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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Doctors => Topic started by: Muse on March 02, 2014, 07:39:58 AM
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General Information about Limb Lengthening Surgery with Dr Bagirov of Clinicanomer1 , based in Moscow Russia.
Note: please refer to our disclaimer about The Doctors Directory http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0
Pricing
6000-6500 Euro price for surgery and 5-6 days hospital stay. Additional stay at the hospital is around 80 euros per day.
External Ilizarov Method (Translated From Russian Text)
In our clinic we perform surgery to lengthen the legs on the basis of low-traumatic techniques using improved layouts Ilizarov fixator. The success of the operation and guarantee its security mainly depends on the quality of preoperative examination. Using computed tomography identifies all the dimensional characteristics of the legs: the length of each leg of each segment, their proportions down to the millimeter, and the state of the hip, knee and ankle joints. The operation is that, after installing the Ilizarov fixator shin, at different levels intersect tibia and fibula. Then with the help of external structures (sets), the patient themselves (with the help of simple devices) stretches shin bone at the intersection. In this growing callus fills widening gap cuts, lengthening bones.
The next day after surgery, the patient gets up and walks alone through "walkers." It is as follows: 5-6 days after start stretching of tissue bone (distraction) dosed by twisting the screws in the device in a certain rhythm and pace, calculated individually for each patient using a special computer program. Temp distraction (stretching) used for extending the legs is 0.5 - 1 mm per day and is a two-or four reception 1/4 turn nuts per day, respectively.
In the elongation zone formed regenerate bone, which increases the length of time during distraction. Later, after the extension period (distraction), it takes time to complete the process of ossification (ossification) of the newly formed regenerate.
Terms of use of external fixation devices depend on the extension of the lower extremities (the larger the value the longer the extension fixation apparatus), and in addition to the individual characteristics of the patient (sex, age, presence of chronic diseases) and the average of 6 to 12 months.
Very important in this process is itself an external fixator. There are different types and variations of an external fixator, which is carried out by means of lengthening, but almost all of them have a significant disadvantage large dimensions that cause discomfort when wearing limit the movement of the joints. We solved this problem by creating a compact, space-saving arrangement of the Ilizarov fixator clamps with rigid structure capable of withstanding all loads for limb lengthening and does not restrict movement in the adjacent joints and wearing. The entire period of the extension, a thorough inspection by a doctor using X-ray and computed tomography studies. After removal of structures (spokes and rods) are small marks on the skin, but over time they become lighter and almost indistinguishable.
Patient performed independently under the supervision of a physician periodic 1-2 times a month. The number of days required to achieve the chosen patient is calculated as follows: elongation (elongation at 3 cm distraction require 30 days - given rate of 1 mm per day, etc., sometimes stretched over time, the amount is from 0.5 to 1 mm).
Contact Info
Dr Bagirov (Moscow) Clinicanomer1
Website: http://www.clinicanomer1.ru/services/orthopedy/height-increase/
Email: drbagirov.group@gmail.com
Phone: 8 (495) 641-06-06
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very good information Dameon.
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do they do lon?
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good job Dameon :)
You should add to the information that Dr. Bagirov does the surgery in Baku, Azerbadjan as well, although he is only present there for a short period every month.
Also there are two other email adresses one can use to reach this clinic:
Dr Bagirovs personal Email:
bagirov@hotbox.ru
Assistant Anna who arranges the meeting and consultation, as well as invitation letters for foreign patients etc, she is the easiest to reach, usually responds very fast:
mn_ryabova@clinicanomer1.ru
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Hello! I know about this wonderful clinic number 1, the Doctor Bagirov, Fakhri Akifoviche- are the best doctors and professionals. Every month, they do huge amount of operations elongation, curvature correction and other operations to help live.
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What languages do the doctor speak besides Russian?
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He double the price :(
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Is this true? When did you ask and what is the exact price now?
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yes I asked a member he told me that the price now is 13000
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Damn the original post says 6500 and that was in March. Was that post inaccurate or did it just go up?
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What ? Less than a month ago he told me 6500 $
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yes I asked a member he told me that the price now is 13000
maybe Barinov? Don't confuse Barinov with Bagirov, please check again
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wow..this make me feel like i dodged a bullet since i had the surgery in march for 6450 euros..
