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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: TakingAction on October 11, 2021, 03:21:47 AM
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Hi y'all, I'd like to know how much the dating life for men can be improved after the surgery? For anyone who has improved their dating life, please share your stories by trying to quantify your improvements on numbers of the second date/kisses as well as your height increase. Thanks!
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Hi y'all, I'd like to know how much the dating life for men can be improved after the surgery? For anyone who has improved their dating life, please share your stories by trying to quantify your improvements on numbers of the second date/kisses as well as your height increase. Thanks!
Saw some YouTube videos sharing how they succeeded in dating after their surgeries. It does improve your dating when you get taller.
I think the true love should not based on heights, but some girls do care about height more than looks and personality.
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"quantify your improvements on numbers of the second date/kisses"
The state of this forum.
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the last two dates did not go as well as I expected. basically because I was not as tall as they expected. I am 171.5 cm. They were a Spanish and a Dutch
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the last two dates did not go as well as I expected. basically because I was not as tall as they expected. I am 171.5 cm. They were a Spanish and a Dutch
171.5??? you did LL?
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I have not done it but I would like to gain 8 cm and I do not know where I think I would do it at doctor Betz
I want the technique that leaves less scars.
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The Spanish woman is 172cm tall and the Dutch woman is 175cm.
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Do you have the link or the name of the videos? I think we all know that surgery improves dating life. But the key question is that does it improve a little bit like a $100 jacket does OR does it improve dramatically like a $100,000 transformation?
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"quantify your improvements on numbers of the second date/kisses"
The state of this forum.
there are people like this, so what. you dont have to befriend them. Some women only go for the looks and dump the nice guy for a badboy loser. thats the game. then nice guys become bad boys because they dont see a point in playing the dating game or they just quit dating.
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It likely won't. Like for real. Short guys really need to stop thinking that their height is responsible for their struggles in life because 9 times out of 10 it really isn't.
Back when I lived as a guy, as a gay 5'8 man I had plenty of girls wanting to date me and hitting up on me.
And don't try to say that it's because 5'8 isn't that short, I literally have a guy friend that's like 5'4 and he doesn't have any problem with dating.
Stop blaming your dating difficulties on height and start looking on what makes you a bad person to date because that's probably the actual cause. Maybe you don't take care of yourself. Maybe you have a bad personnality. But height is very unlikely to be the culprit.
DO NOT get limb lengthening because of dating. Getting 10 more matches is absolutely not worth cutting of a fking limb only for it to grow back to incomplete functionality.
Yes you might get 10 more matches on tinder, but that doesn't really equals to more actually meaningful connections. Do you really want to end up with a girl shallow enough to decide whether to date you or not based on a 5 inch in difference ? Probably not. And the good news are these girls are a tiny majority.
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It likely won't. Like for real. Short guys really need to stop thinking that their height is responsible for their struggles in life because 9 times out of 10 it really isn't.
Back when I lived as a guy, as a gay 5'8 man I had plenty of girls wanting to date me and hitting up on me.
And don't try to say that it's because 5'8 isn't that short, I literally have a guy friend that's like 5'4 and he doesn't have any problem with dating.
Stop blaming your dating difficulties on height and start looking on what makes you a bad person to date because that's probably the actual cause. Maybe you don't take care of yourself. Maybe you have a bad personnality. But height is very unlikely to be the culprit.
DO NOT get limb lengthening because of dating. Getting 10 more matches is absolutely not worth cutting of a fking limb only for it to grow back to incomplete functionality.
Yes you might get 10 more matches on tinder, but that doesn't really equals to more actually meaningful connections. Do you really want to end up with a girl shallow enough to decide whether to date you or not based on a 5 inch in difference ? Probably not. And the good news are these girls are a tiny majority.
5'8 isn't that short, try 5'2
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Even at 5'2 I genuinely don't think it's that big of a problem. Most of the time, the one who's uncomfortable with it isn't even the girl it's usually the guy. Like most guys just won't have a girlfriend that's taller than them for whatever reason, you just have to talk to tall girls to realize that they're probably struggling as much as you if not more.
Not to mention that there's a ton of women at and under 5'2.
Moreover, I mean even if you get less sex friends of whatever, what's the big deal ? At least you'll be 100% sure that the ones who do get to know you are the real deal. I really don't see how that isn't a win win.
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It likely won't. Like for real. Short guys really need to stop thinking that their height is responsible for their struggles in life because 9 times out of 10 it really isn't.
Back when I lived as a guy, as a gay 5'8 man I had plenty of girls wanting to date me and hitting up on me.
And don't try to say that it's because 5'8 isn't that short, I literally have a guy friend that's like 5'4 and he doesn't have any problem with dating.
Stop blaming your dating difficulties on height and start looking on what makes you a bad person to date because that's probably the actual cause. Maybe you don't take care of yourself. Maybe you have a bad personnality. But height is very unlikely to be the culprit.
DO NOT get limb lengthening because of dating. Getting 10 more matches is absolutely not worth cutting of a fking limb only for it to grow back to incomplete functionality.
Yes you might get 10 more matches on tinder, but that doesn't really equals to more actually meaningful connections. Do you really want to end up with a girl shallow enough to decide whether to date you or not based on a 5 inch in difference ? Probably not. And the good news are these girls are a tiny majority.
wise words. thats what i think too.
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This is not very wise though because plenty of data points on this forum suggest that there are small to huge improvements for men's dating life after the surgery. The following posts are just some I gathered so far. Some has quantified the improvements which are very helpful info for those who decide the to do surgery.
1. "When i first started this LL journey, my theory was that when I get taller i’ll get hotter women, have to try less etc when it comes to girls Obvs not the only reason I did it but in that regard it was a theory I can now say with certainty that yes my theory was correct Last year when i was 5’7-5’8 I would get girls but honestly the girls i were seeing were okay A couple were hot but they would test me soo much This year the girls I am seeing are all hot as fk It is a shame but the grass is indeed a lot greener"
2. "Girls as well have been taking notice too I used to know this girl who was like 5’10 and there are alot of situations where I am taller than her now she acting different too"
3. "One positive thing. I went on a number of tinder dates on the weekend and one girl said to me after I stood up "you're kinda tall, how tall are you?" I've never had that in my life so that's amazing!!!"
4. "I’m not sure my dating life for girls who were shorter than me has improved drastically. In a club, for girls who were previously shorter than me, maybe ~70% were receptive talking to me. That’s probably like 80-85% now. I think the factors here are less about height but much more focused on looks / conversation skills / confidence. For girls who were my height or taller it’s changed drastically. This part of the population was ~15% of the pool pre-surgery (maybe like 30% including heels ie going clubbing). 0% who would have talked to me before now is about 80-85%."
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Even at 5'2 I genuinely don't think it's that big of a problem. Most of the time, the one who's uncomfortable with it isn't even the girl it's usually the guy. Like most guys just won't have a girlfriend that's taller than them for whatever reason, you just have to talk to tall girls to realize that they're probably struggling as much as you if not more.
Not to mention that there's a ton of women at and under 5'2.
Moreover, I mean even if you get less sxx friends of whatever, what's the big deal ? At least you'll be 100% sure that the ones who do get to know you are the real deal. I really don't see how that isn't a win win.
The following is just a quote from someone who did the surgery. You can google the quote and find the author and his posts:
"Well for once thing, I've literally been asked out by girls now. That almost never happened to me. I've literally never been in a situation where I had to politely reject someone. I get 'ghosted' a lot less. The women I meet actually make an effort to hang out/meet again. I used to think it was normal to always 'try hard' and that the onus was on the dude to make the effort. In reality, I just wasn't seen as that attractive so I was never priority number 1 these women. Now its a bit different. Its also fairly easy for me to hook up at clubs now. "
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There are men who are authentic flirting machines and they only arr170-171cm Tall. but the reality is that when you go to a disco the woman will notice the highest one before. then he can be an idiot or he can have a small penis. But what being taller allows you to meet those girls who unconsciously seek height is a reality.
Sorry . My english is bad
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There are men who are authentic flirting machines and they only arr170-171cm Tall. but the reality is that when you go to a disco the woman will notice the highest one before. then he can be an idiot or he can have a small penis. But what being taller allows you to meet those girls who unconsciously seek height is a reality.
Sorry . My english is bad
Your English might be bad. But your point is so good. Height opens doors. Height matters especially in the beginning. And you know what they say about the beginning: the beginning is the most difficult part of all things.
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This is not very wise though because plenty of data points on this forum suggest that there are small to huge improvements for men's dating life after the surgery. The following posts are just some I gathered so far. Some has quantified the improvements which are very helpful info for those who decide the to do surgery.
1. "When i first started this LL journey, my theory was that when I get taller i’ll get hotter women, have to try less etc when it comes to girls Obvs not the only reason I did it but in that regard it was a theory I can now say with certainty that yes my theory was correct Last year when i was 5’7-5’8 I would get girls but honestly the girls i were seeing were okay A couple were hot but they would test me soo much This year the girls I am seeing are all hot as fk It is a shame but the grass is indeed a lot greener"
2. "Girls as well have been taking notice too I used to know this girl who was like 5’10 and there are alot of situations where I am taller than her now she acting different too"
3. "One positive thing. I went on a number of tinder dates on the weekend and one girl said to me after I stood up "you're kinda tall, how tall are you?" I've never had that in my life so that's amazing!!!"
4. "I’m not sure my dating life for girls who were shorter than me has improved drastically. In a club, for girls who were previously shorter than me, maybe ~70% were receptive talking to me. That’s probably like 80-85% now. I think the factors here are less about height but much more focused on looks / conversation skills / confidence. For girls who were my height or taller it’s changed drastically. This part of the population was ~15% of the pool pre-surgery (maybe like 30% including heels ie going clubbing). 0% who would have talked to me before now is about 80-85%."
Do you think this observation is correct?
If a guy's about 5'7 tall, a girl might pick up that guy, but the chance it happens might be once per six months.
If a guy is at least 5'10, girls would pick up that guy, and it could happen like once every week.
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You get more choosing signals on appearance alone, you get bumped up about a point or 1.5 out of 10 in the Sexual Market Value scale. so if you were a 6 at 5'6 you might become a 7-7.5 at 5'9
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You get more choosing signals on appearance alone, you get bumped up about a point or 1.5 out of 10 in the sxxual Market Value scale. so if you were a 6 at 5'6 you might become a 7-7.5 at 5'9
I am sorry but I am kind of confused. You mean if a man is 6 ft tall, he easily attracts a woman with 5'6 tall?
A man taller than 7 ft attracts 5'9 woman?
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I am sorry but I am kind of confused. You mean if a man is 6 ft tall, he easily attracts a woman with 5'6 tall?
A man taller than 7 ft attracts 5'9 woman?
No, he meant if you’re 6 on a 10 attraction scores, then you’d improve your attractiveness scores by 1 or 1.5 points if you’re taller.
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You get more choosing signals on appearance alone, you get bumped up about a point or 1.5 out of 10 in the sxxual Market Value scale. so if you were a 6 at 5'6 you might become a 7-7.5 at 5'9
Hi Movie, thank you so much for commenting on my topic. I’m also below 170cm aiming for 175cm. I’m curious is there any quantitative improvements you saw for your dating experiences after surgery? Do you feel like you get 5% more or 50% more second dates or kisses than before the surgery? Also, does the numbness or any surgery negative consequence lower your cognitive function or performance on getting a second date or dating in general?
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Thank you for your explanation, sorry my English isn't fluent. I think when limb lenghening gets to the point where it finally becomes mainstream, shorter people no longer need to go through all the pain and pressure that some people put on the short people, because everyone has a second chance to become few inches taller. Limb lenghening might be the factor that change how some people view on height.
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How tall are you now?
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This is not very wise though because plenty of data points on this forum suggest that there are small to huge improvements for men's dating life after the surgery. The following posts are just some I gathered so far. Some has quantified the improvements which are very helpful info for those who decide the to do surgery.
1. "When i first started this LL journey, my theory was that when I get taller i’ll get hotter women, have to try less etc when it comes to girls Obvs not the only reason I did it but in that regard it was a theory I can now say with certainty that yes my theory was correct Last year when i was 5’7-5’8 I would get girls but honestly the girls i were seeing were okay A couple were hot but they would test me soo much This year the girls I am seeing are all hot as fk It is a shame but the grass is indeed a lot greener"
2. "Girls as well have been taking notice too I used to know this girl who was like 5’10 and there are alot of situations where I am taller than her now she acting different too"
3. "One positive thing. I went on a number of tinder dates on the weekend and one girl said to me after I stood up "you're kinda tall, how tall are you?" I've never had that in my life so that's amazing!!!"
4. "I’m not sure my dating life for girls who were shorter than me has improved drastically. In a club, for girls who were previously shorter than me, maybe ~70% were receptive talking to me. That’s probably like 80-85% now. I think the factors here are less about height but much more focused on looks / conversation skills / confidence. For girls who were my height or taller it’s changed drastically. This part of the population was ~15% of the pool pre-surgery (maybe like 30% including heels ie going clubbing). 0% who would have talked to me before now is about 80-85%."
You're asking guys who spent thousands of dollars and months recovering from a surgery that they thought would help with dating, don't you Think they're gonna have a little bit of bias to make themselves think it was worth it ?
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There are men who are authentic flirting machines and they only arr170-171cm Tall. but the reality is that when you go to a disco the woman will notice the highest one before. then he can be an idiot or he can have a small penis. But what being taller allows you to meet those girls who unconsciously seek height is a reality.
Sorry . My english is bad
We're not short of studies that show that people notice thé face first. A handsome muscular 5'5 guy will Always be more attractive than an ugly slender 5'11
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We're not short of studies that show that people notice thé face first. A handsome muscular 5'5 guy will Always be more attractive than an ugly slender 5'11
stop projecting ;)
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ok but i'm ugly
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I think I'm a good candidate to answer this question since I went from a non-normal height(around 160cm) to a normal height(around 170cm) for men.
