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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: Lorii on March 04, 2018, 03:18:45 PM
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From all my reading it seems that several doctors have well deserved horrible reputations. The following list of doctors all have verified patients whose lives were completely ruined at their hands. Patients who were literally crippled, along with the doctors response and behavior being totally unethical.
1. Dr. Monegal-
2. Dr. Sarin-
3. Dr. Guichet-
4. Dr. Mahboubian-
5. Dr. Betz-
If I missed any please add to the list so future patients know to go to other doctors before they possibly ruin their life. No reason to take a chance on your legs with these doctors when there are much safer options.
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Finally someone that did well his own researches
The list is good,only a fool would go with one of those 5,I would add also Sringari and Shah,although they are less well known
Those 5 are currently the worst choices in the world for doing LL
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Typical 1 post account defaming doctors.
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Finally someone that did well his own researches
The list is good,only a fool would go with one of those 5,I would add also Sringari and Shah,although they are less well known
Those 5 are currently the worst choices in the world for doing LL
It's scary that some people will still go to these doctors after they have verified cases of completely ruining patients legs and lives. I don't understand how some people can be so desperate, it's not like there aren't tons of other good doctors available. In most cases the other good doctors available are also less expensive. It's impossible to understand that kind of reckless thinking.
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who is the verified patient of Mahboubian with so bad results?
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From all my reading it seems that several doctors have well deserved horrible reputations. The following list of doctors all have verified patients whose lives were completely ruined at their hands. Patients who were literally crippled, along with the doctors response and behavior being totally unethical.
1. Dr. Monegal-
2. Dr. Sarin-
3. Dr. Guichet-
4. Dr. Mahboubian-
5. Dr. Betz-
If I missed any please add to the list so future patients know to go to other doctors before they possibly ruin their life. No reason to take a chance on your legs with these doctors when there are much safer options.
Are they ordered from worst to best or randomly?
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That is why he is going to be expert consultant at he EU for bone lengthening.
Troll troll troll troll we all know who you are
Chantilly Virginia 😘
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That is why he is going to be expert consultant at he EU for bone lengthening.
Troll troll troll troll we all know who you are
Chantilly Virginia 😘
??? What do u mean?
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From all my reading it seems that several doctors have well deserved horrible reputations. The following list of doctors all have verified patients whose lives were completely ruined at their hands. Patients who were literally crippled, along with the doctors response and behavior being totally unethical.
1. Dr. Monegal-
2. Dr. Sarin-
3. Dr. Guichet-
4. Dr. Mahboubian-
5. Dr. Betz-
If I missed any please add to the list so future patients know to go to other doctors before they possibly ruin their life. No reason to take a chance on your legs with these doctors when there are much safer options.
Bs. The only real butchers from them are Guichet and Sarin.
All the other (except from Mahboubian whom I haven't seen a tragic case) had some bad cases but most of their patients write good things about them because they tried to help them in contrast to Guichet who only knows to ask for money and seem to don't know even the basics of LL (see huge lengthening rates that forces his patients to lengthen, heavy work out before LL and all these bs).
Of course, most of the doctors in India are butchers too (Sringari, Sarin, Shah, Dhawan etc) but I really can't understand why someone from the west would be so stupid to go to India to do LL. Some people maybe are willing to go to Somalio or Uganda too!
Anyway, these lists, especially from new posters, seem really weird and have no significance.
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Incredible !!
I don't know too much about the doctors on this "list", except for mine.
I'm a happy Mahboubian patient. Chose him due to location, competency, and my actual opinion of him over two consultations.
I'm at 7 weeks post-op and no issues so far thank God. I determined competency based on results of other past patients I was able to connect with directly off the forum.
I really hate to see anyone's name tarnished unnecessarily, that's not right. For you that is trolling under different Aliases with a couple of posts each, if you're ever really planning on doing CLL, you've heard it before, Karma is a B........... Don't be an A$$
Peace to all of you legitimate LLers and future ones. Diaries on this forum have been invaluable to me, thank you to all those who have contributed.
