Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: Dre42 on July 04, 2023, 04:46:41 AM
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Hi all, I just joined the forum I'm super pumped to be here. I'm 30 y/o male from USA. About a year ago I discovered limb lengthening surgery by coming across Cyborg4Life's YouTube channel and decided that I will do this surgery on both my tibias and femurs. I am planning to do 5cm cm for femurs and 5cm for tibias for a total of 10cm height gain. My plan is to fly to Turkey to do femurs first then after 1-3 years fly in again and do tibias.
I'm doing some research on the clinics and the doctors and so far I have chosen to following places as potential clinics:
* WANNA BE TALLER with Dr. Unus
* LIVE LIFE TALLER with Dr. Buldu
* AFA LIMB LENGTHENING with Dr. Mustafa
For members who have dealt with any of those clinics what have your experience been like? Which ones would you recommend?
My goal is to use the knowledge and experience of members on this forum to aid in my journey and I hope to eventually give back to newcomers after I go through this process myself.
~Dre
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in turkey metin kukucaya(not sure about his last name) is also famous.
btw you have paley in USA, why not go ther?
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The three clinics you mentioned have all had terrible stories happen. American doctors are generally considered the safest in the world.
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DON'T DO THIS SURGERY IN TURKEY! Read these experiences, they might chance your mind!
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=79700.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=71235.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=78387.31
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=68011.0
Safe clinics barely exists outside of Europe and The US. The bang for your buck in Europe is Dr Giotikas in Greece, since he is one of the most experienced and offers maybe the cheapest price in Europe.
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Not trying to be an but you just listed the three clinics that you’d have to pay me to get lengthening done at lol. Stay far away.
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DON'T DO THIS SURGERY IN TURKEY! Read these experiences, they might chance your mind!
Safe clinics barely exists outside of Europe and The US. The bang for your buck in Europe is Dr Giotikas in Greece, since he is one of the most experienced and offers maybe the cheapest price in Europe.
3 of these are LiveLifeTaller and 1 is WannaBeTaller, how do you rule out AFA just out of association of being in the same country?
The three clinics you mentioned have all had terrible stories happen. American doctors are generally considered the safest in the world.
Tell me the terrible story about AFA then? I'd love to know
Not trying to be an but you just listed the three clinics that you’d have to pay me to get lengthening done at lol. Stay far away.
2 of them..justifiable. What do you have against AFA? Nothing, other than it's in Turkey.
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Just the fact that they do LON femur in turkey should be a red flag. A one way ticket to a high chance of infection. Not that there aren't good outcomes from it, but we're playing statistics with your legs and potential walking life for years to come.
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I'm currently at 6cm with WBT and for the most part it's been a decent experience. Feel free to message also someone else I'm doing this journey with at the clinic including myself has posted some stuff about our experiences. There's a lot hate towards turkey but honestly I wouldn't let it stop you I'm from Australia and I have private health because I'm picky and I feel very safe around the doctor I'm with and trust him breaking my legs. I would take some of these hater comments with a grain of salt to be honest.
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I'm currently at 6cm with WBT and for the most part it's been a decent experience. Feel free to message also someone else I'm doing this journey with at the clinic including myself has posted some stuff about our experiences. There's a lot hate towards turkey but honestly I wouldn't let it stop you I'm from Australia and I have private health because I'm picky and I feel very safe around the doctor I'm with and trust him breaking my legs. I would take some of these hater comments with a grain of salt to be honest.
Dude just because you had a good experience, exceptions doesnt make the rule. When it comes to limb lengthening, it's your legs you're risking, your ability to walk for potentially the rest of your life. I'm sure 80% of the cases turns out good, but this isn't a $100 dollar hand in poker where it doesnt matter if you lose some money. The fact is complication rates at Turkey is probably at least 100x of that in countries like USA. If you're willing to take a 20% chance of not walking for 3 years, then sure.
And also they hide the bad patients in different hotel and rehab centers. So you might not even know about it. Don't be brainwashed living i the Matrix.
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Dude just because you had a good experience, exceptions doesnt make the rule. When it comes to limb lengthening, it's your legs you're risking, your ability to walk for potentially the rest of your life. I'm sure 80% of the cases turns out good, but this isn't a $100 dollar hand in poker where it doesnt matter if you lose some money. The fact is complication rates at Turkey is probably at least 100x of that in countries like USA. If you're willing to take a 20% chance of not walking for 3 years, then sure.