I wonder if the price increase is due to a sudden increase of foreign patients..maybe because of this site spreading the info. If there is more demand the doctor probably realizes that he can increase the price. I think the price used to be 6000 dollars a few years ago so this isnt the first time he has done it.
With the new price i think the volgograd clinic seems like a much better option now, the only real advantage that i can think of with Bagirov now is the smaller frames.
if this info came from the clinic that is, if its just a member of this board then it might probably be a confusion of doctors as usual.
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I just emailed them. As soon as they reply i will post here.
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I doubt they doubled the price. .. probably got bagirov confused with barinov
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sorry i confused barinov with bagirov
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the only reason i'm considering this doctor is because of his price,if i had the money in no way i'd go with a russian doctor, dr lee would probably be my choice
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sorry i confused barinov with bagirov
so you were not talking abour bagirov oh thank GOD
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Hi there, I am new to this forum. I was really interested in Dr. Bagirov's technique, I have tried emailing his group (drbagirov.group at gmail.com) and Anna (mn_ryabova at clinicanomer1.ru), but I haven't heard back (it's been a week). Do any of you guys know of any other method to get in touch with him?
Also, I was wondering if he offers multiple cuts to hasten the process? Thanks for the replies and I apologize if this was not the correct place to post this!
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Ok good. I was about to seriously reconsider him. I also emailed and callee but it is hard to get ahold of them.
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Yes I have had problems contacting either Dr Bagirov or Anna. At first Anna replied twice to my emails
( 3 months ago), then suddenly stopped responding after I sent her
a copy of my passport 2 months ago ?.
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Just recieved email. Price is 6500
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Yes I have had problems contacting either Dr Bagirov or Anna. At first Anna replied twice to my emails
( 3 months ago), then suddenly stopped responding after I sent her
a copy of my passport 2 months ago ?.
Relly hope there is no discrimination where are you from ?
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Yes I have had problems contacting either Dr Bagirov or Anna. At first Anna replied twice to my emails
( 3 months ago), then suddenly stopped responding after I sent her
a copy of my passport 2 months ago ?.
Seems awfully suspicious, what ethnicity are you if I may ask? Its either one hell of a coincidence that she stopped responding after you sent your passport or they're genuinely really busy.
The after care with Dr Bagirov seems to be crap or next to non-existent from what I've been reading in the few diaries on here, compared to Dr Barinov whose after care with RGKEY seemed good, atleast he's actually around.
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aftercare with bagirov does not exist.... you will be in contact with his assistant, not bagirov
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Do you regret going with him ?
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Hi Shorty etc,
I am from Australia, now it is several months and after several emails queries form me I still have not heard from Anna.
In the last few weeks since MH17 things have not been great b/w Australian and Russian Governments, but I dont think this is the reason I have been cut off.
I did attempt to make some small changes (~ one month) to my proposed arrival date in Russia, and maybe this annoyed Anna?.
BTW I am also in my mid/late forties (this was disclosed from the very beginning though).
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Hi Shorty etc,
I am from Australia, now it is several months and after several emails queries form me I still have not heard from Anna.
In the last few weeks since MH17 things have not been great b/w Australian and Russian Governments, but I dont think this is the reason I have been cut off.
I did attempt to make some small changes (~ one month) to my proposed arrival date in Russia, and maybe this annoyed Anna?.
BTW I am also in my mid/late forties (this was disclosed from the very beginning though).
Aimhigh, i dont think it is anything personal since i know about some old forum posters who Pm:ed me and told me that they didnt get a response, She might be very busy, im not sure. Have you tried the other email adresses?
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Hello! I know about this wonderful clinic number 1, the Doctor Bagirov, Fakhri Akifoviche- are the best doctors and professionals. Every month, they do huge amount of operations elongation, curvature correction and other operations to help live.
looks like a spam publicity to this clinic
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price seems increased to 7500 euros?
that would include examinations..
or was it all along 7500 euros? :(
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we kinda agreed the price at 6000 =.=
:(:( that is why im so upset.... im flying in a few days' time
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we kinda agreed the price at 6000 =.=
:(:( that is why im so upset.... im flying in a few days' time
Did they sponsor you on a medical visa?