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Bodybuilder you've something against Guichet and I think you're right but I would say Monegal and Betz are also bad choices. They have had bad cases and the doctors had unethic behaviour and many patients said in private to me that they regretted getting LL with them. They have the same attitude than Ghichet, sweeping under the rug and threatenig so that they shut up and not ruin their businesses.
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Troll troll troll... throwing the same over and over again is a reason to be banned.
Anybody that reviews your posts will see you are obsessed and a paranoid. You are not even a patient and you call others freaks or fakes. What is the point? You misrespect doctors, patients so Your arguments are useless. Go and find a job
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Hey everyone here. I’m planing to do PRECICE surgery, from Turkey. Can somebody tell me here, where I can the most cheapest PRECICE method on this planet? :D
I want to add 3.5 inches femur.
I heard Dr. Serkan Gurcan (turkey) is doing PRECICE, for 40k euros.. have any one experienced?
Thank you
Yes, according to their website , he is doing precise,but I am note sure how much experience does he has. He is mostly doing LON.
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I want to add 3.5 inches femur.
The Precise can only go to about 3.15 inches.
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Posts by people who are obviously trolling should be eliminated.
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Ah, it was Quazar's alt account. Makes sense.
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Bs. The only real butchers from them are Guichet and Sarin.
All the other (except from Mahboubian whom I haven't seen a tragic case) had some bad cases but most of their patients write good things about them because they tried to help them in contrast to Guichet who only knows to ask for money and seem to don't know even the basics of LL (see huge lengthening rates that forces his patients to lengthen, heavy work out before LL and all these bs).
Of course, most of the doctors in India are butchers too (Sringari, Sarin, Shah, Dhawan etc) but I really can't understand why someone from the west would be so stupid to go to India to do LL. Some people maybe are willing to go to Somalio or Uganda too!
Anyway, these lists, especially from new posters, seem really weird and have no significance.
correct. I have basically ruled out Guichet not because of the bad case, but because of the heavy pre LL exercise - scientifically it may actually be harmful and cause non union.
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From all my reading it seems that several doctors have well deserved horrible reputations. The following list of doctors all have verified patients whose lives were completely ruined at their hands. Patients who were literally crippled, along with the doctors response and behavior being totally unethical.
1. Dr. Monegal-
2. Dr. Sarin-
3. Dr. Guichet-
4. Dr. Mahboubian-
5. Dr. Betz-
If I missed any please add to the list so future patients know to go to other doctors before they possibly ruin their life. No reason to take a chance on your legs with these doctors when there are much safer options.
can you plz advise whose lives were destroyed by Betz and Mahboubian? thanks
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Guichet definitely has to be on top of the list for his lack of ethics and compassion. I much rather go to a doctor who will show concern for my recovery and not just see me with dollar signs. You could also add doctors from third world countries like Vietnam. The people that go their will end up getting themselves hurt.
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From all my reading it seems that several doctors have well deserved horrible reputations. The following list of doctors all have verified patients whose lives were completely ruined at their hands. Patients who were literally crippled, along with the doctors response and behavior being totally unethical.
1. Dr. Monegal-
2. Dr. Sarin-
3. Dr. Guichet-
4. Dr. Mahboubian-
5. Dr. Betz-
If I missed any please add to the list so future patients know to go to other doctors before they possibly ruin their life. No reason to take a chance on your legs with these doctors when there are much safer options.
can you plz advise whose lives were destroyed by Betz and Mahboubian? thanks
Yes. I am also interested in knowing whose lives were destroyed by Dr. Mahboubian. Please also provide as much evidence as possible so we may substantiate your allegations. Only relevant evidence is admissible in determining the truthfulness of one's allegations. Please refrain yourself from employing fallacies and ad hominem attack. Allegations without evidence are just allegations. Nothing more, nothing less. Please note that these doctors have gone through many years of schooling, participated in residency program(s), and practiced many years in their area of expertise. I'm a professional and a business owner myself so I truly understand what these men have been through to be where they are today. Thank you very much for your anticipated cooperation.
Optimistic1
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From all my reading it seems that several doctors have well deserved horrible reputations. The following list of doctors all have verified patients whose lives were completely ruined at their hands. Patients who were literally crippled, along with the doctors response and behavior being totally unethical.