And also they hide the bad patients in different hotel and rehab centers. So you might not even know about it. Don't be brainwashed living i the Matrix.
Normally in a conversation if you bring up something like the rate of complications is 100x and they hide people away that get complications then normally that would require a lot of evidence and proof. Normally people who post this kind of slander for other people generally speaking are the people that is living in the matrix as you would say. Please provide statistics and and many personal accounts that back up your claim.
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3 of these are LiveLifeTaller and 1 is WannaBeTaller, how do you rule out AFA just out of association of being in the same country?
Tell me the terrible story about AFA then? I'd love to know
2 of them..justifiable. What do you have against AFA? Nothing, other than it's in Turkey.
I could not find any specific bad experience reviews for Dr. Mustafa Uysal.
Do you know how long he has been working for AFA and when AFA was founded?
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I could not find any specific bad experience reviews for Dr. Mustafa Uysal.
Do you know how long he has been working for AFA and when AFA was founded?
3 years and you won't find a bad case because there isn't one. I know that much.
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Just the fact that they do LON femur in turkey should be a red flag. A one way ticket to a high chance of infection. Not that there aren't good outcomes from it, but we're playing statistics with your legs and potential walking life for years to come.
My first choice was Precice but guess what? My bones were too narrow for Precice. My bone canal is smaller than 8.5mm so even the smallest Precice nail is too big for me. Some people have no choice but to do LON because of this or because of money.
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My first choice was Precice but guess what? My bones were too narrow for Precice. My bone canal is smaller than 8.5mm so even the smallest Precice nail is too big for me. Some people have no choice but to do LON because of this or because of money.
Thank you for your response. It's been 3 years since AFA was established.
I've heard that Dr. Mustafa Gökhan Bilgili and Dr. Metin Kucukkaya are reputed doctors in Turkey, but I don't have detailed information about them.
Prior to selecting AFA, did you consider them as potential options for your surgery?
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if you can't afford Rosbruch or Paley go to Giotikas
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Thank you for your response. It's been 3 years since AFA was established.
I've heard that Dr. Mustafa Gökhan Bilgili and Dr. Metin Kucukkaya are reputed doctors in Turkey, but I don't have detailed information about them.
Prior to selecting AFA, did you consider them as potential options for your surgery?
Dr Kuccukaya is the best Dr in Turkey however Dr Mustafa Gokhan is not good. His patients are also at the same hotel as AFA, he does monorail on tibia (big red flag).
I would say Dr Mustafa Uysal is easily the 2nd best doctor in Turkey and the best at LON, AFA have the best clinic + physio team and are the most ethical, they won't allow you to exceed 0.75 and 1mm lengthening per day and tell you when to stop, no crazy numbers like 9cm.
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Dr Kuccukaya is the best Dr in Turkey however Dr Mustafa Gokhan is not good. His patients are also at the same hotel as AFA, he does monorail on tibia (big red flag).
I would say Dr Mustafa Uysal is easily the 2nd best doctor in Turkey and the best at LON, AFA have the best clinic + physio team and are the most ethical, they won't allow you to exceed 0.75 and 1mm lengthening per day and tell you when to stop, no crazy numbers like 9cm.
Monorail on tibia is prone to knockknee and other misalignment, and if it happens, it's difficult to fix, so do you consider it a red flag?
Does AFA perform circle tibial surgery?
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The one clinic out of those 3 which is the least worse, according to the experience people have shared on this forum, is most likely AFA. However I would strongly advice to choose another clinic, if you have the money. Dr. Giotikas in Greece is only a tiny bit more costly, but offers way better value and safety for money. Don't believe me, then look up the experiences with him on this forum like 95% if not more are positive, and you can't say the same thing about those 3 clinics espically LiveLifeTaller and WannaBeTaller...
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It looks like you just joined the forum, yeah I believe you. There are many threads about these Turkish butchers and their shameless marketing to attract new prey. Read carefully the numerous threads on this forum about Turkey and look for other possibilities where to extend but do not go to Turkey if possible. greetings
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My first choice was Precice but guess what? My bones were too narrow for Precice. My bone canal is smaller than 8.5mm so even the smallest Precice nail is too big for me. Some people have no choice but to do LON because of this or because of money.
How skinny are your legs if you dont mind me asking?
