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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: Random Hero on October 09, 2016, 01:12:46 PM
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Hi all,
Have been reading the forums for a while now but only just made an account as I'm loving the content especially the diaries people have devoted so much time to writing.
I have always been upset about my height as it makes me feel inferior and no matter how successful I become my height will always be the thing people remember about me, it's as if I need to be more handsome, more charming and more charismatic than someone taller than me just to be even and it drives me crazy!
It's made dating difficult because even if that person doesn't think of height as a meaningful attribute (which is rare) the thoughts in my head about being inferior are always there and how can I expect someone to love me if I don't love myself?
The solution to this problem is not therapy; therapy doesn't stop girls saying if you were just a bit taller you would be perfect or guys squaring up to you trying to intimidate you because they think short equates to weak.
The solution is most definitely leg lengthening however as I'm sure most of you are aware it is prohibitively expensive allowing only the most fortunate to undergo the surgery.
I have built up a stock portfolio currently valued at £25,000 and with an estimated gain of 20% per annum and investing £12,000 extra per annum I will be a millionaire on my 40th birthday....
my question is if you are constantly suffering mentally due to height neurosis at 25 would you spend all the money you saved (and take out £25,000 loan) to cure your mental illness at the cost of not becoming a millionaire?
I'm leaning towards spending everything and taking a loan out to cure myself of this illness so I can lead a normal, happy life.
I've already wasted two years of what should be the best years of my life being depressed. I honestly don't think I can take another year; I want to find someone to create memories with and love not sat in my room at the weekend crying because of how much this dictates my life and stops me from going out and meeting new people.
What are others thoughts? what would you do in my situation?
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Hi all,
Have been reading the forums for a while now but only just made an account as I'm loving the content especially the diaries people have devoted so much time to writing.
I have always been upset about my height as it makes me feel inferior and no matter how successful I become my height will always be the thing people remember about me, it's as if I need to be more handsome, more charming and more charismatic than someone taller than me just to be even and it drives me crazy!
It's made dating difficult because even if that person doesn't think of height as a meaningful attribute (which is rare) the thoughts in my head about being inferior are always there and how can I expect someone to love me if I don't love myself?
The solution to this problem is not therapy; therapy doesn't stop girls saying if you were just a bit taller you would be perfect or guys squaring up to you trying to intimidate you because they think short equates to weak.
The solution is most definitely leg lengthening however as I'm sure most of you are aware it is prohibitively expensive allowing only the most fortunate to undergo the surgery.
I have built up a stock portfolio currently valued at £25,000 and with an estimated gain of 20% per annum and investing £12,000 extra per annum I will be a millionaire on my 40th birthday....
my question is if you are constantly suffering mentally due to height neurosis at 25 would you spend all the money you saved (and take out £25,000 loan) at the cost of not becoming a millionaire?
I'm leaning towards spending everything and taking a loan out to cure myself of this illness so I can lead a normal, happy life but what are others thoughts? what would you do in my situation?
Hi there, I would take the million dollars of course. But the thing is you can't guarantee that you can make 20%. If you could then you could trade with borrowed money, and still do your surgery.
Also as someone who trades, when you're trading 10k, you're going to act differently than when you're trading 100k, you will take your profits and losses much sooner, potentially ruining your system.
Anyways, feel free to pm. I love talking stocks and am interested in your method.
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Go for it.
You're young. Doing it at 40 year old would prevent you from living your next 15 years happily. You can book a cheap surgeon if you've got time and will anyway, and not to spend as much as 25 000 £.
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£25,000 is good enough to have externals in India or China and gain 6cms. You will also lose a lot of time though.
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I would sell my portfolio and do the surgery.
If height is the only thing holding you back, do the surgery.
Don't live a life of "what if"s.
Remember: In the end, we regret the most the things we didn't do
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Have you really actually tried to see a shrink? I'm asking because a lot of what you're saying seems to boil down to just basic narcissism. Sorry to say, but even if you get LL and get to 5'11 your mindset will still hold you back. There's always someone who's better than you: deal with it (the inverse can be said too..)
I feel like you're oversimplified a lot about life. Unless you might live in the Netherlands or a secret town in which everyone is 6+, the amount of crap you think you're getting from you height should all be in your head. I don't know your life story (and frankly don't care), so I'm not going to over speculate to much, but the comment "no matter how successful I become my height will always be the thing people remember about me"
screams disillusion.
For your last paragraph: go out there already. Don't waste away your time hold up in some hole thinking you'll never find love or compassion because of height. Try that before you go for the last resort of LL.
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height or wealth?
Height. Since wealth can be accumulated while it's better to do LL as young as possible.
I must admit that at first I thought you were really short.... Than I saw you are 5'8. You are "only" 2 inches below average height in the vast majority of the western world... I doubt anyone see you as short or even thinks about your height.. If you were short (like 5'4 and below) believe me that people would have talked about that behind you back...
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"no matter how successful I become my height will always be the thing people remember about me"
I agree with Alu, this statement is just eh...
I think people will remember your character and behaviour. If you pass this gate then people care about your looks.
Easy example: in my school there was a 6'2 guy, well built etc but no girl wanted to date him beacuse he was an absolute imbecile.
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Of course wealth is more important (socially, sexually, and position) many billionaires are short 5'1-5'3 and have the best social, dominant and sexual skills. look at Justin bieber he's handsome but not tall probably 171 but his 300$ million made him something when he was nothing. carlos salim and many many, are very short and tall people beg for them. so wealth is more important of course.
