Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: LLuser1 on December 07, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
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I think it's very dangerous when doctors become salesmen.
Instead of telling their patients about the risks of these surgery they say everything is perfect and all their patients are fine while some are having serious problems. FRom a businessman perspective this is normal, but should a doctor act like this?
I have visited many LL doctors and have met many LL patients and I have found that most doctors have forgotten about their duties as doctors and are focusing on their LL business.
These are despicable cases of dishonesty everybody here should know.
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Considering your previous post I'm assuming you know some yourself, in which case I'd ask that you share these stories with us; but I also ask that they in some form be backed up by evidence (which can be hard but making baseless accusations can be just as bad especially when dealing with a life-altering surgery).
In any case to answer your own query, in terms of dishonesty the only one I constant hear brought up is Dr. Sarin. Whether they are all true or not I still don't know. With him it seems like a case similar to Bill Cosby where plenty of people have accused him so I figure there must be some degree of truth behind it; among other tangible proofs that prove both cases. I honestly wouldn't trust him so I'm not going to India anytime soon.
As far other top doctors I wouldn't know. Doctors like Guichet, Paley, Rozbrouch, Mahboubian, Monegal and really any U.S/first world based doctor will try to hold himself at a higher degree of professionalism and care because they have so much more ridding in each case they deal with with fear of ruining their reputations.
Also as far as Salesman like activities, it's a given each one is going to act like it because of the nature of this procedure. I firmly believe that they shouldn't but as long as they never underestimate the complications of this procedure then I have no real issue with it. Case in point, Dr. Mahboubian, an LA based doctor, seems like your typically sleazy marketing doctor because he actively markets LL like it's just a basic procedure, but so far no one has really had any problems under his care. But like anything dealing with LL, nothing is given, so take everything you read with a grain of salt
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"I have visited many LL doctors and have met many LL patients and I have found that most doctors have forgotten about their duties as doctors and are focusing on their LL business."
Evidences or didn't happen.
"These are despicable cases of dishonesty everybody here should know."
Wait, which cases are you taking about?
First of all, cosmetic (not medically required) procedures are for profit. This applies not only to LL. I'm pretty sure any ethical doctor would be against altering a perfectly functional nose just because the patient wanted to look like someone she saw on t.v. To answer your question, Yes, they are DOCTORS AND SALESMEN. But that does not mean that they are bound to lie. Remember doctors dedicated a decade of their lives studying their profession, let alone practicing it. So I doubt they will deliberately do something that would cost them their medical license getting revoked.
Your best bet is to consider this decision thoroughly, discuss it with your GP, and read peer reviewed papers. Over and over again. And If ever you decided to go through this process, choose the right doctor and you have to trust him.
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Dr Monegal doesn’t tell the truth about his patients. He uses to prepare a tour for his prospective patients, like a salesman does. He shows them the clinic and the guesthouse but he only shows what he wants them to know.
In October some prospective patients visited Dr Monegal’s center and met some actual patients. I have visited the center. Glenn described this tour in his diary. Everything seemed fine but the doctor didn’t tell all the truth to his future patients. He introduced these people to all his current patients but one girl who was also at the guesthouse and who has had very serious complications (Musicmaker??). This is for me a case of dishonesty. I learnt about this after my trip.
I can understand that this is a difficult surgery and sometimes things go wrong, but doctor said none of his patients had had complications which wasn’t true.
After the trip, I made some research. I asked some people (patients and people from the forum) and got to know that it’s not only this girl who had problems, but other people. It seems there is one American guy whose implant failed. Dr told him that he had to be exfixed and he had to pay around 7000 eur. Finally the company sent a free implant for him but it failed too and he had to go to OR again. It isn’t about money but about all the trauma and suffering for that guy. It seems he hasn’t been compensated.
I don’t have more evidence of this than what I have been told. Perhaps patients and doctor himself can explain but I think people should know about this. I feel deceived by the doctor. Dr Monegal should have acted like honest doctors do and say, ‘Look, guys, I try my best, but sometimes complications occur and these are the complications I have had’. But he lied. He said all his surgeries were fantastic and it seems there were at least two people with major complications and other people with other problems like misalignments, screws getting loose and nerve problems which required additional surgeries and consultations with other surgeons.
There are many LL doctors like that. They are businessmen instead of doctors. It seems LL corrupts doctors.
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This is what i was about to post in my next off topic post. Dr monegal and that music maker and all those diary's seem full of fking crap I keep giving trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe this guy is legit and what sounded 2 good to be true was legit. but the way he lost his frame arguing on a forum, the number of people (fake accounts) on here suk his dck, and just all the diaries looked like a promotion diary edited to perfection to the benefit of monegal. it was just way to many red flags to ignore.
Anyways i think he is full of it because i knew spain was going through a deep recession and extreme economic woes currently... i didnt think that a doctor would be this desperate to find other means of creating income.
On Bohemia post where he had to hand cash to the doctor instead of the hospital i knew 100% this guy was full of crap but again i gave the benefit of the doubt. Then i continued reading this "diaries" and saw some of these videos. It was all but indirect way of self promotion. If anyone beleive this musicmaker because shes a chick and you short guys are that lonely and pathetic to believe this typical bitch (it may even be a male behind the account). There was a dude on here named Forcedpuberty who was pretty tough on the guy and for good reason. LL aint no joke and there are people who will take advantage of this situation for money. Remember the first rule of life. EVERYONE IS UTTERLY SELFISH> Whether that selfishness is used towards good or bullcrap everyone is always in it for themselves. don't ever underestimate it.
I noticed some people who actually LL are considering him and i really hope they reconsider and get a more reliable doctor. Other people can continue to go to this guy but i wouldnt risk it. I trust my gut feeling over most things and personally its never let me down.
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Let's not jump to conclusions here as we aren't seeing the whole picture. I hope Dr. Monegal responds to these accusations. I am not trying to protect anybody. Although lying to a prospect patient is unacceptable for me also (If what LLuser1is saying is true).
Let's not slander Dr. Monegal. He seems to be a good person. He helped dwarf kids in past for free (as per him).
I have to agree tho, this Musicmaker person is a bit of dong rider when it comes to Monegal. ;D
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ForcedPuberty was tough on him, because he was attacked by members of the forum after having given his opinion on 2 issues:
1) he didn't like Dr Monegal's two-stage procedure
2) he thought doing tibia and femur of the same leg at the same time didn't make sense.
Curiously enough, this doctor does bilateral femurs now, even if he said it was very dangerous, and opts for crosslateral approach when doing four segments. Forcedpuberty was right at the end.
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Another thing people told me is Dr Monegal sometimes forgets important things. He forgot to prescribe heparine shots to the American guy whose implants failed. Gross failure.
I agree with Moose that diaries here are full of . Bohemia's diary is disgusting. And that girl Musicmaker seems stupid. Promoting a doctor in a such a ridiculous way when you are screwed up for life doesn't make sense at all. I haven't met her but people told me she is wheelchair bounded and keeps defending him.
Don't believe a word of diaries. Dr Monegal controls every word they say.
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Of course there is deceit and dishonesty in this business. The creation of forum is directly related to the scam that occurred in India a few years back, where forum owners and doctors colluded to trick patients into having the surgery- something of which I fell victim to. Ultimately, it is the responsibility of the patient to undergo surgery, so if anything feels or seems shady, you should listen to your instinct.
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Dr Monegal doesn’t tell the truth about his patients. He uses to prepare a tour for his prospective patients, like a salesman does. He shows them the clinic and the guesthouse but he only shows what he wants them to know.
In October some prospective patients visited Dr Monegal’s center and met some actual patients. I have visited the center. Glenn described this tour in his diary. Everything seemed fine but the doctor didn’t tell all the truth to his future patients. He introduced these people to all his current patients but one girl who was also at the guesthouse and who has had very serious complications (Musicmaker??). This is for me a case of dishonesty. I learnt about this after my trip.
I can understand that this is a difficult surgery and sometimes things go wrong, but doctor said none of his patients had had complications which wasn’t true.
After the trip, I made some research. I asked some people (patients and people from the forum) and got to know that it’s not only this girl who had problems, but other people. It seems there is one American guy whose implant failed. Dr told him that he had to be exfixed and he had to pay around 7000 eur. Finally the company sent a free implant for him but it failed too and he had to go to OR again. It isn’t about money but about all the trauma and suffering for that guy. It seems he hasn’t been compensated.
I don’t have more evidence of this than what I have been told. Perhaps patients and doctor himself can explain but I think people should know about this. I feel deceived by the doctor. Dr Monegal should have acted like honest doctors do and say, ‘Look, guys, I try my best, but sometimes complications occur and these are the complications I have had’. But he lied. He said all his surgeries were fantastic and it seems there were at least two people with major complications and other people with other problems like misalignments, screws getting loose and nerve problems which required additional surgeries and consultations with other surgeons.
There are many LL doctors like that. They are businessmen instead of doctors. It seems LL corrupts doctors
Dear user
It seems like you do Not like me. But you should know What you talk about because saying this bunch of false information in public is against law. And just to your knowledge I will contact my lawyer so we can proceed with legal action against either you and The forum for non reviewing What you just wrote.
When patients come to see me, i show Them The Clinic and The facilities at MIC sant Jordi where patients stay after surgery. Having said That, the residents can meet The visitors But I cannot force residents to meet Them. I think a potential patient needs to know What he migth find in The future...and me too. From The 3 potential patients I met in october, I will operate only one of Them. The Other 2, one is too tall in my opinion and The Other one does Not accomplish psychological standards required for someone undergoing a procedure loke this. Probably That s you. And 1 out of 3 is Not exactly moneymaking.
Here comes The bomb: When you affirm something like What you say about MM and another imaginative patient I ex-fixed you are violating 2 things here. Privacy and truth. I hope your sources and yourself can proof What you said, because this is a public forum and you are saying false accussations. I Did Not ex fix none of my patients and Did Not charge money to any of my american patients for implant change. You have to check your sources before throwing all this.
