so much better that there can't be even a comparison.
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Hi all, I am a long time watcher…. And I had the BetzBone surgery in January 24 on my femurs. I finished lengthening in May, doing 7.2cm. I can offer no other opinions on other methods. My experience has been great, with Dr Becker , his team, the facilities and after care ( I only stayed one month under direct supervision). I am going back in Jan 25 with to do the Tibia for 5cm….. that speaks volumes about how I feel it went! I am much older (decades) than vast majority here. My bones are healing great, walking well without crutches since July.
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So far I'm only seeing good experiences. The nail seems to be working well. I'm 42 years old and I'm thinking of having it done in January with Dr Becker. But these diaries give me hope that everything will go well.
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I have an experience of more than 20 years in LL and I'vre read diaries and speak with hundreds of LLers, except from the fact I am a veteran myself.
Everything I wrote is true, many LLers weere ruined because the albizia lengthened on its own, also many had non union or very late consolidation due to this cr*p that needs to rebreak each time the bone to lengthen.
A full weight bearing magnetic nail will not be equal to betzbone but like comparing a new car with a wagon. But still some doctors like Becker and Guichet will use it because they can earn much more money by using a cheap obsolete nail compared to a new one and still charge the same.
Precise 2 is a much better nail although not weight bearing and most LLers lengthen 7-8cm, not 5 as you said, uding it.. Stryde or Max are so much better that there can't be even a comparison.
No offense but maybe things have changed in the last 20 years…. The academia is clear that early mobilization is key for the recovery and this is something what you only get with a weight bearing nail and gets even more important for longer lengthening amounts. It is also clear that a clean robust nail like the Betzbone has less risk for technical issues like the precise. I don’t say that this is likely but it can happen. It is true accidental clicks can happen but depend very much how good the nail sits in your bone. If the surgeon has done a good job you will not suffer from that much. On the other hand the betzbone is always strong and you can be sure that your lengthening amount is exactly how much clicks you have done. A magnetic nail can loose power if the resistance is getting to strong.
Therefore there are objectively more pros than cons for the betzbone. This might change when other weight bearing nails are coming out but so far the facts are very clear for me.
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Because the lengthening procedure is barbaric and painful, they don't reverse and they are prone to accidental lengthening. Also they take longer for the bone to heal.
Even though they are full weight bearing they are no much forna good magnetic nail like precise 2.
If we have again a magnetic nail with full weight bearing capabilities then betzbone and all these albizia cr*ps will cease to exist.
In what world is accidental lengthening a disadvantage? This surgery is designed to gain as much length as possible.
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https://fb.watch/uhzkdpp3xX/ (https://fb.watch/uhzkdpp3xX/)
"Since it’s release, we’ve implanted over 50 PRECICE Max nails with outstanding results—zero complications and all patients achieving full weight-bearing and lengthening."
Precise max has been 100% succeed so far. They are trying to produce more nails. At this point, I dont see any reason to choose any other nail especially in US. Probably available in Europe next year.
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In what world is accidental lengthening a disadvantage? This surgery is designed to gain as much length as possible.
Are you stupid or you really ask why accidental (which means that you can exceed the normal lengthening rate 2 or more times causing many problems in soft tissues and nerves) is a disadvantage?
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Are you stupid or you really ask why accidental (which means that you can exceed the normal lengthening rate 2 or more times causing many problems in soft tissues and nerves) is a disadvantage?
I highly doubt soft tissue problems are really that big of a deal compared to other problems you could be getting with this surgery, they eventually adapt to whatever lengthening you perform. People who whine about soft tissue issues here are probably snowflakes who can't handle simple discomfort or are not short enough to be serious about it in the first place.
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I highly doubt soft tissue problems are really that big of a deal compared to other problems you could be getting with this surgery, they eventually adapt to whatever lengthening you perform. People who whine about soft tissue issues here are probably snowflakes who can't handle simple discomfort or are not short enough to be serious about it in the first place.
Soft tissues adaptation is the biggest issue in LL otherwise we could lengthen at rates of 0,5cm oer day and use a bone graft and gain 8cm in 2 weeks.
But if you do that you will not able to walk again.
You are completely ignorant and don't know even basic staff about LL. I hope you are never do LL because you will be completely ruined.
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Depends on your lengthening goals. Everything else is the same except weightbearing. Betzbone is also pricier.
NO !... everything is different !