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Its a tough question
Height neurosis or short stature is beyond horrible it truly is and i sympathise i can relate to your story and have a lot of sympathy. I suffered the exact same things, women would say 'yeah your handsome, good looking etc but youre too short' etc etc etc. its as frustrating as hell! You feel bitter and angry and it eventually consumes your life.
If you want the surgery done id either do it now or not at all. You must realise though that this surgery comes at costs not just money wise it would be great if that was all it was but it isnt. At 5-8 id advise you to do 5cms on tibias or something similar on femurs, there are pros and cons to both that you must be aware of. Doing tibias you will eventually lose dorsiflexion at a certain point, you may very well be able to regain some but not much or anynat all if you overlengthen. Dorsiflexion is critical for a number of movements for the body and without it walking will become very awkward. Running properly will be a thing of the past. A number of gym movements will become very difficult if not impossible to do safely. If you are into athletic things think very hard about this surgery. If you are an individual who is like the rest of the population who gets up works, goes hime watches soaps, then goes to bed and does this year after year then fine go get it as the difference to your life is minimal.
Its a horrible thing height neurosis or just being short in general but to cure one thing you are potentially swapping one problem with another. There are people on these boards who have never done the surgery who are obviously under the impression that you gain 2-3" then you go home do some stretches let the bone consolidate and you then carry on with life as normal, this isnt the case.
The problem with these boards is any questions regardingthe issues caused by this surgery are generally not answered or ignored. There are too many folk on here that obsess over nonsense like proportions when there is far bigger things to worry about, like making sure you dont overlengthen and screw yourself up. You wont guve a fk about your arms being 1" too short for your body if you cant walk properly again.
If you had cash like a million there would be plenty of women who would be keen on you, theres little difference between a woman who goes for a guy whos rich or one who goes for one who is tall simply because they are either rich or tall. Both will fail as money can only buy so much happiness but someone who is tall will eventually be surplus to requirements as well as the height thing will grow old similar to the material posessions they bought with your money either way both types of women are not the types you want.
I dont get women whongo for for guys simply because they are tall, its the equivalent of guys going with women because they have big tits but literally nothing else going for them
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Hi there, I would take the million dollars of course. But the thing is you can't guarantee that you can make 20%. If you could then you could trade with borrowed money, and still do your surgery.
No I definitely can't guarantee a 20% return per annum otherwise I'd be in canary warf managing my own hedge fund! haha
I've just struck lucky this year capitalizing on oil tanking and the post brexit rally on banking stocks, after two more years of solid performance I'll start gearing my account; I just want to be sure I can consistently win before gambling someone else's money that will have to be paid back whether I win or lose.
Also as someone who trades, when you're trading 10k, you're going to act differently than when you're trading 100k, you will take your profits and losses much sooner, potentially ruining your system.
haha your right I can't even get my head round having holdings worth ~£200,000 each; technically the strategy shouldn't change but I can imagine if I lost 10% on a £200,000 holding I'd lose my s***t and panic sell whereas I can accept that loss on a small account.
I'm just going to have to forget about those extra zero's...easier said than done though!
Anyways, feel free to pm. I love talking stocks and am interested in your method.
Will do cheers; I use technical analysis to swing trade (I'm a big Thomas Bulkowski fan if you've heard of him).
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£25,000 is good enough to have externals in India or China and gain 6cms. You will also lose a lot of time though.
Hi Penguinn really enjoyed reading your diary!
I would feel much safer having the surgery carried out in my home country by Dr. Guichet also having my aunt who is a nurse funnily enough lives in London so I can stay with her whilst undergoing my post op physio and lengthening also having my father able to care for me in the lengthening stage is a huge benefit I want to use to my advantage.
My goal is 80mm (~3") and I want to be back at work in 8-10 weeks, if that entails using crutches at work so be it.
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Hi Penguinn really enjoyed reading your diary!
I would feel much safer having the surgery carried out in my home country by Dr. Guichet also having my aunt who is a nurse funnily enough lives in London so I can stay with her whilst undergoing my post op physio and lengthening also having my father able to care for me in the lengthening stage is a huge benefit I want to use to my advantage.
My goal is 80mm (~3") and I want to be back at work in 8-10 weeks, if that entails using crutches at work so be it.
80 mm is 3.25" inches. you need more time then. 7 cm you can gain it in two months with Guichet, then you can go back immediately but its preferable to stay an extra week there so lets say 65 days for 7 cm. good luck
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Have you really actually tried to see a shrink? I'm asking because a lot of what you're saying seems to boil down to just basic narcissism. Sorry to say, but even if you get LL and get to 5'11 your mindset will still hold you back. There's always someone who's better than you: deal with it (the inverse can be said too..)
I've just hired one, only on my fourth session now but I have explained the procedure and my feelings to which she agreed that surgery could be a very real solution however when talking to a close friend about my shrink's acceptance of the idea he said she was irresponsible.
I admit have self image problems due to a previous relationship ending however I am not seeking gratification from others I'm looking for acceptance with myself.
I'm going to sound like a serial plastic surgery fiend now but I've already had a septoplasty/rhinoplasty and I can now look in the mirror and feel happy about my face when I previously could not look at myself...I imagine the same will be true about my height it's the only thing I'd change about myself.
I understand there is always a bigger fish but it's not about being the best, 5"11 would put me in the 75th percentile as opposed to my current height of 5"8 which is the 25th percentile which I see as a huge difference and I couldn't ask for anymore than that.
I feel like you're oversimplified a lot about life. Unless you might live in the Netherlands or a secret town in which everyone is 6+, the amount of crap you think you're getting from you height should all be in your head. I don't know your life story (and frankly don't care), so I'm not going to over speculate to much, but the comment "no matter how successful I become my height will always be the thing people remember about me"
screams disillusion.