My new height has NOT produced more attention from girls. What I mean by this is that I have not noticed that girls shows interest more than before. This is obviously due to my looks, I'm simply a ugly guy. What has changed though is that I don't think as much about my height anymore. Before LL I used to think a lot about my height and I think girls could sense this insecurity. Obviously in my case a few more doors have been opened since I now have a normal height, so that girl who thought my height was a deal breaker will maybe not see it as a deal breaker anymore. But if you already are of natural height, you will most likely not be affected by this.
My sincere suggestion to all men out there who have a height that could be considered normal is that you will gain MUCH more by improving yourself in other ways. Start going to the gym, dress nice, drive a nice car and simply take care of yourself. If you don't get attention from girls with your current height, you will for sure not gain more attention from girls after LL. You also probably have thousands of dollars laying around to make this change possible, just make sure to invest it wisely.
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I think I'm a good candidate to answer this question since I went from a non-normal height(around 160cm) to a normal height(around 170cm) for men.
My new height has NOT produced more attention from girls. What I mean by this is that I have not noticed that girls shows interest more than before. This is obviously due to my looks, I'm simply a ugly guy. What has changed though is that I don't think as much about my height anymore. Before LL I used to think a lot about my height and I think girls could sense this insecurity. Obviously in my case a few more doors have been opened since I now have a normal height, so that girl who thought my height was a deal breaker will maybe not see it as a deal breaker anymore. But if you already are of natural height, you will most likely not be affected by this.
My sincere suggestion to all men out there who have a height that could be considered normal is that you will gain MUCH more by improving yourself in other ways. Start going to the gym, dress nice, drive a nice car and simply take care of yourself. If you don't get attention from girls with your current height, you will for sure not gain more attention from girls after LL. You also probably have thousands of dollars laying around to make this change possible, just make sure to invest it wisely.
Do you think some girls might consider 170 short?
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Do you think some girls might consider 170 short?
Yes, I don't understand what you are trying to say though. If you are 170cm, have good social skills, look good and take care of yourself then your height is most likely not a problem.
I have two close friends who are both naturally 170cm and look very good. Both of them get chased by girls all the time.
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If dating is requiring me to do LL then I'll reply fk you.
Why bothers dating a girl and making it haunting in your mind for a lifetime? TBH after 1-2 or more yrs of marriages you'll find your spouse like an exhausting banshee with stretchmarks and proud fleshes and you'll very soon lose libidos onto her. Then you'll def regret doing LL just for those womens. I'd rather say only juvenile romances are worthwhile but during that time, very impossible to spare enough money for it. After juvenile, romances are just worthwhile when it comes to births, especially in my country.
I don't think it's a good move to do LL just for marriages.
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Hi,
I'm 1m62. I think size change everything. Some girls just want a taller guy but the most important point is that yourself you don't feel comfortable with your size...
I never fixed this problem.
Because there is always one event in life that remember you you are just short. And you think you fail becuase you are short. Sometimes true sometimes false. But this creates the feeling to be excluded. If you are brave and charismatic you can overcome this but if you are average that's a challenge.
As said there are tons of short girls too. Yes but they can prefer tall guys. And sometimes you want a special girl but you feel hat your chances are close to 0 just because of that.
Please note that I think that 1m70 (depending of countries) is a decent size for men. But sizes close to 1m60 or above are a pain.
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Hi,
I'm 1m62. I think size change everything. Some girls just want a taller guy but the most important point is that yourself you don't feel comfortable with your size...
I never fixed this problem.
Because there is always one event in life that remember you you are just short. And you think you fail becuase you are short. Sometimes true sometimes false. But this creates the feeling to be excluded. If you are brave and charismatic you can overcome this but if you are average that's a challenge.
As said there are tons of short girls too. Yes but they can prefer tall guys. And sometimes you want a special girl but you feel hat your chances are close to 0 just because of that.
Please note that I think that 1m70 (depending of countries) is a decent size for men. But sizes close to 1m60 or above are a pain.
I think having a healthy body is more important than being tall.
Do you agree?
If you're tall and you've to deal with back pain all the time, life is not fun.
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What I said is that for really short guys psychological pain can be terrible. Don't underestimate this.
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I think I'm a good candidate to answer this question since I went from a non-normal height(around 160cm) to a normal height(around 170cm) for men.
My new height has NOT produced more attention from girls. What I mean by this is that I have not noticed that girls shows interest more than before. This is obviously due to my looks, I'm simply a ugly guy. What has changed though is that I don't think as much about my height anymore. Before LL I used to think a lot about my height and I think girls could sense this insecurity. Obviously in my case a few more doors have been opened since I now have a normal height, so that girl who thought my height was a deal breaker will maybe not see it as a deal breaker anymore. But if you already are of natural height, you will most likely not be affected by this.
My sincere suggestion to all men out there who have a height that could be considered normal is that you will gain MUCH more by improving yourself in other ways. Start going to the gym, dress nice, drive a nice car and simply take care of yourself. If you don't get attention from girls with your current height, you will for sure not gain more attention from girls after LL. You also probably have thousands of dollars laying around to make this change possible, just make sure to invest it wisely.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I noticed that some of your posts show something negative about the surgery even after the nail removal. How’re you doing now? Do you still feel any negative impact because of the surgery?
Also, does the negative impact affect your brain performance or social life in dating? The only reason I asked this question is that I'd feel a little difficult to work on cognitive tasks if my legs are feeling bad. So does the surgery cause any negative effect on your brain functions, conversation skills, and social life a few months after you removed the nails?
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What I said is that for really short guys psychological pain can be terrible. Don't underestimate this.
Yeah although it's offensive af but true at the same time, especially when it comes to men under 160cm, I can't believe they are really not giving any fk about their heights and real-world discriminations onto them are screwing them up. I won't be astonished if some guys under 160cm are conspiring some murders or even far more horrible crimes onto this fking world.
Remember no one is natal with good-heartednesses or bad-heartednesses, Descartes's Innate idea theory is just bs and it's just environmental and objective factors are working on criminals. Like Adolf Hitler, if it weren't for his drunk dad, prone to abusing him and his mother to constantly destory Hitler's mentalities, and his classmates' jabbing at his ethnics, he would've been ignorant of anything about human violences and ethnic discriminations, although I'm not trying to whitewash him but crimes are induced from crimes, maybe the aftermaths are in different orders of magnitude, it's radical to blame criminals for his innate ideas and personalities.
I hope the world can stop mistreating on short men cuz discriminations about solid disadvantages will really screw ones up and you cannot predict what they will manage to do at last.
PS:I've ever heard that Hitler is only 165cm or so tall and he is listed into one of the most famous short men although he is the biggest war criminal hitherto. I think that was one of the reasons why he was rejoicing over violences and bloods.
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I think having a healthy body is more important than being tall.
Do you agree?
If you're tall and you've to deal with back pain all the time, life is not fun.
Depends on the severities. If I were a man under 155cm, I'd rather kill myself and stop living my life.
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Hi,
I'm 1m62. I think size change everything. Some girls just want a taller guy but the most important point is that yourself you don't feel comfortable with your size...
I never fixed this problem.
Because there is always one event in life that remember you you are just short. And you think you fail becuase you are short. Sometimes true sometimes false. But this creates the feeling to be excluded. If you are brave and charismatic you can overcome this but if you are average that's a challenge.
As said there are tons of short girls too. Yes but they can prefer tall guys. And sometimes you want a special girl but you feel hat your chances are close to 0 just because of that.
Please note that I think that 1m70 (depending of countries) is a decent size for men. But sizes close to 1m60 or above are a pain.
Although I'd agree on every word you said, girls won't necessarily accept your sperms just bc you have got taller.
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Yeah although it's offensive af but true at the same time, especially when it comes to men under 160cm, I can't believe they are really not giving any fk about their heights and real-world discriminations onto them are screwing them up. I won't be astonished if some guys under 160cm are conspiring some murders or even far more horrible crimes onto this fking world.
Remember no one is natal with good-heartednesses or bad-heartednesses, Descartes's Innate idea theory is just bs and it's just environmental and objective factors are working on criminals. Like Adolf Hitler, if it weren't for his drunk dad, prone to abusing him and his mother to constantly destory Hitler's mentalities, and his classmates' jabbing at his ethnics, he would've been ignorant of anything about human violences and ethnic discriminations, although I'm not trying to whitewash him but crimes are induced from crimes, maybe the aftermaths are in different orders of magnitude, it's radical to blame criminals for his innate ideas and personalities.
I hope the world can stop mistreating on short men cuz discriminations about solid disadvantages will really screw ones up and you cannot predict what they will manage to do at last.
PS:I've ever heard that Hitler is only 165cm or so tall and he is listed into one of the most famous short men although he is the biggest war criminal hitherto. I think that was one of the reasons why he was rejoicing over violences and bloods.
Hitler was average height not a short man, check the photos when he is standing around with others. But yes I agree with the rest of the things you said.
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Depends on the severities. If I were a man under 155cm, I'd rather kill myself and stop living my life.
I don't know a single man that is below 155cm, that is a rare feat so I would definitely contemplate suicide. That height is even short for a girl. Do you know an adult male that is below 155cm?
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I don't know a single man that is below 155cm, that is a rare feat so I would definitely contemplate suicide. That height is even short for a girl. Do you know an adult male that is below 155cm?
Do you mean in the US? Because 155 is also common for girls in the Asia.
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Do you mean in the US? Because 155 is also common for girls in the Asia.
I live in Australia. 155cm is common for girls but it's still "short" for a girl. For a man it's extremely uncommon and I never seen a man that is 155cm and below.
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I live in Australia. 155cm is common for girls but it's still "short" for a girl. For a man it's extremely uncommon and I never seen a man that is 155cm and below.
I really like your country, nice views everywhere I went. In Asia, you'll see some men shorter than 155. It's not uncommon to see some men around the height of 160 in Australia right?
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I really like your country, nice views everywhere I went. In Asia, you'll see some men shorter than 155. It's not uncommon to see some men around the height of 160 in Australia right?
Yes it's not uncommon to find a man of 160cm height, men that are 160-170cm are common in big cities where there is lots of immigrants from all over the world.
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Yes it's not uncommon to find a man of 160cm height, men that are 160-170cm are common in big cities where there is lots of immigrants from all over the world.
When I visited Sydney, I visited many landmarks there, like China town.
I'd say probably 1 out of every 20 pedestrian males was about 160 cm tall but n Sydney.
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When I visited Sydney, I visited many landmarks there, like China town.
I'd say probably 1 out of every 20 pedestrian males was about 160 cm tall but n Sydney.
In Sydney being 175cm can make you taller than like 12-13 out of 20 males which is good. The rural towns where people tend to be taller than city people 175cm would be taller than 8 out of 20 males.
Glad you enjoyed Sydney though
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In Sydney being 175cm can make you taller than like 12-13 out of 20 males which is good. The rural towns where people tend to be taller than city people 175cm would be taller than 8 out of 20 males.
Glad you enjoyed Sydney though
I think they already have LL in Australia now? Is it getting popular over the past few years?
Thanks, I'd visit Sydney again.
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I think they already have LL in Australia now? Is it getting popular over the past few years?
Thanks, I'd visit Sydney again.
Not sure if LL is in Australia, looking around this forum I can't find anyone that does it here. I plan to do tibias in Asia because of a cheaper price. I'm not sure if it's common amongst the citizens in Australia, I don't know anyone except myself that wants to do it so it doesn't seem to be popular. Is LL popular in Asia?
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Not sure if LL is in Australia, looking around this forum I can't find anyone that does it here. I plan to do tibias in Asia because of a cheaper price. I'm not sure if it's common amongst the citizens in Australia, I don't know anyone except myself that wants to do it so it doesn't seem to be popular. Is LL popular in Asia?
It's not that popular, but it will, I think. So far in East Asia, the only two countries that actually do LL are Korea and China. Korea is more expensive though. I was amazed that Japan doesn't do LL for cosmetic surgery. Also another Asian country that does LL is India.
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It's not that popular, but it will, I think. So far in East Asia, the only two countries that actually do LL are Korea and China. Korea is more expensive though. I was amazed that Japan doesn't do LL for cosmetic surgery. Also another Asian country that does LL is India.
That's very surprising yes, Japan is so technologically advanced so seeing them not do it is shocking.
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I see men who are shorter than me time to time. I don't say that being taller solves everything. But for sure being short makes life harder. And this makes you behave differntly because you thing other judge you as inferior, which is not always the case. I'm sure that nasty minds can come up according to the personality of the guy. I personaly prefer to hurt myself than others.
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I'm quite old now and I regret not having done the surgery when I was younger. But I would be ready to try it just to see how life is when being taller.
If you want to experience the difference just buy shoes with hidden heels. They can make you about 5-6cm taller and are hard to notice. There are not comfortable but it's a great non painful test to do. Some nike air shoes are quite high too (5-6cm) and are comfortable. I started to wear this kind of shoes for work and I was surprised to see women looking at me. Thing that almost never happened before. This makes you more confident for sure.
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I am 5'00. No suicide intentions. Psychological toughness and maturity regarding all life can brings us are essential to attempt LL. A serious surgeon won't even consider a person with suicidal thoughts even convinced that Ll alone would cure it. Because you need to be 100% optimistic, dedicated, "stubborn" resistant during the process complications also. Serious doctors even include a psychologist in the team (both for help in evaluation and support afterwards. If they don't be aware of that and consider choosing another and/or hire one yourself.
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ok but i'm ugly
No one's genuinely ugly you can always improve your appearance c:
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My height never affected my date life. If you are good looking noone cares. Most of the woman who had affair with me were close to me as height. 168 to 170cm.
Regards
I'm a teenager btw. Dunno wtf the milfs want.
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You get more choosing signals on appearance alone, you get bumped up about a point or 1.5 out of 10 in the sxxual Market Value scale. so if you were a 6 at 5'6 you might become a 7-7.5 at 5'9
Oh my god an answer that actually makes some sense. People either way overcomplicate this question or repeat platitudes about confidence. Height is one of the most attractive things in a mans appearance. Being taller makes you more attractive and widens your dating pool. It’s super common aswell for women to have height cutoffs, and no matter how hot a guy is many women will never consider dating a 5’5 guy (U.S.).