About MM you all know She has had a rougth time after falling and fracturing Her femur. I went personally to Her local town (1500km a way) to fix That with no cost. She is thankfull and positive and What She needs is care and support, and Not stupid comments such as yours, trolling messages and prívate mails from disgusting people. I am happy to say She is doing well now But probably this is Not interesting for toxic people loke you.
Of course limb lengthening is Not easy, and every single doctor has has own complications. As one patients of mine says "this is Not a walk in The park". But attacking doctors or patients having issues is Not The way. There are some users here They will probably never do LL. Probably They don t have The money or The guts to do it. That s respectable. But to confirm themselves That They are rigth, They always look to attack doctors, look for patients in trouble or They start to troll forums.
I cannot say truth about my patients because I do Not talk about Them. Privacy exists here.
Probably you don t understand What this is, But you crossed a couple of lines here. Patients wrote What They Want on their diaries. I always tell Them to be carefull sharing Medical information in public because of privacy.
A salesmen? I do Not consider me a salesman.
A while ago I stoped posting here because some trolls acused me and Other doctors like Dr Franz of promotion. If I show potential patients What They migth find in Barcelona this is salesman.
That s funny. Let me say a few things:
1 I receive 5-6 mails per day about LL
2 I probably operate 1 out of 10 patients That ask for info
3 I have been offered 2000€ per implant If I change Fitbone and use another internal instead. I prefer using Fitbone (with no profit)
4 i have never charged money to any of my patients in case of complications
5 i recommend my patients to do 2 stage Eventhought i have to make 1500€ discount from my personal income, so They can afford it.
6 i have done bilateral procedures during 10 years. That s Not New (so thanks for trying). I always recommend 2 stage to my patients But bilateral can be done. They are all aware of possible complications and recovery When doing bilaterals.
7 i do Not have a webpage
8 self advertising is prohibited in spain
Of course doctors work to earn money. But do Not forget That becoming a LL doctor requires a lot of studying and training. So respect is a basic prínciple you should use here.
I can bear with personal attacks But Not with false acusación posted in public board.
As I said, it takes a Long time and lot of hard work.
Regards to all non toxic users
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This is what i was about to post in my next off topic post. Dr monegal and that music maker and all those diary's seem full of fking crap I keep giving trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe this guy is legit and what sounded 2 good to be true was legit. but the way he lost his frame arguing on a forum, the number of people (fake accounts) on here suk his dck, and just all the diaries looked like a promotion diary edited to perfection to the benefit of monegal. it was just way to many red flags to ignore.
Anyways i think he is full of it because i knew spain was going through a deep recession and extreme economic woes currently... i didnt think that a doctor would be this desperate to find other means of creating income.
On Bohemia post where he had to hand cash to the doctor instead of the hospital i knew 100% this guy was full of crap but again i gave the benefit of the doubt. Then i continued reading this "diaries" and saw some of these videos. It was all but indirect way of self promotion. If anyone beleive this musicmaker because shes a chick and you short guys are that lonely and pathetic to believe this typical bitch (it may even be a male behind the account). There was a dude on here named Forcedpuberty who was pretty tough on the guy and for good reason. LL aint no joke and there are people who will take advantage of this situation for money. Remember the first rule of life. EVERYONE IS UTTERLY SELFISH> Whether that selfishness is used towards good or bullcrap everyone is always in it for themselves. don't ever underestimate it.
I noticed some people who actually LL are considering him and i really hope they reconsider and get a more reliable doctor. Other people can continue to go to this guy but i wouldnt risk it. I trust my gut feeling over most things and personally its never let me down.
Let's not jump into any conclusions here mate. We don't really know the full picture here; and no real reason to throw Musicmaker under the bus and then run her over.
First though, let me say that I do agree with the point that Polycrates made in that there is some dishonesty in this entire business: it's a given. Now, if we are to go based on Bohemia and KrP1's diaries, then we can assume things are as they seem for the most part, considering that Bohemia is already home and not really under the care of Monegal, even though they continue conversation. Hopefully they do come here and clarify somethings.
Dr Monegal doesn’t tell the truth about his patients. He uses to prepare a tour for his prospective patients, like a salesman does. He shows them the clinic and the guesthouse but he only shows what he wants them to know.
In October some prospective patients visited Dr Monegal’s center and met some actual patients. I have visited the center. Glenn described this tour in his diary. Everything seemed fine but the doctor didn’t tell all the truth to his future patients. He introduced these people to all his current patients but one girl who was also at the guesthouse and who has had very serious complications (Musicmaker??). This is for me a case of dishonesty. I learnt about this after my trip.
I can understand that this is a difficult surgery and sometimes things go wrong, but doctor said none of his patients had had complications which wasn’t true.
After the trip, I made some research. I asked some people (patients and people from the forum) and got to know that it’s not only this girl who had problems, but other people. It seems there is one American guy whose implant failed. Dr told him that he had to be exfixed and he had to pay around 7000 eur. Finally the company sent a free implant for him but it failed too and he had to go to OR again. It isn’t about money but about all the trauma and suffering for that guy. It seems he hasn’t been compensated.
I don’t have more evidence of this than what I have been told. Perhaps patients and doctor himself can explain but I think people should know about this. I feel deceived by the doctor. Dr Monegal should have acted like honest doctors do and say, ‘Look, guys, I try my best, but sometimes complications occur and these are the complications I have had’. But he lied. He said all his surgeries were fantastic and it seems there were at least two people with major complications and other people with other problems like misalignments, screws getting loose and nerve problems which required additional surgeries and consultations with other surgeons.
There are many LL doctors like that. They are businessmen instead of doctors. It seems LL corrupts doctors.
Ok, so you pretty much described all LL doctors...ever. Let's face it no doctor will show you any misfortunes LL patients are undergoing (in fact I'm sure that's the truth for all medicine related surgeries, cosmetic or not). Now I know that patients who undergo LL do face problems and that it won't be an easy ride by any means so I will take a doctor's word with a grain of salt— even from Paley. As to whether they should tell you every single complication from every single case they've had...well that's tricky. I feel like this would be a two fold responsibility; a patient has to go out of his way to get all the information he can from the doctor about LL, as much as the doctor should go out of his way to fully explain the risk of the procedure. If all a doctor can say is that everything is 100% then yeah that's on him. Like I said, we can't really jump to conclusion.
If you are so sure of these examples you listed, then I ask that you tell them to come to the forum and explain their case. If not then we also have to take your word with a grain of salt.
Now is there anything else you know because you made it sound like you know a whole lot more about other doctors you're just not sharing.
(NOTE: I wrote this before Monegal Post as I took a long break before hand)
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Let's not jump to conclusions here as we aren't seeing the whole picture. I hope Dr. Monegal responds to these accusations. I am not trying to protect anybody. Although lying to a prospect patient is unacceptable for me also (If what LLuser1is saying is true).
Let's not slander Dr. Monegal. He seems to be a good person. He helped dwarf kids in past for free (as per him).
I have to agree tho, this Musicmaker person is a bit of dong rider when it comes to Monegal. ;D
I do Not lie about LL. And patients are all aware of potential complications.
They all need to sign a consent form and They are all aware of potential complications.
I never thougth I would go throught something like this. I cannot understand systematic attack towards MM. She is s nice lady and She had an accident while lengthening.
All I have done is to stay beside Her and fix Her situation. And calling Her dong rider for being thankful is something unacceptable. I hope you could show a sligth sigth of humanity and apologize to a fantastic human being.
As said, She is recovering and doing much better now.
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I do Not lie about LL. And patients are all aware of potential complications.
They all need to sign a consent form and They are all aware of potential complications.
I never thougth I would go throught something like this. I cannot understand systematic attack towards MM. She is s nice lady and She had an accident while lengthening.
All I have done is to stay beside Her and fix Her situation. And calling Her dong rider for being thankful is something unacceptable. I hope you could show a sligth sigth of humanity and apologize to a fantastic human being.
As said, She is recovering and doing much better now.
Hi Dr Monegal,
It is great to hear your response regarding this matter.
Regarding dong riding, I didn't mean it literally. :-X I was just agreeing to what they said based on my observation. Here are some quotes:
"From my point of view, the clinic is wonderful and so is Doctor Monegal."
"Xavi, I agree. Dr. Monegal is the best."
"I would like to emphasize that I strongly recommend Dr. Monegal. He is one of the best doctors I've ever met."
"All the doctors look quite professional, but my loving, loving Dr. Monegal is the best. Dr. Monegal is very young -one of the youngest appearing in the video-, but also very experienced. As you can see, he makes his points very well, and he has also a very good English (which is very important for international patients)."
I'm sorry though. I didn't mean to offend anybody. I should have picked my words wiser. What I was trying to say is that Musicmaker was acting like a fangirl/fanboy so much. Can't blame her anyways, you look like Jack Black. ;D
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Legal action? HAHAHAHAHAH go fk yourself loser this is the internet im entitled to my opinion. Honestly i just felt like putting out my opinion you could have just counter argued but now I KNOW YOU ARE A fkING FRAUD. Honest to god if any dumbass goes to this fool for LL i really hope you know what you are getting yourself into. Stupid ass useless "doctor". mother fker now im pissed. i will make it my mission to show you the fraud that you fking are. I typically lurk these forums learning about LL and there seems to be a lot of decent guys here but you seem to prey on people. you are one evil mother fker i hope the mods find out what your agenda truly is.
honest to god i thought you were a great deal just like most of the people on this forum. But i always knew whats to good to be true is never the case. Patiently waited and lurked everything you posted and all your minions what they posted. it kept getting more and more disgusting as i kept reading how utterly pathetic of a con artist you are.
