Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: Uchiha on January 25, 2023, 06:53:20 PM
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Greetings
I have been researching cosmetic lengthening surgery for about 6 years. I always get the best information from this forum.
I have read many diaries on this forum for 6 years and have learned about cosmetic lengthening surgery. But I've never been a member and I'm sure most people are like me lol
There are those who had this surgery and do not share their experiences. Honestly i was hoping to be like that too lol
By the way, english is not my native language. So I'll use the translation, it's more practical.
I don't want to tell some of my information. I just want to write my experiences here.
Finally I had the surgery. I have never had an operation in my life. Even giving blood makes me nervous. I've been smoking cigarette since I was 16 (I quit before surgery)
I met with many doctors in Istanbul and other cities of Turkey. I met some of them face to face or on phone.
I will not mention their names and companies here. They advertise themselves a lot in everywhere and not everything is as it seems. Those who makes surgery to diabetic patients or quadral lenthening (Femur and tibia in one surgery) etc.
You can do a little searching on most companies and doctors on this forum. So it took me a long time to choose the right doctor. I have never had surgery before and this is a risky surgery.
I wanted my doctor to be knowledgeable and experienced. Their communication with patients should be good.
I talked to every doctor and company you can think of in Turkey. I finally decided to Professor Dr. Mustafa Gokhan Bilgili. He take care of me like his family member. He was the only doctor who didn't treat me like a client. This was very important to me. I had surgery 1 month after talking to my doctor lol
Age - 26
Height - 177 cm (5 ft 10)
Weight - 85 kg (189 pounds)
My wingspan - 186 cm - (6 ft 1)
I had surgery on December 30, 2022 in Istanbul with Professor Doctor Mustafa Gökhan BİLGİLİ.
Surgery Day
I was very scared the day of the surgery. I settled in my room and waited for them to take me into surgery.
I was taken to the operating room and immediately put to sleep with general anesthesia. I was shaking when i came to my room. I felt tingling in my feet. I didn't want to wake up because the pain was waiting for me :-X. I was terrified, but faced very little pain around 10/3 or 5. There were strong painkillers and I was always half asleep. I was constantly sleeping and waking up.
Right after surgery
(https://s8d8.turboimg.net/t/83844330_WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-05_at_08.02.09.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/83844330/WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-05_at_08.02.09.jpeg.html)
My xrays
(https://s8d7.turboimg.net/t/83980574_WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-01_at_15.51.11_1.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/83980574/WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-01_at_15.51.11_1.jpeg.html)
(https://s8d7.turboimg.net/t/83980576_WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-01_at_15.51.11_2.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/83980576/WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-01_at_15.51.11_2.jpeg.html)
(https://s8d7.turboimg.net/t/83980577_WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-01_at_15.51.11.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/83980577/WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-01_at_15.51.11.jpeg.html)
(https://s8d7.turboimg.net/t/83980578_WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-01_at_15.51.12.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/83980578/WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-01_at_15.51.12.jpeg.html)
2nd day of surgery
Everything was great until i get up lol
When you first stand up, you feel very strange. Your blood pressure decreases and you feel dizzy.
While reading the surgery entrys on this forum, I've seen people write about clicking sounds. I didn't get it what they are talking about. I learned this the hard way now lol
The sounds are coming from their bones especially the fibula :-X
Standing up or bending my legs 90 degrees in bed was more painful (10/8) than surgery for me.
It was very difficult to get up and sit on the edge of the bed with the knees at 90 degrees. However, it takes a few seconds to pain gone.
My pain threshold is very low. Btw I'm doing these painlessly right now. It's been 12 days today since the surgery.
90 degrees
(https://s8d6.turboimg.net/t/83844185_WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-05_at_08.02.09_11.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/83844185/WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-05_at_08.02.09_11.jpeg.html)
My first walk
(https://s8d6.turboimg.net/t/83844186_1714852.gif) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/83844186/1714852.gif.html)
I can't tell you the feeling of iron hitting each other while walking... It's a very different feeling. It's not painful, just weird lol. So I had to walk constantly looking down so that the nails wouldn't touch each other.
A summary of 4 days until leaving the hospital
I was taking 2 different painkillers. My max pain was 10/6 for just a few hours.
For me, i can say 5 days average pain is between 10/3-5.
I was sleeping and watching TV.
My doctor and physiotherapist visited me every day.
(https://s8d6.turboimg.net/t/83844184_WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-05_at_08.02.08_8.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/83844184/WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-05_at_08.02.08_8.jpeg.html)
While my doctor explains the fixator
(https://s8d6.turboimg.net/t/83844182_7038812.gif) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/83844182/7038812.gif.html)
I came home on January 3rd
Summary of 12 days after surgery
I can easily bend my knees without pain. The first week I couldn't stand up on my own, now i can.
I can go to the bathroom alone with a walker.
Edema is difficult to deal with.
I was having trouble sleeping before the surgery. It is really difficult to sleep after surgery. I have no pain, but i am not comfortable with fixators. A tribute to those who made the long femur
I have never regretted having the surgery.
When i have a fever or pain i write to my doctor. He solves all my problems.
The only thing that bothers me right now is the sleep with these fixators. I have to be patient until fixators come out.
I'm currently struggling with edema.
I get physical therapy every 2 days. The bandage which physiotherapist put on my leg is great.
(https://s8d2.turboimg.net/t/83977751_WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-10_at_14.10.45.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/83977751/WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-10_at_14.10.45.jpeg.html)
It's been 2 weeks since surgery today.
All of these videos are from today.