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I live in Australia. 155cm is common for girls but it's still "short" for a girl. For a man it's extremely uncommon and I never seen a man that is 155cm and below.
Oh sorry to hear that cuz I think if one Australian native men were under 155cm, I can't imagine how hard life he would be experiencing. But I wanna get away from this negative topic cuz we cannot bring psychological damages to men that are really under 155cm on this forum. BTW I'm interested in Australian English accents LOL, cuz I found them very funny but I dunno why. British English accents are very similar from Australian ones due to histories and I also found British English a little bit hilarious as well.
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That's very surprising yes, Japan is so technologically advanced so seeing them not do it is shocking.
Japaneses are not very obsessed with heights and one 154cm tall man can step into a TV entertaining programme as a host, unseen in other countries. I gotta say they are amazing cuz they were jabbed at their heights by Chineses,mostly, but in modern world, they are giving far far less cares about heights than Chineses. I dunno why.
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Japaneses are not very obsessed with heights and one 154cm tall man can step into a TV entertaining programme as a host, unseen in other countries. I gotta say they are amazing cuz they were jabbed at their heights by Chineses,mostly, but in modern world, they are giving far far less cares about heights than Chineses. I dunno why.
Interesting, what about Korea, do they care about height as much as China?
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Interesting, what about Korea, do they care about height as much as China?
Forever remember China is the most heightism country at present all over the world mate. Korea is just placing more emphasises on heights and appearnces but still less than China, at least I have never heard of Korean swear words to insult and scorn short guys(maybe just like 'short', 'skinny', 'weak' and similar stuffs, but still no 'disabilities' stuffs) while Chinese millenials are now even persuading short guys to kill themselves especially on Internet and it has become a bandwagon(The Chinese word persuading short guys to commit suicide is '重开', namely 'Chong Kai'. I swear to God I'm not joking or deliberately tarnishing my compatriots cuz that's really a matter of fact). It's not a good move to think Korea is the most heightism country just bc their cosmetic surgeries are second advanced in the world.
PS:It's interesting when it comes to the etymology of 'Chong Kai'. This word derived from LOL and it was used to tell the players to exit the game and restart another new game. And as Internet extends the meanings of this word, it happens to be used to persuade innocent web users to commit suicide cuz they've got some disadvantages over normal ppl, like being short, being ugly, being poor, being not smart and etc. But I can conclude being short is most likely to be persuaded to Chong kai cuz it's the most solid disadvantage lasting for a lifetime unless you can make up you mind to do LL.
Eitherway, this word is very very psychologically harmful and it's also kinda relevant to Buddism's reincarnations but no matter the reincarnations are fabricated or not, asking someone inferior to 'restart' his 'life game' is really screwing up and I think that's why Chineses are always considered as the most rude and impolite people by the whole world.
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Forever remember China is the most heightism country at present all over the world mate. Korea is just placing more emphasises on heights and appearnces but still less than China, at least I have never heard of Korean swear words to insult and scorn short guys(maybe just like 'short', 'skinny', 'weak' and similar stuffs, but still no 'disabilities' stuffs) while Chinese millenials are now even persuading short guys to kill themselves especially on Internet and it has become a bandwagon(The Chinese word persuading short guys to commit suicide is '重开', namely 'Chong Kai'. I swear to God I'm not joking or deliberately tarnishing my compatriots cuz that's really a matter of fact). It's not a good move to think Korea is the most heightism country just bc their cosmetic surgeries are second advanced in the world.
PS:It's interesting when it comes to the etymology of 'Chong Kai'. This word derived from LOL and it was used to tell the players to exit the game and restart another new game. And as Internet extends the meanings of this word, it happens to be used to persuade innocent web users to commit suicide cuz they've got some disadvantages over normal ppl, like being short, being ugly, being poor, being not smart and etc. But I can conclude being short is most likely to be persuaded to Chong kai cuz it's the most solid disadvantage lasting for a lifetime unless you can make up you mind to do LL.
Eitherway, this word is very very psychologically harmful and it's also kinda relevant to Buddism's reincarnations but no matter the reincarnations are fabricated or not, asking someone inferior to 'restart' his 'life game' is really screwing up and I think that's why Chineses are always considered as the most rude and impolite people by the whole world.
What height would I need to be in Chinese millennial generation for people to say "重开" to me? Below 175cm and people will make fun? What height will make people say bad stuff to you?
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Forever remember China is the most heightism country at present all over the world mate. Korea is just placing more emphasises on heights and appearnces but still less than China, at least I have never heard of Korean swear words to insult and scorn short guys(maybe just like 'short', 'skinny', 'weak' and similar stuffs, but still no 'disabilities' stuffs) while Chinese millenials are now even persuading short guys to kill themselves especially on Internet and it has become a bandwagon(The Chinese word persuading short guys to commit suicide is '重开', namely 'Chong Kai'. I swear to God I'm not joking or deliberately tarnishing my compatriots cuz that's really a matter of fact). It's not a good move to think Korea is the most heightism country just bc their cosmetic surgeries are second advanced in the world.
PS:It's interesting when it comes to the etymology of 'Chong Kai'. This word derived from LOL and it was used to tell the players to exit the game and restart another new game. And as Internet extends the meanings of this word, it happens to be used to persuade innocent web users to commit suicide cuz they've got some disadvantages over normal ppl, like being short, being ugly, being poor, being not smart and etc. But I can conclude being short is most likely to be persuaded to Chong kai cuz it's the most solid disadvantage lasting for a lifetime unless you can make up you mind to do LL.
Eitherway, this word is very very psychologically harmful and it's also kinda relevant to Buddism's reincarnations but no matter the reincarnations are fabricated or not, asking someone inferior to 'restart' his 'life game' is really screwing up and I think that's why Chineses are always considered as the most rude and impolite people by the whole world.
Also go girl's height matter in China or is it only male heights like in the west?
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Also go girl's height matter in China or is it only male heights like in the west?
Girls' heights matter in some ways but yeah, far less than boys.
If you are under 170cm, then you'll be persuaded to Chong Kai although some of them are just making jokes(I can't get the funny side of them, srsly).
But don't either believe in bs like Chinese millenials are nowadays 180-185cm tall on average and if you are solid 175cm tall, you won't feel short and even taller than average. Chinese millenials are somehow prone to bluffing about average heights and they are always thinking everything under 180cm is rare and bad.
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Girls' heights matter in some ways but yeah, far less than boys.
If you are under 170cm, then you'll be persuaded to Chong Kai although some of them are just making jokes(I can't get the funny side of them, srsly).
But don't either believe in bs like Chinese millenials are nowadays 180-185cm tall on average and if you are solid 175cm tall, you won't feel short and even taller than average. Chinese millenials are somehow prone to bluffing about average heights and they are always thinking everything under 180cm is rare and bad.
That is true, when I was in my all boys high school not too long ago a lot of people were Chinese (close to 50% of school). Average was 173cm that means 175cm would be good height in the school. That's why I want to lengthen 6cm to be 176cm so then I can be a good height. I can do lengthen up to 181cm to preserve tibia:femur ratio but maybe that seems like too much height, being too tall makes you stand out in the crowd and I don't like too much attention and sticking out like that.
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That is true, when I was in my all boys high school not too long ago a lot of people were Chinese (close to 50% of school). Average was 173cm that means 175cm would be good height in the school. That's why I want to lengthen 6cm to be 176cm so then I can be a good height. I can do lengthen up to 181cm to preserve tibia:femur ratio but maybe that seems like too much height, being too tall makes you stand out in the crowd and I don't like too much attention and sticking out like that.
181cm is really not that tall enough to tract anyone's eyes, trust me, unless you are in Philipine and Vietnam.
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Saw some YouTube videos sharing how they succeeded in dating after their surgeries. It does improve your dating when you get taller.
I think the true love should not based on heights, but some girls do care about height more than looks and personality.
Care to share those videos? Sounds interesting!
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That is true, when I was in my all boys high school not too long ago a lot of people were Chinese (close to 50% of school). Average was 173cm that means 175cm would be good height in the school. That's why I want to lengthen 6cm to be 176cm so then I can be a good height. I can do lengthen up to 181cm to preserve tibia:femur ratio but maybe that seems like too much height, being too tall makes you stand out in the crowd and I don't like too much attention and sticking out like that.
You're gonna destroy your fckn legs. It's not worth it.
I'm 5'8 and honestly you Can barely tell the différent when I stand next to my 5'11 friend, he's got like barely a forehead on me.
Like for real 176 is already enough don't ruin your body and your proportions.
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You're gonna destroy your fkn legs. It's not worth it.
I'm 5'8 and honestly you Can barely tell the différent when I stand next to my 5'11 friend, he's got like barely a forehead on me.
Like for real 176 is already enough don't ruin your body and your proportions.
next time take off your heels
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next time take off your heels
The person ain't wrong, unless you're a hyper analyzer, regular people won't notice emphasize the difference when 5'8 is standing next to 5'11 person. 80% of men are between 5'7-6'0 in the US.
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You're gonna destroy your fkn legs. It's not worth it.
I'm 5'8 and honestly you Can barely tell the différent when I stand next to my 5'11 friend, he's got like barely a forehead on me.
Like for real 176 is already enough don't ruin your body and your proportions.
That's impossible cuz 3 inches are nearly 8cm. Do you know how much differences 8cm will gain you? You can use full powers to tiptoe and you'll find you can only get 6.5-7cm taller. I'm 162cm or so and after I tiptoe, my height is taller by only 6.8cm. So 8cm is more than your tiptoed growth. I guess you can fully understand the differences.
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The person ain't wrong, unless you're a hyper analyzer, regular people won't notice emphasize the difference when 5'8 is standing next to 5'11 person. 80% of men are between 5'7-6'0 in the US.
Try to tiptoe and measure your tiptoed height mate. Tiptoe can only at most gain you 6.8cm or so growth even you are using full powers.
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Care to share those videos? Sounds interesting!
Keep vigilant about this vids. Maybe they are just propagandas of some medical LL companies and the effects will be not that good.
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whats the point of this discussion anyways? this is a limb lenghtening forum. people come here to get it done.
this not a psychology forum. :o
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whats the point of this discussion anyways? this is a limb lenghtening forum. people come here to get it done.
this not a psychology forum. :o
Many men, who decided to do the surgery, are looking for an improvement of their dating life. Thus, please talk about the data or stories you know that show the QUANTITATIVE improvements of dating life.
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Hi y'all, I'd like to know how much the dating life for men can be improved after the surgery? For anyone who has improved their dating life, please share your stories by trying to quantify your improvements on numbers of the second date/kisses as well as your height increase. Thanks!
6'1 after surgery. Life changing decision as I can attest, even I haven't removed the frames yet I can sense I've been transformed to different human being. Being to taller is great, it feels good first off to your mental health, there's no more height neurosis. 2nd, people treat you with higher respect as I assume. Also, there would be more job opportunities. You learn to treat yourself better, stay in shape, stop doing unnecessary things. Woman is a plus, they will come inevitably, don't do the surgery because of them, the pain, the suffer have to be served for greater values
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That's impossible cuz 3 inches are nearly 8cm. Do you know how much differences 8cm will gain you? You can use full powers to tiptoe and you'll find you can only get 6.5-7cm taller. I'm 162cm or so and after I tiptoe, my height is taller by only 6.8cm. So 8cm is more than your tiptoed growth. I guess you can fully understand the differences.
Yeah well that's the thing. 8 cm sounds like a lot but to anyone that's not obsessed about height it's really hardly relevant. I mean of course one person will look taller, but it's not like they tower over the smaller person.
I'm 173 and ofc I'm taller than 163 women but it's not like I dwarf them or anything.
I'm just saying, to most people the difference isn't really that easy to see.
Your comment about being on your tiptoes' actually a great example. You're not all that significantly taller when you're on your tiptoes, it's barely noticeable.
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next time take off your heels
Actually with heels I'm either the same height as him or taller depending on the shoe.
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You're gonna destroy your fkn legs. It's not worth it.
I'm 5'8 and honestly you Can barely tell the différent when I stand next to my 5'11 friend, he's got like barely a forehead on me.
Like for real 176 is already enough don't ruin your body and your proportions.
I must ask though, what is your excuse for wanting to do the surgery? You are a female now and 5'8 is an ideal height for woman.
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I must ask though, what is your excuse for wanting to do the surgery? You are a female now and 5'8 is an ideal height for woman.
For aesthetic reasons mostly. I like the looks of tall women, long legs and stuff, it's pretty majestic. And also cause I kinda dislike being smaller than all the men it makes me feel a bit vulnerable.
But honestly like those are pretty weak motives so unless I have that much money to spare or a revolutionary method gets created I'm really unlikely to actually go through with it just cause it's not worth it.
I mean I already feel like a giant when I put on high heels already.
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For aesthetic reasons mostly. I like the looks of tall women, long legs and stuff, it's pretty majestic. And also cause I kinda dislike being smaller than all the men it makes me feel a bit vulnerable.
But honestly like those are pretty weak motives so unless I have that much money to spare or a revolutionary method gets created I'm really unlikely to actually go through with it just cause it's not worth it.
I mean I already feel like a giant when I put on high heels already.
Isnt the point of being a woman to feel just like that, ie vulnerable in relation to men?
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Isnt the point of being a woman to feel just like that, ie vulnerable in relation to men?
Oh you did NOT just say that
Like I don't even have words lmfao
Just... Don't say this irl you're gonna get yourself beaten up
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Oh you did NOT just say that
Like I don't even have words lmfao
Just... Don't say this irl you're gonna get yourself beaten up
You said you dont want to feel smaller than men. Well most women do want to feel smaller than men, thats why the majority on this forum are willing to break both their legs.
But maybe its different as a transgender, i dont know.
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Hi y'all, I'd like to know how much the dating life for men can be improved after the surgery? For anyone who has improved their dating life, please share your stories by trying to quantify your improvements on numbers of the second date/kisses as well as your height increase. Thanks!