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I feel like i should report your ass to spain authorities. Tax evasion is a serious crime fkboy monegal. I know who you are you dont know who i am. I win you worthless sack of crap.
im having a bad day already with the redskins losing to the cowboys you just added the fking cherry on top. Now i have somthing to direct my rage on.
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theres something on this forum we need to address i believe theres some serious diary and forum manipulation going on for dr.monegal. He immediatly got on the defensive threatening me with a lawsuit for making an opinion about him instead of defending himself like a normal person and disagreeing with my statement he chose to get really really defensive. (i hope you all know what that means) This doctor is no more than a child mentally and a scam artist at best. I was going to off topic post about him later but was giving him the benefit of the doubt now i know for sure this man is not who he says he is and all his supports on this forum are all part of the same team. I really hope the admins start taking wind of this mans actions and how detrimental it can be to someone who honestly chooses him as a doctor. He may do a good job im not saying hes not but how hes promoting himself through these forums tells me he is not to be trusted let alone to butcher your legs.
Edit: i guess he wasnt threatening me but the forum itself? i have no clue whatever. still doesnt stop the fact of the deceitful practices of this monegals feller that i believe is going on.
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lmfao this guy.
chill there bro.
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he shouldnt have immediatly threatend me with legal action. if you understood that how desperate some of these people are and vultures like this guy are making killing off there insecuritys. im not gonna "chill" with a situation like this getting as serious as it is. these are peoples lives that can be absolutely ruined for the rest of there lives cuz of this greedy clown.
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I think he was referring to LLuser1 regarding the lawsuit. Unless... you're LLuser1?
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And the Forum; which just means the administration here who run it (I highly doubt he would sue them)
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youre right. i coulda swore i saw him quote me. my fault. that still doesn't matter at this point i know whats up with this guy. defend him if you want other people smart enough to know whats going on will. In the end of all this its there good legs not mine.
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Not defending anyone here. If he really is a shady person, then screw him. But until we have a concrete proof of his wrong doings then we can't/shouldn't really judge him. What you're saying right now is hearsay. No court will take you seriously. And if ever you decided to fight him in court, 110% you will lose. What you just did here is defamation and cyber-bullying. In addition, you threatened to destroy him in every possible way which is cyberstalking. So technically, he can send you to jail.
I'm not trying to be your enemy or an ally of his. As a concerned LLer, I advise you to calm down. Relax your self a bit since you're already having a bad day.
Like what you said, "In the end of all this its there good legs not mine." So why stress more, right?
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why would i fight him in court? i have an admission that when he accepts patients that he takes 20k in cash. it get re-edited later to 9k in cash guess he figured that you are only allowed to travel no more with 10k. you hand the doctor directly the cash reason for this was taxes. Now your right i have nothing to lose here and i should relax a bit but right now im really really really REALLY annoyed that this forum has a monegal ad on almost every. single. fking. topic. im not sure how many accounts are fake/legit but at this point it is what it is. its just so obvious. The cooper diary? him n musicmaker "when i arrived at barcelona we partied all night it was so much fun." what. the. fk. LL isnt suppose to be some pleasant experience its life altering and a massive risk to your long term health. this crap isnt some kind of honky doory walk in the park.
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Whao! Easy guys. If you want a guaranteed complication-free procedure, perhaps LL isn't for ya. Personally I think some of the members here are going overboard with their accusations. There's plenty risks associated with LL including death. If someone's not getting it, it's their problem. No one's a kid. These are all grown-ups who go through with this surgery. It's not Surgeon's responsibility to show prospective patients each and every complication on current patients. After all, Doctor's patients aren't exactly their slaves. What if the patient going through some complication refuses to meet prospective patients?
Instead of threatening to take legal action against each other, take a step back and think this through. It isn't exactly Doctor's fault if their patients praise them behind their back. And Doctor also shouldn't add fuel to fire by threatening to take legal action over some post online. A comprehensive reply would be just fine.
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I think he was referring to LLuser1 regarding the lawsuit. Unless... you're LLuser1?
Wait a sec, I thought YOU were LLuser1.. you guys registered on this forum days apart, and then were tagging off on each other on the threads. ;D
You're right, it's so easy to lose track of aliases and forget to click "logout" and then log back in with the right name. (Hang on, let me check right now if I'm logged in as the correct username before I go on a rant...ok it says "Hello glenn" on the top left of my screen so I'm set)
I guess at first I was a bit angry at having my diary being called a fake. Guys I put my heart into it, and for what? Just so I could be slandered by faceless cowards? ?? jeez.... but instead of feeling angry this has just turned downright comical. Reading all these tantrums I could have sworn ItsMyLife had returned. ;D
Whoever it is that's throwing a fit right now, listen up and just chill: I don't write about other people's LL journey because it's their lives and their privacy. How hard is that to understand? I guess only paranoid psychos that have forgotten to take their medicine would see it as a conspiracy.
Also, despite what LLuser1 thinks, Bohemia and Musicmaker are real people... with real feelings. LLuser1 or whatever name he goes by owes them an apology, man.
Peace,
Musicm...wait, I mean Bohem... nononono, I mean Glenn 8)
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Wait a sec, I thought YOU were LLuser1.. you guys registered on this forum days apart, and then were tagging off on each other on the threads. ;D
No no no. I am a legit LL prospect. I have been lurking here for months as a guest before I registered.
The cooper diary? him n musicmaker "when i arrived at barcelona we partied all night it was so much fun.
That was prolly pre-LL surgery. However, it is possible to have fun while LLing. Ask the guy who did LL in Russia. The guy who went from Jonah Hill to Zac Efron.
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Moderators—
I have created a very diligent and consistent diary over the course of the last three months, that document my journey between August 23rd to today December 8th. I shared full honesty, including both my likes and dislikes of the experience, and also photos and *videos* of my scars, stitches, lengthening, and walking—all specifically for members of this forum to enjoy as an act of charity.
Either you ban the two users in this thread who have personally slandered me, Glenn, KrP1, Musicmaker, and Dr. Monegal, or I am going to quit my diary permanently, remove my videos on Youtube, and delete my photos on Imgur.
It sucks that the toxicity of this forum has reached this, but I will not contribute to a community where a little clique tries to insult and disparage me and my friends—all of whom lengthened beside me at MIC in Barcelona.
I give you 72 hours to resolve this, otherwise I terminate my account indefinitely, and will discourage future lengtheners from joining this forum.
Formally,
Bohemia
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I have been reading this thread and it suprises me that people makes acusations with no proofs. If Dr Monegal wasnt a good doctor ,take for sure that patients should not talk good about him like we do.
Dr M recomends to do the surgey in two stages to every patient. One leg first and then the other. If we ,Patients ,do both femurs or both tibias in the same surgery is because we want it that way. I meet Bohemia and Glenn in MiCs and take for sure that what you guys can read in our diaries is the truth. This procedure is not a joke and complications could happen but the Dr has been always there if anything happen. By the moment i can only say good things about Dr Monegal.
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Recently a thread in the LL discussions got deleted by some guy calling out doctors and there deceitful practices one of names mentioned was Dr.Monegal. It seems this forum has begun doing censorship which is a damn shame because this is exactly what happened with the last forum and Sysop. A user was talking about the dishonesty of salesman in LL and mentioned Monegal. Monegal replied and immediately proceeded to threaten with a lawsuit. (defensive much? srsly who does this?)
I have been lurking monegals posts and diarys about him and came to a conclusion that he is full of deceitful bullcrap so I felt it was the time to call him out on it as well. Immediately a bunch of accounts defended him mostly new accounts. (one account (PatientZero) said i have a short guy syndrome and i wouldn't past the psychological test ) I have never seen so much ck suk in my entire life of some guy no one knows but supposedly all of a sudden hes the LL god with a cheap/perfect way of LL. Anyways i made my opinion/accusations of him No one could reply in a standard manner including the doctor. I guess he threatend the moderators to take down the thread or face charges. (which you realy cant do crap about on a public forum) i can talk crap about obama say he likes to eat brown bananas but he cant do anything. its a public forum open to any opinion is allowed. You can make a nazi forum and it will stay active n fine. Jews can bitch about it but lets say comments about benjamin netansomthing are made. Now he cant go and sue them lmao. This isnt an established business or some media company u fktwat monegal.
Spain has been going through a severe recession if not a depression and extreme economic woes. They are hinging on a total economic collapse if it has not been for the euro and basically germany.
Although i considered him as a LL option i gave it a patient approach but i had a gut feeling this guy is not who he says he is. On bohemias (i beleive this user is fake) diary he said he gave the doctor 20k cash directly (this is blatant tax evasion). I just knew I mean you don't understand how much i fking knew this was gonna be the case. so many honky doory users posting on every topic mentioning monegal. I know a con/scam artist when i see one and he has plagued this forum. His lack of temperment, the childish arguements from this "Doctor" and the amount of god damn time he spends on this forum tells me how much he is in it for the money. The entire diary is an indirect way of self promotion. Music maker Bohemia and most of the account supporting him i believe are fake and may be him or his staff.
Red flag examples:
1.Watch bohemias video when hes removing the stiches? who the hell in the right mind of a doctor acts that way when removing stitches. (or crap go read the entire diary its like a god damn advertisment for monegal you even got cost comparison charts for him and other doctors)
2.Musicmaker n cooper partied all night long in barcelona woo! aint that great? spain sounds fun. Lets forget the long term life altering risk your about to take and just pretend LL isnt gonna be so bad.
3.Literally everytime someone disagrees with monegal he throws an immediate childish tantrum with spelling that makes my typing look like a fking scholars.
4.The guy spends 24/7 on these forums. Does this guy have a life?
Hell maybe monegal is actually good at his job and his LL is the best version. But i know deceitful practices when i see it and i know manipulation. Im realy good at it myself although it seems i at least have some integrity. I have never seen a LL doctor rise to popularity as fast as he has due to every single thread having a monegal supporter on it. Even the veterans mention his name time to time at this point and again it has been proven with the last deleted thread post. I dont know which admin deleted it but they should be ashamed.
