Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: ebook12345 on May 14, 2024, 06:59:56 AM
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Hello,
I just had bone lengthening surgery and am lengthening my tibia.
my height: 172.5 cm
arm span: 174-175cm
sitting height: 90cm
I want to raise tibia by 7 cm and femur by 8 cm.
final height 187.5cm
the only question is whether the proportions will become so ridiculous that I will look like a dwarf on stilts.
The guy from lifeLiveTaller lengthened his legs by 20 cm and, honestly, it's a little noticeable, but the profit is so big that it outweighs the costs.
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6 inches is too much and it's not only about looking uncanny post lengthening but more importantly losing your function for many years if not permanently.
If you insist on lengthening that much, the final outcome depends on your leg to body ratio. If your leg to body ratio exceeds 0.51, you will look like dwarf on stilts.
Even I, who have very short legs and very big trunk, will look uncanny after 12 cm of lengthening as my leg to body ratio will exceed 0.51.
IMO, no living man can look good nked after 12 cm of total lengthening unless he had comically short legs to begin with. And Sedat from LLT had very short and bowed legs, it was a disability, he was not normal, that's why he looks good after 20 cm of lengthening, but no normal man will look good after even 15 cm of lengthening, 20 cm is just insane.
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Is the leg-to-body ratio measures from the ground to the protruding hip bone?
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No, it measures from outer ankle to femoral head. It's very hard to measure exactly without taking x-rays. Basically, it's the same as femur bone length + tibia bone length. If you measure your femur and tibia bone lengths (including their heads from both ends) on x-rays, you will get your exact leg length.
My tibia is about 35 cm, so femur in theory should be 43-44 cm. So, my total leg length is anywhere between 78-79 cm. Measuring femur bone without x-rays is very hard, I just multiply my tibia length to 1.25 (in accordance to 0.8 tibia / femur ratio) and get about 43-44 cm. Now, there are some men who have very short femurs, closer to their tibia length. I don't think I have that short femur as I feel that my tibia / femur ratio is very close to 0.8.
Now, 78 / 165 = 0.4727 and 79 / 165 = 0.4787.
If I lengthen 12 cm total at 78 cm current leg length, it will become (78 + 12) / 177 = 0.5084 and if I lengthen 12 cm total at 79 cm current leg length, it will become (79 + 12) / 177 = 0.5141.
As you can see, if my leg length is 79 cm, 12 cm lengthening is already pushing it as my leg to body ratio will exceed 0.51.
For me, the limit is 11 cm total lengthening before I start to look uncanny nked.
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According to this formula:
stature = 38.94 + 2.95 x femur length
165 cm = 38.94 + 2.95 x femur length so my femur length should ideally be 42.73 cm so very close to 43 cm.
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And, according to this formula:
Height (cm) = 123 + 1.24 X tibial length (cm)
My tibia length should be 165 cm = 123 + 1.24 x tibia length so it should be 33.87 cm, again, very close to 35 cm measurement I made by myself.
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femur: 44,56cm
tibia: 34,67 cm
add: 44,56 + 34,67 = 79,23
my height: 172.5cm
ratio legs to all height: 0,4593
Ratio tibia vs femur: 0,7782
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There's no way you're 7.5 cm taller and have exact same tibia length as me and just 1-1.5 cm more femur length.
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idiot, I have x-rays, not your measurement with a ruler.
your talk is worthless.
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That's a great explanation, I am also 165 with 38 cm tibias and 43 cm femurs,(got xrayed) , planning to get quadrilateral 12 cm, it'll become 93/177 = 0.525, my leg to body ratio will go high.
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IMO stick to 10 cm for better recovery and proportions. Solid 175 cm is enough for a man. Additional 2 cm will not make that much difference TBH. It will just make the recovery much harder though.
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OK, thanks for the answer, very informative.
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Be careful with 7cms on tibias, big chance of permanent damage. 5 cms is much safer and you would still be pretty tall at over 185.
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I started lengthening my tibia. my goal is 6-7cm.
Keep fingers crossed.
https://imgur.com/a/qofeVO1
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Good luck! Are you planning to follow with femurs right after recovery, or quadrilaterally, or when? I'm considering quadrilateral and that's why I'm asking
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What clinic?
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I started lengthening my tibia. my goal is 6-7cm.
Keep fingers crossed.
https://imgur.com/a/qofeVO1
Wow, I've got so many questions.
Where are you getting the surgery? What's the clinic? Dr's Name? How much does it cost you? How many Stages does your procedure have?
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some guy already lengthen that much with limbplastix
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6zhv7lvn1E/
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I understand that i will not proportions but gain is more.