My dating life was definitely improved after my LL back in 2012 (10cm on the right femur, 9cm on the left)
I did some calculations back in 2016. I counted the number of hookups I had in the 4 years after finishing my consolidation phase (meaning, walking without crutches) and in the 4 years prior to my surgery (in January 2012).The improvement was outstanding: 700%. I'm not exaggerating.
But some context:
1 - I was in the extreme left of the normal distribution for male height (165cm) and went to average in my country, almost average in the US (174,5cm, although I'm usually 176 when I wake up). Thus, I probably was in the sweet spot to get the most amount of improvement.
2 - I grew up in a country where males tend to have natural "game". So I was pulling way above my league at 165cm already. I never had this problem of some people here of being afraid to approach girls, etc... It also helps that the average girl in my country (a 5, let's say) would be a 7,5 in the US.
3 - The extra height didn't improve the number of serious relationships - height is more of a pre-requisite for this, not the main thing. But the extra height improved the range of possible partners, as most women simply won't be in a relationship with a shorter guy. And the longest relationship I had post LL was with a 174cm girl - I doubt that would have ever happened if I was still 165cm tall.
4 - The BRUTAL rejections I'd get as as short guy (like a girl in a club saying I was half-human because of my height) simply stopped. Of course, I still get rejected but it's nothing like it was before, the rejections are always civil and polite now.
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My dating life was definitely improved after my LL back in 2012 (10cm on the right femur, 9cm on the left)
I did some calculation back in 2016. I counted the number of hookups I had in the 4 years after finishing my consolidation phase (meaning, walking without crutches) and in the 4 years prior to my surgery (in January 2012).The improvement was outstanding: 700%. I'm not exaggerating.
But some context:
1 - I was in the extreme left of the normal distribution for male height (165cm) and went to average in my country, almost average in the US (174,5cm, although I'm usually 176 when I wake up). Thus, I probably was in the sweet spot to get the most amount of improvement.
2 - I grew up in a country where males tend to have natural "game". So I was pulling way above my league at 165cm already. I never had this problem of some people here of being afraid to approach girls, etc... It also helps that the average girl in my country (a 5, let's say) would be a 7,5 in the US.
3 - The extra height didn't improve the number of serious relationships - height is more of a pre-requisite for this, not the main thing. But the extra height improved the range of possible partners, as most women simply won't be in a relationship with a shorter guy. And the longest relationship I had post LL was with a 174cm girl - I doubted that would ever happened when I was 165cm.
4 - The BRUTAL rejections I'd get as as short guy (like a girl in a club saying I was half-human because of my height) simply stopped. Of course, I still get rejected but it's nothing like it was before, the rejections are always civil and polite now.
Why 10 on one leg and 9 on another?
Won't it be better to get both legs 10 extra?
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Why 10 on one leg and 9 on another?
Won't it be better to get both legs 10 extra?
I had a leg discrepancy of 2cm (around 1cm in the femur and 1cm in the tibias) so I decided to fix it while lengthening as Dr. Betz suggested.
It was a very good decision. I still have a 1cm discrepancy on the tibias, but my back pain is gone now.
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My dating life was definitely improved after my LL back in 2012 (10cm on the right femur, 9cm on the left)
I did some calculations back in 2016. I counted the number of hookups I had in the 4 years after finishing my consolidation phase (meaning, walking without crutches) and in the 4 years prior to my surgery (in January 2012).The improvement was outstanding: 700%. I'm not exaggerating.
But some context:
1 - I was in the extreme left of the normal distribution for male height (165cm) and went to average in my country, almost average in the US (174,5cm, although I'm usually 176 when I wake up). Thus, I probably was in the sweet spot to get the most amount of improvement.
2 - I grew up in a country where males tend to have natural "game". So I was pulling way above my league at 165cm already. I never had this problem of some people here of being afraid to approach girls, etc... It also helps that the average girl in my country (a 5, let's say) would be a 7,5 in the US.
3 - The extra height didn't improve the number of serious relationships - height is more of a pre-requisite for this, not the main thing. But the extra height improved the range of possible partners, as most women simply won't be in a relationship with a shorter guy. And the longest relationship I had post LL was with a 174cm girl - I doubt that would have ever happened if I was still 165cm tall.
4 - The BRUTAL rejections I'd get as as short guy (like a girl in a club saying I was half-human because of my height) simply stopped. Of course, I still get rejected but it's nothing like it was before, the rejections are always civil and polite now.
"700%" improvement from 165cm to 174cm is amazing! Is there anything else you did besides the 9cm height increase? I'd like to know some other actions you did that help your dating life improvements, and I can share my "secrets"/stories below:
The only dating life improvement I could compare to the "700%" improvement you talked about is moving to Ukraine from the U.S. for 3 months because the ladies in Ukraine are much more open for getting together than the western ladies are. Another big dating improvement of mine is caused by reading Corey Wayne's book, but it's more like 300% instead of 700%. I even bought a used Lamborghini, which I thought that it'd increase my dating life by 10 times but only more like 2 times at most....certainly not as effective as going to Ukraine.
How old were you in 2016?
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"700%" improvement from 165cm to 174cm is amazing! Is there anything else you did besides the 9cm height increase?
How old were you in 2016?
Nothing else really.
I did went back to my home country, so my 700% improvement is comparing the US (where I was living prior to LL) to my home country.
I was in my early 30s back in 2016.
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Nothing else really.
I did went back to my home country, so my 700% improvement is comparing the US (where I was living prior to LL) to my home country.
I was in my early 30s back in 2016.
The fact that you moved to your home country is a significant action that can affect the dating life improvement. If your home country is in western Europe, then data shows that men have 5 times easier dating life than those in the U.S. because American ladies are more proud/arrogant than European ladies. If your home country is in Eastern Europe, then that move alone can contribute 6-7 times improvement, based on my personal experiences in Ukraine.
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at 6ft you can bang al women 8)
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Nothing else really.
I did went back to my home country, so my 700% improvement is comparing the US (where I was living prior to LL) to my home country.
I was in my early 30s back in 2016.
Can you still run like you used to, prior to LL?
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at 6ft you can bang al women 8)
Sorry, bang in here means???
You mean at 6ft, you can easily date many girls?
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"700%" improvement from 165cm to 174cm is amazing! Is there anything else you did besides the 9cm height increase? I'd like to know some other actions you did that help your dating life improvements, and I can share my "secrets"/stories below:
The only dating life improvement I could compare to the "700%" improvement you talked about is moving to Ukraine from the U.S. for 3 months because the ladies in Ukraine are much more open for getting together than the western ladies are. Another big dating improvement of mine is caused by reading Corey Wayne's book, but it's more like 300% instead of 700%. I even bought a used Lamborghini, which I thought that it'd increase my dating life by 10 times but only more like 2 times at most....certainly not as effective as going to Ukraine.
How old were you in 2016?
Have you been to Ukraine? I've been more than once and things are not that easy as you say.
Women in big towns are really pretty but they look a lot about money and most men with good looking women there have a lot of money.
Also, many men there are really tall (1.85+).
I don't think that it is that easy as you said to find a good looking woman there unless you have a lot of money-status. And 1.75-6 (like my current height too) is not a benefit there as men are surely taller than that as an average. And for sure taller than the average american.
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Sorry, bang in here means???
You mean at 6ft, you can easily date many girls?
That was just another incel theory. If so, there are none incels around 6ft tall and height is not sole factor of hooking up with girls, but yeah that's an important factor.
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Have you been to Ukraine? I've been more than once and things are not that easy as you say.
Women in big towns are really pretty but they look a lot about money and most men with good looking women there have a lot of money.
Also, many men there are really tall (1.85+).
I don't think that it is that easy as you said to find a good looking woman there unless you have a lot of money-status. And 1.75-6 (like my current height too) is not a benefit there as men are surely taller than that as an average. And for sure taller than the average american.
Ukarine women are just open, not fools. If men are short and ugly, they won't still take them into their considerations. 174-175cm is not tall and beneficial at all in Ukarine, but better than 165cm and that's true. But I gotta wonder why you said 175cm is taller than the American average height cuz their governmental medical departments dubbed 'CDC' has published in 2019 the American white men and black men are 178cm tall on average and 174-175cm is instead lower than the average.
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It likely won't. Like for real. Short guys really need to stop thinking that their height is responsible for their struggles in life because 9 times out of 10 it really isn't.
Back when I lived as a guy, as a gay 5'8 man I had plenty of girls wanting to date me and hitting up on me.
And don't try to say that it's because 5'8 isn't that short, I literally have a guy friend that's like 5'4 and he doesn't have any problem with dating.
Stop blaming your dating difficulties on height and start looking on what makes you a bad person to date because that's probably the actual cause. Maybe you don't take care of yourself. Maybe you have a bad personnality. But height is very unlikely to be the culprit.
DO NOT get limb lengthening because of dating. Getting 10 more matches is absolutely not worth cutting of a fking limb only for it to grow back to incomplete functionality.
Yes you might get 10 more matches on tinder, but that doesn't really equals to more actually meaningful connections. Do you really want to end up with a girl shallow enough to decide whether to date you or not based on a 5 inch in difference ? Probably not. And the good news are these girls are a tiny majority.
I agree allmost 100%with wht you say....nice and intelligent girls look for more than heigh and also money. We men all should invest more in personal development (personal comunication, social inteligence, general education etc. Don'tgo to Ukraine of what you want is true care, love and companionshop. Its a kind of certificate of incompetece we are passing to ourselves....Bu but..... having said that, there's a fu****g kind of threshold. I am only 5'00. I get immediate lots of female friends just after one hour meet (link in the university) but out of the competition for boyfriend right there. I have the strong impression that inconsciently they not even think of that. It's really depressing. I have tried for years to stay out of inferiority complex to display in these communicatiosn, of course one get's more atractive and self confident. Not enough. I had a great love in my life (same height) but when it finihsed (also because my insecurities) never had any chance again.
And with this height and medical safety limitations, if I do LL, what height should I attempt? 10 cm is much more dangerous starting with 5'00 than for example with 5'7 (with all respect for everybody specially those with neurosis that can't find cure with a good psychology and less maturity/experience in life, I even have some difficulty in understanding why a guy with 5'7 would risk the the surgery and loose the money. (Don't get me wrong, these are not individual critiques, just my sensitivity about the issue in general).
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at 6ft you can bang al women 8)
How old are you, may I ask???!!!!!!
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That was just another incel theory. If so, there are none incels around 6ft tall and height is not sole factor of hooking up with girls, but yeah that's an important factor.
if you are below 6ft its over in dating :-X
women only go for 6fters now because its good genetics. they only want the top 10% of men.
10% of men get 90% of women
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if you are below 6ft its over in dating :-X
women only go for 6fters now because its good genetics. they only want the top 10% of men.
10% of men get 90% of women
But there aren't many men taller than 6 ft. Even in Europe it's not common. Average height for Europe and America falls within 5'8 to 5'10.
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Have you been to Ukraine? I've been more than once and things are not that easy as you say.
Women in big towns are really pretty but they look a lot about money and most men with good looking women there have a lot of money.
Also, many men there are really tall (1.85+).
I don't think that it is that easy as you said to find a good looking woman there unless you have a lot of money-status. And 1.75-6 (like my current height too) is not a benefit there as men are surely taller than that as an average. And for sure taller than the average american.
I didn’t just visit Ukraine. I live there for “3 months” as I wrote in the post as past stories, not my opinions. Just visiting Ukraine a few times probably won’t get you the results. It took me 2 months to get a girlfriend in Ukraine, and it took me 10 years to get a girlfriend in the United States. So it’s more than 700% if you use 10 years(120 months) divided by 2 months.
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I didn’t just visit Ukraine. I live there for “3 months” as I wrote in the post as past stories, not my opinions. Just visiting Ukraine a few times probably won’t get you the results. It took me 2 months to get a girlfriend in Ukraine, and it took me 10 years to get a girlfriend in the United States. So it’s more than 700% if you use 10 years(120 months) divided by 2 months.
If i were you i would have saving enough money to have my surgery than searching for a girl for 10 years :D
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the truth is men dont pick women. women pick men. if a woman is attracted to you she will let you know and will try to lock you down. if you think men chase women you are wrong. men only offer themselves to women, women then decide whether you are a good catch. with feminism women feel empowered they only deserve the best men to recreate. this is why this world is so fuked now. many men stay alone and dont have any ambition to do something with their lives. so they either suicide because of depression or only work little because they have no family and dont have to.
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If i were you i would have saving enough money to have my surgery than searching for a girl for 10 years :D
I didn’t have that much money when I was in my 20s. As a 30 year old, I finally have the money to do the surgery, and I plan to do it soon with Dr. Paley.
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Ukarine women are just open, not fools. If men are short and ugly, they won't still take them into their considerations. 174-175cm is not tall and beneficial at all in Ukarine, but better than 165cm and that's true. But I gotta wonder why you said 175cm is taller than the American average height cuz their governmental medical departments dubbed 'CDC' has published in 2019 the American white men and black men are 178cm tall on average and 174-175cm is instead lower than the average.
I said that the average height in Ukraine is taller that in usa.
If 1.75 is not ok in usa where the average is about that (1.77 is very close) then for ukraine it will be much worse.
Ukrainian women and Rusian too are way better that the average american ones but they are not so easy to get them as many people think.
They care a lot about income and also they prefer rich men from their country rather than tourists. In Kiev there are many rich people, maybe mafia mobsters or oligarchs but still there are plenty with so much money that the average american or european guy can't even imagine.
And most of their women look for guys like these.
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I didn’t just visit Ukraine. I live there for “3 months” as I wrote in the post as past stories, not my opinions. Just visiting Ukraine a few times probably won’t get you the results. It took me 2 months to get a girlfriend in Ukraine, and it took me 10 years to get a girlfriend in the United States. So it’s more than 700% if you use 10 years(120 months) divided by 2 months.
10 years to get a gf are way too much for any country in the world.
So even you were very bad looking and now you look better or simply you were just lucky now. But all these percentages about 700% are plain bs.