TLDR its not my legs its yours if you choose monegal i hope you know what your getting yourself into. I wouldn't trust him at all. The forum is getting a bit hostile to anyone that disagrees with him. (I believe there are many fake supporter accounts of him at this point) Also im ashamed of the moderators of Limblegtheningforum for taking down the threads.
Edit: posted this on offtopic because it will probably get deleted again if its in the LL discussion and this time im hoping we can get productive opinions not just a circlejerk of defending this (what i believe) cowardly doctor.
edit 2: email i sent to the mods.
Me: Who deleted the thread? "the dishonesty of salesman and LL". Users have a right to there own opinion to make assumptions of whats going on and can make there own personal decision. I dont understand the censorship of this forum now as this is exactly what happened with . You may not agree but i believe monegal has a lot of deceitful practices on this forum and is cooking the books by making his presence very well known by providing the illusion that he is a reliable LL method. i have seen other scam/con artists do the same exact thing he is doing and his immediate defensive tone with a lawsuit speaks volumes. Plus i heard not a single reply from him after i replied that tax evasion is a serious crime he didn't argue it or try to strike it down. smart man if this were to go to court and they see his reply. I think you guys should really start tightening down on all these monegal "supporters" i have never seen so many people jump to one specific doctor in my life. Guichet and paley earned there stripes. This greedy fool can ruin someones life in the long run.
Mod: It was moved temporarily by one of the mods until we hear back from the site admin due to the mention of legal action possibly being taken.
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I think you're reading too much into it.
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i understand some of you may try to brush this under the rug. I also believe some of you will actually wake up n understand what im talking about. Again its your legs not mine but im just trying to give people an understanding to not be completely screwed and deceived.
i dont see how im reading to much into this when one of the diary's are literally doing price comparisons to other LL methods/doctors. you cant get a bigger red flag than that.
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That was me. Since a threat of legal action was made, I thought it best to hide the thread temporarily until the forum owner has a chance to review it and make a decision, since he's the one who would be sued over it. Dr. Monegal has a business and a reputation to protect, so a threat of legal action from him carries more weight than a similar threat from someone else.
It has nothing to do with protecting Dr. Monegal from criticism or wanting to censor peoples' opinions here. I'm not going to remove this thread. You're entitled to your opinion as long as you're being civil, which you weren't in several of the removed posts.
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Please state evidence only against this doctor so i can make a judgement for myself. He is a doctor I was considering.
I was also considering doctor sarin but I read some things that made me very cautious about even going to India.
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While I disagree with Moose’s opinion on Dr. Monegal, I’m glad that he can share his opinion freely on here and others can hear it. I personally believe the diaries, hard to disbelieve given the detail, photos, videos etc, and find them extremely valuable. To some people, they may be “too good to be true.” Skepticism is very understandable and necessary given what happened in the old forum. When I chose my doctor, I wanted to learn all of the good, bad, and ugly. At that point it was up to me to do the fact checking, consultations, and meeting past and current patients to determine what info is reliable and what the right choice was for me.
There’s posts about Dr. Paley that link to a blog literally accusing him of attempted murder on a patient. I can’t think of anything more slanderous than that against a doctor, but you don’t see Dr. Paley or anyone from the Paley institute or patients on the forum up in arms about deleting those posts. It’s really hard to determine what’s true or not on the internet, and censorship of bad stuff about a doctor I think would only hurt people who genuinely wanna learn about LL and the credibility of this forum, which has been a great resource so far.
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There’s posts about Dr. Paley that link to a blog literally accusing him of attempted murder on a patient. I can’t think of anything more slanderous than that against a doctor, but you don’t see Dr. Paley or anyone from the Paley institute or patients on the forum up in arms about deleting those posts. It’s really hard to determine what’s true or not on the internet, and censorship of bad stuff about a doctor I think would only hurt people who genuinely wanna learn about LL and the credibility of this forum, which has been a great resource so far.
To be fair, it's probably because Dr. Paley is too busy to notice it. It's already hard enough to get a hold of him when you're a patient. So why would he have the time to browse these forums. Even with the criticism, he has a lot of surgeries lined up. I feel that every doctor has some bad cases involved with them. It comes with the fact that LL is not a risk-free surgery. Having said that, I advise people to not get LL unless it's a last resort. There's no magical perfect doctor who doesn't have a bad case or doesn't make mistakes. I've seen Dr. Paley make mistakes in surgery with other patients. I'm sure that the other LL doctors have made mistakes in the past as well. You're really gambling with your legs when you get LL. Make no mistake about that. Best to just not do LL if you're not willing to take the gamble.
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Please state evidence only against this doctor so i can make a judgement for myself. He is a doctor I was considering.
I was also considering doctor sarin but I read some things that made me very cautious about even going to India.
Dear Moderator
I cannot accept insults towards either me and my patients.
I cannot accept people throwing whatever comes up to their minds and throw irresponsible information and false information about my practice.
I have never ex fixed a patient and charged 7000€. That is absolutely false.
Each individual can talk about their own experience, and I fed up with toxic users (call'en trolls or whatever) attacking systematically either me and my patients who are real.
I have been doing LL for The last 11 years and takes a bit longer to become a doctor and so on..
What forum cannot accept is people as:
Forcedpuberty
Greatheigth
Heigthangel
Emef
Yemef
Lluser1
And this last specimen insulting us...this is disgusting.
He affirms something which is Not true. In sspanish we call it difamación.
He is attacking my honor and What is worst, real patients honor.
And he took a post which Was Not pointing towards him very personal. Some users sent me PM giving me all their support and saying those were clon accounts.
other acusations is I manipulate my patient s diariess. I tell Them to post whatever They Want, But be carefull in The type of Medical info They provide to prevent potential trolling attacks.
By The way, you chose If you Want to have real doctors and/or real patients, or to have These people who are toxic and most Not undergoing LL. I have Not participated in The forum and I quit until I figure out What is next step. I kept all The posts piblished yesterday because I cannot accept public dilapidation of either me and my patients and leave it That way.
It s Nothing personal But it s unacceptable. And this post or thread started with an identical post written yesterday. I suggest temporary suspension and banning of this user.
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Mr.Monegal...This comes from the bottom of my heart... but I suggest you can go fk yourself.
An account ban and suspension for a year? lol ill make another just like i believe you have made a bunch of fakes. Yeah that amount of time you invest in these forums gives me the believe your not into LL cause your such a swell guy but i think you strictly in it for financial gains especially the fact you only deal with people for about a week then send them home the rest of the lengthening journey making you waste not to much time with the patient.
Most people and most accounts may defend you but if i can get a couple (actual accounts) that agree or somewhat agree with me that somthing fishy is going on or change a single mind about you than im glad. bohema had to give you 9.5k personally in cash? (at first he posted that he gave you 20k personally in cash guess you found out you are not allowed to travel with more than 10k) tell me that isn't sketchy and in the diary it was stated the reason was for spains high taxes. Lets just say for the benefit of the doubt i feel bad towards you and think the high taxes of spain are somewhat bs. That doesn't take away from all the deceit I believe that you are spilling on here and the unnecessary and unproven rise to fame you have on these forums.
Everything about you is just absurd and i cannot believe people are giving you the benefit of the doubt or even siding with you.
You should learn to negotiate and talk, not immediately threaten. It just solidifies the deceitful clown that you are.
You cant accept peoples opinions or insults? cry more please. Welcome to the internet. Just as you have used it for your personal gains people can call you out, its a double edge sword you ahole. I'm not no media company you can bully into submission.
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I've thought Dr. Monegal was awesome so far based on the diaries. I definitely believe you should express your opinion as long as it's backed by some knowledge/evidence(because trolls), and if you aren't allowed to do that this would just turn into that old forum people moan about.
Here's something LLUser1 sent me:
(I wasn't going to post it for his privacy but then I realized he publicly posted it here so it doesn't matter)
Dr Monegal doesn’t tell the truth about his patients. He uses to prepare a tour for his prospective patients, like a salesman does. He shows them the clinic and the guesthouse but he only shows what he wants them to know.
In October some prospective patients visited Dr Monegal’s center and met some actual patients. I have visited the center. Glenn described this tour in his diary. Everything seemed fine but doctor didn’t tell all the truth to his future patients. He introduced these people to all his current patients but one girl who was also at the guesthouse and who has had very serious complications (Musicmaker??). This is for me a case of dishonesty. I learnt about this after my trip.
I can understand that this is a difficult surgery and sometimes things go wrong, but doctor said none of his patients had had complications which wasn’t true.
After the trip, I made some research. I asked some people (patients and people from the forum) and got to know that it’s not only this girl who had problems, but other people. It seems there is one American guy whose implant failed. Dr told him that he had to be exfixed and he had to pay around 7000 eur. Finally the company sent a free implant for him but it failed too and he had to go to OR again. It isn’t about money but about all the trauma and suffering for that guy. It seems he hasn’t been compensated.
I don’t have more evidence of this than what I have been told. Perhaps patients and doctor himself can explain but I think people should know about this. I feel deceived by the doctor. Dr Monegal should have acted like honest doctors do and say, ‘Look, guys, I try my best, but sometimes complications occur and these are the complications I have had’. But he lied. He said all his surgeries were fantastic and it seems there were at least two people with major complications and other people with other problems like screws getting loose and nerve problems (additional surgeries, consultations with other surgeons...).
Just to be clear this is not my analogy- just something I was sent. People have the right to information.
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Mr.Monegal...This comes from the bottom of my heart... but I suggest you can go fk yourself.
