Limb Lengthening Forum
Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: Jake24 on September 23, 2022, 06:04:09 PM
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Hi guys, Ive been researching about LL for about a year now and for the past few years I have been really wanting to get taller badly. However, these few months I've gotten to know many people around the mid 20's-30's. Iam currently 18 and I can say the best way to counter short height is by being way more successful than the people that are way taller than you. If you become confident, succesful, rich and youre full of charisma and decent looking, Height is not a big problem at all. I know many tall and good looking guys that aernt succesful and in fact poor. Of course this depends on what country youre in and the average height, But in my country, It is ok to be short. (not really) Control the things that you can control and be better than the taller people at it. Work on being more succesful than them instead of being depressed everyday about your height. Girls in their early / mid 20's that have started to work will realize height isn't as important and that they would rather have a partner they can depend on and live their life with. I guarantee you most girls that have started to work full time would choose someone that is short in height but richer, more succesful, better personality, etc etc over someone that is just tall and good looking. They would be attracted to your confidence 100%. Work on having the presence of being the tallest (not physically) in the room. Feel free to discuss in the comments below :)
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Hi guys, Ive been researching about LL for about a year now and for the past few years I have been really wanting to get taller badly. However, these few months I've gotten to know many people around the mid 20's-30's. Iam currently 18 and I can say the best way to counter short height is by being way more successful than the people that are way taller than you. If you become confident, succesful, rich and youre full of charisma and decent looking, Height is not a big problem at all. I know many tall and good looking guys that aernt succesful and in fact poor. Of course this depends on what country youre in and the average height, But in my country, It is ok to be short. (not really) Control the things that you can control and be better than the taller people at it. Work on being more succesful than them instead of being depressed everyday about your height. Girls in their early / mid 20's that have started to work will realize height isn't as important and that they would rather have a partner they can depend on and live their life with. I guarantee you most girls that have started to work full time would choose someone that is short in height but richer, more succesful, better personality, etc etc over someone that is just tall and good looking. They would be attracted to your confidence 100%. Work on having the presence of being the tallest (not physically) in the room. Feel free to discuss in the comments below :)
This isn’t new, most people know that there are other areas in life they can improve in and many of them do and end up with a decent life, good girlfriend, etc. sometimes through some life experiences people end up thinking about height too much and it can become an obessession ( I’ve been through this). There are people who do lengthening even after being successful in other aspects of life but they still have their height that’s always with them which they dislike. Doingitforme was one of those guys and you’ll see some other people in similar positions if you look around on the forum.
You’re 18 so your still pretty young, I hope you don’t have negative experiences related to your height and not obsess over it.
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Turn on your volume
https://www.facebook.com/findmeafunnyvideo/videos/critical-bulldog-unimpressed-by-scare-prank/1826607904030844/
the dog face at the end
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Speaking anecdotally I disagree somewhat. In this response I’m assuming these males are in the US (because that’s what I know), decent looking but not hot, they have good hygiene, dress well, workout etc. but they aren’t super gifted in the face department, just average or slightly above. Also, like you said, this applies to men in their mid 20’s to mid 30’s. I think this age range is important because most people will be out of school, brains fully developed, in the “real world” and looking for a life partner. I’m going to compare how much success/money you need at various heights to have equivalent sized dating pools.
That being established this is what I’ve observed, the shorter you are the success required to balance that out will go up exponentially. For example a 5’9” male making low 6 figures and with decent looks is going to have a large dating pool. But once you get into the “short” category (about 5’6”) to be as attractive as that 5’9” low six figure income male you have to make a lot more, more than double for sure. Status is probably a more accurate variable than money though even though the two almost always go hand in hand. So I’d say if the 5’9” male is a computer programmer with a bachelors degree, then to be equally attractive the 5’6” male has to something like a surgeon. Once you are in the “very short” category (5’3”ish) that becomes extremely difficult to overcome. At that point you are looking at being a B list celebrity or a CEO of a decent sized corporation. I also think once you are that short, the label will never leave you. I know it’s harsh but at that height the way people see you will always be mired by your height. Going below that into the barely or even below 5 foot range I don’t think is possible to overcome. Of course keep in mind that there will always be exceptions but I’m talking equivalent dating pools.