My Walk (I'm trying not to get support from walker)
(https://s8d7.turboimg.net/t/84161266_ca267c49-706b-4aa3-8954-e44d58db6a65.gif) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84161266/ca267c49-706b-4aa3-8954-e44d58db6a65.gif.html)
Right Knee
(https://s8d3.turboimg.net/t/84161229_1285449.gif) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84161229/1285449.gif.html)
Left Knee
(https://s8d3.turboimg.net/t/84161404_51859b74-9b9b-4dfd-aa1b-b48725afe2aa.gif) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84161404/51859b74-9b9b-4dfd-aa1b-b48725afe2aa.gif.html)
Knee Up
(https://s8d3.turboimg.net/t/84161390_ce7df5fd-1e42-43c2-918a-25acad5b94a2.gif) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84161390/ce7df5fd-1e42-43c2-918a-25acad5b94a2.gif.html)
Stretching
(https://s8d3.turboimg.net/t/84161398_577b071c-c39c-4f28-8172-f15e50749564.gif) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84161398/577b071c-c39c-4f28-8172-f15e50749564.gif.html)
Ankle
(https://s8d3.turboimg.net/t/84161180_WhatsApp-Video-2023-01-13-at-18.10.04.gif) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84161180/WhatsApp-Video-2023-01-13-at-18.10.04.gif.html)
Holy bandages ;D
(https://s8d3.turboimg.net/t/84161216_6769750.gif) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84161216/6769750.gif.html)
What happened in 2 weeks
The bruises on my legs are starting to go away
(https://s8d4.turboimg.net/t/84167238_WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-13_at_17.52.43.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84167238/WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-13_at_17.52.43.jpeg.html)
I started extending January 5th. I will have reached 1 cm tomorrow. My doctor had 0.5 mm (half cm lengthened) in the surgery, a total of 1.5 cm (I grow 1 mm every day)
When I was in the hospital, I was afraid to stand up. I thought I could never do it. It was very difficult for me to stand up in the first week of the surgery. I guess because of my height and weight. I can do it over and over now.
During the first weeks I came home, I had a fever every day. I no longer have a fever
The stitches are itchy. It's hard to resist but itching shows that they are healing.
(https://s8d4.turboimg.net/t/84167239_WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-13_at_17.52.46_1.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84167239/WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-13_at_17.52.46_1.jpeg.html)
(https://s8d4.turboimg.net/t/84167248_c5e0f033-cb8e-4c5d-ae22-030e8d0a700c.gif) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84167248/c5e0f033-cb8e-4c5d-ae22-030e8d0a700c.gif.html)
Dealing with edema is easy now. When my legs are swollen, I put ice and lift them up. just put a pillow
It's beautiful during the day, I have no pain during the day, I am very happy. I watch One Piece and do stretches.
But not nice at night lol Not being able to sleep at night is bad. Before the surgery, I was a person with sleeping problems.
It is very difficult to sleep with fixators. I woke up many times after falling asleep.
Since I started stretching, I sometimes wake up at night with pain. It's not painful, I say this as someone with a low pain threshold, but it's frustrating. 10/3 and it's always there. It's impossible to fall asleep again.
I have been taking the harmless sleeping pills recommended by my doctor for 3 days. More comfortable to sleep.
It's been 25 days since the surgery.
It's been 20 days since I started to lengthen, now I'm 2 cm taller. (2.5cm in total)
I struggle with stretching a lot. I take 1 physical therapy every 2 days. When I'm bored, I try to stretch the Achilles tendon a lot.
I no longer have a fever or edema. I don't need to put ice on my legs anymore. Now it's time to relax the muscles and warm up. Massage etc.
So far everything is going well. I used to take 3 painkillers a day, now I only take 1 before I go to sleep.
I wish I was flexible before the surgery. I was never prepared for surgery. Be sure to stretch before surgery.
I say to myself, it won't kill me when i am in pain or when i wake up from sleep. I knew this would happen. At least not as painful as I expected. I don't regret having the surgery.
These are the ones that come to my mind for now. I didn't want to write paragraphs with unnecessary text. I will keep updating. If you have any questions, I will answer.
This diary has been rearranged with the date of 25.01.2023
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Thanks for the update it's better now.
1-Why did you chose this doctor?
2-Why did you write the whole process at once?
3-You've been on this forum for 6 years, why didn't you sign up before? (just curiosity)
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Thanks for the update it's better now.
1-Why did you chose this doctor?
2-Why did you write the whole process at once?
3-You've been on this forum for 6 years, why didn't you sign up before? (just curiosity)
1- It's already in my diary.
2- Signing up 1 or 2 month ago and post diarys of peoples wouldn't change anything. Also, if something had gone wrong, I would never have open diary on the forum. Even though I was a member, I couldn't post for the first week I was taking painkillers and sleeping I also just learned how to upload images and gifs. So I took notes and wrote everything in one post so it was one piece.
3- I have read as a guest on this forum for more than 5 years. I used to read diaries on phone when I was bored. What would I write if I was a member lol. I've already learned a lot. There was no need to write anything or ask questions, actually the biggest reason why I decided to post on this forum after my surgery is for non-members to see it. I know and I see a lot of guests are reading diaries on this forum. I want to tell you everything about the operation.
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Why did you have surgery at this height? I don't understand. 177cm is a dream for me...
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Why did you have surgery at this height? I don't understand. 177cm is a dream for me...
I was eliminated in the modeling auditions. I was missing 3 cm. You have to be 1.80 in modeling. My height obsession started at the age of 19 and never went away.
I knew this obsession wouldn't go away. I had no choice but to have surgery.
Also, no matter what height you are, if you are obsessed with height, you will feel short. There are many people who are older than my starting height and have done this surgery. We don't know most of them because they don't post on the forum, but there are people who are above average height and even do it to be taller.
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Update
Tomorrow I will be 3 cm.
My knee angles.
(https://s8d1.turboimg.net/t/84709024_WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-28_at_12.22.57_14.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84709024/WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-28_at_12.22.57_14.jpeg.html)
(https://s8d1.turboimg.net/t/84709023_WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-28_at_12.22.57_9.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84709023/WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-28_at_12.22.57_9.jpeg.html)
I don't update every day because I don't experience different things.