An account ban and suspension for a year? lol ill make another just like i believe you have made a bunch of fakes. Yeah that amount of time you invest in these forums gives me the believe your not into LL cause your such a swell guy but i think you strictly in it for financial gains especially the fact you only deal with people for about a week then send them home the rest of the lengthening journey making you waste not to much time with the patient.
Most people and most accounts may defend you but if i can get a couple (actual accounts) that agree or somewhat agree with me that somthing fishy is going on or change a single mind about you than im glad. bohema had to give you 9.5k personally in cash? (at first he posted that he gave you 20k personally in cash guess you found out you are not allowed to travel with more than 10k) tell me that isn't sketchy and in the diary it was stated the reason was for spains high taxes. Lets just say for the benefit of the doubt i feel bad towards you and think the high taxes of spain are somewhat bs. That doesn't take away from all the deceit I believe that you are spilling on here and the unnecessary and unproven rise to fame you have on these forums.
Everything about you is just absurd and i cannot believe people are giving you the benefit of the doubt or even siding with you.
You should learn to negotiate and talk, not immediately threaten. It just solidifies the deceitful clown that you are.
You cant accept peoples opinions or insults? cry more please. Welcome to the internet. Just as you have used it for your personal gains people can call you out, its a double edge sword you ahole. I'm not no media company you can bully into submission.
Quick question; why do you feel so negative towards Alex? Have you actually had a bad lengthening experience with him?
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Quick question; why do you feel so negative towards Alex? Have you actually had a bad lengthening experience with him?
Im going to tell you a story of a guy who gloated about being an entrepreneur and was pretty wealthy and successful at a young age selling products. Now you see the results and cant help but respect this man and what he has achieved. You try to follow his formula. You later find out all his products are bullcrap ebooks on "how to get rich fast" pay me 60$ or pay me 200$ for this bullcrap product. All his products were manipulative ways of getting someone to purchase his garbage. Once he got the money its done deal he won he could care less what happens afterwards. Basically he is a scam/con artist. He poses as an entrepreneur saying he sells products which is all true but you always gotta dig a little deeper with people.
In this situation it isn't just peoples money. Its peoples long term health. That alone is enough for me to decide to step in.
Like i said before Spain is going through some major economic troubles.
War, poverty, revolution. They all hinge on economics and economics depends on one key concept. Money. Money... the economic water which we live our lives. We even call it currency. It carries us in its wake, drowns those who are not careful. We use it everyday in nearly every transaction we conduct. We spend our lives working for it Worrying about it, Saving it, Spending it, Pinching it. It defines your social status, It compromises our morals, people are willing to fight, die, and kill for it.
if your going give me a question why i feel negative towards him give me a better question than if i had a bad lengthening experience. If you read closely i said his procedure may be a good LL method but that does not give him a pass on all the deceiving practices he has done on this forum. What he has done surprisingly has continually just rub me the wrong way. I tried to ignore it and give the benefit of the doubt that maybe as more people go to him that maybe just maybe this guy is legit. But as more and more people started catering to him and every forum post had him mentioned it started to really bother me. Yeah i could have ignored all of this and just said fk it its not my legs but it seemed just about all the diarys seem so ingenuine.
I know people and I trust my gut. I am what i am and other people are what they are. I felt like this deceitful practices of this man has gone long enough and felt like stepping in that is all there is to it.
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Moose,
Reading your last few post's you seems to have good intentions but at the Same time it is important to maintain decorum and respect the rules of engagement when using a public platform. Freedom of speech is not absolute, if it were than we will be back in dark ages.
I think you do raise some interesting questions whether assumptions you made are correct, I am not so sure. I believe it is important to keep in mind that Dr. Monegal has made himself available and answered people's questions, which I consider to be a valuable contributions irrespective of intentions behind. I think monegal might be a good option but there is always a slight doubt when some thing seems too good to be.....
By all means express your thoughts but suggest to not stoop to a level where you main point will get lost in name calling and insult trading. IMO it is possible to make your point in an objectively intelligent manner that will give you greater audience, if it were to be so.
Take care and don't take my comments in the right spirit.
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Moose,
Stop being butthurt. You do have a short guy syndrome dude, and you haven't passed a single psychological evaluation. If you did, you'd be doing LL by now and wouldn't spend all your time on this forum making 3rd grade level arguments.
Dr. Monegal might have some unexplained questions, but the way you go about addressing them is childish at best. Have you read your own posts?
Tell me of a doctor that is not doing cosmetic LL for money. Dr. Mahboubian in Los Angeles runs massive billboards off the freeway advertising his services. You think Paley spent decades innovating this field so he can help 5'10 dudes get a modeling job? This is real life kid, I think you are on the cusp of figuring it out.
Also, how can you say that Bohemia's diary is fake? Have you seen the leopard tights and platform boots? That kind of can't be made up.
PatientZero 2 - Moose 0
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Im going to tell you a story of a guy who gloated about being an entrepreneur and was pretty wealthy and successful at a young age selling products. Now you see the results and cant help but respect this man and what he has achieved. You try to follow his formula. You later find out all his products are bullcrap ebooks on "how to get rich fast" pay me 60$ or pay me 200$ for this bullcrap product. All his products were manipulative ways of getting someone to purchase his garbage. Once he got the money its done deal he won he could care less what happens afterwards. Basically he is a scam/con artist. He poses as an entrepreneur saying he sells products which is all true but you always gotta dig a little deeper with people.
In this situation it isn't just peoples money. Its peoples long term health. That alone is enough for me to decide to step in.
Like i said before Spain is going through some major economic troubles.
War, poverty, revolution. They all hinge on economics and economics depends on one key concept. Money. Money... the economic water which we live our lives. We even call it currency. It carries us in its wake, drowns those who are not careful. We use it everyday in nearly every transaction we conduct. We spend our lives working for it Worrying about it, Saving it, Spending it, Pinching it. It defines your social status, It compromises our morals, people are willing to fight, die, and kill for it.
if your going give me a question why i feel negative towards him give me a better question than if i had a bad lengthening experience. If you read closely i said his procedure may be a good LL method but that does not give him a pass on all the deceiving practices he has done on this forum. What he has done surprisingly has continually just rub me the wrong way. I tried to ignore it and give the benefit of the doubt that maybe as more people go to him that maybe just maybe this guy is legit. But as more and more people started catering to him and every forum post had him mentioned it started to really bother me. Yeah i could have ignored all of this and just said fk it its not my legs but it seemed just about all the diarys seem so ingenuine.
I know people and I trust my gut. I am what i am and other people are what they are. I felt like this deceitful practices of this man has gone long enough and felt like stepping in that is all there is to it.
First of all, get to the point in your posts. You ramble on and on and through all of the unnecessary garbage, don't even make a clear point.
You have told us, "maybe monegal is actually good at his job and his LL is the best version."
So you tell us he's a good doctor while trying to make a point that he is not to be trusted????? That makes no sense. All we care about is whether the guy is good at his job. We don't care if he doesn't pay his tax, we don't care that his country is in recession. You spit out so much irrelevant bull that it's hard to pin point the actual reason you are paying the guy out.
Then you go on to say, "I have been lurking monegals posts and diarys about him and came to a conclusion that he is full of deceitful bullcrap.... i had a gut feeling this guy is not who he says he is."
Right.
You just randomly had a gut feeling?? No proof, no evidence. Just a gut feeling. Then decided to start speaking ill of Dr Alex accusing him of being deceitful.. Where is this deceit?? Where are the people that have been deceived. This is a public forum after all, just cut and paste your proof to this thread. It's easy..... But no, you don't have proof. You just have a gutt feeling. You are willing to drag this mans name through the dirt (and tell us he's good at his job simultaneously, which still makes no fking sense to me) for no apparent reason. You are a troll. Speaking without proof is slander.. All you are is a big drama queen. I can see why Alex would be pissed at you. You aren't civil and you clearly have nothing to better to do then write paragraphs of crap which amount to nothing.
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It would be sad if this very informative forum become a place for insults and harmful defamation.
Moose, if you don't like Dr. Monegal you have all the right to say it, but strong accusations require strong evidences. You have provided none. Fake diaries? Tax evasion? Deceitful practices? Post your evidences. And btw, "I know people and I trust my gut" does not qualify as an "evidence".
Like i said before Spain is going through some major economic troubles.
War, poverty, revolution.
This is ridiculous. Spain at war? Are you being serious? Of course we had (and still have) some economic struggles (like any other country in South Europe), but not even during the toughest years of the recession (2011-2013) there was something like a "war". Using this kind of exaggerations to support your arguments is absurd.
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It makes me laught that you call Dr Monegal money maker when he is the cheapest doctor for internals with fitbone and maybe the cheapest for internals in a developed country. Thankfully to him a lot of patients that havent got the money to do internals with other doctors could do it and dont need to suffer with other older methods.You say that Bohemia's diary is fake and I know him personally and Glenn too. the same you know that some prospective patients came to the MiC's you should know that they all meet bohemia, Glenn and me . So where is the fake? Or not real patients?
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It makes me laught that you call Dr Monegal money maker when he is the cheapest doctor for internals with fitbone and maybe the cheapest for internals in a developed country. Thankfully to him a lot of patients that havent got the money to do internals with other doctors could do it and dont need to suffer with other older methods.You say that Bohemia's diary is fake and I know him personally and Glenn too. the same you know that some prospective patients came to the MiC's you should know that they all meet bohemia, Glenn and me . So where is the fake? Or not real patients?
When I visited Dr Monegal, I spoke with a patient with LL in two stage too beside he gave the whatsapp of the patient, and I have been chating with him about all the things about LL and the recovery.
I think it is the best way to know about a doctor, the personal experience of a patient.
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I am loving all these aggressive defense of this doctor. Not a single person here has even remotely questioned it other than penguinn. The rest of you seemed to automatically jump to the doctors aid (im not sure why is he giving you a coupon for LL? lol) No Spain isnt at war.Thats not what i was saying you clown learn to read. I was making a strong case as for why people do what they do for money. Some people go about it with integrity and want to help people and it so happens to make money. Other people will be cutthroat and do anything for it.
about the leopard boots in bohemias diary i thought he was a dude? it looks like a chick in that picture.