1. Dr. Monegal-
2. Dr. Sarin-
3. Dr. Guichet-
4. Dr. Mahboubian-
5. Dr. Betz-
If I missed any please add to the list so future patients know to go to other doctors before they possibly ruin their life. No reason to take a chance on your legs with these doctors when there are much safer options.
can you plz advise whose lives were destroyed by Betz and Mahboubian? thanks
Yes. I am also interested in knowing whose lives were destroyed by Dr. Mahboubian. Please also provide as much evidence as possible so we may substantiate your allegations. Only relevant evidence is admissible in determining the truthfulness of one's allegations. Please refrain yourself from employing fallacies and ad hominem attack. Allegations without evidence are just allegations. Nothing more, nothing less. Please note that these doctors have gone through many years of schooling, participated in residency program(s), and practiced many years in their area of expertise. I'm a professional and a business owner myself so I truly understand what these men have been through to be where they are today. Thank you very much for your anticipated cooperation.
Optimistic1
Go trolling somewhere else
The proof that those doctors have destroyed patient's lives is the forum itself,see the threads,diaries and witnesses made here by patients,do your researches,no one is gonna loose time to attache links if you are lazy or something worse
Never heard about Unicorn ? About Cooper,Musicmaker ? About Sarin's guesthouse ? About Betz's multiple threads here ?
Although I'm not aware of Mahboubian's bad cases,I'm getting very tired of all those new users with few posts upcoming here to defend this doctor so I will make a request to Admin to check the I.P. addresses
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The Dreamer,
Nobody is trolling here. Not all doctors can guarantee every case is successful. One or two bad diaries do not reflect the overall performance of a doctor. I had my tib/fib done by Dr. Mahboubian 3 weeks ago. I'm having my femurs done by him in a week. So far, he's a good doctor.
You should make a request to have admin look into those new Mahboubian's patients. I have spoken with LAGrowin a number of times over the phone. He's currently Dr. Mahboubian's patient and a nice guy. I have multiple exchanges with short2tall on here who appears to be sincere and legit.
This forum was created for the sole purpose of providing as much information as possible to potential LL from former and current LLs. May I ask where did you have your CLL done, by whom, and when?
I suggest you read ThangQueBietBay's diary on the old forum, MakeMeTaller. He's a patient of Dr. Mahboubian and he went into detail how Dr. Mahboubian went above and beyond to correct his legs from a failed surgery by another doctor. There's a number of diaries of Dr. Mahboubian's patients on there from many years ago.
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This thread should have been locked once we determined that it was started by a troll with multiple accounts.
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This thread should have been locked once we determined that it was started by a troll with multiple accounts.
100% !! Thank you Android and Optimistic1.
The Dreamer, Dragon, Lorri ...... Please don't be so obvious.
I've spoke by phone to Optimistic1, and at least 5 other Dr. M patients. All great guys, intelligent, hardworking professionals, all simply wanting to be taller with the right Doctor, and now giving back such helpful first hand accounts.
I have also met several current CLLers at Dr. Ms office who don't post on these forums, I assume there are many others.
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100% !! Thank you Android and Optimistic1.
The Dreamer, Dragon, Lorri ...... Please don't be so obvious.
I've spoke by phone to Optimistic1, and at least 5 other Dr. M patients. All great guys, intelligent, hardworking professionals, all simply wanting to be taller with the right Doctor, and now giving back such helpful first hand accounts.
I have also met several current CLLers at Dr. Ms office who don't post on these forums, I assume there are many others.
Friend will these patients be providing xray photos of their procedure with Mahobian?
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TheDreamer is a tool. He has zero credibility in what he says. Zero LL experience. Below zero LL knowledge.
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can you plz advise whose lives were destroyed by Betz and Mahboubian? thanks
Not sure about Mahboubian, but Betz may have killed MasterHy. One of the worst results I've read :(
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Friend will these patients be providing xray photos of their procedure with Mahobian?