With clicking implants you suffer like crazy for every click... and are so many clicks !... With Precice is no pain. There are enough suffering and pain, so you don't need an extra pain to hate your life !... because that is happening with Betzbone/Gnail.
With clicking implants you cannot do reverse lengthen in case you need. For example in my case I needed to do back and forth for 20 days, so I did it because I have Precice !
Also, I know a person who got 9 cm with Betzbone and finally after 6 month of so much suffering... found they left him finish lengthening with 1.5cm discrepancy !... They didn't do the final measure and not even asked him to go to a special x-ray, CT or EOS to do the measuring...
So they just didn't care about it.... and this is malpractices !
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Precise Max is now available in the USA. In Europe it seems that it will be available in 2025, so the price difference would be huge. It is true that betzbone tend to accidentally click on it. Dr Becker says it in a video. I am going to see how a guy I met in Germany finishes his lengthening. And then I will draw my own conclusions. At the moment, in case anyone wants to take a look, I am thinking of going to South Africa with Dr. Birkholtz. Of all the ones I have seen, along with Paley and Lee, there is sure to be another one there. They are the best in this type of cosmetic procedures. In South Africa, the prices are relatively cheaper than those of American surgeons. It is advisable to be in South Africa during the entire lengthening process.
Precise Max is not available in South Africa or?
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I dont think so. Dr Birkholtz work just with precise 2. But he is a very good surgeon and the priice is very good. Thursday i have one meeting via zoom. Im excited 🤗
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Precise Max is not available in South Africa or?
Probably not before 2025.
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Soft tissues adaptation is the biggest issue in LL otherwise we could lengthen at rates of 0,5cm oer day and use a bone graft and gain 8cm in 2 weeks.
But if you do that you will not able to walk again.
You are completely ignorant and don't know even basic staff about LL. I hope you are never do LL because you will be completely ruined.
I see no reason or evidence soft tissues cannot adapt to extensive lengthening over longer periods of time. If you provided me with a study, I would definitely read it and make up my opinion accordingly. Otherwise, it is just fearmongering.
And yes, I plan to lengthen way over 16 cm in the span of couple years, so I don't live with regret of losing massive amount of money to become just slightly below average or average height.
People here who seriously consider lengthening 5 cm or so are hilarious, your life experience won't change in the slightest. And even if you do full 16 cm, it doesn't matter if you are like 5'1 or so, you will still be the short guy anywhere in the West, so you are just wasting your time and effort.
For really short people every inch counts and the shorter you are, the more you are willing to look past "muah my legs are 0.005 percent longer than my torso now" or "oh no i can't run a marathon in under 5 hours ahhh". Honestly, anyone who cares about proportions or biomechanics too much is either privileged enough not to be short enough or is just not serious about this surgery at all.
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I see no reason or evidence soft tissues cannot adapt to extensive lengthening over longer periods of time. If you provided me with a study, I would definitely read it and make up my opinion accordingly. Otherwise, it is just fearmongering.
And yes, I plan to lengthen way over 16 cm in the span of couple years, so I don't live with regret of losing massive amount of money to become just slightly below average or average height. People here who seriously consider lengthening 5 cm or so are hilarious, your life experience won't change in the slightest. And even if you do full 16 cm, it doesn't matter if you are 5'1 or so, you will still be the short guy anywhere in the West.
What are the longer periods of time? 16cm in 3 months?
Most people have bad knee rom with 7-8cm on femurs in 3 months without itb release and you talk for much more and you need evidence for something that is common knowledge.
You can try yourself 16 cm on femurs, go to Turkey or India where are willing crooks to do it. And write a diary to share your experience. If you dare.
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What are the longer periods of time? 16cm in 3 months?
Most people have bad knee rom with 7-8cm on femurs in 3 months without itb release and you talk for much more and you need evidence for something that is common knowledge.
You can try yourself 16 cm on femurs, go to Turkey or India where are willing crooks to do it. And write a diary to share your experience. If you dare.
No, probably no one can gain 16 cm safely in 3 months. What I meant by that is you let the bone consolidate after doing 8 cm and then wait 1-1.5 years before you re-break and lengthen it again.
I will. I've just realized I may be still growing, so probably it will happen later than I initially planned (as I believe it is better to wait till your growth plates are already closed).
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No, probably no one can gain 16 cm safely in 3 months. What I meant by that is you let the bone consolidate after doing 8 cm and then wait 1-1.5 years before you re-break and lengthen it again.