So patientzero a question for you would be you were staring at this forum for about 12 hours what took you so long to reply? choosing your words carefully? you can add another tally to your worthless score against me. hell make it patientzero 999-0 lmao whatever makes you feel better.
I have yet to see any rational argument other than "oh moose you hate the doctor so much." lmao
The only people who are going to comment are going to be the ones who are riding monegal. The others who i believe i have at least made them question will not say anything to not deal with the hostility of the monegal mob. I have given more evidence other than "i trust my gut" although that is a big part of it. You want to ignore it and highlight a segment that suits your argument thats fine i could care less. People will make there decisions. I have already made my impact.
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I am loving all these aggressive defense of this doctor. Not a single person here has even remotely questioned it other than penguinn. The rest of you seemed to automatically jump to the doctors aid (im not sure why is he giving you a coupon for LL?
I have yet to see any rational argument other than "oh moose you hate the doctor so much." lmao
The only people who are going to comment are going to be the ones who are riding monegal.
You couldn't be more wrong. Not everyone who is not agreeing with you automatically becomes Alex's PR Rep. I assume you haven't read my earlier comment carefully.
Btw I wanted to write earlier that I hope you took my comments in the right spirit but it seems you didn't. If you have believe that Alex might be using his patients to market himself, I think it is possible to point this out and call out some of his practices you don't agree with on ethical grounds without making personal and going OTT with your accusations.
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I have given more evidence other than "i trust my gut" although that is a big part of it.
False. You have given zero evidence. You have only mention your guts, expressed your suspicion about a bunch of diaries, and said something about "an American patient" with a complication. Where are the evidences?
Oh wait, now you say that Bohemia looks like a girl with those boots. Maybe that's the ultimate evidence for you.
Plus, you are insulting, proving your lack of temper and education. I don't know why I even bother replying you.
I have already made my impact.
Aye. We all agree with that. Thanks for finally revealing your true motivations. 10/10 troll -> made me reply
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Aye. We all agree with that. Thanks for finally revealing your true motivations. 10/10 troll -> made me reply
Errr good thing i feel like your the troll in this. its alright i continue to receive personal thank you messages for calling it out. You guys can keep trying to twist this to your way. normal people are smart enough to realize whats going on and have there own opinions.
Edit: To those who are sending me thank you messages i want you to know i am getting them and thank you also, i'm glad i know all of this hasn't been meaningless. Even if i kept one of you reconsidering i have done my job.
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Why is everyone attacking me on my lack of education? i really dont understand. I have an IT engineering degree. I make a solid amount. I know more about politics, economics, people in general than you will in your entire lifetime. Of all things to attack me on for my posts you attack my education? that is fking hilarious.
Edit: seems like some people are deleting there posts and reediting them after i made this comment. Im starting to really feel like they all were the same individuals as all had the same themed insults towards me. Oh man this is getting better and better.
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Since I was one of those prospective patients in october, I feel I need to write something.....
1. About the user Moose: First of all, telling people to fk off is just immature, however this is the internet and people are always insulting each other with racist, sexistic, and lying comments, so im not surprised....What Moose says is in my opinion is just nonsens since the evidence is just, bohemia paying cash, spains bad economy, and monegal beeing on the forum....His comments should not be taken seriously....
2. About LLuser1....If he is the person I think he is, he was one of the guys that visited Mic in october.....He accuses Monegal for beeing dishonest in the sence that he witheld information about Musicmaker and other patients that had complications when Monegal said there was no complications......The truth is that Monegal said "I have never had a major complication like a non-union, but there is always a risk with surgery".......LLuser1 has in the past done surgery with one of the top surgeons who really screwed him up in one of the worst ways.. so for LLuser1 to be suspicous about LL doctors and feel that Monegal was dishonest that musicmakers case was not mentioned during our consultation, I can understand him....
3.About the accusation that Monegal exfixed and charged 7000 euros for complications:. Lluser1 says he only has his source as proof and also asks Monegal to clearify this...So Monegal clearify this by saying this is a lie, that he did not charge any extra. Monegal has always told me that he would not charge me for complications, so my opinion is that Monegal speaks the truth and that LLuser1s source is false!
4. About the fact that the patients diaries are fake and full of : Bohemia and glenn are real people, I met them....Both of them breeze through the process, especially Bohemia....I guess some people are lucky like that...just look at shyshy and the guy "chump" in the Guichet video, he freakin dances at 5 cm....
The odd thing is the LLuser1 met Bohemia so dont know why he is calling it full of ....
5. About Monegal beeing a salesman....Dont believe so, Baumgart charges double what Monegal does, with the same nail from the same company, thats a real fact so....
To conclude: Everything that has been written about Monegal and his patients I believe is false, except the part when Monegal said there was no major complication.....Musicmaker I believe suffered some complications....And he should have told us about that case....
However with that said the complication doesent need to be the doctors fault....and complications can happen with all good doctors, the important thing is when a complication do arise the doctor knows what to do and tries to fix the problem as best as he can....
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1. About the user Moose: First of all, telling people to fk off is just immature, however this is the internet and people are always insulting each other with racist, sexistic, and lying comments, so im not surprised....What Moose says is in my opinion is just nonsens since the evidence is just, bohemia paying cash, spains bad economy, and monegal beeing on the forum....His comments should not be taken seriously....
Please i have yet to see someone counter argue how giving Monegal Straight up Cash isnt Sketchy what so ever. Please enlighten me. Im guessing this is monegal or another staff member of his because this is same crap that has been spewed out over n over. Ive noticed monegal even after saying that hes done with these forums yet hes still on here looking at this thread for the past 24hours.
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The reason is pretty obvious....the goverment will take most of the money thats why....and then maybe monegal has to raise the price so he can get the same profit...I mean he is still a working man and needs to do a profit just like everyone....so by giving it in cash he can keep the price low...thats my guess, and i think its a good thing for us patients.....And no im not a staff member LoL....just a regular dude who wants to get taller.....I appreciate you trying to call out bad doctors, but alex is not one of those, and that is just my opinion since I met him, and his patients and talked to Musicmaker
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The reason is pretty obvious....the goverment will take most of the money thats why....and then maybe monegal has to raise the price so he can get the same profit...I mean he is still a working man and needs to do a profit just like everyone....so by giving it in cash he can keep the price low...thats my guess, and i think its a good thing for us patients.....And no im not a staff member LoL....just a regular dude who wants to get taller.....I appreciate you trying to call out bad doctors, but alex is not one of those, and that is just my opinion since I met him, and his patients and talked to Musicmaker
Sorry mouthpiece of monegal. I want Monegal to answer that question not you. You have defended him enough he been looking at this forum for awhile now watching you all defend him im sure he is capable of that himself and knows how to type.
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War, poverty, revolution. They all hinge on economics and economics depends on one key concept. Money. Money... the economic water which we live our lives. We even call it currency. It carries us in its wake, drowns those who are not careful. We use it everyday in nearly every transaction we conduct. We spend our lives working for it Worrying about it, Saving it, Spending it, Pinching it. It defines your social status, It compromises our morals, people are willing to fight, die, and kill for it.
This sounds like a part of a narrative. Oh wait... found it. Start at 2:21.
https://youtu.be/5IJeemTQ7Vk?t=2m21s
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The reason I write is not to defend Monegal, but to tell the truth from my perspective, not for your or Monegal sake, but for all old forum members who is following this thread and want to gow taller...They deserve to know whats a lie and whats not
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That patient who criticized the doctor has balls man...
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The reason I write is not to defend Monegal, but to tell the truth from my perspective, not for your or Monegal sake, but for all old forum members who is following this thread and want to gow taller...They deserve to know whats a lie and whats not
Aww thats so cute. Now go take a nap on monegals lap now. youve done a good job. tell your caretaker that he can defend himself anytime now.
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This sounds like a part of a narrative. Oh wait... found it. Start at 2:21.
https://youtu.be/5IJeemTQ7Vk?t=2m21s
Thats right its a great documentary you should watch it. That is my favorite quote.
was about to post it myself but thought why not just quote it. makes life easier. anyways back to the subject kthx.
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Haha now your just entertaining....so obvious your trolling, suits me well since im at work, bored to death....tnx dude^^
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Haha now your just entertaining....so obvious your trolling, suits me well since im at work, bored to death....tnx dude^^
omg same here! life is crazy right? im not surprised it seems you and monegal are always bored to death and scowering these forums. so convinent ;)
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I had my surgery with Alex Monegal on 18th in february. I am very happy with the results.
I lengthened 6cm in my tibias. I think the results are the same that another top doctors like guichet, paley or betz. But with these doctor i couldn't achieve my dream to be taller.
I only can tell: MANY THANKS ALEX.
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Can everyone stop replying to this guy now. It serves no purpose anymore because he's purely just loving the attention and the drama. It doesn't matter what you say to him because he lacks the intelligence to address the arguments that have been presented to him.
My favourite quote; it's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.
Everyone should just quit while they're ahead. This thread isn't accomplishing anything.
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He has defended himself in previous posts. Didn't you see that? Patients have the right to express their opinions too. If doctor replies, you think it's bad. If patients reply, you think it's bad. For you everything is bad.
I think this situation is slightly different, sorry to break it to you.
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Dear Users
1 I am not connected 24h, But I do It from my cellphone and left LL Forum webpage open. I have performed 4 surgeries today...i am pretty busy.
2 LLUser was none of the 3 people visiting in october.
3 LL is difficult. No doctor escapes from complications. But all patients to throught a consent form in which they can find all complications that may occur. Having said that, you cannot escape from complications such as fracture after patient fall or implant malfunction. Not even after having done a perfect surgical procedure. I think This cannot be doctor s
4 none of the people writing here works for me. I have my surgical team But do not even have a webpage site...so makes no sense to have a community manager.