In my country in the south europe where the average height is about 1.78 for men I had more than 5 gfs even before LL when I was 1.68 and 23 yo.
Now at 1.76 I look much better but of course I don't have that much difference compared to before LL because my dating life was not bad even then. 10 years without a gf is tragic and for sure height wasn't your only problem.
And also, going to ukraine, even with 7-8cm added, won't give to any normal person a 700% increase in dating life.
In reality, good looking ukrainian women are harder to get than the average european-american unless you are rich or famous there.
And I've been to Ukraine more than 1 month in the last year and not only in Kiev so I really know what I am talking about for that country. Only the cars you see in Kiev (like on Khreshatyk street especially at night) are so luxury that only in Monaco or Dubai you would see them.
So it is not a country to find easily a good looking girl as many people believe, if someone wants something like that (although I don't think it exists now) he should go in Asia (Thailand etc) or poor countries like Moldavia etc.
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10 years to get a gf are way too much for any country in the world.
So even you were very bad looking and now you look better or simply you were just lucky now. But all these percentages about 700% are plain bs.
In my country in the south europe where the average height is about 1.78 for men I had more than 5 gfs even before LL when I was 1.68 and 23 yo.
Now at 1.76 I look much better but of course I don't have that much difference compared to before LL because my dating life was not bad even then. 10 years without a gf is tragic and for sure height wasn't your only problem.
And also, going to ukraine, even with 7-8cm added, won't give to any normal person a 700% increase in dating life.
In reality, good looking ukrainian women are harder to get than the average european-american unless you are rich or famous there.
And I've been to Ukraine more than 1 month in the last year and not only in Kiev so I really know what I am talking about for that country. Only the cars you see in Kiev (like on Khreshatyk street especially at night) are so luxury that only in Monaco or Dubai you would see them.
So it is not a country to find easily a good looking girl as many people believe, if someone wants something like that (although I don't think it exists now) he should go in Asia (Thailand etc) or poor countries like Moldavia etc.
It sounds like that the ladies in South Europe like you much more than ladies in Ukraine. That's interesting...maybe I should spend 3 months in South Europe then....which country in South Europe? Spain? The 700% is certainly not bs but an underestimate because of 10 years * 12 months /2 months =60 times! so that's actually 6,000% improvement instead of just 700%.....By the way, I usually only get about 1 or 2 matches every week on dating apps in the USA, but 4-5 matches every week on the same dating apps in Ukraine. So if you look at that method, it's a 400%-500% increase too.
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if you go to a poor country to find a woman, you accept to live with a gold digger.
its the only reason why women should choose you over their own men in their home country.
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Some of you guys really gotta stop caring about women rejecting you cause you're short. Whats the difference in a woman rejecting a short guy versus a guy rejecting a woman cause she got small breast. We all got our preferences accept it. I know tall guys who can get girls attentions but cant keep them cause they got no game. I know short guys who can get girls but gotta work twice as hard as a taller guy. Thats just life. It's really just immaturity to reject someone cause of size. Anyone with life experience know you choose a partner based on support, positivity not based off physical features. What good are those features if the person isn't a good person. Just appreciate the fact that this surgery is around to help us with our own body image problems. Don't make changes to yourself for someone else opinion of you. Thats never ends well and rarely fixes the problem.
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why are you here then? to preach to us to not do LL? lol dude get out now
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It sounds like that the ladies in South Europe like you much more than ladies in Ukraine. That's interesting...maybe I should spend 3 months in South Europe then....which country in South Europe? Spain? The 700% is certainly not bs but an underestimate because of 10 years * 12 months /2 months =60 times! so that's actually 6,000% improvement instead of just 700%.....By the way, I usually only get about 1 or 2 matches every week on dating apps in the USA, but 4-5 matches every week on the same dating apps in Ukraine. So if you look at that method, it's a 400%-500% increase too.
I was in Ukraine with my gf for business and vacation so I wasn't hit on anybody.
But trust me, after having 10 years without a relationship in usa as you said then for sure you won't do any better in my country.
Having 1 girl after a decade means nothing about ukraine and all these percentages are plain stupid.
The majority of men would have had at least 5 different girls all these years. So no, Ukraine didn't gave you 700% success nor your height but after so many years it was time for you to find someone.
@tripleogkush, I agree. And thats all these claims about "easy ukrainian women" are plain bs.
Ukrainian and Rusian women are for sure much prettier on average than the american ones. But of course they prefer a guy from there and not a tourist from the other side of the world who had 10 years without a relationship and thinks that there all women will die for him.
In reality if someone can't get women on his country then he will have a much bigger trouble geting women on an other country, unless we are talking about golddiggers.
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Looks like this dating subject is getting even more replies than 2 of the 5 pinned subjects under Limb Lengthening Discussions. Thanks for all of your inputs on this subject!
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I did a measly 5cm because I was uncertain about recovery and uncomfortable with the process. Standing at 176 now I have a much easier time than 171. Online dating is sh*t and will always be sh*t, but I don't have any issues with the pulls I get now; women are much more receptive and interested. I've also become a lot more relaxed and less eager to impress; I don't feel like I need to try anymore. Some combination of these two things have really helped with dating.
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if you are below 6ft its over in dating :-X
women only go for 6fters now because its good genetics. they only want the top 10% of men.
10% of men get 90% of women
Are you a Chinese? I don't think anyone except being raised up in China will attempt to spew this incel theory.
Girls are not just for men around 6ft.
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@tripleogkush, I agree. And thats all these claims about "easy ukrainian women" are plain bs.
Ukrainian and Rusian women are for sure much prettier on average than the american ones. But of course they prefer a guy from there and not a tourist from the other side of the world who had 10 years without a relationship and thinks that there all women will die for him.
In reality if someone can't get women on his country then he will have a much bigger trouble geting women on an other country, unless we are talking about golddiggers.
true. If a man cant pull women it makes him undesirable. If you go without women for a longer period of time you become a red flag for most women. Why should a women date an inexperienced guy? The only advantage lies in the fact that you are still fresh and she can build a healthy relationship with you. Maybe even manipulate you and change you the way she wants. If you get together with an older women then its most likely because she is getting older and starts panicking because she wants to have kids. At this point you are plan B. She wasnt able to lock down the man she wanted in her 20s. The older you get the harder it is to find real love. Your best chances are to build something together that will fuse you together in your 20s. If you are 30+ and single you have to go for younger women to have that time window of 5-6 years before you have kids with her.
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if you are below 6ft its over in dating :-X
women only go for 6fters now because its good genetics. they only want the top 10% of men.
10% of men get 90% of women
Tinder is not real life. Go out in some real clubs, parties, events, etc...
I could get women when I was 165cm.
It was way harder than now with 174,5cm but possible.
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Tinder is not real life. Go out in some real clubs, parties, events, etc...
I could get women when I was 165cm.
It was way harder than now with 174,5cm but possible.
165 with handsome face could also be the spotlight in dating right?
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165 with handsome face could also be the spotlight in dating right?
No, even with handsome face and super in shape, a 165cm man still struggles in comparison to an average 176cm guy.
When you are outside of the normal distribution of height for a male (which is the case when you are 165cm) it's not that being taller (meaning, within normal distribution) will make you more attractive - it will make you VISIBLE for more women.
The thing is, height is a pre-requisite for the majority of women - you have to be taller than them, at least. And at 165cm very few women are shorter than you and they usually wear high wheels, which make them taller them you in most situations.
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No, even with handsome face and super in shape, a 165cm man still struggles in comparison to an average 176cm guy.
When you are outside of the normal distribution of height for a male (which is the case when you are 165cm) it's not that being taller (meaning, within normal distribution) will make you more attractive - it will make you VISIBLE for more women.
The thing is, height is a pre-requisite for the majority of women - you have to be taller than them, at least. And at 165cm very few women are shorter than you and they usually wear high wheels, which make them taller them you in most situations.
But there are some men at 165 who attracted more girls than 6 ft tall men, for example, the man from Harry Potter. Probably that's rare right?
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But there are some men at 165 who attracted more girls than 6 ft tall men, for example, the man from Harry Potter. Probably that's rare right?
A (rich) celebrity attracted women? No, you don't say. Wow. Impossible.
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Omg, this post made me ashamed that ı do LL. Seriously ppl who choose to make LL is that looser? I was 1.67 male and in every new social environment ı find a girl who likes or who wants to flirt with me. I only do LL to recover mental pain. Actually, ı have lots of friend who is taller than me but at night life they try to convince me to talk some girls.
Don't be such a looser and try to blame ur height about your ugly face and bad aura.
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Omg, this post made me ashamed that ı do LL. Seriously ppl who choose to make LL is that looser? I was 1.67 male and in every new social environment ı find a girl who likes or who wants to flirt with me. I only do LL to recover mental pain. Actually, ı have lots of friend who is taller than me but at night life they try to convince me to talk some girls.
Don't be such a looser and try to blame ur height about your ugly face and bad aura.
Some guys on this forum are just delusive and naive puffers and 'inspirators' all the time criticizing LLers and they are misunderstanding that men who do LLs are just increasing their heterosexual appeals but not to eradicate their mental pains or else. What's more, height appeals are just potentialized in human's nature and I don't think unless you flirt with a 'robot gf', females can ignore your height completely, just various in emphasises on your height. So some in this post are just delusive and fantasying even though they are short, after they earn a fortune, do something to get a handsome face, they can still hug all of girls like tall men or else.
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let people do what they want... if someone wants this let them do it its their choice. maybe its the wrong choice who cares, its their life they must live with their decision
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I dont care what they want. But if they really think ‘if you are short, you cant kiss girls, can’t convince people etc.’ thats pathetic. It means that those guys accepted that they live their life before lls as a trash (30-35 years average). Which makes em already looser. You should respect yourself first not your height.
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I don't care what they want. But if they really think ‘if you are short, you cant kiss girls, can’t convince people etc.’ thats pathetic. It means that those guys accepted that they live their life before lls as a trash (30-35 years average). Which makes em already looser. You should respect yourself first not your height.
Not everyone who does LL thinks this.
As I said above, I could get hot girls when I was 165cm. It's definitely doable.
But at the same time, it's much harder.
It's night and day now that I'm 174,5cm.
I think people are two extreme in both sides - some people think short men can't get women (which is not true) and some people think short men have no obstacle dating (which is also not true).
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Ye but this has no ending, if you had a ferrari you could get mpre girls or if you had a better noise you could get more girls etc. I think people should do this not just for being taller also for get mentally better. If you dont care about your height and you are short ı think you dont have to get this hell through.
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Ye but this has no ending, if you had a ferrari you could get mpre girls or if you had a better noise you could get more girls etc. I think people should do this not just for being taller also for get mentally better. If you dont care about your height and you are short ı think you dont have to get this hell through.
I heard in China during the ancient time, some men were able to stay single throughout their entire lives, they never approached any girl and still lived happy lives.
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At 1.65 height it is really hard to be successful with women no.matter how handsome you are or even rich.
It is a big obstacle.
Over 1.70 things are easier, after 1.75 are normal (no advantage still) and after 1.80 (or 1.82-3 for countries with a very tall average) height becomes an advantage up to about 1.90 when you start to become ankwardly tall.
Things are simple like that. Of course looks, style and money are very very important but if you are less than 1.70 then they don't count that much for a woman to be really interested on you. So yes, men less than 1.70 really need LL to have a better life, especially on dating. And of course no man over 1.80 needs LL because if he is unsuccesful with women then height is not the main problem for sure.
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But ı have been catching more pretty girl than my tall friends? According to your idiotic theory evey 1.80 male is better than me about dating? Thats bull ı know because ı live 28 years like that.
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But ı have been catching more pretty girl than my tall friends? According to your idiotic theory evey 1.80 male is better than me about dating? Thats bull ı know because ı live 28 years like that.
Hey, let's give some respect and not call it "idiotic theory".
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Wow read some posts and it's depressing how some think. But each to their own. When I was 167cm, I was able to pull girls still. I've had numerous fk buddies and girlfriends. Yes most did say about my height, but I didn't care. Because I have the good looking face that did its thing. I wouldn't had success if I didn't have the face.
On the other hand I have cousins who are 6ft and find it hard to get and keep girls. They just were walking tall trees with no personality.
Yea there are girls who purely want 6ft etc. But these are mostly the really short girls. Or high maintenance types
Do LL if you want, but just don't think it'll solve all your women issues.
To also prove my point a bit more, remember Brad Pitt is 5 10. And women went crazy over him in movie Troy. How come they didn't swoon over other guys taller than Brad?
So my advice, make your face look good, then height. Don't make height first. And u don't need to be 190cm to get million girls.
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Wow read some posts and it's depressing how some think. But each to their own. When I was 167cm, I was able to pull girls still. I've had numerous fk buddies and girlfriends. Yes most did say about my height, but I didn't care. Because I have the good looking face that did its thing. I wouldn't had success if I didn't have the face.
On the other hand I have cousins who are 6ft and find it hard to get and keep girls. They just were walking tall trees with no personality.
Yea there are girls who purely want 6ft etc. But these are mostly the really short girls. Or high maintenance types
Do LL if you want, but just don't think it'll solve all your women issues.
To also prove my point a bit more, remember Brad Pitt is 5 10. And women went crazy over him in movie Troy. How come they didn't swoon over other guys taller than Brad?
So my advice, make your face look good, then height. Don't make height first. And u don't need to be 190cm to get million girls.
What country do you live? And did a lot of girls talk about your 167 height when first dating you?
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bois, have a saying and when they mention my height in conversation, i say "the girls i met always talk about tall guys but at the end they always fall in love with me". ;)
Be confident, confident will give u girls if u really think about it. Ofcourse, when you are 1.68, its hard to date +1.75 girls but who cares.
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bois, have a saying and when they mention my height in conversation, i say "the girls i met always talk about tall guys but at the end they always fall in love with me". ;)
Be confident, confident will give u girls if u really think about it. Ofcourse, when you are 1.68, its hard to date +1.75 girls but who cares.
168 and 175, not much big difference right. Some girls do accept guys little shorter than they are.