I will. I've just realized I may be still growing, so probably it will happen later than I initially planned (as I believe it is better to wait till your growth plates are already closed).
Have you ever heard about biomechanics?
Also, have you ever seen anyone do 16cm on one segment? Do you believe that you are the only who have thought this or the only one that needs that extra height?
16 cm in one run or two or three is feasible for the bone but even if soft tissues will catch up (which they won't), the biomechanics will be so ruined that you may not even able to walk at all.
But you could try it and see on your own.
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I think that 8 cm for femur and 5 cm for tibia is the maximum range. Above you can go in a wheelchair. When I read the experiences of others, problems often start from 5 cm on femur and 4 cm on tibia.
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I think that 8 cm for femur and 5 cm for tibia is the maximum range. Above you can go in a wheelchair. When I read the experiences of others, problems often start from 5 cm on femur and 4 cm on tibia.
Not every person is the same. Things like starting height and flexibility increase the limit. The tibia or femur extension of someone who is 1.70 cm tall and someone who is 1.60 cm tall will not be the same.
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Have you ever heard about biomechanics?
Also, have you ever seen anyone do 16cm on one segment? Do you believe that you are the only who have thought this or the only one that needs that extra height?
16 cm in one run or two or three is feasible for the bone but even if soft tissues will catch up (which they won't), the biomechanics will be so ruined that you may not even able to walk at all.
But you could try it and see on your own.
Lots of people here mean very different things when they talk about "biomechanics". What do you mean by that? Is it the angle shift? I don't see a problem with that according to my calculations, it is marginal at best. Otherwise, no one really cares for how "perfect" your movements are because your femurs or tibias happen to be longer. There are tons of people with various variations.
Furthermore, do you know that in case the soft tissue doesn't catch up there is a release surgery designed specifically for that? You probably do, even some people on this forum got it done.
To sum it up, I don't see any reason at all why you can't relengthen the same part after consolidation. The procedure is exactly the same anyways.
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Lots of people here mean very different things when they talk about "biomechanics". What do you mean by that? Is it the angle shift? I don't see a problem with that according to my calculations, it is marginal at best. Otherwise, no one really cares for how "perfect" your movements are because your femurs or tibias happen to be longer. There are tons of people with various variations.
Furthermore, do you know that in case the soft tissue doesn't catch up there is a release surgery designed specifically for that? You probably do, even some people on this forum got it done.
To sum it up, I don't see any reason at all why you can't relengthen the same part after consolidation. The procedure is exactly the same anyways.
Won't continue this stupid conversation.
If you believe you can gain 16cm in femurs and be fine then just do it. I'll wait to see your results.
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Won't continue this stupid conversation.
If you believe you can gain 16cm in femurs and be fine then just do it. I'll wait to see your results.
You haven't provided a single argument on why it's not possible, except for lack of people who have done it. This is not an argument.
Yes, you can argue it is going to be exponentially harder with PT and stretching, and may end up with increased rate of complications (the vast majority of them: nonunion, nerve pain, etc. being fairly treatable!, btw), but it is a long shot from impossible. To argue something is impossible, the burden of proof is on you.
If there are people who have gained 12 cm on femurs in a single surgery, it implies it is at least possible to get 16 cm with two surgeries.