5 avoid taxes? Let me say It that way. Have been working for 15 years, I Pay my taxes and have never had issues with tax office in spain. Every single procedure I perform need an OR rental which I Pay and the invoice goes directly to the tax office here in spain. So I have to show them all my activity, income derived from my activity in any single procedure otherwise This Will cause missmatch and we would get an Inspection. Problem comes when I perform free cost procedure to some patients
6 moneymaker? As said..i do operate for free patients in prívate practice when they cannot afford It. Last one a few days ago. I have Also paid expenses of some patients when they needed to.
7 giving complication details? Well, in spain It is forbidden to give prívate patient information without signing patient authorization. I think that giving This information migth violate privacy laws
I am lucky to say most patients are doing very Well and they remain True and thankful towards me. Call It promotion or bumlicking But I feel proud reading their posts.
Yes I Did have a rought case, happy to say now doing fine Thanks to surgical skills and patient s determination to recover. This helps, and not toxic posts or attacks.
8 manipulating patients? I always Tell them to post whatever they feel that migth help other patients or potential patients. And I do warn them. Yes I warn them about Medical info they migth share to prevent them from people like you.
9 I do limb reconstruction procedures. That d What I do in life for living. People with massive problems and who need help. And I do This everyday. I am doing LL in patients with discrepancies, dwarf kids, patients with malformations.. I Also perform bone transport. Treat bone infections. Complex limb allignment....What other orthopaedic surgeons say "cases no one likes to perform".
This requires a Long and complex trainnig and deserves respect.
I hope you or one of your kids (if you ever have one) Will never need major orthopaedic limb reconstruction. I can remember kids avoiding amputation under my care! If you ever need This I wish you find a doctor like me. Someone who cares and who has the patience and dedication to focus in your case and offer a solution.
I do receive patients from other doctors with major complications. And I fix them. But you Will never see me posting crap in any other doctor or saying don t to to This guy. You Did It...your choice. This probably makes you happy and feel proud in the nitchy earthqwake you caused here.
To other people sigth, you are miserable.
It makes no impact on me. I have patients already booked untill october next year. Tomorrow morning i Will wake up At 7 and Will goto university hospital to help someone. Keep This in mind... While I am out there helping people you are behind an alias, behind a keyboard helping no one But your ego.
By the way, you seem intelligent But you migth need a proper manners teacher rather than a computer or engineer degree. Anyone has one of these By spending sometime At university.
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5 avoid taxes? Let me say It that way. Have been working for 15 years, I Pay my taxes and have never had issues with tax office in spain. Every single procedure I perform need an OR rental which I Pay and the invoice goes directly to the tax office here in spain. So I have to show them all my activity, income derived from my activity in any single procedure otherwise This Will cause missmatch and we would get an Inspection. Problem comes when I perform free cost procedure to some patients
I dont care if you claim you are paying taxes (anyone can claim that) answer the question on why people are supposedly giving you cash personally and conveniently enough right under the 10k mark now (before it seemed it was posted at 20k)
Lets not kid you are not that busy ever. You usually reply almost immediately like you did the other day with the threat of a lawsuit.
Sidenote: i don't care about LLuser he was the one who just triggered me to make an opinion on the matter as well. Then you immediatly threatened with a lawsuit. You shouldn't have done that. (obviously you realize that now)
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By the way, you seem intelligent But you migth need a proper manners teacher rather than a computer or engineer degree. Anyone has one of these By spending sometime At university.
Damn, I hope you can treat burns too. Haha ;D
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Damn, I hope you can treat burns too. Haha ;D
please go back sit down, the big boys are talking. kthx.
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Damn, I hope you can treat burns too. Haha ;D
Hehe... ii joku 9/10
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Damn, I hope you can treat burns too. Haha ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
This drama went from comical, to sad.....and now back to comical again! Good job!!
..And yes, the big boys ARE talking... it's just that the one child in the room is refusing to listen. ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
This drama went from comical, to sad.....and now back to comical again! Good job!!
..And yes, the big boys ARE talking... it's just that the one manchild in the room is refusing to listen. ;D
ftfy
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Just noticed something guys. PatientZero and Tiny have yet to be logged in on this forum at the same time. Both there accounts have been created around the same time period as well. Food for thought.
I keep getting personal messages to keep up the good posts. I don't think you guys know how much you all are discrediting yourselves. lol.
I think think i have a little more merit to my accusations at this point. Thank you.
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You ask other users to learn to read first.
Lawsuit was not threatenning you.
If you go throught It you Will see It clearly.
About 10k or 9k ish..
It s Just a rate. Shall I raise It?
Listen I think that s none of the business here. It s Just a rate.
I receive patients from worldwide and some of them freak out wire transfering more than 35000€
I have to Pay 7 other people But me, involved in a procedure. This makes easier to clear their ammounts. But Yes they can wire If they like.
FYI due to the increase of cases in the Last months I am creating a LTD and all patients Will wire everything throught It. Having said that I wish you are happy now and I wish you the best in life.
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You ask other users to learn to read first.
Lawsuit was not threatenning you.
If you go throught It you Will see It clearly.
About 10k or 9k ish..
It s Just a rate. Shall I raise It?
Listen I think that s none of the business here. It s Just a rate.
I receive patients from worldwide and some of them freak out wire transfering more than 35000€
I have to Pay 7 other people But me, involved in a procedure. This makes easier to clear their ammounts. But Yes they can wire If they like.
FYI due to the increase of cases in the Last months I am creating a LTD and all patients Will wire everything throught It. Having said that I wish you are happy now and I wish you the best in life.
Perfect Thank you for personally confirming.
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Just noticed something guys. PatientZero and Tiny have yet to be logged in on this forum at the same time. Both there accounts have been created around the same time period as well. Food for thought.
I keep getting personal messages to keep up the good posts. I don't think you guys know how much you all are discrediting yourselves. lol.
I think think i have a little more merit to my accusations at this point. Thank you.
Lmfao. This guy. Paranoid as fk.
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Lmfao. This guy. Paranoid and delusional as fk.
ftfy too ;D
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Holy Moose this is you.
Paranoid personality disorder (PPD) is a mental disorder characterized by paranoia and a pervasive, long-standing suspiciousness and generalized mistrust of others. Individuals with this personality disorder may be hypersensitive, easily feel slighted, and habitually relate to the world by vigilant scanning of the environment for clues or suggestions that may validate their fears or biases. Paranoid individuals are eager observers. They think they are in danger and look for signs and threats of that danger, potentially not appreciating other evidence.
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LMFAO tooo !!!
If he knows all those details about not being able to log in the forum from two accounts at the same time it's because he has multiple accounts.
Ladies and getlemen, make your betZ... Moose's is a clone account of a) Forced Puberty, b) Yemef, c) LLUser, d) all of them!!
Guys don't be mean. Heightangel/Truthtell has already worked very hard to improve the quality of his attacks this time. ;D
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Moose is a Redskins fan, and he reminds me of the time I drove through Spokane,WA and stopped by Subways. Inside the bathroom they had a needle collections box. I think he is representative of that drug abusing locale: uneducated, depressed, maybe unemployed, and most definitely a fudge packer.
Also you guys won't believe this, but President Obama just messaged me on my positive contributions to this board.
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I feel like i should report your ass to spain authorities. Tax evasion is a serious crime fkboy monegal. I know who you are you dont know who i am. I win you worthless sack of crap.
im having a bad day already with the redskins losing to the cowboys you just added the fking cherry on top. Now i have somthing to direct my rage on.
I was taking the other rant you made half-seriously until I read this. You need a psychiatrist.
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Dear users
I cannot understand How moderators can manipulate This site.
Yesterday after I clarified several points to user Moose (very politely By the way) This thread disappeared from LL forum.
Today It seems they put It back But for 'some reason' with a selective mode.
They made disappear some relevant info, But decided to keep others that in my opinion contain defamation, false accusation, insults and so on. I have screenshots that proves it
Probably This went to far. Maybe I got lost in translation. I Did not thread Moose personally.
I cannot understand How a forum can publish false accusations, insults, Medical information, Medical advice by non-trainned individuals and leave It that way.
I clarified myself yesterday But apparently This is not interesting here.
Probably opinion of LL doctors (let s say me or Franz) or real patients, is not interesting here.
No problem. From now I cannot post anymore here as I don t feel as free as other 'users' whose only point is causing harm to the 'real' limb lengthening community.
Have a nice Day.
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Moderators—
I have created a very diligent and consistent diary over the course of the last three months, that document my journey between August 23rd to today December 8th. I shared full honesty, including both my likes and dislikes of the experience, and also photos and *videos* of my scars, stitches, lengthening, and walking—all specifically for members of this forum to enjoy as an act of charity.
Either you ban the two users in this thread who have personally slandered me, Glenn, KrP1, Musicmaker, and Dr. Monegal, or I am going to quit my diary permanently, remove my videos on Youtube, and delete my photos on Imgur.
It sucks that the toxicity of this forum has reached this, but I will not contribute to a community where a little clique tries to insult and disparage me and my friends—all of whom lengthened beside me at MIC in Barcelona.
I give you 72 hours to resolve this, otherwise I terminate my account indefinitely, and will discourage future lengtheners from joining this forum.
Formally,
Bohemia
Bohemia think if you remove your diary, nobody knows how the doctor Monegal works, I think that the patient´s diary is the best way to knoew how a doctor works.
Its just my opinion. But all the people can split the true, the personal experience of Sweeden, Glenn, DoingItForMe with different doctors is the most important thing.
If you remowe your diary, that people will reach their goal.