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no they DO NOT! :(
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It would be worth if it you could find cheap accommodation away from the hospital for the lengthening.
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It would be worth if it you could find cheap accommodation away from the hospital for the lengthening.
yeah quite a few hostels are quite affordable, about 11 usd a night.
problem is, the price increased to 7500 euros inclusive of exams, excluding medicines.
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The only thing I don't like is it can take up to a year to finish. The most Id want to do this for is 6 months!
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The only thing I don't like is it can take up to a year to finish. The most Id want to do this for is 6 months!
after how long can we walk ourselves without crutches?
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after how long can we walk ourselves without crutches?
With exfix on your legs you should be able to walk without crutches after 5-6 months, without exfix you need around 10 months (if you lengthen around 6cm).
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thanks! so thats about a year to get rid of the ext fixators and be off crutches :(
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Hmmmm. I'd only consider this if I could wear the ex fix over my pants for the remainder 4-5 months. And I could go to an American doctor to remove them.
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Can patients still lengthen at home?
I'm planning on doing LL next year and I can't decide betwen Bagirov or Naveen Talwar because of the price. I believe those are the cheapest or are there any other cheaper?
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Hello everyone, because of his price Dr.Bagirov is an affordable choice for me but is it a good choice ? Does he still offer LL ?
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I like Russian doctors, but I don't know this one very well. Would you recommend him?
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bagirov is an ok surgeon... though he only does 1 leg... his assistant does the other
and theres no aftercare at all
the frames are also too small
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Does this doctor do LON or LATN?
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no
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When I was there they offered me two methods
1.staying in ex fixator for 12-15 month.
2.staying in ex fixator for 4-5 month then you have a metal rod inside for 2-3 years inside.
The price between these two are different.
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General Information about Limb Lengthening Surgery with Dr Bagirov of Clinicanomer1 , based in Moscow Russia.
Note: please refer to our disclaimer about The Doctors Directory http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0 (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0)
Pricing
9500-10000 Dollars price for surgery& 5-6 days hospital stay & follow up & removal of Ex.Fix . Additional stay at the hospital is around 80 Dollar per day.
External Ilizarov Method (Translated From Russian Text)
In our clinic we perform surgery to lengthen the legs on the basis of low-traumatic techniques using improved layouts Ilizarov fixator. The success of the operation and guarantee its security mainly depends on the quality of preoperative examination. Using computed tomography identifies all the dimensional characteristics of the legs: the length of each leg , each segment, their proportions, and the state of the hip, knee and ankle joints for further calculation of rotational deformities . The operation is that, installing the Ilizarov Ex.fix then at different levels intersect tibia and fibula. Then with the help of external structures (sets), the patient themselves (with the help of simple devices) stretches shin bone at the site of tibial osteotomy (distraction phase). growing callus fills widening gap (consolidation phase).
The next day after surgery, the patient gets up and walks alone through "walkers". 5-6 days after operation the patient start stretching of bone (distraction) dosed by twisting the nuts in the device in a certain rhythm and rate, calculated individually for each patient using a special computer program. range of distraction (stretching) used for extending the legs is 0.5 - 1 mm per day.
In the elongation zone formed regenerate bone, which is already increased in the length during the time of distraction. Later, after the extension period (distraction), it takes time to complete the process of ossification ( consolidation) of the newly formed regenerate.
Time of use of external fixation device depend on the amount of lengthening which is needed of the lower extremities (the larger the value the longer the time in fixation apparatus), it depends also on the method which is used for lengthening (LON - LATU )and in addition there are many individual characteristics of the patient (sxx, age, presence of chronic diseases) and the average is from 6 to 12 months.
Very important in this process is itself an external fixator. There are different types and variations of an external fixator, which is carried out by means of lengthening, but almost all of them have a significant disadvantage large dimensions that cause discomfort when wearing clothes as well as limitation of the movement of the adjacent joints. We solved this problem by creating a compact, space-saving arrangement of the Ilizarov fixator clamps with rigid structure capable of withstanding all loads and all weights for limb lengthening and does not restrict movement in the adjacent joints and does not cause any discomfort on wearing clothes . The entire period of the extension and follow up , a thorough inspection by a doctor using X-ray and computed tomography studies. After removal of structures (spokes and rods) are small marks on the skin, but over time they become lighter and almost indistinguishable.