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Fine u r correct you are true u can lengthen 16 cm by two surgeries in the femurs
But no one have done it before maybe patients with actual high dwarfism
So go and do the 16 cm and make a diary I would like to find how will you do
If you didn’t get complications and started walking good
I will do the same
But we have a problem who is the surgeon in the world who will do that for you
And if he accepted will you feel safe in his hands
Lmfoa
+ u will remove a nail and then insert it again at the same bone femur if u done precice or betz
But if you did externals the will be removed then after a year back again
(Lon and lizarov too) you will be having more and more nails getting outside and inside your bone
All this trauma in your bones for something u can avoid by just doing another 8 in the tibia this 8 is considered for many surgeons as impossible done in one go
Cuz the Achilles tendon and u break 2 bones :tibia and febula
But for many other surgeons it is possible and way better to do 4 cm in tibia after a year do another 4
You well get complications but not that bad
So thats 8 from tibia
Come back and do the femur u can do the 8 in one go
Or divide it as you wish
Lengthening only from one bone 16 cm is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of
Just to let u know
The body contains cells a group of cells makes tissues
Tissues make an organ and organs work in systems
The systems work to maintain the body
U aren’t a bone only
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Fine u r correct you are true u can lengthen 16 cm by two surgeries in the femurs
But no one have done it before maybe patients with actual high dwarfism
So go and do the 16 cm and make a diary I would like to find how will you do
If you didn’t get complications and started walking good
I will do the same
But we have a problem who is the surgeon in the world who will do that for you
And if he accepted will you feel safe in his hands
Lmfoa
+ u will remove a nail and then insert it again at the same bone femur if u done precice or betz
But if you did externals the will be removed then after a year back again
(Lon and lizarov too) you will be having more and more nails getting outside and inside your bone
All this trauma in your bones for something u can avoid by just doing another 8 in the tibia this 8 is considered for many surgeons as impossible done in one go
Cuz the Achilles tendon and u break 2 bones :tibia and febula
But for many other surgeons it is possible and way better to do 4 cm in tibia after a year do another 4
You well get complications but not that bad
So thats 8 from tibia
Come back and do the femur u can do the 8 in one go
Or divide it as you wish
Lengthening only from one bone 16 cm is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of
Just to let u know
The body contains cells a group of cells makes tissues
Tissues make an organ and organs work in systems
The systems work to maintain the body
U aren’t a bone only
You can find the right surgeon without telling him how much you are planning to lengthen. Most doctors allow you to operate on the same bone after it's consolidated from the first surgery. After the operation, only you decide how much you are going to lengthen. They can't do anything about it, it is your money and you paid for the full thing.
My goal is to do the first surgery in 2025 (assuming I've stopped growing), and then wait a year or so for consolidation till I am allowed to repeat. I am probably going to do this using Precice, as it is currently considered the safest. And yes, I am going to write a detailed scientific diary as my case should be of great importance to the LL community as a whole.
I am still researching the part on how soft tissues adapt to lengthening, and even though there aren't a lot of studies on that, I couldn't manage to find anything that refutes the claim that tissues can and do adapt. See this study, for example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9167625/. However, we still need new studies for how well soft tissues adapt at larger lengthenings over 10+ cm.
Looks like I am the most determined person on this forum, after all lol.
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Ok u paid for the first surgery
Then you consolidated which takes a 1.5-2years
U need to fully consolidate so that they can remove the precice nail
Then u removed the nail
Went to another doctor cuz the same one will probably refuse
U went to another one to plant a new precice nail again in your femur
All of that to get 16 cm from the femurs
u gonna pay the exact same amount for doing the femur and tibia and getting the 16 cm
And it will be safer
Work smart not hard
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Ok u paid for the first surgery
Then you consolidated which takes a 1.5-2years
U need to fully consolidate so that they can remove the precice nail
Then u removed the nail
Went to another doctor cuz the same one will probably refuse
U went to another one to plant a new precice nail again in your femur
All of that to get 16 cm from the femurs
u gonna pay the exact same amount for doing the femur and tibia and getting the 16 cm
And it will be safer
Work smart not hard
Yeah if you are talking about me specifically, then yes. But I am talking about if someone also wants to repeat the same procedure on the tibias. Thus, theoretically it is possible to gain the maximum of 28 cm lengthening. 16 (8+8) cm femurs, 12 (6+6) cm tibias.
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Yeah if you are talking about me specifically, then yes. But I am talking about if someone also wants to repeat the same procedure on the tibias. Thus, theoretically it is possible to gain the maximum of 28 cm lengthening. 16 (8+8) cm femurs, 12 (6+6) cm tibias.
We are awaiting for.you to be the first man in the world to get 28cm of lengthening or at least 16cm on femurs.
Too bad it won't happen and you just keep posting here nonsense.
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We are awaiting for.you to be the first man in the world to get 28cm of lengthening or at least 16cm on femurs.
Too bad it won't happen and you just keep posting here nonsense.
You seriously think no one has ever done 28 cm of lengthening? What about people with dwarfism on the Paley study? These people have done 25+ cm successfully, rendering your statement useless.
Given that I don’t have dwarfism in particular, I probably will be the first one with over 20 cm lengthening. And I can assure you it will happen as I refuse to live my life with regret, so don’t worry about this one.
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You seriously think no one has ever done 28 cm of lengthening? What about people with dwarfism on the Paley study? These people have done 25+ cm successfully, rendering your statement useless.
Given that I don’t have dwarfism in particular, I probably will be the first one with over 20 cm lengthening. And I can assure you it will happen as I refuse to live my life with regret, so don’t worry about this one.