No secret giant town haha I live in the UK; I'm not openly discriminated against but I will be overlooked for someone with similar looks etc who is taller; this surgery will statistically mean that this would only occur 25% of the time as opposed to 75% of the time going off the percentile's I mentioned earlier.
For your last paragraph: go out there already. Don't waste away your time hold up in some hole thinking you'll never find love or compassion because of height. Try that before you go for the last resort of LL.
I'm trying; I know I'll get there eventually and hopefully my shrink can help speed up the process a little :)
Means a lot that you would take your time to express your opinion and give your advise to a complete stranger so thank you!
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I'm going to sound like a serial plastic surgery fiend now but I've already had a septoplasty/rhinoplasty
For this you should be already disqualified from any LL related surgery.
I've just hired one, only on my fourth session now but I have explained the procedure and my feelings to which she agreed that surgery could be a very real solution however when talking to a close friend about my shrink's acceptance of the idea he said she was irresponsible.
Did you explained to her eventual complications? Risks of never walking again?
Shrink isn't supposed to give you "acceptance", she is supposed to give you some kind of perspective.
LL always is the last resort, don't forget that.
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For this you should be already disqualified from any LL related surgery.
LL always is the last resort, don't forget that.
Ehh sure it can say a lot about his mentality, but having rhinoplasty isn't the absolute worst thing out there. I do agree with your last statement though....
With that in mind, OP I do think you're not well-informed about how long and arduous this procedure can be... It's going to take a full year before you go back to functioning like a normal person; if no complications arise..
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For this you should be already disqualified from any LL related surgery.
haha that's quite an assumption to jump to why would you think it disqualifies me from lengthening surgery?
My nose was damaged in a sparring match offsetting it to the right and deviating my septum to the point where I was unable to breathe so I thought why not get a rhinoplasty at the same time as it's not anymore inconvenient.
Did you explained to her eventual complications? Risks of never walking again?
Shrink isn't supposed to give you "acceptance", she is supposed to give you some kind of perspective.
LL always is the last resort, don't forget that.
She previously worked as a surgeon's first assistant and has come across the surgery for non cosmetic purposes.
I have found no cases of paralysis as a result of leg lengthening and the following is an extract from Dr. Guichet's website:
"While it is important to be aware of what could go wrong. It is important to note that no instances of deep infection (osteitis, osteomyelitis), paralysis or lasting stiffness have occurred as a result of Dr. Guichet’s femoral lengthening practice to date."
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You said everything started after the end of a relationship.
I can relate to the feeling of unworthingness or whatever since I like every other single man or women had a rough breakup at some point in our past... A harsh breakup can really mess up your self worth and self image.... Be sure that you are not projecting your sorrow for the lost relationship into invented insecurities... One thing is to want to become taller... Another is to suffer because you arent already tall
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I have found no cases of paralysis as a result of leg lengthening and the following is an extract from Dr. Guichet's website:
"While it is important to be aware of what could go wrong. It is important to note that no instances of deep infection (osteitis, osteomyelitis), paralysis or lasting stiffness have occurred as a result of Dr. Guichet’s femoral lengthening practice to date."
And Betz says his patients can get 22cm of lengthening. Eh.
haha that's quite an assumption to jump to why would you think it disqualifies me from lengthening surgery?
My nose was damaged in a sparring match offsetting it to the right and deviating my septum to the point where I was unable to breathe so I thought why not get a rhinoplasty at the same time as it's not anymore inconvenient.
Cool. It's more about going into addiction from plastic surgeries especially that LL isn't an easy walk in the park.
You were happy with your nose job, why you can't be happy now?
Imho you sound like someone who thinks LL will solve his self-esteem issues which is obviously false(it can help, but it won't do it just by itself). Remember that Guichet doesn't accept people who think LL will solve their life problems.
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Why dont you get a loan of 25 000 € from the bank, do LL and then pay it off slowly.
This way you will be millionaire not when you are 40 but maybe 45 because you have to pay off the loan. But then you are tall and rich!
My main point: You dont have to choose between height and money. That is just a limiting belief in your head.
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man 15 years is just way too long.You cant know what time will bring till then.Maybe you will be billionare after you do LL and start working in like 5-10 years :)You should get your surgery if you really want imo.
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You said everything started after the end of a relationship.
I can relate to the feeling of unworthingness or whatever since I like every other single man or women had a rough breakup at some point in our past... A harsh breakup can really mess up your self worth and self image.... Be sure that you are not projecting your sorrow for the lost relationship into invented insecurities... One thing is to want to become taller... Another is to suffer because you arent already tall
I knew I was short since I was 18 but I wasn't really fussed since I wasn't mocked for it and had a great partner but as more and more people started to comment and so did my partner and her parents that's when it started and when we broke up and I entered the dating world and got the shock of my life when I experienced women's obsession over height and thing's haven't got better since so now it's time to do something drastic about it to solve the issue once and for all and I can put all this behind me.
I'm definitely suffering :/
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And you are 5 8" :-X
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I knew I was short since I was 18 but I wasn't really fussed since I wasn't mocked for it and had a great partner but as more and more people started to comment and so did my partner and her parents that's when it started and when we broke up and I entered the dating world and got the shock of my life when I experienced women's obsession over height and thing's haven't got better since so now it's time to do something drastic about it to solve the issue once and for all and I can put all this behind me.
I'm definitely suffering :/
mocked? as more and more people started to comment? Dude wtf?!You are not a midget for crying out loud..
I dont understand,do you live in netherlands or some tall af country?