The best height is 6.1 and 6.2.
Find video in YT when girls rejected short guys.
We do only for womans.
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dominikochal:
WTF man, you think that if a man is not 6'1 or 6'2 he is miserable with women? Where do you live? I know that women prefer tall guys but you paint such a picture as if you don't reach 6'1 with double LL, it's not worth it but it's not true. That guy who got crippled at Yuksel Yurttas probably also thought that way and that's why he did LL at 5'11 and wanted to reach 6'1. He probably thinks the same way and attributed his lack of success with women to his height (at least partially, but in reality height was not his issue at all).
You and others who think that way sound very delusional and think that all the men around the globe who fall between 5'7-5'11 struggle with women and only 6'1 and taller guys have no issues with them. I see many 5'7, 5'8 and 5'9 men in the streets with all kinds of women imaginable (short, tall, skinnny, curvy, blonde, brunette, etc.).
Imagine Jason Statham without fame and money, do you think he would struggle with women at his height of 5'8-5'9?
Now, below 5'7 is legit handicap for majority of men, no matter how good looking and athletic he might be. IMO strong 5'8 is enough for good looking and fit men in order not to be handicapped in dating. More is better but I prefer not to exceed 9 cm in total and settle at 174 cm rather than become crippled and reach 178-180 cm.
Now, you might say that Jason Statham would be jerking off in his home if he wouldn't be famous and reach because he's not 6'1 and hovers over 5'8. That's up to you to believe that. I see many men around Jason's height who look very masculine and well groomed & dressed who don't give a fk about being average height because they got other attributes of manliness that attract women and they know it.
If I was at least strong 5'8 I would never consider this surgery (even for one segment), but at 5'5 things are really hard and I'm going to gain at least 9 cm in two surgeries. I'm not willing to lengthen my femurs for 8-9 cm due to proportions and biomechanics, that's why I'm splitting that amount in two segments in two surgeries.
I bet that if a man at 5'8-5'9 range is unable to attract women, he won't be able to attract them at any height above it.
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I bet that if a man at 5'8-5'9 range is unable to attract women, he won't be able to attract them at any height above it.
It's not a matter of your faith, fool, but of scientific research.
There is a study that checks that if the only factor was height, a guy with a height of 170 has 25% acceptance (3/4 of women will reject him), while a man with a height of 180 will have about 75% acceptance (1/4 of women will only reject him).
So I don't give a damn about your faith. Research counts.
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Keep believing that when you become 5'11 75% of women will accept you.
At 5'8 if a man has decent physique and is very handsome, he can have much better dating life than average looking, narrow framed 6 footer.
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It's not a matter of your faith, fool, but of scientific research.
There is a study that checks that if the only factor was height, a guy with a height of 170 has 25% acceptance (3/4 of women will reject him), while a man with a height of 180 will have about 75% acceptance (1/4 of women will only reject him).
So I don't give a damn about your faith. Research counts.
If the only factor was height? But in real world it isn't, is it? ;) I can confirm as a 5'8 guy who has other things going for me besides height, that women on average are more attracted to me than most guys I know, who usually are taller than me. I'm sure if I was few inches shorter it would be more challenging. I "almost" feel the effects of height, but not quite. I totally get why men shorter than me can be obsessed about getting LL. But a guy who is 5'7 - 5'11 if he has spent enough time outside his room and done some work on himself, should know that at least height in this range is not the crippling factor that some people on internet want to pretend it is. It's too convenient to blame everything in your life on something that you have no control over (unless again you are truly short).
That being said, good luck to your LL, surely your results will be awesome. I would also take it a bit easy on the goals especially for tibia. Will be following your journey and what effects you will find on the other side once you've recovered, since we have the same starting height!
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https://i.looksmax.org/attachments/2022/07/2973478_5883258F-07BD-4704-99D9-31F34A21BC33.jpeg (https://i.looksmax.org/attachments/2022/07/2973478_5883258F-07BD-4704-99D9-31F34A21BC33.jpeg)
187 or nothing, bro. :D
Meanwhile, there are guys ranging between 173-178 who never think about getting this surgery because they don't need it to get women.
But, 165 guys have legit reasons to consider getting at least one LL of 8 cm, preferably 10-11 cm quadrilateral.
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https://i.looksmax.org/attachments/2022/07/2973478_5883258F-07BD-4704-99D9-31F34A21BC33.jpeg (https://i.looksmax.org/attachments/2022/07/2973478_5883258F-07BD-4704-99D9-31F34A21BC33.jpeg)
187 or nothing, bro. :D
Meanwhile, there are guys ranging between 173-178 who never think about getting this surgery because they don't need it to get women.