Even though I had surgery on the tibia, my femurs are tingling and very soft. At night sometimes my femurs tingle and it won't sleep lol. Before the surgery, my femurs were very stiff. It's super soft right now and I like it's slimming down. It's nice to have the legs tied together. I was afraid if my tibia was weak my femurs would be fat.
1 night I had the most painful night during this process. It was only on my right foot. I think it was nerve or muscle pain. My whole leg ached constantly nonstop.
I no longer need to close the wounds. My stitches fell out on their own. Since the wounds are closed, I easily get massage and it's very helpful for muscle or nerve pain.
(https://s8d7.turboimg.net/t/84709026_WhatsApp-Video-2023-01-28-at-12.22.58.gif) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84709026/WhatsApp-Video-2023-01-28-at-12.22.58.gif.html)
I can say that the only difficulty of this surgery is sleep. You wake up automatically because you can't move. Sometimes not moving wakes you up, sometimes it hurts. I wear stabilizers on my feet and it is very difficult to sleep with them. I put them on and sleep for 1-2 hours, when I wake up, I take them off and go back to sleep.
I am happy with the process. I hope it continues like this. Everything seems fine now.
I'm trying to update as much as I can. Things seem to get harder after 3 cm
I forgot to upload this photo.
(https://s8d1.turboimg.net/t/84709021_WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-28_at_12.22.57_6.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84709021/WhatsApp_Image_2023-01-28_at_12.22.57_6.jpeg.html)
I usually watch these videos at night when I can't sleep and when I'm in pain. This word in this video is enough. "For truly this reality... is a Hell"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzaIGC-MouU
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I was eliminated in the modeling auditions. I was missing 3 cm. You have to be 1.80 in modeling. My height obsession started at the age of 19 and never went away.
I knew this obsession wouldn't go away. I had no choice but to have surgery.
Also, no matter what height you are, if you are obsessed with height, you will feel short. There are many people who are older than my starting height and have done this surgery. We don't know most of them because they don't post on the forum, but there are people who are above average height and even do it to be taller.
Do you still want to be a model? I ask as won't scarring and having normal looking femur and tibia ratios be a big deal in vanity type industries?
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Do you still want to be a model? I ask as won't scarring and having normal looking femur and tibia ratios be a big deal in vanity type industries?
It will be okay to be a photo model, I asked that. But scars are a problem for the podium models. If there is a scar, will cause eliminated. Also, it's okay if I can't be a model, I wanted this as a hobby. It will be enough for me to pass that number of being a model, even if I don't do that job.
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It will be okay to be a photo model, I asked that. But scars are a problem for the podium models. If there is a scar, will cause eliminated. Also, it's okay if I can't be a model, I wanted this as a hobby. It will be enough for me to pass that number of being a model, even if I don't do that job.
At least you thought it through, hope it works out for you and you can live your modelling dream.
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At least you thought it through, hope it works out for you and you can live your modelling dream.
Thank you so much for your good wishes. I hope all our dreams come true.
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Good luck on your journey. Thanks for posting the picture. It's obvious you're having surgery. Unfortunately, fake diaries are more prominent in this forum. I love honest diaries like you and we learn a lot from you. Please keep updating.
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Good luck on your journey. Thanks for posting the picture. It's obvious you're having surgery. Unfortunately, fake diaries are more prominent in this forum. I love honest diaries like you and we learn a lot from you. Please keep updating.
Thanks!
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Update
It's been 39 days since surgery.
I reached 3.8 cm today.
I wish i was flexible before the surgery. Most difficult thing in physical therapy is stretching the achille tendons. I had no preparations before the operation and I was not flexible at all. The thing I feared most was stretching.
My legs are getting stronger. I can walk holding on to the wall or on crutches without a Walker. Getting stronger at my knee angles.
(https://s8d4.turboimg.net/t/85038241_WhatsApp-Video-2023-02-04-at-125-_5.gif) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/85038241/WhatsApp-Video-2023-02-04-at-125-_5.gif.html)
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I don't feel too much tension. I think it's about my leg length. If you have flexible or long legs, the tension starts after 3,5 4 cm.
1 day before surgery
(https://s8d4.turboimg.net/t/85038225_WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-04_at_12.23.44.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/85038225/WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-04_at_12.23.44.jpeg.html)
My doctor visited me today He said everything is fine.
(https://s8d4.turboimg.net/t/85038226_WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-04_at_12.26.50.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/85038226/WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-04_at_12.26.50.jpeg.html)
My x-rays
(https://s8d8.turboimg.net/t/85147299_WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-06_at_14.12.11_1.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/85147299/WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-06_at_14.12.11_1.jpeg.html)
(https://s8d8.turboimg.net/t/85147320_WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-06_at_14.12.11.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/85147320/WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-06_at_14.12.11.jpeg.html)
(https://s8d8.turboimg.net/t/85147306_WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-06_at_14.12.11_2.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/85147306/WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-06_at_14.12.11_2.jpeg.html)
(https://s8d8.turboimg.net/t/85147312_WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-06_at_14.12.11_3.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/85147312/WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-06_at_14.12.11_3.jpeg.html)
I don't want to write every day, I watched a movie today etc. I only update if there are differences.
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Thanks a lot for this diary, we have similar measures and similar story (177 height) (185 wingspan) and i for sure want to do this in the next 2-3 years (iam 22) although quadrilateral to maintain my proportions. Keep up the updates man. Also, how much did this doctor charge for the surgery?
Good luck bro🫡
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Thanks a lot for this diary, we have similar measures and similar story (177 height) (185 wingspan) and i for sure want to do this in the next 2-3 years (iam 22) although quadrilateral to maintain my proportions. Keep up the updates man. Also, how much did this doctor charge for the surgery?