Look a little closer, we've got x-rays (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5243.msg82781#msg82781) and more (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5171.msg82010#msg82010).
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Dr haci kutulu
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Look a little closer, we've got x-rays (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5243.msg82781#msg82781) and more (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5171.msg82010#msg82010).
Yes ive seen those already, I am referring to the 5 other M patients that La growing mentioned.
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Yes ive seen those already, I am referring to the 5 other M patients that La growing mentioned.
This was the point,Android don't be so naive
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Yes ive seen those already, I am referring to the 5 other M patients that La growing mentioned.
Gotcha, ask in their respective threads then.
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Eric R, Dreamer, or whoever you really are. Feel to take from these forums and diaries what you deem necessary and reliable. No need for us true LLers to prove anything to anyone. If these diaries seem bogus, move along.
There is Brb6FTtall, Optimistic1, short2tall, Fallen, etc ..... All Mahboubian patients who I've spoken to. All learning from one another and this forum. I sure as heck didn't ask for anyone to prove to me the veracity of their diary, nor do I think anyone would have gotten on the phone with me if I had.
I'll post a little something for you later tonight!
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This is probably photoshopped below, but anyway ...... Lol
2" reached today!
(http://i.imgur.com/TNBj9bN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OOFVcy3.jpg)
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Mahboubian is a good doc. he treats LL like a business and has poor marketing skills which might be offensive to some. all his pts seem to be recovering fine and his pts in past have recovered good too.
furthermore dr. paley also treats LL like a business.
mahboubian is a good cheaper option to paley/rozbruch if you can look past the marketing. he also seems to have great bedside manners.
all the new diaries seem legit too.
i have narrowed down my personal search to :
LL with dr mahboubian TSF frame tibias
or
LL with dr. rozbruch internal femurs
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Dr haci kultulu again and again.
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Eric R, Dreamer, or whoever you really are. Feel to take from these forums and diaries what you deem necessary and reliable. No need for us true LLers to prove anything to anyone.
You made me laugh so hard,are you really trying to question my profile ? Don't you know that multiple accounts are immediately banned through IP checking?
I bet that I'm more genuine than 90% of users here,those kind of lame attacks remind me cheap shots of spanish doctor trolls
And do you really think that sending a pic with the Precice device with a stupid paper written "LAGrowin" it is enough to make you a "true LLer" ?
However aren't you supposed to be doing your LL right now ? You don't seem so busy since you spend a lot of time defending this doctors in multiple threads that are not your own diary here on forum.Why dio you feel the impulsive need to come here in this thread ?
→For Mirinheight:in my opinion a good doctor doesn't feel the need to promote himself around the world,especially on cosmetic LL which is a controversial elective surgery.A good orthopedist should be already busy with ordinary cases of correction and reconstruction of limbs.However your legs,your life
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Why dio you feel the impulsive need to come here in this thread ?
Because you come in with comments that have no basis and seem to come straight from your tail. Your constant attacks and insinuations are annoying.
Lol , you make it too obvious buddy. Thank you too for the laugh.
Stupid paper ? It was for you buddy, Mr. Nonbeliever. You'd probably find a way to question a video too .. Pathetic. Don't talk nonsense unless you have proof...
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<sarcasm>LAGrowin, obviously you just shaved your legs and bought a used ERC to bamboozle us. You're supposed to not have any free time, because lengthening should take up 24/7 of your time.</sarcasm>
Dr. Mahboubian gets hate for his advertising, but come on, it's LA. There are a million billboards telling you to FREEZE THE FAT with COOLSCULPTING (https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=ePmvWpb7NKeJ0gLL2LGgBw&q=coolsculpting+billboard)! Get your hair back (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBaaYySVYAAI_ki.jpg)! Look better nαked (https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c0/00/fb/c000fb66d8342b10383c3c675c8bd54b--coolsculpting-labs.jpg)! SYPHILIS EXPLOSION! (https://www.google.com/search?q=syphilis+explosion+billboard&source=lnms&tbm=isch)
The secret to failure is trying to please everyone, and I think we can all agree that his marketing has left a lasting impression. Image is king here, and it works for plenty of people. And if that site bothers you, he does have a more traditional one (http://www.llila.com).