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Monorail on tibia is prone to knockknee and other misalignment, and if it happens, it's difficult to fix, so do you consider it a red flag?
Does AFA perform circle tibial surgery?
Of course monorail on tibia is a red flag as I said.
AFA only uses full ilizarov frame on tibias.
How skinny are your legs if you dont mind me asking?
My legs weren't skinny. I was never told I have skinny legs, just my bones are very small. My weight etc was always healthy. But now after 90 days of this surgery, my legs have indeed become very skinny.
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Of course monorail on tibia is a red flag as I said.
AFA only uses full ilizarov frame on tibias.
Since it's important, let me confirm this once again.
Did your doctor mention that he wouldn't use the monorail due to issues with misalignment?
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Wow thank you all so much for the input and the discussion this is helpng me a lot. Yes I am thinking Turkey because I only have so much money. Actually at the moment I don't have any, but I know our family will be selling properly we have in another country and I should be getting about $50k from it. I also have been saving so I should have $60-$70k by the time I'm ready to do this surgery.
I def want it to be safe. I wish I could do it in America but it's just too darn expensive here. (~$150k)
Will be looking into the Greek doctor, never heard of him before.
Part of me just wants to take a leap of faith knowing full well what the complications could be...
Another way I'm thinking of maximizing the safety of this procedure is doing everything that is in my control given my finances. For example I think I will only do 5cm on my femurs first, then after a year or more come back and do 5cm of tibias. This way I won't push my body too hard at once and will give it plenty of time to recover.
Would appreciate any other insight or tips from you all. Thank you all so much.
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im currently doing my femurs at AFA in turkey. So far the experience isn't bad, just very bored most of the time. the surgery went well, but i woke up with a scar on my lip for some reason. A week after the surgery the pain went away, and its just therapy with intense stretching sessions mon-friday, and you can pay for weekend sessions if you want/need them. im currently 2cm in, and my goal is 6cm.
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User580. Can you please prove it with some screenshots of x-rays? They're so many fake accounts nowadays on this forum. Also are doing LON or precice?
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im currently doing my femurs at AFA in turkey. So far the experience isn't bad, just very bored most of the time. the surgery went well, but i woke up with a scar on my lip for some reason. A week after the surgery the pain went away, and its just therapy with intense stretching sessions mon-friday, and you can pay for weekend sessions if you want/need them. im currently 2cm in, and my goal is 6cm.
Can you talk about price?
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His account is properly fake since he didn't send any proof with x-rays as I requested. This isn't the first time we have seen turkish clinics being unethical by making fake accounts as marketing... He has only posted that one comment...
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its saying the folder is full, if you have an email i can send it to you through there
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Sure wrh@live.dk
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You never sent me anything. I knew that you were hiding in turkey while advertising shadely. have you heard of morals? ;D
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I've been doing more research on clinics around the world and obviously there are a lot more clinics and doctors out there than the 3 turkish clinics I listed originally lol. I reset the pole to include more clinics.
On a sidenote, does anyone have any opinion on Height Rx with Dr. Assayag? I discovered him by accident and he seems like he's a newer doctor. However, for a doctor in USA his prices seem pretty reasonable and his reviews on RateMD aren't bad at all.
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Hi guys,
I'm a shorter man myself currently toying with the idea of getting LL surgery. As a result, I'm working with a UK TV channel to document my journey. Excited but nervous. I'm keen to speak to people from the UK who have had the procedure or are thinking about having it like me. If you'd be interested in featuring in this documentary please email william.njo@outlook.com[/b]
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In turkey I would try FIXTHEHEIGHT they’re relatively new but I just placed my testimony yesterday. They did a really good job for me I can be emailed if needed for more personal questions.
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DON'T DO THIS SURGERY IN TURKEY! Read these experiences, they might chance your mind!
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=79700.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=71235.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=78387.31
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=68011.0
Safe clinics barely exists outside of Europe and The US. The bang for your buck in Europe is Dr Giotikas in Greece, since he is one of the most experienced and offers maybe the cheapest price in Europe.
I assume you're now doing it in Turkey.
What caused the change, and is it a good experience so far?
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so the complications and infections occur and the doctors dont know what to do and just keep quiet from patients. so the best thing to do is remove the fixator and clean the infection and then reinstall the fixator again?
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Hey my friend i you doing well can you please give me your contact info im considering AFA clinic for the ll surgery
It would be nice if you could help me with some details thanks