Good luck bro
You're welcome. Thank you so much for your kind words. Yes, our rates are very similar. I wish the best for you my friend. I hope everything turns out the way you want. It would be unehtical for me to share a price. I don't want to be understood like i'm advertising lol
It was more convenient than other companies in Turkey with accommodation and physical therapy. The most important thing was that the doctor was good. It would be better to get the price information from the doctor, I am just writing my experience here.
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Could you dm more info? I only hope that the doctor is for sure experienced and you did your research carefully…
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Could you dm more info? I only hope that the doctor is for sure experienced and you did your research carefully…
I decided to have this surgery in Turkey. And I researched for 6 years. As I mentioned in my diary, I talked to many doctors and companies in Turkey. He was the only doctor who didn't see me as a client, and I'm sure. He is also a professor and a doctor who does not advertise. I found it myself. Certainly experienced. If I had doubts, I wouldn't have the surgery. Btw, if you have any questions (except the price), you can ask in the message.
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Update
Tomorrow I will be 4.5 cm. I have occasional nerve and muscle pain. It's really frustrating. I walked a lot and put a lot of strain on the muscles in my left leg. Since I strain my muscles in my left leg, I am experiencing pain even when walking with a normal tiny step (only in my left leg) so I will rest for 1-2 days. The pain is 10/6 It starts when I put weight on my feet. It hurts when I don't move my foot. That's why I try not to stand up. It hurts even more when I take a step. The pain is usually more pronounced behind my kneecap and covers my entire leg.
Hot treatment for legs works very well, massage and heat makes relax. I continue the stretches. I have pain in the form of a rope from my non-operated femurs to my ankles. It usually takes 30 minutes and disappears, but it's frustrating. It prevents you from sleeping and focusing. Pain level 10/5
I tried climbing stairs, I can climb slowly, I went up and down 15 stairs with small steps and support so far. Maybe after 5 cm, I can turn 3 times a day, I can make 0.75 mm.
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Update
It's been a month since my last update.
After February 22, I continued to extend it to 3 times a day.
My left foot was doing very well, but the heel of my right foot started to rise from the ground. I didn't do 1 week extension, my right heel got better.
When I reached 6 cm, blood came from the lower pins of my left foot, and I stopped stretching for 1 week. I started overtime again yesterday (March 14)
Today I am 6.1 cm and I continue by turning it 3 times a day. In 13 days I will be 7 cm.
I feel like I'm slowly coming to the end. Before, my sleep was very little interrupted. Things change after 6 cm. I always wake up between 1-3 hours. The interruption of your sleep impairs the quality of sleep.
My doctor came to my house. Checked me in, said everything was alright
You feel and see the height difference after 5 cm. I feel happy already. My legs look good in the full-length mirror.
These x-rays were taken 15 days ago
Right
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Left
(https://s8d2.turboimg.net/t/86568010_WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-28_at_14.54.29_1.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/86568010/WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-28_at_14.54.29_1.jpeg.html) (https://s8d2.turboimg.net/t/86568019_WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-28_at_14.54.29.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/86568019/WhatsApp_Image_2023-02-28_at_14.54.29.jpeg.html)
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How did you find your doctor from? Recommendations from others? Does he do internals? Cost?
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How did you find your doctor from? Recommendations from others? Does he do internals? Cost?
I found the doctor myself on the web and youtube. Yes he does all the methods. I don't know about the cost.
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Well what was the cost of your surgery?
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Well what was the cost of your surgery?
I wrote about it above.It would be unehtical for me to share a price. I don't want to be understood like i'm advertising lol
It was more convenient than other companies in Turkey with accommodation and physical therapy. The most important thing was that the doctor was good. It would be better to get the price information from the doctor, I am just writing my experience here.
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Look at the video on Donghoon channel interview with surgeons
Is he the person at 4:14?
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Are there any other diaries by him? Being associated with DH does give him more accreditation but more diaries would be more useful to see how his patients results are.
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I'm someone who hates Turkish butchers I was going to troll this diary and couldn't find any price or hotel information.
In this forum most people write about the cost of surgery because most of them are fake. He also said it was the same as other companies.
You signed up today and are trolling the diaries. I guess you are from the team of wannabetaller or livelifetaller? AFA ?
I researched this doctor himself Dr. Donghoon Lee is friends with and does not advertise. I couldn't find anything about the ad in this diary so I gave up on trolling.
It's interesting to call someone an ad for someone who doesn't have an ad and only has one diary and real diary. People like you don't even dare to have surgery.
Write from your real account if you dare ;) Who would have a problem with a non-ad diary and why? Even I haven't trolled many diaries here. Like the diaries of Dr Paley. I never mess with the real ones.
You are pathetic trying to undermine instead of thanking someone who shared such a diary.
In this forum, we want real diaries, not fake diaries. Because of bitch like you, these people don't post here. Also, I couldn't find an article promoting the doctor, please show me where?
Only I can undermine the diaries here. And I'm just undermining the advertising or fake diaries. I already have doubts about who your real account is.
It's easy to slander people, but I'm on this forum now. I will expose your fake diaries one by one. You will no longer find customers for yourself ;)
Would you mind sharing where did you find that this doc is friends with Donghoon? is it the video of the interview on DH channel? Thanks!
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Dont wanna get accused of shilling any docs LOL.
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I was waiting for such a troll to come.
I had surgery and became a member of the forum and started to publish my diary. A few idiots tried to undermine my diary and called me fake. I uploaded my pictures and videos then they stopped typing. I have updated my diary with images with gifs of every step.
The price information seems ridiculous to me. I am here to explain the process, not to know the cost of the surgery. Also, if you look at my past posts, I have repeatedly written to people to choose their doctor carefully.
Although I did not give price information. I do not praise the doctor. I didn't even spam, so as not to show up in Recent Posts.
Those who call me fake now secretly read my diary every day, I see them.