But, 165 guys have legit reasons to consider getting at least one LL of 8 cm, preferably 10-11 cm quadrilateral.
OMG that cartoon, best thing today!
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lol the cartoon reminds me of the mirnee guy posting. talks like him but without the lesbians part.
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Gentlemen, if this picture were reality, this forum would not exist. We all know that height is as important as a pretty face or muscles.
This picture, even more so here, is stupid.
Today I am 0.6cm taller. I still have 5.4-6.4cm left - keep your fingers crossed.
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Gentlemen, if this picture were reality, this forum would not exist. We all know that height is as important as a pretty face or muscles.
This picture, even more so here, is stupid.
Today I am 0.6cm taller. I still have 5.4-6.4cm left - keep your fingers crossed.
I am a person that wants 7cm on the tibias. However, I am also willing to settle for 6.5 cm.
Anyways, your goal is also 7cm on the tibias. Therefore, I am really interested in how you recover
as I am likely going to undergo precice in October of this year.
Also, you might be interested in my background so I will provide one. I am currently about 177 cm (5'10").
I am only interested in doing precice on the tibas. I want to be little more than 183 cm (6') after finishing tibial lengthening.
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No one doubts that someone 5ft 8 and handsome and with a good physique can get women. How's that remotely relevant to leg lengthening though?
You can pay rent and survive on a job that pays $25,000, so I guess you shouldn't want a job that pays $50,000 instead by that logic.
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No one doubts that someone 5ft 8 and handsome and with a good physique can get women. How's that remotely relevant to leg lengthening though?
You can pay rent and survive on a job that pays $25,000, so I guess you shouldn't want a job that pays $50,000 instead by that logic.
Well as stupid as it maybe was to bring such debate to OP:s lengthening diary... I'll say that of course it is relevant to leg lengthening from the point of view of our attractiveness (which to many is maybe main reason for LL, along with being treated with more respect). All these factors contribute to it. Of course everyone wants double salary. That's why I'm on the forum too. But ignoring one aspect doesn't do any good, whether one is ignoring height or any other aspect of ourselves. You maybe feel we were ignoring the effect of height while hyping up other aspects, but it's more of a response to a general sense of "let's ignore every other aspect and focus only on height" that is in the minds of many who bought a bit too much to the whole "What do you call a guy who is under 6 foot? A friend hihihihi" thing.
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Well as stupid as it maybe was to bring such debate to OP:s lengthening diary... I'll say that of course it is relevant to leg lengthening from the point of view of our attractiveness (which to many is maybe main reason for LL, along with being treated with more respect). All these factors contribute to it. Of course everyone wants double salary. That's why I'm on the forum too. But ignoring one aspect doesn't do any good, whether one is ignoring height or any other aspect of ourselves. You maybe feel we were ignoring the effect of height while hyping up other aspects, but it's more of a response to a general sense of "let's ignore every other aspect and focus only on height" that is in the minds of many who bought a bit too much to the whole "What do you call a guy who is under 6 foot? A friend hihihihi" thing.
No, it's not relevant at all tbh. Nobody has ever said that height is the only thing that matters, that's just a strawman you muh therapy and muh confidence cucks like to bring up to attack.
If you're 5ft 8 and handsome and get women, your height is still affecting you negatively. You'd get more women or better quality women if you were 6ft. Your argument is the typical normie mutually exclusion fallacy. Both height and face matter. Improving the height does not imply in the slightest you believe that your face (or physique, whatever) isn't important.
Basically, this is like someone saying 'remember to shower in the morning', and someone else saying 'showers aren't important if you don't brush your teeth, you'll still be repulsive'. Yeah bro, you need to do both.
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No, it's not relevant at all tbh. Nobody has ever said that height is the only thing that matters, that's just a strawman you muh therapy and muh confidence cucks like to bring up to attack.
If you're 5ft 8 and handsome and get women, your height is still affecting you negatively. You'd get more women or better quality women if you were 6ft. Your argument is the typical normie mutually exclusion fallacy. Both height and face matter. Improving the height does not imply in the slightest you believe that your face (or physique, whatever) isn't important.
Basically, this is like someone saying 'remember to shower in the morning', and someone else saying 'showers aren't important if you don't brush your teeth, you'll still be repulsive'. Yeah bro, you need to do both.
Whatever you say nerd. You can't wrap your head around someone seeing things differently so you want to insult.