The flip side is being above average height (5’11” to 6’) allows you to work a lower status job like being a teacher or a family therapist to be equivalent to the shorter more successful heights. Going even taller to what most people would consider ideal, the standard “tall” height range (6’1”to 6’3”) I think the equivalent status would be trades, like being a real estate agent or a welder. I don’t think you get much benefit that I’m aware of for being taller than that, the very tall category (6’4” and up) seems to have diminishing returns and actually might not increase attractiveness.
Anyways those are my thoughts and would like to hear anyone elses. I’m not trying to doomer pull anyone, this is just what I’ve observed and could totally be proven wrong. To close out, here are some, mostly anecdotal/ case studies that have influenced my opinions.
Case study on what men women would chose based on height and jobs:
https://youtu.be/ZbG05ePWRQE
Sketchy data on how much money you need to make based on height:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/ac29zz/dating_heightincome_trade_off_for_men_and_women/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
An actual good study showing that the minimum height women would date is 5’9 and ideally men are 8 inches taller than the woman:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000020
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Speaking anecdotally I disagree somewhat. In this response I’m assuming these males are in the US (because that’s what I know), decent looking but not hot, they have good hygiene, dress well, workout etc. but they aren’t super gifted in the face department, just average or slightly above. Also, like you said, this applies to men in their mid 20’s to mid 30’s. I think this age range is important because most people will be out of school, brains fully developed, in the “real world” and looking for a life partner. I’m going to compare how much success/money you need at various heights to have equivalent sized dating pools.
That being established this is what I’ve observed, the shorter you are the success required to balance that out will go up exponentially. For example a 5’9” male making low 6 figures and with decent looks is going to have a large dating pool. But once you get into the “short” category (about 5’6”) to be as attractive as that 5’9” low six figure income male you have to make a lot more, more than double for sure. Status is probably a more accurate variable than money though even though the two almost always go hand in hand. So I’d say if the 5’9” male is a computer programmer with a bachelors degree, then to be equally attractive the 5’6” male has to something like a surgeon. Once you are in the “very short” category (5’3”ish) that becomes extremely difficult to overcome. At that point you are looking at being a B list celebrity or a CEO of a decent sized corporation. I also think once you are that short, the label will never leave you. I know it’s harsh but at that height the way people see you will always be mired by your height. Going below that into the barely or even below 5 foot range I don’t think is possible to overcome. Of course keep in mind that there will always be exceptions but I’m talking equivalent dating pools.
The flip side is being above average height (5’11” to 6’) allows you to work a lower status job like being a teacher or a family therapist to be equivalent to the shorter more successful heights. Going even taller to what most people would consider ideal, the standard “tall” height range (6’1”to 6’3”) I think the equivalent status would be trades, like being a real estate agent or a welder. I don’t think you get much benefit that I’m aware of for being taller than that, the very tall category (6’4” and up) seems to have diminishing returns and actually might not increase attractiveness.
Anyways those are my thoughts and would like to hear anyone elses. I’m not trying to doomer pull anyone, this is just what I’ve observed and could totally be proven wrong. To close out, here are some, mostly anecdotal/ case studies that have influenced my opinions.