Anyone trying to undermine this diary has a grudge against me even though they don't know me. They might be trying to undermine me. I guess because i had surgery at this height or they may not want to have another alternative in Turkey. Because i did not prefer other companies in Turkey. I guess they don't want to have a real diary on this forum. I am doing this voluntarily.
Those who do not have surgery and advertise and praise the doctor or fake diaries without pictures and videos are not trolled. Really funny.
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https://youtu.be/ieg77hcYQIs
If I had uploaded this video there would be idiots who said I was praising the doctor and promoting him. I never mentioned that he was friends with Dr. Donghoon Lee. I didn't want to look like I was advertising.
The funny part is that a troll added this to my diary ;D
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Did you stay in Turkey at the Remedy Istanbul hotel? And how are you doing now?
I am talking now with the doctor. I still don’t know which doctor to go. I was considering to go to FATIH ARSLANOGLU but now I am doubting between the doctor you have been to and him.
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Hi may I ask why u chose l’on method there is a risk of IM infection which is pretty dangerous, have you ever heard of Latn method does your doctor do this ¿
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Did you stay in Turkey at the Remedy Istanbul hotel? And how are you doing now?
I am talking now with the doctor. I still don’t know which doctor to go. I was considering to go to FATIH ARSLANOGLU but now I am doubting between the doctor you have been to and him.
No i didn't stay at the hotel. I'm going well. Choosing to doctor is important. I haven't heard many good things about that doctor. I hope everything turns out the way you want.
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Hi may I ask why u chose l’on method there is a risk of IM infection which is pretty dangerous, have you ever heard of Latn method does your doctor do this ¿
I've heard of the latn method. I don't know if my doctor will do it, I never asked.
I chose the Lon method because I wanted the bone to fuse properly. Each method has its own advantages and disadvantages.
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Hi, the items you use for your stretching and ankle, what's their name in Turkish, or do you have links? I want to buy them too, thanks.
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Hi, the items you use for your stretching and ankle, what's their name in Turkish, or do you have links? I want to buy them too, thanks.
Hi, I will pm them all to you.
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Yeah I get what u mean but I’m hesitant between these two methods at first I was determined that I wanted to do Lon now I’m like what if there would be an infection and they have to do debriement like I would loose the actual height that I have right now
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Yeah I get what u mean but I’m hesitant between these two methods at first I was determined that I wanted to do Lon now I’m like what if there would be an infection and they have to do debriement like I would loose the actual height that I have right now
Yes you are right, each method has its own difficulties and risks. There is a risk of infection in all. Some methods have more. I will send you pm about it.
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Have you removed ex fix yet? How long till u think u can walk unassisted?
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Have you removed ex fix yet? How long till u think u can walk unassisted?
My fixators have been removed. I think in 1-2 months. This is because I gained weight lol. My doctor told me not to gain weight. Weight makes balance problem. The thinner you are for this surgery, the better.
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Update
My extension period is over. My fixators were removed. I grew 6.9cm.
When I came out of the surgery, I was in a lot of pain. I thought it would be less painful than the first surgery but it was 3x more painful than the first surgery.
I remember anesthetically telling my doctor that it hurts so much. I was constantly sleepy and waking up. In a few hours most of the pain were gone.
I was discharged the day after the surgery. It was very painful for 5 days, I was using heavy painkillers sometimes 2 sometimes 4 times a day.
After the 5th day, there was no pain at all. I don't use painkillers anymore, I don't have any pain. The swelling and edema in my legs began to disappear suddenly. I'm back to normal.
It feels great to have my fixators gone. Now I can sleep as I want. Everything is going well I'm happy.
I gained weight when I should have lost weight, don't do it like this lol
I'm slowly getting back to normal, now I'm going to get physical therapy once a week.
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Update
My extension period is over. My fixators were removed. I grew 6.9cm.
When I came out of the surgery, I was in a lot of pain. I thought it would be less painful than the first surgery but it was 3x more painful than the first surgery.
I remember anesthetically telling my doctor that it hurts so much. I was constantly sleepy and waking up. In a few hours most of the pain were gone.
I was discharged the day after the surgery. It was very painful for 5 days, I was using heavy painkillers sometimes 2 sometimes 4 times a day.
After the 5th day, there was no pain at all. I don't use painkillers anymore, I don't have any pain. The swelling and edema in my legs began to disappear suddenly. I'm back to normal.
It feels great to have my fixators gone. Now I can sleep as I want. Everything is going well I'm happy.
I gained weight when I should have lost weight, don't do it like this lol
I'm slowly getting back to normal, now I'm going to get physical therapy once a week.
Any idea why is it so much more painful? Shouldnt it be less? Many people said the fixator removal hurts like hell. But its relatively simple compared to the first one?
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Any idea why is it so much more painful? Shouldnt it be less? Many people said the fixator removal hurts like hell. But its relatively simple compared to the first one?
It doesn't hurt to remove the fixator, it does to fix the nail on the leg. Yes it hurts like hell lol. At least for me, the pain eased a lot after 1 hour. Yes, it's less risky than the first surgery, but it's more painful.
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wow, 6.9cm, do you have ballerina, if not, how do you archive that? thanks
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wow, 6.9cm, do you have ballerina, if not, how do you archive that? thanks
No i don't have. My heels are touching the ground. I walked a lot and stretching exercises. The best exercise is your walking.
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No i don't have. My heels are touching the ground. I walked a lot and stretching exercises. The best exercise is your walking.
I did precice, cannot walk much, I'm figuring out how to avoid ballerina now.
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I did precice, cannot walk much, I'm figuring out how to avoid ballerina now.
I wish the best for you.
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Was the whole thing worth it? Any point in time where u regret? Congrats on your new height!
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Was the whole thing worth it? Any point in time where u regret? Congrats on your new height!