We are talking about normal people, not dwarves.
Ok, I will await for seeing you achieving 20cm. Good luck with that.
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I am waiting too
Plz if u did it make a diary I’ll support u as u go through
But trust me doing all of this it will take more effort and time at least 5-6years to be normal
And also money
+ good luck finding a reputable surgeon
Its your body do whatever u want with it but search before u do anything
And ask many surgeons if your plan is feasible without jeopardizing your health (I doubt that but I am not a doctor )
But trust me I don’t know your height but if you will reach the average height by doing 8 -16
No need to do more
Trust me
After reaching the average its all about different aspects not only height
Like personality and how successful are u in your life and career
How fit u are
All these things
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You cannot extend one bone by 16 cm. You can extend the tibia by 4 cm and the femur by 4 cm, and after a minimum of a year, you can extend the tibia by 4 cm and the femur by 4 cm again.
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You cannot extend one bone by 16 cm. You can extend the tibia by 4 cm and the femur by 4 cm, and after a minimum of a year, you can extend the tibia by 4 cm and the femur by 4 cm again.
The question is why would you stop lengthening at 4 cm, if the maximum safe amounts are 8 cm and 6 cm, respectively? The maximum you can gain is 28 cm from this surgery if you repeat that after a minimum of one year.
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The question is why would you stop lengthening at 4 cm, if the maximum safe amounts are 8 cm and 6 cm, respectively? The maximum you can gain is 28 cm from this surgery if you repeat that after a minimum of one year.
Then why not repeat it again after a hear and gain another 14cm? And then in another yeat for another 14cm? And get a total of 56cm?
Really, you can't be that stupid. You are trolling.
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Then why not repeat it again after a hear and gain another 14cm? And then in another yeat for another 14cm? And get a total of 56cm?
Really, you can't be that stupid. You are trolling.
Again, I am not an idiot to argue for anything over 30 cm. Where have I done that? My analysis is based on the most probable maximum gain, and the highest anyone has done in two surgeries is around 30 cm for people with dwarfism, and 20 cm for people without (there is a guy on this forum who lengthened his femurs by 12 cm and some Apotheosis who lengthened 20 cm in total).
So if there are people who achieved these lengthenings, it IS possible. And if there are known cases of people achieving that in two surgeries, naturally the assumption is you can achieve the same lengthening (and slightly larger, but not exceeding the safe limits of 8 cm, 6-7 cm respectively on a single set) with four surgeries.
You can lengthen 20 cm without crippling yourself, see Apo case. It's just that you have to go slow with the lengthening. In fact you can lengthen more like many dwarfs do, like 30+ cm over several surgeries (for example, lengthen femurs by 7.5 cm, then in a year lengthen tibias by 7.5, then again do femurs 7.5 and finally tibs 7.5). You obviously don't want to lengthen that much because of body proportions.
Even yourself acknowledge that larger lengthenings are possible although doing so may result in higher complications:
It is achievable but you'll end up a cripple or someone with very limited functionality.
If someone does not want to walk again he could lengthen even 25 cm.
You may be overly skeptical because you haven't heard of anyone doing four surgeries without dwarfism, and that's perfectly ok someone has to be the first one, but it doesn't disprove anything I've written. If you think I am trolling, please refute my logic instead of resorting to assume I am not arguing in good faith, otherwise this discussion is pointless.
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Your tendons, muscles and nerves will burst at 28 cm. You'll end up in a wheelchair.
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Your tendons, muscles and nerves will burst at 28 cm. You'll end up in a wheelchair.
No, they won’t, I am giving enough time for them to adapt before undergoing additional surgery. Please provide any sources that soft tissues don’t adapt at higher lengthenings. If I was going to do that in a single surgery, it would be a problem. Yet I am waiting a whole year after consolidation to ensure my soft tissues heal completely. If they didn’t, I will have another release surgery.
I won’t back down at any point until I’ve done exactly 28 cm regardless of any complications and circumstances. I already have chronic pain and at this point I don’t care about any of that, for the rest of my life I wish to be tall and will do anything however long it takes to achieve that.
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Do it and them tell us. Dont waste your time saying what you want to do. But is too much
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NO !... everything is different !
With clicking implants you suffer like crazy for every click... and are so many clicks !... With Precice is no pain. There are enough suffering and pain, so you don't need an extra pain to hate your life !... because that is happening with Betzbone/Gnail.