Try getting out of the house once in a while. Talk to girls (outside onlyfans). You'll find there is more to everything than your height and face. You'll find there is more to girls too than them just wanting a tall and pretty face in a guy. Yes all these things matter.
"If you're 5ft 8 and handsome and get women, your height is still affecting you negatively." You are repeating things I've already said and saying them to me as if your countering something I've said. Only difference is that I'm saying that all the other stuff is affecting positively, so maybe you missed the point, cause you can only look at life, being with women, being your best self, from a negative point of view. It's all bad news until you get the height you want. You count the women who are not into you instead of women who are into you. Seriously weak mentality if you ask me, funny you calling me a cuck when it's obvious which one of us is spending time with real people lol
Now I won't pollute this diary further. Good luck ebook12345, congrats on the progress so far!
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Whatever you say nerd. You can't wrap your head around someone seeing things differently so you want to insult.
Try getting out of the house once in a while. Talk to girls (outside onlyfans). You'll find there is more to everything than your height and face. You'll find there is more to girls too than them just wanting a tall and pretty face in a guy. Yes all these things matter.
"If you're 5ft 8 and handsome and get women, your height is still affecting you negatively." You are repeating things I've already said and saying them to me as if your countering something I've said. Only difference is that I'm saying that all the other stuff is affecting positively, so maybe you missed the point, cause you can only look at life, being with women, being your best self, from a negative point of view. It's all bad news until you get the height you want. You count the women who are not into you instead of women who are into you. Seriously weak mentality if you ask me, funny you calling me a cuck when it's obvious which one of us is spending time with real people lol
Now I won't pollute this diary further. Good luck ebook12345, congrats on the progress so far!
OK bro, I'll accept your surrender.
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https://imgur.com/a/qpW7vtM
everythink ok?
1.5cm.
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https://imgur.com/a/qpW7vtM
everythink ok?
1.5cm.
no nail? if this isnt LATN you are doomed my friend:Ddd
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new photos:
https://imgur.com/a/ks8YFkJ
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new photos:
https://imgur.com/a/ks8YFkJ
You will go externals only with monorails?
I did it and it was a bad decision. Even latn is not a good one because if there is a malunion (which almost always there will be with monorails) it can't fix anything.
The only way for monorails is lon. I did externals only with them and I have a relatively major misalignment in my right tibia which I fixed 5 years after LL with a new surgery and a plate.
Also, monorails are not weight bearing almost at all. This means that you should stay in bed for at least 3-4 months till your bone is strong enough to walk with the minimal assistance that monorails provide.
Bad decision and I really wonder nowadays which doctors do monorails without lon. They are at best totally irresponsible.
Don't even think to go over 5cm with monorails, you may end up crippled.
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after 3 cm i must slower from 1mm to 0.5mm. It good decision ?
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Yes, but you should track the consolidation because you may risk preconsolidation. If the bone gap is not thick then you are ok to lengthen at a slow rate and about 0,66 mm is the best.
But I repeat, don't exceed 5-5,5cm at max otherwise you will almost surely have a malunion.
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6 inches is too much and it's not only about looking uncanny post lengthening but more importantly losing your function for many years if not permanently.
If you insist on lengthening that much, the final outcome depends on your leg to body ratio. If your leg to body ratio exceeds 0.51, you will look like dwarf on stilts.
Even I, who have very short legs and very big trunk, will look uncanny after 12 cm of lengthening as my leg to body ratio will exceed 0.51.
IMO, no living man can look good nked after 12 cm of total lengthening unless he had comically short legs to begin with. And Sedat from LLT had very short and bowed legs, it was a disability, he was not normal, that's why he looks good after 20 cm of lengthening, but no normal man will look good after even 15 cm of lengthening, 20 cm is just insane.
Lol I disagree. There are people with dwarfism that lengthened like 30 cm, that's like 0.65, they look fine. Given that, 15 cm looks nothing. No one comes to you with a tape to measure your legs to torso index lol and proceed to insult you for exceeding 0.51, you'll just be known as long-legged tall guy and that's it.
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You will go externals only with monorails?
I did it and it was a bad decision. Even latn is not a good one because if there is a malunion (which almost always there will be with monorails) it can't fix anything.
The only way for monorails is lon. I did externals only with them and I have a relatively major misalignment in my right tibia which I fixed 5 years after LL with a new surgery and a plate.
Also, monorails are not weight bearing almost at all. This means that you should stay in bed for at least 3-4 months till your bone is strong enough to walk with the minimal assistance that monorails provide.
Bad decision and I really wonder nowadays which doctors do monorails without lon. They are at best totally irresponsible.