Thankfully, I survived this process without complications and it was much less painful than I expected. That's why so i can say it was worth it. Some days I was about to regret it. It's really hard to sleep with fixators. Hits somewhere. The pain in the fixator removal surgery (that was the pain I experienced the most during this process) - Not being able to go out.
Sometimes I was thinking why I didn't do the precice 2 (I wouldn't walk because of my weight) At least all of this was left behind and this process took 3 months.
Thank you very much my friend, I hope you reach your goal without complications.
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Good to hear that everything went well! I see you get 1 time a week physio, shouldn’t that be more?
And my I ask where you heard about Fatih and what exactly? Because I couldn’t find anything negative about him.
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Good to hear that everything went well! I see you get 1 time a week physio, shouldn’t that be more?
And my I ask where you heard about Fatih and what exactly? Because I couldn’t find anything negative about him.
Thank you so much! I was taking physical therapy every 2 days. Extension is over and my heels are touching the ground so once a week is enough just for control purposes. I will send you a pm about that doc.
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I get the same questions from pm many times. Instead of giving the same answers to the same questions, I write here. If you have any other questions you can send pm me.
Why did you grow 6.9 cm? Most people do not exceed 6 cm in the tibia
It's about your bone height. 20% of my bone was 7.2cm. Also, my heels were touching the ground. Your body is telling you what the limit is. In any case, do not leave it at the last limit. 1 mm is a very small size, but not for the body. Especially after 6 cm.
Did you notice that you're get taller? What was the reaction of the people around you?
You don't notice much because you're growing in mm every day. I started to notice after 5 cm. yes people said i'm getting taller.
How are the pain situations? I'm really very curious. What does the pain look like?
It rises and falls like breathing. It's like you hit your foot. It's tolerable, but it's annoying that it's constant. It is usually at night. More like a feeling of discomfort.
What was your experience with your doctor?
I am really pleased. He always replied to my messages. He was making time for me. I think this is the most important thing in this process.
Would you like to have the second surgery?
I would want to be taller but my propotions would look funny so, no.
What do you think was the most important thing during this process?
Be sure to walk a lot. If you're underweight and on a budget, do the internal method. Stretching will help you up to a point, but after 3 cm, things will start to get difficult and this will increase with each mm you lengthed. No tool or physical therapy can put as much pressure on your feet as your own weight. For example, you are 60 kg, when you stand up, your feet carry 60 kg and you walk like this. This will protect you from ballerina syndrome.
Why did you lon? you didn't do precice2?
I didn't want to spend 6 months of my time for surgery, losing weight. I did it because I didn't have time.
Why didn't you make a femur?
My femur was normal, my tibia was short. It would look very funny if I lengthed the femur. Also I couldn't make a lon femur that would be torture. Also I could tilt my feet left and right and lie face down. If I made a lon femur, I wouldn't do these.
Why are you posting diary?
The only reason for this is that there is little and false information about this surgery. You can learn the surgery not from the best doctors but from those who have surgery because doctors didn't have surgery lol. There are also fake diaries that haven't been operated on to gain customers. That's why I want people to know. Everything you read in my diary is objective impartial facts.
How did you take all the risks?
Your risk of dying from anesthesia is very low. You need to stand up and walk against the risk of embolism. You will also use blood thinners. A good doctor will understand the risks such as infection immediately and stop the lengthening. The risk of infection is equal in all methods. If the nail placed in your legs during the surgery is not sterile, you will have an infection. This can happen to any method. The other infection is the surface infection, it can only be in the fixators. If you take care of it every day, you won't have any problems. I was changing every day and had no problems. The other risk is improper fusion of our bone. If there is a nail inside, this will rotate correctly and your bone will fuse straight. If there is a wrong fusion and you have a fixator, a good doctor will fix it instantly.
What advice would you give to those who want to have surgery?
Do lots of research. First, you need to find a good doctor. This is not a simple surgery. Doctor is very important. I would rather a good doctor operate with a bad method than a bad doctor operating with a good method.
Most doctors will see you as money. No doctor talks about patients who have failed complications. Stay away from advertisers. The choice of doctor will be your most important choice. Most doctors won't take care of you after surgery. Because he took the money and did the surgery. You need him now. So go to the doctor who can always be reached and who can fix it even if something goes wrong. Which country and doctor this is something you choose. Don't believe anyone's recommendations, decide by yourself.
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lol at this autist
Oh you again? I thought you would never dare write again. Well then, before I ignore you, it's time to write a few things down. You troll most diaries and insult people, except for a few. Those trying to undermine my diary can only have 2 purposes.
1- Competitor companies in Turkey. Because I did not choose them and I will not, yes, I do not want to write and deal with every company and doctor one by one. And I know how they cripple people. There is a reason why it took me 6 years to research this surgery and find the right doctor.
2- Or jealousy because I had surgery at this height. I'll be honest, I don't care about your trauma or jealousy. Some people do it to get a job or to get over their height obsession. This is a surgery forum, not a height comparison forum. It doesn't matter what height you are. This forum for those who have surgery or want to get information about the surgery.
I went through this process without any problems and I'm glad I did. Maybe someone will see this article and stop going to other butchers in Turkey.
I looked at your previous posts, you usually spend your grudge against tall people by writing this forum.
the reason youre not getting sympathy is that youre already at a height for which 99% of the rest of the forum would throw their mothers in a woodchipper for
You are so right! ;D That's why I think you wrote this, you and people like you. So i realize that i don't get sympathy, actually, i don't care.
Now I understand why people who had surgery don't post diaries on this forum. This place is already swarming with the company's staff looking for fake diaries and clients. Because not to mess with trolls like you. Jealousy is the only reason for trying to undermine this process instead of thanking those who try to help by taking the time to upload it to the forum and explain it to people. There are many people you don't know who had this surgery and didn't write a diary about it. People taller than my starting height. I honestly don't care about trolls like you. I don't care if you try to undermine my diary and troll, I'll keep updating it.