With clicking implants you cannot do reverse lengthen in case you need. For example in my case I needed to do back and forth for 20 days, so I did it because I have Precice !
Also, I know a person who got 9 cm with Betzbone and finally after 6 month of so much suffering... found they left him finish lengthening with 1.5cm discrepancy !... They didn't do the final measure and not even asked him to go to a special x-ray, CT or EOS to do the measuring...
So they just didn't care about it.... and this is malpractices !
Hi, old thread but can you be more specific why clicking nails are much more painful than precise? Is that only because of the clicks or something else? And why are clicks painful to begin with?
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Again, I am not an idiot to argue for anything over 30 cm. Where have I done that? My analysis is based on the most probable maximum gain, and the highest anyone has done in two surgeries is around 30 cm for people with dwarfism, and 20 cm for people without (there is a guy on this forum who lengthened his femurs by 12 cm and some Apotheosis who lengthened 20 cm in total).
So if there are people who achieved these lengthenings, it IS possible. And if there are known cases of people achieving that in two surgeries, naturally the assumption is you can achieve the same lengthening (and slightly larger, but not exceeding the safe limits of 8 cm, 6-7 cm respectively on a single set) with four surgeries.
Even yourself acknowledge that larger lengthenings are possible although doing so may result in higher complications:
You may be overly skeptical because you haven't heard of anyone doing four surgeries without dwarfism, and that's perfectly ok someone has to be the first one, but it doesn't disprove anything I've written. If you think I am trolling, please refute my logic instead of resorting to assume I am not arguing in good faith, otherwise this discussion is pointless.
what about your wingspan?
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what about your wingspan?
It’s 5’7. I don’t care about wingspan at all, and even if I did I’d lengthen my arms also.
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It’s 5’7. I don’t care about wingspan at all, and even if I did I’d lengthen my arms also.
Youre quite ınteresting, im standing at 5'7 with 5'9 wingspan and i would love to be not average but tall after LL too
I was thinking about pushing 10 cms in femurs lately
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Youre quite ınteresting, im standing at 5'7 with 5'9 wingspan and i would love to be not average but tall after LL too
I was thinking about pushing 10 cms in femurs lately
Yeah, for 10 cm you don’t have to worry about wingspan at all, this only becomes somewhat a problem if someone lengthens over 15 cm
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Yeah, for 10 cm you don’t have to worry about wingspan at all, this only becomes somewhat a problem if someone lengthens over 15 cm
but i fear losing too much mobility after 10 cms, i dont see patients lengthening that much often
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but i fear losing too much mobility after 10 cms, i dont see patients lengthening that much often
You will. And too long femurs are not aesthetic either.
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You will. And too long femurs are not aesthetic either.
İ will lengthen tibias too later
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You will. And too long femurs are not aesthetic either.
He won’t lose mobility he may take more time to recover
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He won’t lose mobility he may take more time to recover
Says who? Someone like you who want to lengthen 28cm?
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Says who? Someone like you who want to lengthen 28cm?
What I mean by losing mobility is literally inability to move in a certain direction, and it’s mostly caused by ruptures of tissue and nerve damage. With 10 cm, it is highly unlikely you will get any permanent damage that couldn’t heal on its own.
Also, it is not crazy to lengthen 28 cm if done in stages and giving enough time, period. I am not arguing doing it in a year lol, can we stop that?
As far as the theory goes, your bones can lengthen indefinitely but soft tissues have a breaking point beyond which you can only hope for a graft, and that’s around 30 cm. You can’t really exceed it much however many surgeries you do. So here you go, the max limit for LL should be there also.
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What I mean by losing mobility is literally inability to move in a certain direction, and it’s mostly caused by ruptures of tissue and nerve damage. With 10 cm, it is highly unlikely you will get any permanent damage that couldn’t heal on its own.
Also, it is not crazy to lengthen 28 cm if done in stages and giving enough time, period. I am not arguing doing it in a year lol, can we stop that?
As far as the theory goes, your bones can lengthen indefinitely but soft tissues have a breaking point beyond which you can only hope for a graft, and that’s around 30 cm. You can’t really exceed it much however many surgeries you do. So here you go, the max limit for LL should be there also.
How much should tibia be lengthened?
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How much should tibia be lengthened?
The maximum safe amount in a single segment is no more than 6 cm, however you can get up to 12 cm maximum if you do rebreaking after 1.5-2 years.