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I knew I was short since I was 18 but I wasn't really fussed since I wasn't mocked for it and had a great partner but as more and more people started to comment and so did my partner and her parents that's when it started and when we broke up and I entered the dating world and got the shock of my life when I experienced women's obsession over height and thing's haven't got better since so now it's time to do something drastic about it to solve the issue once and for all and I can put all this behind me.
I'm definitely suffering :/
Its your mental issue, did they called you short? i guess not.
why you don't say anything about tall guy get rejected, are they short too?
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mocked? as more and more people started to comment? Dude wtf?!You are not a midget for crying out loud..
I dont understand,do you live in netherlands or some tall af country?
He has England in his signature.
I'm not mocked for my 5'5 and i'm living in an average taller country.
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Its a tough question
Height neurosis or short stature is beyond horrible it truly is and i sympathise i can relate to your story and have a lot of sympathy. I suffered the exact same things, women would say 'yeah your handsome, good looking etc but youre too short' etc etc etc. its as frustrating as hell! You feel bitter and angry and it eventually consumes your life.
Even just reading this my jaw clenches and my muscles tense with anger and frustration; you've obviously experienced the same prejudice as I have.
Do I want to be bitter about it all my life? absolutely not if their is a 'cure'...even if it is ~£55,000! haha
If you want the surgery done id either do it now or not at all. You must realise though that this surgery comes at costs not just money wise it would be great if that was all it was but it isnt. At 5-8 id advise you to do 5cms on tibias or something similar on femurs, there are pros and cons to both that you must be aware of. Doing tibias you will eventually lose dorsiflexion at a certain point, you may very well be able to regain some but not much or anynat all if you overlengthen. Dorsiflexion is critical for a number of movements for the body and without it walking will become very awkward. Running properly will be a thing of the past. A number of gym movements will become very difficult if not impossible to do safely. If you are into athletic things think very hard about this surgery. If you are an individual who is like the rest of the population who gets up works, goes hime watches soaps, then goes to bed and does this year after year then fine go get it as the difference to your life is minimal.
I'm defiantly doing femur as that is what Dr. Guichet performs; going to research 'Dorsiflexion' non the less as it's a term I havn't come across yet.
I used to row but a rowing club wasn't the wisest thing to join with height neurosis for obvious reasons so I just weight train at the gym four days a week now...just another example how it affects my daily life :(
The problem with these boards is any questions regardingthe issues caused by this surgery are generally not answered or ignored. There are too many folk on here that obsess over nonsense like proportions when there is far bigger things to worry about, like making sure you dont overlengthen and screw yourself up. You wont guve a fk about your arms being 1" too short for your body if you cant walk properly again.
I agree that the forum is bias towards the surgery but that is to be expected as very few people will expose themselves if they have failed at something (in this case suffered complications) even under an alias on a forum however there are rare exceptions like Unicorn who have gone into great detail about what appears to be a very arduous experience...it does make me wonder how many people have experienced the same issues faced by Unicorn though.
If you had cash like a million there would be plenty of women who would be keen on you, theres little difference between a woman who goes for a guy whos rich or one who goes for one who is tall simply because they are either rich or tall. Both will fail as money can only buy so much happiness but someone who is tall will eventually be surplus to requirements as well as the height thing will grow old similar to the material posessions they bought with your money either way both types of women are not the types you want.
I dont get women whongo for for guys simply because they are tall, its the equivalent of guys going with women because they have big tits but literally nothing else going for them
Hope to god I don't fall for one of these women! haha I sort of get that women directly relate height with strength and want to feel protected it's just a natural instinct so I don't necessarily blame them for it...it's just sh*t for guys below average height!
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haha I sort of get that women directly relate height with strength and want to feel protected it's just a natural instinct so I don't necessarily blame them for it...it's just sh*t for guys below average height!
It's barely natural instinct. Height is mostly glorified by media and hollywood.
Even just reading this my jaw clenches and my muscles tense with anger and frustration; you've obviously experienced the same prejudice as I have.
Do I want to be bitter about it all my life? absolutely not if their is a 'cure'...even if it is ~£55,000! haha
That type of girls won't date you anymore but it's good, you wouldn't really want to date that type of person.
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80 mm is 3.25" inches. you need more time then. 7 cm you can gain it in two months with Guichet, then you can go back immediately but its preferable to stay an extra week there so lets say 65 days for 7 cm. good luck
80mm/25.4mm=3.15" trust me I'm an engineer ;)
Didn't think to bother mentioning the additional 0.15" but it appears people on here are budding metrologist's and like to be exact haha :P
65 days will do me perfectly! ;D and ty!
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80mm/25.4mm=3.15" trust me I'm an engineer ;)
Didn't think to bother mentioning the additional 0.15" but it appears people on here are budding metrologist's and like to be exact haha :P
65 days will do me perfectly! ;D and ty!
but then you will be in crutches for one or two months, but its ok you can go and have work. but 65 days i meant with Guichet, because he usually cut 1 cm in the first day, and lets assume no complication occured
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It is either only in the UK and US that is like that, but I have never heard of people above 5'6 being called "too short to date"... Usually when women tell you what they dont like about you directly, it's because that's not the real thing they don't like... A good women will never tell a short dude that he is short nor that he is ugly if he is really ugly (they will talk behind the back)...
Like really... 5'8 is not so short to be a major problem in the dating world...
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It is either only in the UK and US that is like that, but I have never heard of people above 5'6 being called "too short to date"... Usually when women tell you what they dont like about you directly, it's because that's not the real thing they don't like... A good women will never tell a short dude that he is short nor that he is ugly if he is really ugly (they will talk behind the back)...