If you have a problem with me, sort it out yourself because I can't deal with it.
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I read a lot of diaries and the trolls are always the same! You just have to check their posts and they lose all credibility! Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Most people won’t do it because of all the negativity…
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I read a lot of diaries and the trolls are always the same! You just have to check their posts and they lose all credibility! Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Most people won’t do it because of all the negativity…
Unfortunately, they are taking this forum out of its purpose and people who write real diaries get tired of them like you said. You are right. Btw thank you so much for your kind words.
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Butcher? This doctor is obviously the best option in Turkey i asked Dr. Donghoon Lee about him.
Yes everyone is comfortable sharing the cost because most diaries are fake and have takeaway prices like restaurant menu.
Why are not fake diaries undermined like this, rather they are written as if they were real? I don't understand...
This doctor has only one diary on this forum and I haven't seen any posts praising the doctor in this diary. In addition, this person really explained this process in a very honest and impartial way. He said he was in pain. The diaries that claim to have made a lon femur and which tells not suffering are not trolled and this diary is undermined? I do not allow. It is obvious that you are an employee of a rival butcher company.
Huh? I guess you couldn't find an excuse to undermine the diary lol. You will be a real man when you are not jealous of others.
Thank you but you are dealing with an ant.
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Fabulous diary. Will you do interviewing cyborg4life? I will go with Dr. Donghoon Lee. If I was going to do it in Turkey, I would definitely go with your doctor.
I'll be honest, it scares me to think I'm going to have surgery. Even i made plans it's makes me nervous. You need confidence even you travel where you didn't know.
And i am planning to have surgery it is more complicated when i think to myself. What was the most difficult process in this surgery? How did you deal with fear?
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Fabulous diary. Will you do interviewing cyborg4life? I will go with Dr. Donghoon Lee. If I was going to do it in Turkey, I would definitely go with your doctor.
I'll be honest, it scares me to think I'm going to have surgery. Even i made plans it's makes me nervous. You need confidence even you travel where you didn't know.
And i am planning to have surgery it is more complicated when i think to myself. What was the most difficult process in this surgery? How did you deal with fear?
Thanks. We talked to cyborg4life via email. He said he would not interview patients or doctors for a long time. Now he's mostly making videos like nail wars. He said he would send me an e-mail in the future. He also said that he saw my doctor in Dr. Donghoon Lee's video.
It's normal to be nervous and scared. On the contrary, it would be strange if you were not afraid and nervous. If I had the right to choose 1 from the most difficult process, I would say before the operation. I was very scared as I had never had surgery before. And I even thought of giving up 1 day before my surgery. There is no such thing as fearlessness in this world. Those who can go on despite the feeling of fear are fearless. Dr. Donghoon Lee is a good doctor you will be fine.
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Can you post a pic of your X-ray after nail removal? I want to see the alignment of your bones.
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If you have recent imaging data please put it at this thread. Redact any information that could be used to dox you.
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Update
I missed the update on the forum because I returned to normal life. Now my lengthening process is over and I will update it at long intervals as there is nothing to add.
Everything is fine, I no longer walk with a walker. I walk fast and normally with crutches. I walk a bit like a penguin without any crutches support, I can't keep my balance because I gained weight in the process. I don't feel any tension.
I came out 1.81cm-182cm in height measurement. By my own calculations, I was supposed to be 6.9 cm. My doctor told me it was 6.6 cm. When I gain weight, there is a load on my spine, so I will be 183cm max, not 184.
1-2 years later I will have the nail removed. I'm not as active on this forum as I used to be because I'm back to normal life. I'll update as I get the chance.
Photo with my doctor. I am truly grateful to my doctor. Honestly, I knew the bias in Turkey and so I waited 6 years to find the right doctor. He really always took care of me.
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Was it worth it in your opinion?
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Was it worth it in your opinion?
Yes! it's definitely worth it to me. I would just like to lengt a little longer, but it is risky to lengt it too much in the tibia. I couldn't have a femur because I had short tibias. Apart from these, the process was more painless and easier than I expected, now I feel better.
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Thats awesome, hope my procedure goes smoothly. Pretty nervous tbh
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Thats awesome, hope my procedure goes smoothly. Pretty nervous tbh
Are you going to do it with him?
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Thats awesome, hope my procedure goes smoothly. Pretty nervous tbh
Thanks! It's normal to be nervous ;D I hope your procedure goes well and you get what you want. You can always pm me. Best wishes.
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Thank you for your diary i learned a lot from you. I hope you continue to update.
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Uchiha,
Do you know which hotel Dr Bilgili and his team use for their patients that buy the three months LL package?
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Uchiha,
Do you know which hotel Dr Bilgili and his team use for their patients that buy the three months LL package?
Antwell Hotel
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Thank you for your diary i learned a lot from you. I hope you continue to update.
Thank you. I don't have time to write a diary these days. Everything is fine and I'm glad I had this surgery. You can ask your questions by sending a message. I will answer when I have time.
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I hope you're happy with your new height. How's your life going? Is everything ok ? Please keep updating the diary.
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anyone know the cost for LON with this Dr for either tib or femur?
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I hope you're happy with your new height. How's your life going? Is everything ok ? Please keep updating the diary.
I went back to my old life. Everything is fine. I will try to update when I find time.
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Update
Today is 1 year since I had surgery. I go to the gym and I can do all the leg exercises. I walk outside the same way as before and no one would ever know I had surgery unless they saw the scars on my legs. I can climb stairs easily. The time required to run and jump is 2 years. It would be difficult for me to run and jump right now. If I have time after 1 year, I will update it. I'm glad I had the surgery. I haven't regretted even a single day. I try to respond to personal messages whenever I have time.