Patient performed independently under the supervision of a physician periodic 1-2 times a month. The number of days required to achieve the chosen patient is calculated as follows: elongation (elongation at 3 cm distraction require 30 days - given rate of 1 mm per day, etc., sometimes stretched over time, the amount is from 0.5 to 1 mm).
Contact Info
Dr Bagirov (Moscow) Clinicanomer1 (Email: drbagirov.group@gmail.com) ([/size]Phone: 8 (495) 641-06-06)
[/size]Dr Laymouna ( Moscow ) The Assistant Ortho-surgeon (consultant) (( Dr. Laymouna speaks English - Russian - Arabic ) and he will follow up all the patients depends on their languages . (Email : khaledlaymouna@gmail.com Tel: 007 916 725 7500 )[/u][/b]
Website of the clinics : http://www.clinicanomer1.ru/services/orthopedy/height-increase/ (http://www.clinicanomer1.ru/services/orthopedy/height-increase/)
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ladies and gentelmen !!
I am Dr.Laymouna the Assistant surgeon ( orthopaedic consultant ) of Dr Bagirov and i will be glad to answer all your questions and give explanations about our work field on limb lengthening and correction of limb deformities and we have to notice that we can discuss all your question and keep our follow up after operations on each of these languages ( English - Russian - Arabic ) .
contact informations
Dr Bagirov (Moscow) Clinicanomer1 (Email: bagirov-ab@yandex.ru) (Phone: +7 985 210 10 20 )
Dr Laymouna ( Moscow ) The Assistant Ortho-surgeon (Ortho-consultant) (( Dr. Laymouna speaks English - Russian - Arabic ) and he will follow up all the patients depends on their languages . (Email : khaledlaymouna@gmail.com Tel: +7 916 725 7500 )
Website of the clinics : http://www.clinicanomer1.ru/services/orthopedy/height-increase/
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Bagirov is a good dr
The only issue is the aftercare. He might have fixed that though. I would recommend this facility though for the surgery. It's very clean, and Bagirov is very very very good
The hospital itself is very very clean. The Operating room is just as you'd see in New York. The Russians are good at this surgery
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Of course, Russia is the where the external method was created.
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thank you for your nice words, it is a fact that Russians are good at this operation and Dr Bagirov one of the pioneers at this field and it is my pleasure to answer all your questions and give you all explanations about our work field on limb lengthening and deformity correction .
Dr Laymouna
Khaledlaymouna@gmail.com
Doctor_2010@hotmail.co.uk
+7 916 725 7500 ( Moscow )
Orthopedic & Traumatology Specialist
I.M. Sechenov First Moscow State Medical University
Higher educational institution in Moscow, Russia
Central Institute of Traumatology and Orthopedics, CITO
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thank you for your nice words, it is a fact that Russians are good at this operation and Dr Bagirov one of the pioneers at this field and it is my pleasure to answer all your questions and give you all explanations about our work field on limb lengthening and deformity correction .
Dr Laymouna
Khaledlaymouna@gmail.com
Doctor_2010@hotmail.co.uk
+7 916 725 7500 ( Moscow )
Orthopedic & Traumatology Specialist
I.M. Sechenov First Moscow State Medical University
Higher educational institution in Moscow, Russia
Central Institute of Traumatology and Orthopedics, CITO
Dr, does dr Bagirov offers internal only nails in femurs or he uses only external or combined methods (lon and latn).
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we offer external circular fixation but with some modifications which make our apparatus smaller, more stable and comfortable and we offer also LON in order to shorten the duration of external fixation.
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we offer external circular fixation but with some modifications which make our apparatus smaller, more stable and comfortable and we offer also LON in order to shorten the duration of external fixation.
And what is the price for external only and external-lon on femurs?
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I hope nobody assumes that they can pick any doctor in Russia and think that they will be in the hands of a capable surgeon simply by virtue of him being Russian.