Case study on what men women would chose based on height and jobs:
https://youtu.be/ZbG05ePWRQE
Sketchy data on how much money you need to make based on height:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/ac29zz/dating_heightincome_trade_off_for_men_and_women/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
An actual good study showing that the minimum height women would date is 5’9 and ideally men are 8 inches taller than the woman:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000020
The 5'9 refers to most women. The graph based on this study shows that at 5'9 something about 65% would consider dating you (aka you are judged by other characteristics and not disqualified by your height). This is why I dont understand people here who struggle at 5'8 and above... even according to the most blackpilled study, at 5'8+ at least for 50% of women, your height is fine (maybe not ideal, but fine). This is why also the best risk/benefit ratio for getting this surgery is at the heights of 5'5-5'8 as with 2-3 inches you get to a height where most women wont automatically reject you
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Hi guys, Ive been researching about LL for about a year now and for the past few years I have been really wanting to get taller badly. However, these few months I've gotten to know many people around the mid 20's-30's. Iam currently 18 and I can say the best way to counter short height is by being way more successful than the people that are way taller than you. If you become confident, succesful, rich and youre full of charisma and decent looking, Height is not a big problem at all. I know many tall and good looking guys that aernt succesful and in fact poor. Of course this depends on what country youre in and the average height, But in my country, It is ok to be short. (not really) Control the things that you can control and be better than the taller people at it. Work on being more succesful than them instead of being depressed everyday about your height. Girls in their early / mid 20's that have started to work will realize height isn't as important and that they would rather have a partner they can depend on and live their life with. I guarantee you most girls that have started to work full time would choose someone that is short in height but richer, more succesful, better personality, etc etc over someone that is just tall and good looking. They would be attracted to your confidence 100%. Work on having the presence of being the tallest (not physically) in the room. Feel free to discuss in the comments below :)
You don't understand. I am 5'2.5. I can literally be the CEO of Toontown and still I will be judged on my height. This personality, success, riches works only in the movies.
Keep in mind I was also 22 and invested in stocks. I made 6 figures in 5 minutes. I am studying an advanced degree. I have more in my bank account than others my age. I have absolutely no debt at all. Yet, women are repulsed by me. Other men do not respect me at all.
HEIGHT MATTERS
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You don't understand. I am 5'2.5. I can literally be the CEO of Toontown and still I will be judged on my height. This personality, success, riches works only in the movies.
Keep in mind I was also 22 and invested in stocks. I made 6 figures in 5 minutes. I am studying an advanced degree. I have more in my bank account than others my age. I have absolutely no debt at all. Yet, women are repulsed by me. Other men do not respect me at all.
HEIGHT MATTERS
I think everyone can agree height matters and at your height doing LL would make total sense. You seem like you have the money to do the surgery, is there anything holding you back from doing it?
I can't fulling remember the guys name i think it was infinitestryde or something like that, he was around the same height as you and did LL but he seemed like he did good in life.
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I think everyone can agree height matters and at your height doing LL would make total sense. You seem like you have the money to do the surgery, is there anything holding you back from doing it?
I can't fulling remember the guys name i think it was infinitestryde or something like that, he was around the same height as you and did LL but he seemed like he did good in life.
Yes, the plan is to do it in December of this year. Can you post his experience?
I cannot wait to get rid of this height neurosis. It's destroyed my life.
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Yes, the plan is to do it in December of this year. Can you post his experience?
I cannot wait to get rid of this height neurosis. It's destroyed my life.
Here is the link to his profile, I got the name wrong.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5964
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The 5'9 refers to most women. The graph based on this study shows that at 5'9 something about 65% would consider dating you (aka you are judged by other characteristics and not disqualified by your height). This is why I dont understand people here who struggle at 5'8 and above... even according to the most blackpilled study, at 5'8+ at least for 50% of women, your height is fine (maybe not ideal, but fine). This is why also the best risk/benefit ratio for getting this surgery is at the heights of 5'5-5'8 as with 2-3 inches you get to a height where most women wont automatically reject you
The problem is 65% would consider you just based on height. You also need a good job, attractive face and physique, and personality. That’s why the 80, 20 rule exists.
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The problem is 65% would consider you just based on height. You also need a good job, attractive face and physique, and personality. That’s why the 80, 20 rule exists.
I know. But being even more tall wont help anymore. Height is an entrance ticket into the game
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I know. But being even more tall wont help anymore. Height is an entrance ticket into the game
I agree with this, height gets your foot in the door and is one of the things people initially judge you on. I see some of my friends who are average height or tall and picture them if they magically got 3 inches taller and pretty much nothing would change about them. They might get treated better in certain situation but even that is not a guarantee.
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Sambollio, you can be over 6'0 and unemployed as far as women are concerned. It's height first, and then everything else after that. The video you posted proves it.
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I dont know about you guys but I’d like to just be loved and respected without having to become a trillionaire driving a sports car.
I just want to be at peace being myself. And if I pursue a career it will be due to interest in said field not to try and “compensate” because I am not good enough the way I am physically.