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Thanks for the update
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Update
Today is 1 year since I had surgery. I go to the gym and I can do all the leg exercises. I walk outside the same way as before and no one would ever know I had surgery unless they saw the scars on my legs. I can climb stairs easily. The time required to run and jump is 2 years. It would be difficult for me to run and jump right now. If I have time after 1 year, I will update it. I'm glad I had the surgery. I haven't regretted even a single day. I try to respond to personal messages whenever I have time.
Good for you man !
We wait for updates, time to time...
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Good for you man !
We wait for updates, time to time...
Hello Ted68
Thank you for your comment. I try to update it whenever I have time. Also, we have something in common now. (Mustafa Gokhan Bilgili) is our hero. I liked your diary very much. and I follow your diary.
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I am one of the guests who read your diary. I created an account on this forum so I can write to your diary. Thank you very much, I learned a lot about LL thanks to you. I read your diary many times. I am writing this post to thank you. I'm sure many guests like me agree. It's great that you're publishing this diary for guests. I sincerely thank and respect you. I hope you are happy with your new height. Please update when you have time.
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You're welcome. I have already explained why I publish a diary. I was a guest on this forum for years. I explained my surgery process objectively from start to finish. I have no regrets about having the surgery and I am satisfied. Because everything went well and my doctor was good, I exercised every day and walked a lot. Now all I have to do is run and jump. That's why I don't need to update because my surgery process is over. I try to respond to messages whenever I have time. I also thank you for your nice post.
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How do you feel right now? Do you have any regrets? Are you the same as before? Things like running or jumping? Please keep updating :-*
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I'm glad you achieved your goal.
What were the lengths of your femur and tibia before surgery?
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How do you feel right now? Do you have any regrets? Are you the same as before? Things like running or jumping? Please keep updating :-*
I feel better. I have no regrets. I still can't run or jump but my walking is normal as before. There isn't much to update anymore. I try to respond to pm's whenever I have time.
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I'm glad you achieved your goal.
What were the lengths of your femur and tibia before surgery?
Thank you! I hope you reach your desired goal.
I will ask my doctor about this. I only remember the length of the my tibia, I wrote it in my diary. 20% of my bone was 7.2cm My tibia bone was shorter than my femur bone. My femur/tibia ratio was 1.34 After surgery now 1.3
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Little update
It's been a long time since I've had an x-ray. I went to a hospital near me and had an x-ray. Nails will be removed after 6 months.
My x-rays https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1q8h-jrfptfCmGEGrzkEFJ7LMSlWwjw3N?usp=sharing
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Why is it hard for you to run and jump? When will you be able to do so like before surgery?
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Why is it hard for you to run and jump? When will you be able to do so like before surgery?
Not for me. This is a rule that applies to everyone. If you become this surgery, you cannot run or jump for 2 years after surgery. It is never recommended to do this and you will harm yourself. You can do this when your bone is as strong as before.
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Hi, It's been 2 years already, can I ask if you can run yet and how do you feel?
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Hi, It's been 2 years already, can I ask if you can run yet and how do you feel?
Hey, Yes, time passes quickly. I can't jump as much as before. I've never tried running. Even if I try, I can't do it right now. But I would like to point out that after the lengthening period, I started smoking again... As you know, the tibia bone heals slower than the femur. And smoking delays your recovery. Also, when I strain my legs, I feel the pressure of the internal nails. This year I will get rid of the internal nails and it would be more accurate to test running and jumping this way. How do I feel. I don't feel anything in terms of health. Just like before, I walk, climb stairs, etc. My legs are more durable than before. A year ago, long walks made me tired. I am regaining the muscle loss I lost. I'm terrible at flexibility and sometimes experience mild contractions. But this does not happen in daily life, it happens more when you make difficult and adverse movements and disappears after a few seconds. The only thing I don't feel good about is the scars. This is the disadvantage of the Lon method. When I go swimming most people look at my legs. This surgery became very popular thanks to social media.
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I get more questions from pm about my dating life than about surgery... I do not answer such questions. Ask these kinds of questions to people who had this surgery for dating life. This is not the purpose of me having this surgery. I had this surgery for a job requirement. This is something I want to do as a hobby. Because I went to the course before, and was eliminated in the qualifiers. This caused me to become obsessed and I had to get over it. If you have the same reasons as me, my advice to you is that this modeling industry has now switched to Instagram influencers rather than height and physique. You can do this even at 1.60 cm. Now It's very difficult to find a job. In other countries it is very easy because you are different race etc. But the salary you'll get won't be worth it. Keep this in mind that most companies now require you to be a minimum of 185 cm and above. Even though I am this tall, it is very difficult to find a job. So If you want this job, think carefully. In such environments, I am one of the shortest people. Everything would have been different 5-6 years ago, but it is very different now. Your scars will be a huge problem. Forget podium category. Photo modeling is the only option. I wrote this post for guests. I was a guest of this forum for 6 years. I had surgery with the information in this forum I learned and wrote everything objectively in my diary. I also know that a lot of people don't publish diaries. I see that the toxic people is still in this forum. Ignore these toxics and publish your diary objectively. It's funny how people have hatred and jealousy towards people who are 1.70 - 175 cm tall or above and have had surgery. These fools are only seeing the tip of the iceberg here. Basketball players who had surgery to become taller, or those who had surgery for the TV, Movie series industry, Professional fighters etc. Ignore such toxics and do what you want. Focus on your life ;) Whether you are tall or short, your experience with this surgery will not change. Instead of encouraging people to publish diaries they are judged or belittled. But then this fools spend hours on the forum to get information lol. There are people here who write about their own poop in their diary... So I wanted to write in my diary something for those who thought about writing a diary but gave up. I have 2 friends I met on this forum who had surgery from a different doctor in another country, and they do not want to publish a diary just for this reason. Who knows how many people I don't know have given up? Anyway If you want to ask questions about the surgery, send me a pm and I will answer them one by one when I'm available. I will update when I remove the internal nails.