Like really... 5'8 is not so short to be a major problem in the dating world...
Women will find anything about you trust me, whatever you did. small penis, short, gay and if they didn't find anything they will say you smell bad. so no way you will walk away without hearing anything from them when you leave them
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I meant when you hit on a women... Usually they will not say what is wrong with you but invent something... Just like when they say "I have a boyfriend"... Most people are not dckheads
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I meant when you hit on a women... Usually they will not say what is wrong with you but invent something... Just like when they say "I have a boyfriend"... Most people are not dckheads
they say it to anyone even if you're tall, only if you have a full pocket then no one will reject you ;)
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It is either only in the UK and US that is like that, but I have never heard of people above 5'6 being called "too short to date"... Usually when women tell you what they dont like about you directly, it's because that's not the real thing they don't like... A good women will never tell a short dude that he is short nor that he is ugly if he is really ugly (they will talk behind the back)...
Like really... 5'8 is not so short to be a major problem in the dating world...
Seriously, some people really don't know how to be really short.
And im not even talking about my own height but less.
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they say it to anyone even if you're tall, only if you have a full pocket then no one will reject you ;)
that's what I meant... No sane right minded girl will openly say to a short dude "you are too short..Sorry".. Just like they wouldnt say " I dont date Asians, arabs, Jews or whatever"... The vast majority of people are not dckheads... Saying "you are too short" is usually used when you arent really too short but because she just doesnt like you and doesnt want to tell you "you are too ugly".
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If you are too ugly you can be accepeted, but you have to be 6+.
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I'd choose wealth - but not only because of wealth loss to LL, but because you'll sacrifice more than just wealth when you do LL.
I'm 5'8" - 5'9", and have to opportunity to go to 5'11" by doing tibs. Even though my pockets are deep enough that a $100k surgery is pocket change, I wouldn't go through with it all again. There's no price tag on time lost. Once you lose time, you lose it forever. Time and health should not be taken for granted.
If you want to know why doing LL for the dating world is a bad idea at 5'8", then go read the last few posts in my diary. It might change your mindset about this surgery afterwards or realign your expectations.
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I meant when you hit on a women... Usually they will not say what is wrong with you but invent something... Just like when they say "I have a boyfriend"... Most people are not dckheads
Have you ever seen dating profiles on plenty of fish? haha one I distinctly remember was '5"10 or below? friend zoned' I admit it did make me burst out laughing oh and she was 5"5 or something couldn't believe it! Safe to say I would never say a word to someone that shallow but they do appear to exist and have no shame in openly discriminating against people.
The sole purpose of the surgery is not to pull more women it's to cure me of an illness that has persisted for 7 years and I see little hope of it fading away with therapy.
I also hate the idea of shorter men being mocked when they have great slabs of muscle covering their bodies and are deemed to be making up for height (potentially true in some cases admittedly) and being labelled as having a Napoleon complex but if a tall / average height guy has a similar physique they are sexy as hell makes no sense :-\
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I also hate the idea of shorter men being mocked when they have great slabs of muscle covering their bodies and are deemed to be making up for height (potentially true in some cases admittedly) and being labelled as having a Napoleon complex but if a tall / average height guy has a similar physique they are sxxy as hell makes no sense :-\
It makes my blood boil too. I would like to get myself SUV car but i could be labeled as a guy with short man syndrome(even the name makes me cringe). But bigotry will always exist no matter what, you can't really do anything about it.
But funny thing is, most of these women have tons of makeup on their face and probably have huge complex by themselves. Not to mention their character or intelligence... Imho there is no bigger turn off then princess which thinks she is everything.
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Have you ever seen dating profiles on plenty of fish? haha one I distinctly remember was '5"10 or below? friend zoned' I admit it did make me burst out laughing oh and she was 5"5 or something couldn't believe it! Safe to say I would never say a word to someone that shallow but they do appear to exist and have no shame in openly discriminating against people.
The sole purpose of the surgery is not to pull more women it's to cure me of an illness that has persisted for 7 years and I see little hope of it fading away with therapy.
I also hate the idea of shorter men being mocked when they have great slabs of muscle covering their bodies and are deemed to be making up for height (potentially true in some cases admittedly) and being labelled as having a Napoleon complex but if a tall / average height guy has a similar physique they are sxxy as hell makes no sense :-\
Dating apps are not the same as real life... I also write on my tinder profile "no fat chicks"... But there is a difference between being a keyboard warrior and saying things straight to the face.
About the muscle thing, it's true... In my gym almost all of the overly buffed dudes are either my height or shorter... I preserve an "athletic" or "slim" look and frankly, I only got compliments on my physic... Alot of short dudes are indeed compensating in the gym... I also dont find it in any way attractive seeing a 165 or a 190 guy being super buffed and having the "spongebob squarpants" physic or suffering from the " invisible watermelons carrying syndrom" (when guys walk with their hands far away from their body because they imagine having huge "lats")...
A nice physic is a nice physic... Bodybuilders dont have a nice physic
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Napoleon was 5 6", he wasnt short in that time.
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I'd choose wealth - but not only because of wealth loss to LL, but because you'll sacrifice more than just wealth when you do LL.
I'm 5'8" - 5'9", and have to opportunity to go to 5'11" by doing tibs. Even though my pockets are deep enough that a $100k surgery is pocket change, I wouldn't go through with it all again. There's no price tag on time lost. Once you lose time, you lose it forever. Time and health should not be taken for granted.
If you want to know why doing LL for the dating world is a bad idea at 5'8", then go read the last few posts in my diary. It might change your mindset about this surgery afterwards or realign your expectations.