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What country do you live? And did a lot of girls talk about your 167 height when first dating you?
I live in Australia. Yes many did say I was short. Some always kept saying if only you were taller. I wished that too. But it was my face that pulled them. Personality did icing on cake as well.
During the ages of 18 to 26, my 6ft cousins would go clubs alot. I wouldn't. Yes it was height that made me not go. Id hear them say they hooked up with some girl etc. And in my mind I thought wow girls must be hot
But in fact the girls were quite average. My girlfriends and f buddies looked way better. Then I thought how am I pulling pretty girls and they can't? They are much taller. It was my face....
So that's when I made sure I kept my face in good condition hahah.
Now I'm 35 and my cousins same age. I still pull girls in 20s easily and hook up. My 6ft cousins are bald now and haven't aged well. They approach 50 girls to hook up with one. One of the cousins wife always tell him that I am so handsome etc etc.
If I didn't have the face, I'd be doing worse than my cousins. That's for sure.
Plus now I earn 6 figure salary and net worth $800 000.
I wish I could have done LL during my 20s but I don't mind. The tough times have made me so strong. And it is what pushed me to become successful financially.
Remember Brad Pitt and george clooney are around 5 10.
Women go crazy over those 2 than any other 6ft+ guy next to them.
Become the guy that has many things going for them. Don't just be tall. Don't just have a good face. Don't just have a good body. Don't just earn big money.
For hook ups yes, height and looks will matter most.
But for a relationship, a 5 10, handsome, fit, earns 6 figures will beat the daylights over a guy who just has 6 feet 2 inches going for him
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At 1.65 height it is really hard to be successful with women no.matter how handsome you are or even rich.
It is a big obstacle.
Over 1.70 things are easier, after 1.75 are normal (no advantage still) and after 1.80 (or 1.82-3 for countries with a very tall average) height becomes an advantage up to about 1.90 when you start to become ankwardly tall.
Things are simple like that. Of course looks, style and money are very very important but if you are less than 1.70 then they don't count that much for a woman to be really interested on you. So yes, men less than 1.70 really need LL to have a better life, especially on dating. And of course no man over 1.80 needs LL because if he is unsuccesful with women then height is not the main problem for sure.
Look around in real life. Ud surely see handsome guys who are around 165 cm doing great with girls. My bro is 165 cm and he had girls swooning over him. Always hooked up and had many girls to choose from. Simply cause he has a really good face and bad boy attitude.
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My point is that everything has a point of diminishing returns. Let's call it point x. When u pass that, you see diminishing return.
Eg when your poor and have no car, getting first car is must. Provides alot of benefits. Second car great, leisure car. Third car won't do that much. Now you also have a 10th car, how much benefit does it give? Past car number 3,the benefits start to diminish.
Same way with bank balance. When I was poor, 2k extra a month in income did great. Now I earn 150k salary, if I get a bump to 170k, it's not gonna change my life much. Just more money to spend on useless things.
See how there comes a point of diminishing returns?
Same way with anything in life. Everything has diminishing returns. When your 160cm, going to 170cm will do heaps. Go to 180cm, will also do good but not as much. Now go to 190cm, it will only please vast minority of girls. Go 200cm, totally not necessary. Benefits diminished drastically.
So as a summary, try to improve yourself in many areas and only go up to that point x. And then stop. Focus on other things.
Hence a 5 10, handsome, fit, 6 figure salary, will pull girls left right and centre. Cause it's a rare combination.
I am all of the above except the height part haha. And I still get great results with girls to this day. If I somehow become 510, I think girls will just get even easier to some extent. I'd be able to get those girls much taller than me. The table of options expanded. But the girls shorter than me never was a problem to get them. I mostly did the choosing. The girl I like, I pursue, and they open to me since I'm a rare combination.
Hope that puts things into perspective for someone who's been there.
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Look around in real life. Ud surely see handsome guys who are around 165 cm doing great with girls. My bro is 165 cm and he had girls swooning over him. Always hooked up and had many girls to choose from. Simply cause he has a really good face and bad boy attitude.
So you mean there is someone who can earn $100000K in his lifetime, then you can, too? It's haphazard mate. Admit it, few men around and under 165cm can easily grab girls in thier hugs compare to tall men, perhaps even with cute faces and strong statures.
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So you mean there is someone who can earn $100000K in his lifetime, then you can, too? It's haphazard mate. Admit it, few men around and under 165cm can easily grab girls in thier hugs compare to tall men, perhaps even with cute faces and strong statures.
Ofcourse people can earn good money if they want to. The desire to be successful has to be there. Look at any successful person and they'd tell you it took alot of failure to get there. But they just didn't give up. And now they rich. They all preach same stuff about hard work and not giving up. I had many failures before I got to 6 figure salary. When my 6ft cousins were partying, I was busy learning how to make money.
Im giving advice based on real life examples and not just fairy taie thinking.
Yes few men under 165cm can pull women. These few are the real good looking ones. I already stated a average looker at 165cm will find it hard.
Look at Zac efron another example, he is around 170cm and women were crazy over him in bay watch. He was all shredded. Plus he has the looks.
Even though he lacks height, he has looks and money and status. Hence he does not have shortage of women after him. Vast majority of women would pick zac over a 6ft bald, poor, and lanky/fat guy.
Having many ticked checkboxes about yourself is hard to achieve. But is possible. All I'm saying is don't put eggs into one basket, that basket being just height.
I never said height doesn't matter. U just don't need to be 6ft to get girls. So many real life examples are there. Brad pit is just 5 10
Instead of assuming based on own bias, just observe and see whats happening. Ud understand things as they are.
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In Australia, if you were just going out buying stuffs, like going to Kmart, Woolworths, etc, would height be a factor when it comes to staffs at the shops being respectful? Would they treat everyone the same regardless of their heights?
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In Australia, if you were just going out buying stuffs, like going to Kmart, Woolworths, etc, would height be a factor when it comes to staffs at the shops being respectful? Would they treat everyone the same regardless of their heights?
Of course they would that's basic decency
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Of course they would that's basic decency
I'm also wondering why it occured to her to ask such a question. I think no normal people will for no reasons discriminate you, at least explicitly, just bc of your height, no matter the country, although China is undeniably the most heightism country all over the world.
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In Australia, if you were just going out buying stuffs, like going to Kmart, Woolworths, etc, would height be a factor when it comes to staffs at the shops being respectful? Would they treat everyone the same regardless of their heights?
I would say yes they'd treat you same from customer service point of view.
In your group of friends there might be some who make height jokes. Just the crap men/women who do it.
My reply I give them is "yea well I have a better than face among many other things than you. Your just a lanky mess".
And then smirk so they know your not triggered. Just having fun jokes like they are. They should know how it feels when same jokes are used over and over.
Now they've alll stopped since I give it back. Be strong. Don't let people step on you. They'd do it as long as u don't say anything. Easy target for them.
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Look around in real life. Ud surely see handsome guys who are around 165 cm doing great with girls. My bro is 165 cm and he had girls swooning over him. Always hooked up and had many girls to choose from. Simply cause he has a really good face and bad boy attitude.
At 1.65 even if you have the best face, most women see you as a boy.
And women want men, not boys, at least after 25yo. I agree that face is important, I have a good face too and thats the reason I have success with women even at my 1.69 height before LL, but still having a good height with some muscles and an average face is almost always more preferable for the majority of women than a handsome face with an 1.65 height.
Most women nowadays are at least 1.63 and with heels on (which all of them wear at night) they become easily 10cm taller than that so it is really hard for a man less than 1.70 not to be towered at places like clubs, bars etc.
Even now with about 1.75cm height at night plus 3cm shoes with insoles which put me at a solid 1.78cm, I am only a little taller than most of the women at night places which don't give me any real benefit, nor I would be very noticed if I didn't have some muscles (on winter where I wear shirts and generally clothes more full than t shirts I am gettimg noticed much less) compared.to a 6ft+ guy.
I agree that height is not a solution to everything when it comes to dating but I truly believe that heights like 1.65 for a man are a big deal breaker for dating.
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At 1.65 even if you have the best face, most women see you as a boy.
And women want men, not boys, at least after 25yo. I agree that face is important, I have a good face too and thats the reason I have success with women even at my 1.69 height before LL, but still having a good height with some muscles and an average face is almost always more preferable for the majority of women than a handsome face with an 1.65 height.
Most women nowadays are at least 1.63 and with heels on (which all of them wear at night) they become easily 10cm taller than that so it is really hard for a man less than 1.70 not to be towered at places like clubs, bars etc.
Even now with about 1.75cm height at night plus 3cm shoes with insoles which put me at a solid 1.78cm, I am only a little taller than most of the women at night places which don't give me any real benefit, nor I would be very noticed if I didn't have some muscles (on winter where I wear shirts and generally clothes more full than t shirts I am gettimg noticed much less) compared.to a 6ft+ guy.
I agree that height is not a solution to everything when it comes to dating but I truly believe that heights like 1.65 for a man are a big deal breaker for dating.
Dude heels can't obtain anyone 10cm height LOL and eventually they can only obtain 5cm or so. But I agree on the rest of what you said. That's true. Men under 170cm are really screwed up in dating just bc of heights and that's undeniable. That's one of reasons why we should set out for LL just like women are contemplating plastic surgeries.
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Dude heels can't obtain anyone 10cm height LOL and eventually they can only obtain 5cm or so. But I agree on the rest of what you said. That's true. Men under 170cm are really screwed up in dating just bc of heights and that's undeniable. That's one of reasons why we should set out for LL just like women are contemplating plastic surgeries.
You Can absolutely get 10cm out of heels, especially if they're platform heels like thèse Ariana grande wears.
I know when I wear thèse I reach 5'11/ 6' depending on how thick they are
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You Can absolutely get 10cm out of heels, especially if they're platform heels like thèse Ariana grande wears.
I know when I wear thèse I reach 5'11/ 6' depending on how thick they are
Not many girls wear platform heels though, a standard 2-3 inch heel seems to be the norm
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I would say yes they'd treat you same from customer service point of view.
In your group of friends there might be some who make height jokes. Just the crap men/women who do it.
My reply I give them is "yea well I have a better than face among many other things than you. Your just a lanky mess".
And then smirk so they know your not triggered. Just having fun jokes like they are. They should know how it feels when same jokes are used over and over.
Now they've alll stopped since I give it back. Be strong. Don't let people step on you. They'd do it as long as u don't say anything. Easy target for them.
May I pm you? Sorry but there's something confusing.
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May I pm you? Sorry but there's something confusing.
Yes PM no problem.
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Not many girls wear platform heels though, a standard 2-3 inch heel seems to be the norm
Also “3 inch heels” only give roughly 2.5 inches of height due to the position ankle pivoting.
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There is so much copium in the comments. Women care a lot about height, it’s one of the most attractive aspects of a mans physique. Personality matters but a very large amount of women just won’t date a man who’s not “X “ height . If you are 5’6 your dating options will be substantially reduced.
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if you re 5'9 aswell. the dating market starts at 5'10 for most men.
you are all just coping. if you dont get LL you will die alone 8)
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Dude heels can't obtain anyone 10cm height LOL and eventually they can only obtain 5cm or so. But I agree on the rest of what you said. That's true. Men under 170cm are really screwed up in dating just bc of heights and that's undeniable. That's one of reasons why we should set out for LL just like women are contemplating plastic surgeries.
Most of women in clubs wear 12cm heels and many of them even 15cm.
A 12cm heel gives a woman who knows to really walk on it more than 8cm and a 15cm heel more than 10cm real height.
So no, most of them obtain much more than 5cm. Almost that height I obtain personally when I wear my almost 3cm insole to my shoes who normally have about 2-2.5cm height on their own.
But what I wanted to say is that even an 1.75 man with 3cm added height from shoes (so a total 1.78) is not tall next to women in clubs due to their heels so an 1.65 man, even with the best face in the world, is totally.invisible there.
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Most of women in clubs wear 12cm heels and many of them even 15cm.
A 12cm heel gives a woman who knows to really walk on it more than 8cm and a 15cm heel more than 10cm real height.
So no, most of them obtain much more than 5cm. Almost that height I obtain personally when I wear my almost 3cm insole to my shoes who normally have about 2-2.5cm height on their own.
But what I wanted to say is that even an 1.75 man with 3cm added height from shoes (so a total 1.78) is not tall next to women in clubs due to their heels so an 1.65 man, even with the best face in the world, is totally.invisible there.
Yes in terms of clubs and random hook up and what not, height and looks do matter. Not just height alone.
A 180cm Brad Pitt will do way better than a 190 normal looking guy.
So if clubs/tinder hook ups are your thing, yes being over 180cm is quite the requirement. Plus looks. Don't leave looks out.
But if you want a relationship with a genuine beautiful down to earth women, then don't just concentrate on height. Get decent height like over 178cm, a good face, good body, money, status, personality, and you'd marry a woman of your choice.
I've been able to have long term sexual relationships with beautiful women that that tall 185cm+ guys couldn't get. I got 2 cousins who are 6ft, yet still single chasing women. They can't get. Why? Their looks are below average.
Look up LMS on youtube. Black pill stuff. Pure truth. Looks comes first then height multiplies that. Only the really short girls want really tall guys. As first preference.
During my earlier years being at 167cm, I had girls from all types have interest in me. From white to serbian to Asian to Indian to Italian etc. Why? My face is what saved me. Face being in the Hollywood looker level. Not boasting just stating facts.
I even had this serbian girl who was like 170cm. Did many mention my height? Yes. Did it stop them from seeking relationship with me? No. Because I was maxed in other areas.
Those here who think height is the only thing that matters with girls, well go get height and see how much more of actual beautiful women you get. You'd be surprised to see although it's increased, there will be others who don't like you due to looks etc.
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I'm not against LL. It's great. But just be realistic about it. Gaining 8 cm will not automatically serve you brand new women every week
It'll just make a good first impression. Then you go from there. It'll open more doors for sure. But you still have to show other stuff when you past that entrance door.