I think a lot of guys here are hoping to escape that nightmare through LL as well. Just being able to stand with your shoes off with friends, girls and family a friday evening in an apartment having fun, and not feeling anxiety and subpar due to your lack of height while standing next to others.
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I know. But being even more tall wont help anymore. Height is an entrance ticket into the game
I don’t believe that you believe this. Let’s say a woman’s bare minimum to get your foot in the door to date her is 5’9”. You are telling me that being 6’2” won’t substantially increase her attraction? If you believe that it’s cope.
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Sambollio, you can be over 6'0 and unemployed as far as women are concerned. It's height first, and then everything else after that. The video you posted proves it.
No, this is just wrong. Status is immensely important to woman aswell as “being provided for/taken care of”. Height is very important but woman have a huge emphasis on what I said earlier aswell. Also the video doesn’t prove that, it just proves that extremely short men need to compensate a lot. I’m too lazy to go digging around and post anything, but I encourage you to challenge your ideas. Lookup “how willing are woman to date unemployed men” or “how status effects womens attraction to men” etc.
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I don’t believe that you believe this. Let’s say a woman’s bare minimum to get your foot in the door to date her is 5’9”. You are telling me that being 6’2” won’t substantially increase her attraction? If you believe that it’s cope.
A lot of women just want a man who’s taller than them. Being at least a few inches taller is best but not every women wants someone who towers over them. The majority of couples I see in public and the ones I know ( friends and family) the guy doesn’t tower over the girl, he will either be a bit taller or a few inches. And There are a few couples where the height is almost the same, but statistically that will not be as common as men on average are taller than women.
Online dating is a different story as so many people inflate heights, have inaccurate heights of other people, and are overall terrible at guessing height in real life. In real life 5’9” and above will usually never have problems with their height unless you got some height queen or a taller women who wants someone taller.
Edit: I’m speaking from someone who’s in Canada. USA is probably the same, not that different from Canada.
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I don’t believe that you believe this. Let’s say a woman’s bare minimum to get your foot in the door to date her is 5’9”. You are telling me that being 6’2” won’t substantially increase her attraction? If you believe that it’s cope.
I do believe actually. For a woman (and for a man) you need to be above the minimum threshold of her personal attraction, afterwards, everything else is just a bonus. If for a woman 5'9 is enough than being 6'2 wont have such an impact as being atleast 5'9.
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I do believe actually. For a woman (and for a man) you need to be above the minimum threshold of her personal attraction, afterwards, everything else is just a bonus. If for a woman 5'9 is enough than being 6'2 wont have such an impact as being atleast 5'9.
You’re greatly mistaken here. If the two men are similar in all regards except the height that 5 inches will be a huge determining factor. Women have so many options now that’s why they are able to slightly change their standards when choosing between two potential partners
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Speaking anecdotally I disagree somewhat. In this response I’m assuming these males are in the US (because that’s what I know), decent looking but not hot, they have good hygiene, dress well, workout etc. but they aren’t super gifted in the face department, just average or slightly above. Also, like you said, this applies to men in their mid 20’s to mid 30’s. I think this age range is important because most people will be out of school, brains fully developed, in the “real world” and looking for a life partner. I’m going to compare how much success/money you need at various heights to have equivalent sized dating pools.
That being established this is what I’ve observed, the shorter you are the success required to balance that out will go up exponentially. For example a 5’9” male making low 6 figures and with decent looks is going to have a large dating pool. But once you get into the “short” category (about 5’6”) to be as attractive as that 5’9” low six figure income male you have to make a lot more, more than double for sure. Status is probably a more accurate variable than money though even though the two almost always go hand in hand. So I’d say if the 5’9” male is a computer programmer with a bachelors degree, then to be equally attractive the 5’6” male has to something like a surgeon. Once you are in the “very short” category (5’3”ish) that becomes extremely difficult to overcome. At that point you are looking at being a B list celebrity or a CEO of a decent sized corporation. I also think once you are that short, the label will never leave you. I know it’s harsh but at that height the way people see you will always be mired by your height. Going below that into the barely or even below 5 foot range I don’t think is possible to overcome. Of course keep in mind that there will always be exceptions but I’m talking equivalent dating pools.