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of course every one has to choose his surgeon carefully and to be sure that he has the experience at that field, please look the links below ;
1-we offer external circular fixation only (without intramedullary nail) but with some modifications which make our apparatus smaller, more stable and comfortable. the price is 8000 dollars
2- we offer also LON ( external fixator + nail ) in order to shorten the duration of external fixation. The price 10000 dollars
The price include
1- surgery
2- 5-6 days hospital stay
3- follow up in our clinics (visits ) and outside through all possible and comfortable ways for patients like ( Skype, Viber, what's app, Facebook, messenger & imo )
4-removal of Ex.Fix .
https://youtu.be/B3ClejQqy1Y
https://youtu.be/_gJRnCOD668
https://youtu.be/SOEY5OvLB34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mse4mwm9qjkhttps://youtu.be/dBvPwpjWcF8
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of course every one has to choose his surgeon carefully and to be sure that he has the experience at that field, please look the links below ;
1-we offer external circular fixation only (without intramedullary nail) but with some modifications which make our apparatus smaller, more stable and comfortable. the price is 8000 dollars
2- we offer also LON ( external fixator + nail ) in order to shorten the duration of external fixation. The price 10000 dollars
The price include
1- surgery
2- 5-6 days hospital stay
3- follow up in our clinics (visits ) and outside through all possible and comfortable ways for patients like ( Skype, Viber, what's app, Facebook, messenger & imo )
4-removal of Ex.Fix .
https://youtu.be/B3ClejQqy1Y
https://youtu.be/_gJRnCOD668
https://youtu.be/SOEY5OvLB34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mse4mwm9qjkhttps://youtu.be/dBvPwpjWcF8
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This got me interested. How much can you gain with this doc in the tibia in cms and whats the story with the femur surgery?
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Hi,
8000 € for bilateral?
Is it possible to do the visit by skype?
Thank you
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Soo is anyone one going to Bagirov anytime soon?
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Im strongly considering going early 2019
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I'm doing this now if anyone has questions. 1 month in.
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I'm doing this now if anyone has questions. 1 month in.
Hey
Are you staying in the guesthouse. How is there? Do you get bored often
Is the Doctor visiting daily? Do you like the way he has dealt with things so far.
And finally what was the cost you paid
I am interested in travelling there myself ..
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I'm doing home care in Baku, Azerbaijan and there is no clinic. I mainly deal with a different doctor as Dr. Bagirov only comes once every month to Baku, he spends most of his time in Moscow, Russia. I believe there is a clinic in Moscow with expats.
Bored often, trying to to PT and stay moving but externals are a major pain in the ass. Also lining up my painkillers to plan out walking outside. Some/most days I feel useless, even the toilet is a struggle without painkillers. Whether my ankles are on fire or my pin points feel like I'm being stabbed, it will test your pain threshold, painkillers only carry you so far.
Doctor will never visit, unless I go to his hospital to see him. So far I have not been fully satisfied and you can check my diary, looking at the amount of post care other patients receive in their diaries. The hospital is crammed, disorganized, you won't get much time to speak to the doctor. I almost know the response from my doctor before asking on whatsapp. If I'm in pain, he'll say it's normal so just walk it off, or if it's too much pain take a break. Infections, unless my head is on fire I'm fine. PT... very little, I've obtained my PT from this forum. As of this moment I am 2-3 weeks behind lengthening schedule, may be attributed to my weak pain threshold or not. Also I've obtain meds that aren't normally available in the country that have really helped with pain, you're only prescribed ibuprofen and tramadol from the hospital for pain, but it was delaying me huge chunks of time and I had to search for an alternative, wasn't lengthening fast enough. Those have very little effect on the nerve pain.
It gets better with time, I think. Doc has checked my x rays and they're seemingly aligned so it's okay. Just wish they offered better answers and post care. You will definitely need a nurse/helper/assistant if you do home care. But like you're thinking, clinics are probably the better option if you can afford it.
The positive is that I paid a very good rate, which isn't offered publicly as I'm an Azerbaijan resident, so I cannot discuss it here. I believe it's close to what Dr. Solomin offers in Peterburg, but with a small discount.
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I haven’t been able to contact them at all. Email = no reply. Phone number is just a recording of someone coughing that plays over.
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Question, how come it's so cheap? All other doctors take at least 25000 euro..
Is that something to be aware of? Might be suspicious? If there are safe options for so cheap how come people still go to expensive doctors?