Be past a decent height like 180cm and you'll be OK. Don't need to be 195cm etc.
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I know a few short very successful, rich men who are considered very attractive. Women say they are attractive but they always say they are tiny. I also work with very successful, rich, average or a bit better than average looking tall men, over 190cm. When the two groups work together, women always go for the tall men and pay them much more attention.
Masculinity really matters to women
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I know a few short very successful, rich men who are considered very attractive. Women say they are attractive but they always say they are tiny. I also work with very successful, rich, average or a bit better than average looking tall men, over 190cm. When the two groups work together, women always go for the tall men and pay them much more attention.
Masculinity really matters to women
How tall are those short men you mentioned?
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170 or less
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170 or less
At what level is their face looks? Top level like Brad Pitt, George clooney, Chris hemsworth, model level?
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I'm not against LL. It's great. But just be realistic about it. Gaining 8 cm will not automatically serve you brand new women every week
It'll just make a good first impression. Then you go from there. It'll open more doors for sure. But you still have to show other stuff when you past that entrance door.
Be past a decent height like 180cm and you'll be OK. Don't need to be 195cm etc.
If you are short like 160-170cm short then gaining women will be exponentially more after a 8cm lengthening. I'm not talking about 173cm onwards, it will hardly do much
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Most of women in clubs wear 12cm heels and many of them even 15cm.
A 12cm heel gives a woman who knows to really walk on it more than 8cm and a 15cm heel more than 10cm real height.
So no, most of them obtain much more than 5cm. Almost that height I obtain personally when I wear my almost 3cm insole to my shoes who normally have about 2-2.5cm height on their own.
But what I wanted to say is that even an 1.75 man with 3cm added height from shoes (so a total 1.78) is not tall next to women in clubs due to their heels so an 1.65 man, even with the best face in the world, is totally.invisible there.
Never gonna be true bro LOL.
12cm heels will destory your feet and I think no women can withstand such pains. On market, most of heels can only obtain women 5cm growths although several specially tailored heels can really guarantee around 10cm growths, rarely 20cm growths(although I dunno if those can really guarantee such growths) but they are peculiar enough so I don't figure out it can occur to random not very short women to wear them on.
You can taste the pains through this vid:
https://haokan.baidu.com/v?pd=wisenatural&vid=9297317734038359703
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They don't wear those super high painful heels all the time. It's just for a few hours when they want to go out and look fabulous, and they want a man who's still just barely taller than them when they do.
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They don't wear those super high painful heels all the time. It's just for a few hours when they want to go out and look fabulous, and they want a man who's still just barely taller than them when they do.
Studies show that women don’t just want men taller than them in heels but taller than the average men who can be more than just “barely” taller than women in heels.
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Good luck on your surgery tomorrow TakingAction! Big life event for sure. You'll be my height
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But there are pretty women and nice girls who are not tall, why not focusing on them? There will always be women "out of our league" anyway, no matter how tall we are or going to be.
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But there are pretty women and nice girls who are not tall, why not focusing on them? There will always be women "out of our league" anyway, no matter how tall we are or going to be.
Usually shorter girls like taller guys even more, being tall opens up your options more. All things equal, a 5'10 guy would be more likely to be considered attractive to a girl than a 5'5 guy.
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Thank you!!!
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But at the end of the day, you will live and love just ONE. Is it worth just to open up options in sex temporarily? By the way, women in the UK, which has a slightly higher height average than the US, prefer men with 5"8.
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Having a 5'8 height would be nice
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Usually shorter girls like taller guys even more, being tall opens up your options more. All things equal, a 5'10 guy would be more likely to be considered attractive to a girl than a 5'5 guy.
That’s the crazy thing I’ve noticed, the I’m 5’9” and the women who are totally fine with my height when dating have been 5’8, 5’9” and 5’10”. I’ve personally noticed that women who are on the short to average range are the ones who are obsessed with height.
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That’s the crazy thing I’ve noticed, the I’m 5’9” and the women who are totally fine with my height when dating have been 5’8, 5’9” and 5’10”. I’ve personally noticed that women who are on the short to average range are the ones who are obsessed with height.
Shorter ladies always want something they don’t have: taller height
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Studies show that women don’t just want men taller than them in heels but taller than the average men who can be more than just “barely” taller than women in heels.
"Studies show" there is a study for everything someone wants to hear. Most "studies" mean jack
https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/dating/most-attractive-height-for-man-woman-a3846246.html
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There is so much copium in the comments. Women care a lot about height, it’s one of the most attractive aspects of a mans physique. Personality matters but a very large amount of women just won’t date a man who’s not “X “ height . If you are 5’6 your dating options will be substantially reduced.
Nope not copium. Let me show facts to all readers here.
Check out this 5 foot 6 handsome fit guy on tiktok.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSeKCAJuQ/
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSeKC2nhW/
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSeKCBJDu/
Look at the comments from women. All drooling. Check out all his videos. Women going nuts. He can choose so many women.
Do they care of his height? Nah. His face and body is THAT good that's why i said in previous huge post, that me and my bro both got heaps of girls regardless of our 5 foot 6 height. See facts as they are guys. Don't glamorise height as the only factor, loook at other factors about yourself as well. How handsome are u? How fit is your body?
I'll resay it. A 6 foot 2 lanky or fat guy with bad face will lose to 5 foot 10 Brad Pitt. That guy would even lose to 5 foot 7 Zac efron.
I backed up my claims with facts.
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Not clicking on links to that Chinese spyware platform. :o
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Not clicking on links to that Chinese spyware platform. :o
If 5'7 is converted as 170-172cm in Metric System then his height is just so-so, not that short at least he is not shorter than the majority of China's youngsters by very much.
If you are only 5'2-5'3 or even under it then it's another story.
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If 5'7 is converted as 170-172cm in Metric System then his height is just so-so, not that short at least he is not shorter than the majority of China's youngsters by very much.
If you are only 5'2-5'3 or even under it then it's another story.
That tiktok guy is 5 foot 6 not 5 foot 7..so less then 170cm. Around 167cm.
And he is not chinese. Is Half Italian half Arab.
There are numerous white women swooning over him in comments. So western women who are taller now days..
My point was, he is 5 foot 6 and still has no shortage of women due to his face and fit body. Showing proof to counter what others are saying that 5 foot 6 and below is hopeless for women regardless of face.
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That tiktok guy is 5 foot 6 not 5 foot 7..so less then 170cm. Around 167cm.
And he is not chinese. Is Half Italian half Arab.
There are numerous white women swooning over him in comments. So western women who are taller now days..
My point was, he is 5 foot 6 and still has no shortage of women due to his face and fit body. Showing proof to counter what others are saying that 5 foot 6 and below is hopeless for women regardless of face.
He attracted a lot of women at the height of 167cm?! Maybe 167 isn't short just below the average by Western standard?
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He attracted a lot of women at the height of 167cm?! Maybe 167 isn't short just below the average by Western standard?
Because he has handsome face and great body. That's why. Don't just base everything on height. If he was 5 10 yes that'll be even better for him. But women are already so attracted due to his face and body. Height alone isn't the factor to getting women
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That tiktok guy is 5 foot 6 not 5 foot 7..so less then 170cm. Around 167cm.
And he is not chinese. Is Half Italian half Arab.
There are numerous white women swooning over him in comments. So western women who are taller now days..
My point was, he is 5 foot 6 and still has no shortage of women due to his face and fit body. Showing proof to counter what others are saying that 5 foot 6 and below is hopeless for women regardless of face.
Sorry, but again, if there were two 'buttons' for me to choose:under 170cm with a healthy body and around 188-190cm with Ebola or Quadriplegia, I will never hesitate to choose the latter.
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Sorry, but again, if there were two 'buttons' for me to choose:under 170cm with a healthy body and around 188-190cm with Ebola or Quadriplegia, I will never hesitate to choose the latter.
Are you a woman? Going by your profile symbol, your a male. So you think women should do is not what they actually do.
Yes there are the small percentage of women who would not choose that guy and go for some 6 ft 4 tall ebola looking guy. But looking at percentages, more women would go for him than that 6 ft 4 Ebola looking guy.
Just look at the amount of women swooning after that 5ft 6 guy. It's an eye opener to facts.
Do u really think a 6 foot 4 Ebola guy can beat Brad Pitt in terms of getting women? Answer me that
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Because he has handsome face and great body. That's why. Don't just base everything on height. If he was 5 10 yes that'll be even better for him. But women are already so attracted due to his face and body. Height alone isn't the factor to getting women
Tiktok guy you posted looks like conventional handsome white guy so already has 2 big positives going for him and his height isn't a deal breaker so of course he is popular. If he was taller it would obviously be a bonus for him.
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Sorry, but again, if there were two 'buttons' for me to choose:under 170cm with a healthy body and around 188-190cm with Ebola or Quadriplegia, I will never hesitate to choose the latter.
If you had Quadriplegia you would be in a wheelchair.
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Sorry, but again, if there were two 'buttons' for me to choose:under 170cm with a healthy body and around 188-190cm with Ebola or Quadriplegia, I will never hesitate to choose the latter.
You're sick. I don't even know if LL can help your distorted mind. With Ebola you would die in less than a week. Just do LL AND counselling or kill yourself within a week and stop infecting the forum.
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Sorry, but again, if there were two 'buttons' for me to choose:under 170cm with a healthy body and around 188-190cm with Ebola or Quadriplegia, I will never hesitate to choose the latter.
MOD, do you think this systematic posting is constructive, minimally racional and respectful for guys shorter than 170cm specially extremely short like me and for people suffering from the several diseases he constantly mentions SYSTEMATICALLY in the majority of topics over the whole forum?
Does this have place in the forum, does it help its purpose and users, does this add something to discussion or even is it a means of questioning and getting legitimate information?
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Because he has handsome face and great body. That's why. Don't just base everything on height. If he was 5 10 yes that'll be even better for him. But women are already so attracted due to his face and body. Height alone isn't the factor to getting women
I understood, but I don't base it on height. I was just a bit curious about the standard of height after reading articles that men below 170 is considered short and may have difficulty to socialize, which I don't agree. I met a man around 166-168, he told me he is too short by Western standard, which I think may not be the case, so I was just curious if that height is considered short by Western standard. Sorry my English isn't too good that may be hard to understand sometimes.
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Sorry, but again, if there were two 'buttons' for me to choose:under 170cm with a healthy body and around 188-190cm with Ebola or Quadriplegia, I will never hesitate to choose the latter.
The Ebola patient will be lying in a bed, only a few inches tall. The quadriplegic would be in a wheelchair, only a few feet tall. Their "natural" heights don't give them height. Please explain why you'd want to be so much shorter than the 170 cm guy.
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MOD, do you think this systematic posting is constructive, minimally racional and respectful for guys shorter than 170cm specially extremely short like me and for people suffering from the several diseases he constantly mentions SYSTEMATICALLY in the majority of topics over the whole forum?
Does this have place in the forum, does it help its purpose and users, does this add something to discussion or even is it a means of questioning and getting legitimate information?
I don't think it's constructive, rational, or respectful. But I hope the conversation can move in that direction now that he's expressed his frustration and unhappiness. I don't want to just give up on someone like that.
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First, a TikTok influencer is just a bunch of videos. Women don't necessarily realise that is he short, due to how the videos are produced.
Secondly, to answer someone's question, in Northern Europe 170cm is considered short, even 175cm potentially.
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I don't think it's constructive, rational, or respectful. But I hope the conversation can move in that direction now that he's expressed his frustration and unhappiness. I don't want to just give up on someone like that.
@MDOW He is literally posting that everyday since so LONG; does his sick ,stupid and distort opinion has to be displayed EVERY DAY and do we have to deal with his insanity EVERY TIME a thread is opened ?
He clearly won't do s*it neither option 5 ,2 ,1 or any lengthening because he is a psychopath person with many disorders that it's not capable to put the trash out of his house, if asked to do so .
He makes accounts and changes names every other day and keeps saying disrespectful things about life n towards (indirectly) users below 170cm , as zaozari said .
Personal Freedom ends when u invade the freedom of others and he crossed that line long ago .
He is humanly impossible to deal with because he has real issues , it's not a way to offend him but he has mental issues and it's clear.
What other treats does someone has to have to be banned here ?!
Kill someone and post the pictures of the murder ?
I don't get it !
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First, a TikTok influencer is just a bunch of videos. Women don't necessarily realise that is he short, due to how the videos are produced.
Secondly, to answer someone's question, in Northern Europe 170cm is considered short, even 175cm potentially.
I respectfully disagree. They do know he is short. He openly says in his video that he is 5 ft 6.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSeEeFS8L/
And in most of his videos showing full body you can tell he does look 5 ft 6ish.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSeEeY1g4/
His looks and body make up for his lack of tall height. 5ft 6 is no way near the standard 6ft requirement for women. If he was normal looking and skinny/fat, women would avoid him and then mention that he is short as.
Zac efron is around same height of 5 ft7. Countless women swoon over him. Even when he did baywatch movie where he was casted next to dwayne Johnson( over 6ft 2).
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The Ebola patient will be lying in a bed, only a few inches tall. The quadriplegic would be in a wheelchair, only a few feet tall. Their "natural" heights don't give them height. Please explain why you'd want to be so much shorter than the 170 cm guy.
At least I am not 'short', literally. But anyway thx for your sympathy man!
I am just all the time expressing how horrendous the detriments of my height are bringing to me instead of deliberately spreading mental harms from myself onto others but they are just misunderatanding me holding intentions to insult or whatever they have said to me before. All in all no offenses.
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Actually, they are shorter literally than you. That extra curled-up length they have in their cripple chairs and their death beds doesn't do them any good. Their heads are much lower than every short person except dwarves.
Next time you go to the bathroom and take a all by yourself, think about the fact that this "dream" of yours to be a dying cripple would mean you couldn't even do that.
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Actually, they are shorter literally than you. That extra curled-up length they have in their cripple chairs and their death beds doesn't do them any good. Their heads are much lower than every short person except dwarves.
Next time you go to the bathroom and take a all by yourself, think about the fact that this "dream" of yours to be a dying cripple would mean you couldn't even do that.