I really enjoyed reading your extremely detailed diary; one sentence stuck in my mind 'it does remove the feelings of sadness' that's all I want and if you've achieved that feeling through leg lengthening that's exactly what I'm going to do too, being trapped in my own mind every day is very painful, allot more so than long term muscle damage.
I was surprised when you alluded to the possibility of a bone graft which I thought was very rare in regards to femur's though...was this actually required in the end? and wtf do they do to charge $77 for Vitamin D test? haha :P
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If you are too ugly you can be accepeted, but you have to be 6+.
Its only in your mind, you are so insecurity toward women, i have a friend and he's 6'2.5 at least, he's nothing compare to me when i date. Not like i am Di Caprio or something, i want height because of my mental issue nothing more
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I really enjoyed reading your extremely detailed diary; one sentence stuck in my mind 'it does remove the feelings of sadness' that's all I want and if you've achieved that feeling through leg lengthening that's exactly what I'm going to do too, being trapped in my own mind every day is very painful, allot more so than long term muscle damage.
I was surprised when you alluded to the possibility of a bone graft which I thought was very rare in regards to femur's though...was this actually required in the end? and wtf do they do to charge $77 for Vitamin D test? haha :P
I don't know if I need a bone graft or not. I will find out in my next x-ray. The likelihood of me needing one is very high, though. And yea, it sucks that I need one. None of the 4 other patients who were with me needed one.
But I'm just saying that 5'8" ain't so bad...
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I don't know if I need a bone graft or not. I will find out in my next x-ray. The likelihood of me needing one is very high, though. And yea, it sucks that I need one. None of the 4 other patients who were with me needed one.
But I'm just saying that 5'8" ain't so bad...
Sorry to hear about your complication DoingItForMe best of luck with your x-ray; it seems to be luck of draw but that could be said for any invasive medical procedure as everyone's bodies behave differently.
This can be said for the mind too, I'm very sensitive to negative comment's and take them to heart whereas someone else would just brush it off hence getting so upset about height which has been reinforced by peoples comments.
For me personally being taller than 25% of the male population is not good enough and I'm overcome with a horrible feeling of inferiority when out in public, being taller than 75% of the male population i.e. 5"11 would make an unbelievable difference.
I've tried 1.5" lifts and it felt great but I was a bit self conscious wearing them and subsequently taking my shoes off with a fear of being questioned about it so I know it's not just all in my head.
Possibly silly question but where does the extra bone come from which is used for the bone graft?
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Sorry to hear about your complication DoingItForMe best of luck with your x-ray; it seems to be luck of draw but that could be said for any invasive medical procedure as everyone's bodies behave differently.
This can be said for the mind too, I'm very sensitive to negative comment's and take them to heart whereas someone else would just brush it off hence getting so upset about height which has been reinforced by peoples comments.
For me personally being taller than 25% of the male population is not good enough and I'm overcome with a horrible feeling of inferiority when out in public, being taller than 75% of the male population i.e. 5"11 would make an unbelievable difference.
I've tried 1.5" lifts and it felt great but I was a bit self conscious wearing them and subsequently taking my shoes off with a fear of being questioned about it so I know it's not just all in my head.
Possibly silly question but where does the extra bone come from which is used for the bone graft?
Usually the hips
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Usually the hips
Oh that sucks :(
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If you are too ugly you can be accepeted, but you have to be 6+.
ًWell Said.
- Too short, Short but handsome = You will struggle.
- Short, Ugly = God with you bro.
- Normal, Handsome = More Chances.
- Normal, Ugly = Struggle.
- +6'0, Handsome = 8) Man you rock.
- + 6'0, Ugly or whatever = You still have chances.
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ًWell Said.
- Too short, Short but handsome = You will struggle.
- Short, Ugly = God with you bro.
- Normal, Handsome = More Chances.
- Normal, Ugly = Struggle.
- +6'0, Handsome = 8) Man you rock.
- + 6'0, Ugly or whatever = You still have chances.
Bull
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I like how character is not mentioned here... As if personality doesnt matter at all...
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I like how character is not mentioned here... As if personality doesnt matter at all...
Or owning a new BMW.
Because we are talking about that kind of women, right?
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Or owning a new BMW.
Because we are talking about that kind of women, right?
5'3 with very big pocket= you will hate pussies, because its will become very tasteless to you
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what does looks have to do with goldiggers? Women have a right to want to hook-up with a good looking guy you know... Thing is, that character influences how attractive you look...
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what does looks have to do with goldiggers? Women have a right to want to hook-up with a good looking guy you know... Thing is, that character influences how attractive you look...
I ment women that look purely superficial.
And as you say, character can change hell of a lot.
Human attraction is complicated, every person have different priorities.
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I ment women that look purely superficial.
And as you say, character can change hell of a lot.
Human attraction is complicated, every person have different priorities.
A gold digger is like the complete opposite of a girl who's superficial. Gold diggers date some of the ugliest, oldest men (look at Anna Nicole Smith). I personally would rather date someone who's smart and knows how to get things done versus dating someone who is just a low-level employee with no ambition. It's funny that when a girl does the same for a guy, people call her a gold digger.
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A gold digger is like the complete opposite of a girl who's superficial. Gold diggers date some of the ugliest, oldest men (look at Anna Nicole Smith). I personally would rather date someone who's smart and knows how to get things done versus dating someone who is just a low-level employee with no ambition. It's funny that when a girl does the same for a guy, people call her a gold digger.
There is difference between woman that takes your financial/career in consideration and girl that will do anything just to get piece of your pocket.