I don't see why an orthopedist can't specialize in cosmetics as well. They can be busy with correction, reconstruction, and cosmetic cases because there's a thing called a waitlist (and you better believe that emergencies are bumped ahead). CLL is costly, elective, relatively riskier, and still obscure; there won't be as many CLL patients compared to those that need surgery. It's not like he's the only orthopedist in LA either, Yelp alone shows almost 500 results.
But hey, that's just my two cents.
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There is no need to buy a Precice device,it could be the doctor himself attaching pics of the machine since he has it.
I respect you Android,you're an intelligent and impartial guy but avoid useless sarcasm with me
You know better than me that you have to pay attention in this forum(although it is a great source of information) because it is populated by promoters and I had the bad luck to come across in some of them
The costant increasing number of patients of this doctor and their aggressive attitude(like LAgrowing's one,notice that now I'm not writing in his diary but in an another thread) it is annoying and atleast suspicious.
Having said that,each one will get their own conclusions
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Sorry about the sarcasm, Dreamer.
I could logistically meet up with these people, but I dunno. I think it'd be weird since I'm not a prospective Dr. Mahboubian patient. Even if we took a photo we'd blur our faces and become random bodies open to speculation anyway.
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There is no need to buy a Precice device,it could be the doctor himself attaching pics of the machine since he has it.
I respect you Android,you're an intelligent and impartial guy but avoid useless sarcasm with me
You know better than me that you have to pay attention in this forum(although it is a great source of information) because it is populated by promoters and I had the bad luck to come across in some of them
The costant increasing number of patients of this doctor and their aggressive attitude(like LAgrowing's one,notice that now I'm not writing in his diary but in an another thread) it is annoying and atleast suspicious.
Having said that,each one will get their own conclusions
I bought the ERC on eBay just for you Dreamer! You're a real tool man.
Aggressive attitude ? Really? Do you realize that you tarnish people's reputations without basis? And that you came into my diary insinuating what wasn't, and you don't stop, it's every opportunity you get. You make useful information for future LLers questionable. Why?!
A total troll! Don't PM me from new user accounts either man..... You're too obvious.
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Sorry about the sarcasm, Dreamer.
I could logistically meet up with these people, but I dunno. I think it'd be weird since I'm not a prospective Dr. Mahboubian patient. Even if we took a photo we'd blur our faces and become random bodies open to speculation anyway.
That sounds like a huge hurdle/chore for you, but if it theoretically happened, it'd be good. The Dreamer is most likely that worried because of the past Sarin stories.
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Sorry about the sarcasm, Dreamer.
I could logistically meet up with these people, but I dunno. I think it'd be weird since I'm not a prospective Dr. Mahboubian patient. Even if we took a photo we'd blur our faces and become random bodies open to speculation anyway.
Hi Android, if you're ever in LA and want to have a cup of coffee to chat about my surgery and experience, let me know. I'd be happy to. The fact that you're not a Dr. M patient doesn't matter to me. I'm here to share my experience and little bit of knowledge gained, that's all.
All the best.
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Hi Android, if you're ever in LA and want to have a cup of coffee to chat about my surgery and experience, let me know. I'd be happy to. The fact that you're not a Dr. M patient doesn't matter to me. I'm here to share my experience and little bit of knowledge gained, that's all.
All the best.
You know, it's a rare opportunity, so let's. I'll message you.
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To The Dreamer:
Why would you add Sringari and Shah to the horrible MD list? I was considering both of them.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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To The Dreamer:
Why would you add Sringari and Shah to the horrible MD list? I was considering both of them.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Bad case from Sringari that I know of (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3454). Who even knows how Bigfaker is doing at this point.
I'd really try to avoid India and all countries outside of North America, Europe and East Asia (specifically South Korea & Japan) at all costs. There could be exceptions, but this is a good rule. I also don't feel comfortable recommending any doctor but Paley for something as extreme as CLL. However, regarding India, Parihar seems to be one with the lowest amount of bad incidents and the more respected LL surgeon in India. Make of that what you will.