Don't even think to go over 5cm with monorails, you may end up crippled.
So, did you walk with a limp because of abnormal bone fusion?
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14 days after X-RAY.
2.5 cm.
https://imgur.com/a/dN9zUU4
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So, did you walk with a limp because of abnormal bone fusion?
No, I walk normally. Even after the malunion I had I walked almost normal as it wasn't that big and the ankle compensated. But now I've fixed it.
Ebook12345 you are the only LLer I've seen in this forum that did externals only with monorails like me.
You are not able to walk, right? And you won't be for.many months more as monorails have almost zero weight bearing capabilities.
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Yep that guy doesnt realize he will suffer, well everybody is the architect of his own fortune, you gotta ask yourself why even live life taller withdrew the monorails, well i donr have to ask myself, because it was due to 70-80% of people got crippled
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3.5cm
https://imgur.com/a/d7hGuiY
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You will go externals only with monorails?
I did it and it was a bad decision. Even latn is not a good one because if there is a malunion (which almost always there will be with monorails) it can't fix anything.
The only way for monorails is lon. I did externals only with them and I have a relatively major misalignment in my right tibia which I fixed 5 years after LL with a new surgery and a plate.
Also, monorails are not weight bearing almost at all. This means that you should stay in bed for at least 3-4 months till your bone is strong enough to walk with the minimal assistance that monorails provide.
Bad decision and I really wonder nowadays which doctors do monorails without lon. They are at best totally irresponsible.
Don't even think to go over 5cm with monorails, you may end up crippled.
I had to lengthening with just monorails! The incompetent butcher Yuksel Yurttas put that on me and am suffering from a bone deformity to this day!
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4,2 cm
https://imgur.com/a/hUmXtVm
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How many mm per day?
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0,5 mm
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Yep that guy doesnt realize he will suffer, well everybody is the architect of his own fortune, you gotta ask yourself why even live life taller withdrew the monorails, well i donr have to ask myself, because it was due to 70-80% of people got crippled
LLT no longer uses monorails? How do they lengthen with LON tibia & femur then?
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6.7cm
https://imgur.com/a/4oxdLUw
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6.7cm
https://imgur.com/a/4oxdLUw
Keep in mind that your fibula risks non union. It has no bridge in the middle and the gap is big.
Other than that everything looks good imo.
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6.7cm
https://imgur.com/a/4oxdLUw
WHAT THE F. ?? That's an insane gap! You should be very wary because it looks really far away and could not possibly consolidate.
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Hello ebook. How is it going. Is that painfull?
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Hello ebook. How is it going. Is that painfull?
If you lengthen no more than 0.5mm per day, no.
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why is the gap on the tibia 6.7cm and on the fibula 4,5cm?
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6.8cm:
https://imgur.com/a/dIlGc18
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Do you think it's possible le to drive while lengthening?
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I think yes
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https://imgur.com/a/t4iLfAe
left leg: 430mm
right leg: 424mm
do i have to equalize?
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6.8cm:
https://imgur.com/a/dIlGc18
Hi, man.
I can see your callus is good and clear.
Are you walking ?... because i can see the screws deformed badly
Did you see the deformity on your right tibia ?... The upper bone is way out of the line. Your doctor adjust that deformity time to time ?
You should have nails as well !
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I told the doctor that my right leg was crooked and he said that we would do nothing and leave it. My right leg is actually crooked. I will straighten it myself because I don't want to have a crooked leg.
What's more, the difference in height between the legs is 5mm.
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new photos:
https://imgur.com/a/yRLpKdm
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I told the doctor that my right leg was crooked and he said that we would do nothing and leave it. My right leg is actually crooked. I will straighten it myself because I don't want to have a crooked leg.
What's more, the difference in height between the legs is 5mm.
how to straighten by yourself?
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you buy 10 x-ray visits. you take the key and turn it. and every day you check on the x-ray.
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And then wait for your eradiated bone to break in a few years time due to deep tissue radiation damage after daily x-ray. NEVER DO ANYTHING WITHOUT DOCTORS APPROVAL.
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And then wait for your eradiated bone to break in a few years time due to deep tissue radiation damage after daily x-ray. NEVER DO ANYTHING WITHOUT DOCTORS APPROVAL.
it's best to listen to doctors and walk with crooked legs like those from Live life taller ...
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Its better to find a different doctore, than to imagine youself as an expert who knows better than one. 7 cm on Thibia is already very risky and doing things yourself is a bit insane. Just out of interest, what exactly are you doing to streighten the leg, just adding more height? How do you actually change the angle?