Well obviously no woman will date a beggar but it's more about looking on something else than just 1 trait.
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5'8'' (172-173 cm) is not a bad height: choose money! I have red on some website that you can do LL even if you are 40 years old. Seriously, don't waste a fortune: for rich people look is not important.
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5'8'' (172-173 cm) is not a bad height: choose money! I have red on some website that you can do LL even if you are 40 years old. Seriously, don't waste a fortune: for rich people look is not important.
Completely agree it's within the realms of normality but I've never been normal and being sub-normal in regard's to stature statistically speaking simply isn't good enough.
I didn't win the genetic lottery mentally; I was born with learning difficulties specifically dyslexia but it didn't stop me excelling in my chosen field, the solution to the problem was to study all day and all night until everything sunk in down to the last equation.
This is the same; I didn't win the genetic lottery physically but thankfully there is a solution available to my problem...is it expensive? yes. Is it painful? Yes. Is it time consuming? Yes.
Is it worth it for height neurosis to never cross my mind for the rest of my life not to mention the discrimination? God yes...i'll take a clear mind over a Ferrari any day.
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Is it worth it for height neurosis to never cross my mind for the rest of my life not to mention the discrimination? God yes...i'll take a clear mind over a Ferrari any day.
How 'bout all that discrimination against the 5'8 people of the world, amirite? The other day I saw a 5'8 guy sitting in the front of the bus with the rest of us normal 5'11 folk and I couldn't believe the audacity of that f***. I made him sit in the back of the bus with all the other 5'8 subhuman scum.
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How 'bout all that discrimination against the 5'8 people of the world, amirite? The other day I saw a 5'8 guy sitting in the front of the bus with the rest of us normal 5'11 folk and I couldn't believe the audacity of that f***. I made him sit in the back of the bus with all the other 5'8 subhuman scum.
The word discrimination is a bit harsh. As a 5'7 guy I can safely say that this talk about discrimination from fellow men and work place is simply bull (could be because 5'7 is not so short or just because the shorter people here imagine sutff idk). The only thing that height has affect on is dating life. Being taller (up untill 6' or 6'1 maybe) has its advantages and you can't deny the fact the height is a positive physical aspect of a man (it has no effect on women's physical appearance).
I do strongly believe that at 5'9-5'10 you will rarely be rejected for you height. I also do believe that being taller than 5'7 wont have any effect on my social life with fellow men or how I am regarded in the workplace. It will just make me more appealing for women... It's just like losing weight and going from chubby to skinny... Very short people could be more regarded as obese going to chubby/skinny
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How 'bout all that discrimination against the 5'8 people of the world, amirite? The other day I saw a 5'8 guy sitting in the front of the bus with the rest of us normal 5'11 folk and I couldn't believe the audacity of that f***. I made him sit in the back of the bus with all the other 5'8 subhuman scum.
Loving the Rosa Parks analogy, hope he entered from the rear of the bus too!
Troll more please :)
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Completely agree it's within the realms of normality but I've never been normal and being sub-normal in regard's to stature statistically speaking simply isn't good enough.
I didn't win the genetic lottery mentally; I was born with learning difficulties specifically dyslexia but it didn't stop me excelling in my chosen field, the solution to the problem was to study all day and all night until everything sunk in down to the last equation.
This is the same; I didn't win the genetic lottery physically but thankfully there is a solution available to my problem...is it expensive? yes. Is it painful? Yes. Is it time consuming? Yes.
Is it worth it for height neurosis to never cross my mind for the rest of my life not to mention the discrimination? God yes...i'll take a clear mind over a Ferrari any day.
If you have a short stature complex LL may solve your problem, but consider that I am 165 cm "tall" and I'm still in doubt about LL: remember not only that it is an expensive procedure (even if affordable in many cases), but it cost also pain and some risks. Why don't you try to look on youtybe some videos about LL before taking this decision? Or why don't you wait some years and taste the pleasure to spend a part of your earned money ? Maybe, you will discovered that height is not all in a person. Me too, I don't like my height, but I simply don't trust that if you don't win the "genetic lottery" on height you are necessary a 3rd category man... There are a lot of tall men that will change 10 cm of their height for being millionaire!
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Height is better than wealth, because being tall there are more porbabilities you can become rich in the future, being rich won make you tall by itself.
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Height is better than wealth, because being tall there are more porbabilities you can become rich in the future, being rich won make you tall by itself.
no this bull , a lot of tall men are poor and cannot date, money's everything, if you have money you rule people.
we talk about wealth here, not a normal wealth. not a million dollar. 10-15 million at least
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If you're under 5'6, height. 90% of women just won't find you attractive enough to go out on a date with you, unless you've spent month as her friend and she's suddenly found you attractive because of your "personality." That's just the truth. You will not be attractive to most women at or below 5'6.
Anything above 5'9, wealth. The lives between a 5'9 millionaire and a 6'0 millionaire will be nearly-identical. Once you're 2-3 inches taller than the average woman, it really doesn't matter anymore. 5'7 and 5'8 are still kind of on the short-side, but you'll do fine if you have a decent personality and decent body.
Being a millionaire at 5'6 you will be able to find women to fk you for money of course, as you would also be able to as a 5'1 man But I would feel really bad about myself. It's fine that women just won't find my sexually attractive (ever) in anyway at below 5'6. It's akin to me never being able to be attracted to a woman that are morbidly obese. That's why we're all here.
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no this bullcrap, a lot of tall men are poor and cannot date, money's everything, if you have money you rule people.
we talk about wealth here, not a normal wealth. not a million dollar. 10-15 million at least
Would still take being average man's height over being a multi billionaire.... Money can't buy you self esteem or peace with yourself (physically speaking).