Thx. But I gotta make a head-up:I am really working out on my journey to doing Option 5.
So dunno how Masteryourlife's opinion that I won't do anything like Option 5 was formed in his mind and as long as he checked my posts, he could've for sure learned that I would kill for Option 5 and inquire as many details as possible about Option 5, like how to apply Visas for going to Paley's, about which I threw the question in my post Meetup & Travel.
Do you also think I am just talking about stratagems on posts? Actually no. For once I even dreamed of doing LL surgery lying on a operating table where I was glanced at by several medical personnels and the dream ended up with my legs wrapped by the external fixators.
I was also sparing nearly all of my private time on searching data about height or height-related stuffs and through that I knew 178cm is a good height among China's Genzs although stloads of Genzs are inflating the average height like 180-185 is average height in 12 y.o cohort. So I think that can shed a little light on how obsessed I am with my height and how painful I am feeling about my height.
So I am not just a spoiler hanging around this forum. So his conclusion 'I am throwing toxic opinions in EVERY post' is totally stretching the reality, at least recently you can also see me post other kinds of posts like answering two OP's questions, one of which, I can recall, questioned about why he got height shrinkage after finishing external LL.
I don't dare say I am a master at LL knowledges. But I can say I am already expertise at the 'sketch' of LL, at least before it several Chineses questioned my about LL and I answered very patiently and precisely.
So I really dunno why those two guys who are thinking I am on purpose putting fire to their emotions concluded I just seem to be making sequent jokes on this forum.(If I am also misunderstanding then I am sorry)
Plus, I am also working out on other aspects of my life, like just now I was occupied in preparing for Kaoyan(aka Postgraduate Entrance Examination) practicing College Mathmatics problem solving and reading Data Structure textbook to increase my level of education.
To recap, I am just addressing my view of how emuscalating being short for a man is and still, never attempting to offend anyone.
(BTW, if you can spare time to evaluate my English proficiency, although I know it can only make few senses since you are not an English teacher in China or whatnot but you are a native speaker so in light of it I will also take your evaluations into my considerations plz try to do an amateur evaluation and plz take it srsly don't overrate it just not to hurt my feelings. I gotta know the real situation. It will be a foresight of my scores of Kaoyan's English examination. Thx!)
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Thx. But I gotta make a head-up:I am really working out on my journey to doing Option 5.
So dunno how Masteryourlife's opinion that I won't do anything like Option 5 was formed in his mind and as long as he checked my posts, he could've for sure learned that I would kill for Option 5 and inquire as many details as possible about Option 5, like how to apply Visas for going to Paley's, about which I threw the question in my post Meetup & Travel.
Do you also think I am just talking about stratagems on posts? Actually no. For once I even dreamed of doing LL surgery lying on a operating table where I was glanced at by several medical personnels and the dream ended up with my legs wrapped by the external fixators.
I was also sparing nearly all of my private time on searching data about height or height-related stuffs and through that I knew 178cm is a good height among China's Genzs although stloads of Genzs are inflating the average height like 180-185 is average height in 12 y.o cohort. So I think that can shed a little light on how obsessed I am with my height and how painful I am feeling about my height.
So I am not just a spoiler hanging around this forum. So his conclusion 'I am throwing toxic opinions in EVERY post' is totally stretching the reality, at least recently you can also see me post other kinds of posts like answering two OP's questions, one of which, I can recall, questioned about why he got height shrinkage after finishing external LL.
I don't dare say I am a master at LL knowledges. But I can say I am already expertise at the 'sketch' of LL, at least before it several Chineses questioned my about LL and I answered very patiently and precisely.
So I really dunno why those two guys who are thinking I am on purpose putting fire to their emotions concluded I just seem to be making sequent jokes on this forum.(If I am also misunderstanding then I am sorry)
Plus, I am also working out on other aspects of my life, like just now I was occupied in preparing for Kaoyan(aka Postgraduate Entrance Examination) practicing College Mathmatics problem solving and reading Data Structure textbook to increase my level of education.
To recap, I am just addressing my view of how emuscalating being short for a man is and still, never attempting to offend anyone.
(BTW, if you can spare time to evaluate my English proficiency, although I know it can only make few senses since you are not an English teacher in China or whatnot but you are a native speaker so in light of it I will also take your evaluations into my considerations plz try to do an amateur evaluation and plz take it srsly don't overrate it just not to hurt my feelings. I gotta know the real situation. It will be a foresight of my scores of Kaoyan's English examination. Thx!)
You have no clue what life at 175 cm is (for example)!
You don't have an opinion; you are obsessed with things that does not even come from you but from a sick story ( n not even real) of the genZ being 185 cm etc.
Life can be super awesome at 5'8 n 5'9 but the fact that "option 5 or nothing" triggers me a lot because you are arrogant !
I'm a "former" model and live close to people that have the highest standards in the world n height is the only thing I lack in and that evolved trough years .
So you can't say " you are 5'9 willing to do this so u arrogant too" .
It might seems like for me it is a "if it happens it happens if not ,fine" but it is not like that ; I lost the best years of my life n still doing it by feeling angry n frustrated ; the pressure is huge and most of us here thought about death at least once in order to undergo LL surgery with such a conviction ..because among here there is the conviction that this surgery is tough but doable when in the real world , no one would be down to do that even if they got millions of dollars, and that gives an idea of what we are down too.
So you are not the only one suffering and being shorter then me or taller then someone else does not make your pain more intense ; its all relative to your reality and I live hand by hand with the most beautiful poeple in the world so the pressure I have its huge and the fact that everything it's potentially at my reach , but 2 inches sets me apart , cuts me inside everytime I think about it .
This does not apply to everyone tho!!!
I learned to live with it until I do this surgery and NO ONE will pay for it but me because my parents understood but never agreed so they will support me emotionally if I do it ,but they still try heavily to make me rethink meanwhile and will not sponsor me it in any way .
I don't come here to post how many nights I cried and went out for walks around the city at 5 am crying non stop or not sleeping for days in a row because we all went trough tough times ..very very very tough times and that is why we are here.
Your way of expressing your emotions and ur situations its obsessive,irrational,immature and disrespectful because I do understand you , but you are not the only one suffering and you compare height to diseases that kill people n destroy families ..and you compare that to some inches ;they would give you all the height and be 3 ft to only be healthy !
Express your emotions without being pathetic n irrational !
You trigger people because everytime we get on we find your crazy posts and its hard to ignore you because you are everywhere and you seems to not want to respect others that tell you to stop !
There is no persoal hate ,you are just very very annoying n immature !
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What is option 5?
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What is option 5?
Nuclear.
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people that have the highest standards in the world n height is the only thing I lack in and that evolved trough years
Los Angeles?
Personally I was 173 pre surgery and slept with dozens of women, so yes it's possible if you have other things going for you, but if I had been 185 it would have been much easier.
Every little helps. There's no point telling someone who dislike their height that "some short people are doing great"
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Los Angeles?
Personally I was 173 pre surgery and slept with dozens of women, so yes it's possible if you have other things going for you, but if I had been 185 it would have been much easier.
Every little helps. There's no point telling someone who dislike their height that "some short people are doing great"
Yea it does make it easier.
But if a guy lacks greatly in other areas, 8 cm height won't do that much. They'd be surprised after LL their success with women is still bad.
My take is, fix your face too, get fit. Then do LL as bonus.
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Los Angeles?
Personally I was 173 pre surgery and slept with dozens of women, so yes it's possible if you have other things going for you, but if I had been 185 it would have been much easier.
Every little helps. There's no point telling someone who dislike their height that "some short people are doing great"
Some feel that 173 is still considered average height for American. 173 is a decent height. Tom Cruise is around that height. Justin Bieber also
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Los Angeles?
Personally I was 173 pre surgery and slept with dozens of women, so yes it's possible if you have other things going for you, but if I had been 185 it would have been much easier.
Every little helps. There's no point telling someone who dislike their height that "some short people are doing great"
You haven't followed the posts prior to this !
I did not say short people are doing great , this is what you read in my message ; I said that if you are 165 and then you jump to 5'8 /5'9 your life would increase and there is nothing wrong with this height and I say that coming from 5'9 .
I talked about my job because the context makes a big difference and that is why I'm not happy with 5'9 ( and few other reasons but same kind of topic) .
Other then that with my look n height I can get ANYTHING I want , this all for me its just personal .
Someone around 165 cm saying 180+ or nothing irs ridiculous!
That was my point n u jumped into the convo just rn but this stuff has been going on for days and weeks where this guy wants to be 180+ and doing 2 rebreakes and quadrilateral etc . (At least he acts like so ....)
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Yo just stfu. Being tall helps in dating significantly and that’s a fact.
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Yo just stfu. Being tall helps in dating significantly and that’s a fact.
Agree. Being short also means to me that I am suffering from a more terrifying disease than Leukemia and Ebola.
Doing LL means achieving chemical therapy or whatnot.
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You have no clue what life at 175 cm is (for example)!
You don't have an opinion; you are obsessed with things that does not even come from you but from a sick story ( n not even real) of the genZ being 185 cm etc.
Life can be super awesome at 5'8 n 5'9 but the fact that "option 5 or nothing" triggers me a lot because you are arrogant !
I'm a "former" model and live close to people that have the highest standards in the world n height is the only thing I lack in and that evolved trough years .
So you can't say " you are 5'9 willing to do this so u arrogant too" .
It might seems like for me it is a "if it happens it happens if not ,fine" but it is not like that ; I lost the best years of my life n still doing it by feeling angry n frustrated ; the pressure is huge and most of us here thought about death at least once in order to undergo LL surgery with such a conviction ..because among here there is the conviction that this surgery is tough but doable when in the real world , no one would be down to do that even if they got millions of dollars, and that gives an idea of what we are down too.
So you are not the only one suffering and being shorter then me or taller then someone else does not make your pain more intense ; its all relative to your reality and I live hand by hand with the most beautiful poeple in the world so the pressure I have its huge and the fact that everything it's potentially at my reach , but 2 inches sets me apart , cuts me inside everytime I think about it .
This does not apply to everyone tho!!!
I learned to live with it until I do this surgery and NO ONE will pay for it but me because my parents understood but never agreed so they will support me emotionally if I do it ,but they still try heavily to make me rethink meanwhile and will not sponsor me it in any way .
I don't come here to post how many nights I cried and went out for walks around the city at 5 am crying non stop or not sleeping for days in a row because we all went trough tough times ..very very very tough times and that is why we are here.
Your way of expressing your emotions and ur situations its obsessive,irrational,immature and disrespectful because I do understand you , but you are not the only one suffering and you compare height to diseases that kill people n destroy families ..and you compare that to some inches ;they would give you all the height and be 3 ft to only be healthy !
Express your emotions without being pathetic n irrational !
You trigger people because everytime we get on we find your crazy posts and its hard to ignore you because you are everywhere and you seems to not want to respect others that tell you to stop !
There is no persoal hate ,you are just very very annoying n immature !
In my eyes I really can't understand how your despairs and agnoies generated cuz 175 to me is really a decent height at least there will be no discriminations irl and nothing that can deter you from dating unless you wanna tap with so-called toxic girls who are killing for 180-185+ boys. No wonder you are irrigated towards my ventations but I understand how this kind of conflicts between an around 162cm(equivalent to having Ebola) and a 175cm male tend to be stirred up like for example a 175cm man is suffering from height dysphoria due to speical life experiences where he was faced with a height threshold but that is just 180cm which means even in the Netherlands/Balkan Peninsula nearly 30% of adult males can't meet up this kind of thresholds but when you are only around 162cm you will learn a lesson about what is actual so-called 'Rather die than living life' and even compared to Ebola and Osteocarcinoma they are just a breeze to standing at this kind of height.
All in all I can say if God gave you 2 'buttons' as your life:
1:150-158cm but with a healthy body.
2:188-190cm with Leukemia right after birth and hitting old ages with Alzheimer.
What is your choice gonna be?
I will not hesitate to choose the second button.
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What is option 5?
Paley maps out 5 lengthening options for you to achieve your goal.
As for Option 5, you can achieve 16cm in total but that is the most expensive Option cuz it needs you to do quadrilateral lengthening for 2 times one yr apart.
But in my perspective Option 5 is like chemical therapy to Leukemia patients.
As long as you gain 16cm through it, your 'Leukemia' is cured successfully.
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Paley maps out 5 lengthening options for you to achieve your goal.
As for Option 5, you can achieve 16cm in total but that is the most expensive Option cuz it needs you to do quadrilateral lengthening for 2 times one yr apart.
But in my perspective Option 5 is like chemical therapy to Leukemia patients.
As long as you gain 16cm through it, your 'Leukemia' is cured successfully.
"Sorcerer": new nickname "PET" as a cherished, needy, boy or more like pathetic?
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In my eyes I really can't understand how your despairs and agnoies generated cuz 175 to me is really a decent height at least there will be no discriminations irl and nothing that can deter you from dating unless you wanna tap with so-called toxic girls who are killing for 180-185+ boys. No wonder you are irrigated towards my ventations but I understand how this kind of conflicts between an around 162cm(equivalent to having Ebola) and a 175cm male tend to be stirred up like for example a 175cm man is suffering from height dysphoria due to speical life experiences where he was faced with a height threshold but that is just 180cm which means even in the Netherlands/Balkan Peninsula nearly 30% of adult males can't meet up this kind of thresholds but when you are only around 162cm you will learn a lesson about what is actual so-called 'Rather die than living life' and even compared to Ebola and Osteocarcinoma they are just a breeze to standing at this kind of height.
All in all I can say if God gave you 2 'buttons' as your life:
1:150-158cm but with a healthy body.
2:188-190cm with Leukemia right after birth and hitting old ages with Alzheimer.
What is your choice gonna be?
I will not hesitate to choose the second button.
"Ebola and osteocarcinoma are a breeze (...)" . There's neither LL nor any shrink that can cure you. You sound as if all of your head is a carcinoma. It's rare to found such an ignorant *ss hole pathetic as you.