The flip side is being above average height (5’11” to 6’) allows you to work a lower status job like being a teacher or a family therapist to be equivalent to the shorter more successful heights. Going even taller to what most people would consider ideal, the standard “tall” height range (6’1”to 6’3”) I think the equivalent status would be trades, like being a real estate agent or a welder. I don’t think you get much benefit that I’m aware of for being taller than that, the very tall category (6’4” and up) seems to have diminishing returns and actually might not increase attractiveness.
Anyways those are my thoughts and would like to hear anyone elses. I’m not trying to doomer pull anyone, this is just what I’ve observed and could totally be proven wrong. To close out, here are some, mostly anecdotal/ case studies that have influenced my opinions.
Case study on what men women would chose based on height and jobs:
https://youtu.be/ZbG05ePWRQE
Sketchy data on how much money you need to make based on height:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/ac29zz/dating_heightincome_trade_off_for_men_and_women/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
An actual good study showing that the minimum height women would date is 5’9 and ideally men are 8 inches taller than the woman:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000020
This video was absolutely brutal I remember watching it a few months prior to actually getting the surgery. It’s so demeaning when you realize how much less “valued” you are compared to someone who is tall. For example when they start adding the occupations and salaries they are pretty much saying your value is this much less than another man. How those men must’ve felt is beyond me.
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After I got cheated by my ex, in addition to having known other way more imporant things, I ripped off my obsessions over height, face and other similar shiesses, and gave up a crep ton of expectations to relationship.
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If you're specifically concerned about women, physical attractiveness is a priority. Girls will f*** a handsome and tall guy, even if he's an unlikeable broke druggie. That's just the way it goes and we all know it.
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Nah dude. A poor 6’0+ guy will still bag a lot of girls.
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True.
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From my experience, only big muscles can make a short man appear manly enough. And even them can't help with women if you are shorter that 5.5-5.6. If.you are more than 5.7 but still not tall enough (less than 5.10-11) then muscles help a lot. More women would think you as big (for many of them being big or tall is about the same but at 5.4 you can't look big even if you are very muscular) and men will respect you much more.
Nothing else I believe can counter a good height for a man. Even muscles are hard to gain and keep while a good height will always stay there without any effort and is a major advantage especially for women.
But it is what it is and we must accept the reality and of course do the best we can to be our best version.
Money are very important to get women but still noone will be physically attracted to you only because you have money. And I am talking about physical attraction here. I would never want a woman to be with me only for my money. I always wanted to attract women with my appearance and my character. And in physicall attraction being dominant is the best way for women to be attracted to you. And the best way is to be "big" compared to her. And especially if your height is not enough, the best you can do is what I mentioned.
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From my experience, only big muscles can make a short man appear manly enough. And even them can help with women if you are shorter that 5.5-5.6. If.you are more than 5.7 but still not tall enough (less than 5.10-11) then muscles help a lot. More women would think you as big (for many of them being big or tall is about the same but at 5.4 you can't look big even if you are very muscular) and men will respect you much more.
Nothing else I believe can counter a good height for a man. Even muscles are hard to gain and keep while a good height will always stay there without any effort and is a major advantage especially for women.
But it is what it is and we must accept the reality and of course do the best we can to be our best version.
How are your legs doing BB
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A tall, gangster will attract women and eventually have an accidential child with her.
At this point tho, the woman screwed up her life
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How are your legs doing BB
After the last surgery I had about 4 years ago to shorten my achilles tendons that was messed up from my first doctor with achilles lengthening, I am better than ever.
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After the last surgery I had about 4 years ago to shorten my achilles tendons that was messed up from my first doctor with achilles lengthening, I am better than ever.
Glad to hear it.
How are your views on tibia lengthening in general? Do you think it’s possible to maintain ~90% of athletic ability if one goes for 3 cm to not strain the ACL too much?
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Glad to hear it.
How are your views on tibia lengthening in general? Do you think it’s possible to maintain ~90% of athletic ability if one goes for 3 cm to not strain the ACL too much?
I am totally against on doing something so invasive, risky and expensive for only 3cm. The minimum I believe that LL is worth are 5cm.