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Surely height is important for aesthetic... but if you have money you can do LL and gain some cms, if you are tall but poor you will not necessarily become rich. Day by day, I'm developping an idea in my mind: when a woman say to you that you are too short for a date she's really thinking: "you are not enough important in daily life to be my partner" (indipendently by your height). Over a certain richness level, rules are yours, I've seen it: your self-estimate will increase by thinking to your personal success and if you are successfull for other people you'll be tall enough even if you are short.
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If you're under 5'6, height. 90% of women just won't find you attractive enough to go out on a date with you, unless you've spent month as her friend and she's suddenly found you attractive because of your "personality." That's just the truth. You will not be attractive to most women at or below 5'6.
Height is better than wealth, because being tall there are more porbabilities you can become rich in the future, being rich won make you tall by itself.
Completely agree it's within the realms of normality but I've never been normal and being sub-normal in regard's to stature statistically speaking simply isn't good enough.
I didn't win the genetic lottery mentally; I was born with learning difficulties specifically dyslexia but it didn't stop me excelling in my chosen field, the solution to the problem was to study all day and all night until everything sunk in down to the last equation.
This is the same; I didn't win the genetic lottery physically but thankfully there is a solution available to my problem...is it expensive? yes. Is it painful? Yes. Is it time consuming? Yes.
Is it worth it for height neurosis to never cross my mind for the rest of my life not to mention the discrimination? God yes...i'll take a clear mind over a Ferrari any day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Deg7VrpHbM
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The word discrimination is a bit harsh. As a 5'7 guy I can safely say that this talk about discrimination from fellow men and work place is simply bullcrap (could be because 5'7 is not so short or just because the shorter people here imagine sutff idk).
Can't comment on other industries but engineering is pretty cut throat and any perceived flaw mocked. On the management side of things it's nothing short of Game of Thrones haha that being said I don't foresee a 3" height increase changing anything professionally despite the belittling news articles circulating suggesting taller men earn more.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/11615756/Tall-men-earn-more-are-more-attractive-and-have-healthier-hearts.html
https://www.theguardian.com/money/shortcuts/2015/apr/29/do-tall-people-really-deserve-to-earn-more
Here's a little snippet as if the supposed height/salary correlation wasn't bad enough...
'Last year a study by Edinburgh University found there to be a “significant genetic correlation” between height and IQ: taller people tended to be smarter.' WTF :/
The only thing that height has affect on is dating life. Being taller (up untill 6' or 6'1 maybe) has its advantages and you can't deny the fact the height is a positive physical aspect of a man (it has no effect on women's physical appearance).
I do strongly believe that at 5'9-5'10 you will rarely be rejected for you height. I also do believe that being taller than 5'7 wont have any effect on my social life with fellow men or how I am regarded in the workplace. It will just make me more appealing for women... It's just like losing weight and going from chubby to skinny... Very short people could be more regarded as obese going to chubby/skinny
No doubt it's a powerful physical attribute for dating, not really fussed about better social life as it's already pretty great.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Deg7VrpHbM
lmao thanks Michael your the best! :-*
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Can't comment on other industries but engineering is pretty cut throat and any perceived flaw mocked. On the management side of things it's nothing short of Game of Thrones haha that being said I don't foresee a 3" height increase changing anything professionally despite the belittling news articles circulating suggesting taller men earn more.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/11615756/Tall-men-earn-more-are-more-attractive-and-have-healthier-hearts.html
https://www.theguardian.com/money/shortcuts/2015/apr/29/do-tall-people-really-deserve-to-earn-more
Here's a little snippet as if the supposed height/salary correlation wasn't bad enough...
'Last year a study by Edinburgh University found there to be a “significant genetic correlation” between height and IQ: taller people tended to be smarter.' WTF :/
No doubt it's a powerful physical attribute for dating, not really fussed about better social life as it's already pretty great.
I mean those are all cognitive characteristics... meaning even you do LL you're still the same. You don't gain IQ points.
It all ties back to their up bringing. In the end, we are all genetically set in stone in our mothers wombs. How far and how well developed/taken care of from adolescence to adult, that also has a huge impact on brain development. I'm curious if compare two guys, of different heights, but near perfect childhood up brining, what the results are.
I only say this because I know of plenty of smart people who've gone to Ivy league schools and aren't tall (they are Hispanic who are at least I would say 2-3 inches below average male and female). It's about how well you were fed growing up.
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IQ increasor, next forum is coming.
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Please, people! Height is important just for aesthetic and (maybe) self-estimate... Being tall will not automatically bring more money into your wallet! My father is 5'3'' tall and he's the director on his workplace, I'm short and I'm working and I'm finding easily jobs while many tall people that I know cannot find a decent job... Ah! About height and smartness, I'm graduated in Physics... Height is only for beauty, that's sure!
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Guys,
I'd say it's not
Height => Success
but
Height => Confidence => Success
instead.
If you manage to reach
Confidence => Success
despite of the lack of height, you're fine.
Otherwise you have LL.
EDIT: Nevermind, I'm not gonna lie. There are times I'm pretty convinced that society is heightist. We're seen as a joke, we get 0 attention and they want taller people for important jobs.
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4-5cm of height putting me in the bottom 10% with women and above average income would be better I think.
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Guys,
I'd say it's not
Height => Success
but
Height => Confidence => Success
instead.
If you manage to reach
Confidence => Success
despite of the lack of height, you're fine.
Otherwise you have LL.
I totally agree with you.