That said, id everything goes fine I find no reason to not reach 90% with lengthening only 3cm. Even with 5cm I believe you could be near there if you have a successful result.
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I am totally against on doing something so invasive, risky and expensive for only 3cm. The minimum I believe that LL is worth are 5cm.
That said, id everything goes fine I find no reason to not reach 90% with lengthening only 3cm. Even with 5cm I believe you could be near there if you have a successful result.
do you think people can generally reach 5cm? Coz imagine if you cant even get 5cm and doctors says its enough lengthenign
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I can tell you as a financially successful person that it helps but it has limits.
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do you think people can generally reach 5cm? Coz imagine if you cant even get 5cm and doctors says its enough lengthenign
Yes, 5cm is a safe and doable amount for any LLer and capable.doctor. Don't do LL for less than that, it won't change anything to how you look.
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5cm is totally safe even for tibias.
For very short people I don't think 5cm+5cm is enough.
You gotta make a trade-off between a post-surgery tragedy that you will be still short after bilateral lengthening and run the marginal risks beyond the 10cm safe limit by 2-3cm(I don't think that is as horrible as some users here said).
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I might go for 5-7cm then. I dont really need it but I have enough money and dont know what to do with it.
Like I could invest it but I dont plan to live that long tbh.
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Which country or doctor are you contemplating doing with LL with?
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Germany or Poland. Its closeby, on top I have more control over my rights ;)
I dont know if i can trust polish doctors, i think they lack experience. Some were
apparently trained by paley but you also need some patient cases under your belt
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Yes, 5cm is a safe and doable amount for any LLer and capable.doctor. Don't do LL for less than that, it won't change anything to how you look.
4cm is pretty good. If it means better recovery and proportions-wise, might be a wise move.
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Yes, 5cm is a safe and doable amount for any LLer and capable.doctor. Don't do LL for less than that, it won't change anything to how you look.
I was thinking 3 cm Tibias + 4 cm Femurs with as slow a lengthening as possible to minimize the strain on soft tissue and complication risks long term.
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I was thinking 3 cm Tibias + 4 cm Femurs with as slow a lengthening as possible to minimize the strain on soft tissue and complication risks long term.
You'll end up giving 80k+ dollars (for internal femurs and external tibias or more than 100k for both internals) for a respectabke doctor (because you said you want to minimize the risks so you need only a serious and capable doctor who are always expensive) for something you can achieve easily with only femurs LL and without many risks.
These amounts for LL (like 3cm) are a joke. Better do femur LL and take a good car or give the extra money to charities if you hase so plemty that you are willing to do 2 LLs for 7cm. After all 2 so invasive surgeries are mote risky than doing one and lengthening a normal amount like 6cm on tibias or 7 on femurs.
But lets stay on topic because most of the times every topic ends with how many cms would someone willing to do or with which doctor is he planing to do LL.
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Yeah, its always a trade off between risk and money. LL still is a very expensive and invasive procedure. It would be cool if it changed in the future but that is mainly related to investors that can potentially drive research in this field.
So if LL becomes a huge market then there surely will be new methods researched. I doubt it will become a big thing tho.
Even if you are short you can find a woman and live a happy life. So short men can generally be satisfied.
Of course some want to be top players on tinder and for that you need the 6'. But you can still be a player if you dont the 6'. Provide a fancy lifestyle and they will be all over you 8)
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This video gets posted a lot. I agree with the gist but this is also an extreme example. Stew is 5 feet tall. Thats like an order of magnitude shorter than most of the people even in this forum. Its like 1 inch away from being classified as a dwarf.
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This video gets posted a lot. I agree with the gist but this is also an extreme example. Stew is 5 feet tall. Thats like an order of magnitude shorter than most of the people even in this forum. Its like 1 inch away from being classified as a dwarf.
hmm, you going with dr becker? I want to 5'7 to 5'9 too. How much do I have to pay approximately in Euro?
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thats not the point.. nobody wants to have to work 10x harder for the same result bro. and if you do get very successful. what's 75k to just do a limb lengthening if you want it so bad. the physical pain is negligible compared to the mental.