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The two threads in question were temporarily hidden until the site owner could be contacted about what to do about the situation here. The owner of the site decided that the threads should be put back, minus some of the overly-heated, hostile posts contained within. If you feel that some relevant information was also removed, feel free to post it again and it won't be deleted.
It was also decided that free speech and the open exchange of information are valued here, which even includes criticism of doctors by laypeople. It's up to the reader to decide who to believe. I don't think most people were taking Moose and LLuser1 seriously anyway.
If you're unhappy that a post was or wasn't deleted, please contact one of the moderators and ask for something to be done about it. We're open to hearing your opinions and ideas about how to make the forum better via private message. Let's keep the forum about LL and not about what the moderators should or shouldn't have done.
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2nd Update: Moose insulting and childish arguments with other members will be removed shortly, sufficient time has been allowed for everyone to read what was posted for the sake of transparency.
Update:
The two topics have been merged. Therefore the post numbers updated as follows after merging the topics.
Posts 13, 25, 27 by Moose & Tiny have been brought back. These are the posts that were removed from the original thread. Now everyone can read them again and decide whether they add or distract from the original topic.
Post #13 is in clear violation of the forum rules and will be removed later, but has been brought back temporarily in the interest of transparency so people can read everything as it was before it was edited.
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After all this, don’t you think this guy deserves to be banned? I support freedom of speech, but that’s too much, in my opinion. Just food for thought...
He is banned.
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Just a trick to understand if a doctor (any doctor) is a serious surgeon or not: if he is too much harassing with the patient to operate him or if his main argument of conversation is the cost of the surgery. If he acts like that, he is just a business man for sure...
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Forum members should be allowed to be publicly skeptical of doctors and explain why they think a doctor might be shady... BUT they must do so in a respectful manner without resorting to profanity and name-calling.
It would be nice if people wouldn't spread rumors as if they were confirmed fact, but such is life.
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He is banned.
Thank god for that..
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Funny how we keep losing established helpful doctors because this forum lets anonymous idiots insult them. No sane doctor will (or should) come here after long hours to get pissed on.
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I’m annoyed by some of your accusations. I’m a respectful user using his freedom of speech. I’ve merely posted my personal opinion and asked the doctor and his patients to clarify some aspects I wasn’t sure about. You can’t take legal action against me because basically I’m telling the truth. When I wasn’t sure about details, I asked you to clarify. I haven’t committed any offense.
That day in October you told your future patients that you didn’t have any bad cases and when you visited the guesthouse with them you hid the girl from the prospective patients because she was having very serious complications. None of you have denied that fact. This is NOT a honest approach. A good doctor should have recognized that he has bad cases and show how he solves problems. Guichet shows his statistics to all his prospective patients; you tell all your future patients only positive things as salesmen do. I want people to know that you aren’t telling the whole truth when they visit you because such an important surgical decision must be taken only when having all the data in mind.
After my trip, I talked to some people and I learned about that girl (Musicmaker in the forum) and more patients with complications like problems with screws, nerve damage, malfunction of implants... Some people said that you used to answer all their emails thoroughly but later became carelessness (forgetting prescription of heparine shots). I’m sorry but people are in their right to know that you aren’t playing fair. It isn’t defamation. It’s just freedom of speech.
You can ask your patients to defend you, but nobody will take them seriously because they are still under your supervision and will be until you remove their nails in 2 years. Besides, if you pushed them to lie, you would be committing a crime, abuse of power.
And your patients, we can’t blame your patients if they are too scared to speak publicly. We have all witnessed your tantrums.
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FROM ANOTHER SITE (BUT IT'S USEFUL HERE TOO)
It has come to our attention that some Leg Lengthening surgeons in developing countries have encouraged their patients to write positive reviews to be submitted to Short Persons Support. This is done while patients are still being cared for. Patients have reported that they feel pressured to do so, in order to receive proper care. To reduce this burden on patients, who are undergoing severe physical rehabilitation, we have decided to permanently discontinue posting reviews about leg lengthening surgeons.
With the use of IP analysis tools, we have also found that some doctors have written positive reviews for themselves or negative reviews about their competitors. These reviews have not been posted.
It is truly shameful that such professionals, who have dedicated so much time and effort to excel in their field, and who should have earned our utmost respect and admiration, have sunk so low.
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This is all very cloak and dagger. Can you post the screen shots of the evidence.
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This is all very cloak and dagger. Can you post the screen shots of the evidence.
It's on the Short Person Support website under leg lengthening tab. It's pretty much copied and pasted from the website, and really, adds nothing to the discussion. I can't even confirm when that post was made since there's no timestamp and it looks like SPS hasn't been updated in a long time. Anyways I'm 90% sure this was ages ago and it never specifies a particular doctor so eh?
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I think this was made in reference to the feud between two Egyptian doctors (Elbatrawy and one other guy) that was going on years ago, when ShortSupport was still being updated.
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It was made in reference to them but other doctors here are acting like that as well and all forum users should become aware. Business is their main priority no matter what they say.
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I don't want to offend anyone with a false accusation but I have been having a feeling lately that some diaries may be fake because they seem too good to be true and very formulaic (written in a very similar/the same way). Obviously I really hope they are real because the doctors they concern are the doctors I am considering - Russian Dr's and some Indian (mainly Dr. Sringari). Some of these diaries may be on the old forum, I forget.
My question is has anyone else been having this feeling lately?, or am I being paranoid. Obviously a very large part of deciding which doctor to go with is to consult with him but diaries/testimonials are very useful too, if they are real.
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Apparently some doctors write positive reviews in their spare time. Other doctors put pressure on patients to write positive reviews. Some diaries are full of lies and hide the truth and people say some have been written by fake users.
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I've read that Dr. Sarin did that.
Also weren't you the "Monegal is a fraud" conspiracy theorist? :-X
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I've read that Dr. Sarin did that.
Also weren't you the "Monegal is a fraud" conspiracy theorist? :-X
Dr Sarin and other doctors from developing countries did that. Some may be doing that now. I am not a conspiracy theorist, I haven't said Monegal is a 'fraud' but it's a fact he doesn't tell the truth and has a high rate of complications.
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What other docs except Sarin?
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Dear Lluser1
It seems that you are focused in trolling Either menor Fitbone Too much.
I do not hide Any information, you are all aware about LL complications here.
Hight rate? I did operate 47 patients in the last 14 months.
Had only one complication after a patient felt and fractured femur. Other like screw loosening LL doctors do not consider it a complication, Just a problem that can be solved easily.
I am lucky to say I did not have Any bone infection, misalignment, non-Union, compartment syndrome, drop foot after nerve injury, fat embolism syndrome or death.
The list can be longer as you may know.
So due to the nature of complications you can have when LL my rate is quite nitchy.
LL is tricky and no doctor can escape from them (even when doing a perfect surgery).
I would say no LL surgeon is fraud as it takes a lot of training and effort to get There. Sometimes it would be good If you could, to think about our position. Because doctors do suffer a lot when a complication arises, and the one who is going to give you the solution is Your LL doctor.
I do fix Many complications from other doctors, But you will never ser me calling them a fraud, saying don t go There or giving false testimonials as you did. None of my patients is false. You can come whenever you want to Brcelona and check it yourself. By the way it would be the first time you come here. So don t miss the chance.
Happy new year to all users.
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Alright, the diaries are unlocked! Would kill for some updates in this diary and the other Monegal diaries! The doctors reputation has been slandered the last weeks, an update from his patients would be good.
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What's the point in reading diaries that don't tell the whole truth? I am glad they've been unlocked but they aren't that useful. Glenn hasn't completed his surgeries yet. He won't say anything bad about the doctor.
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What's the point in reading diaries that don't tell the whole truth? I am glad they've been unlocked but they aren't that useful. Glenn hasn't completed his surgeries yet. He won't say anything bad about the doctor.
So by your logic, everyone who is currently lengthening and is giving us insight into this surgery should just shut up?
Do you have any idea how absurd that sounds. Stop letting your own personal bias into the forums if you're not going to be constructive and reasonable. On a side note, have yet to see your proof against this doctor.
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No that's not the point, but Monegal's diaries must be scrutinized because Doctor Monegal himself is connected all day to the forum and allows no freedom of speech (some patients told me).
IMO, patients should post here but readers should read carefully and not be mislead. Would you post anything negative if your doctor is watching you? Just be careful with that.
Patients themselves told me all this.
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I'll just state this, from my perspective this doesn't change much. You've yet to prove your claims, you keep saying they told you this but never seem to say who or have them come and tell it to the rest of us.
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I can't disclose that information (it's illegal), but you can visit the guesthouse and ask the staff.
I'm sure after rod removal some patients will tell the truth too.
The worst part isn't the fact there are complications, because Paley has complications too, the problem was the doctor trying to hide them (unlike Guichet).
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I can't disclose that information (it's illegal), but you can visit the guesthouse and ask the staff.
I'm sure after rod removal some patients will tell the truth too.
The worst part isn't the fact there are complications, because Paley has complications too, the problem was the doctor trying to hide them (unlike Guichet).
Doctors are bound by the patient doctor confidentiality clause.. You aren't a doctor. It isn't illegal for you to disclose that information.
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At the same time why don't they ever come to the forum and support your claims? They'd be doing it on their own free will and such; at the same time if what you say is true then wouldn't they also feel the need to share this information freely? Why just disclose it to one person?
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Patients don't want to talk about their complications because they are afraid of the doctor's reaction. Look at Crinsomtide's diary. He said some negative things (slightly negative) and doctor's reaction was out of proportion. That's the reason they prefer to remain silent. Unlike Crinsom, LL patients are still under their supervision. It's a basic principle of human psychology.
The attitude of MM, his biggest disaster, seems an instance of Stockholm syndrome. Stockholm Syndrome is a psychological term used to describe the paradoxical phenomenon of the relationship that develops between a captor and its hostage. In such a relationship, to the amazement of onlookers, the captor expresses empathy and positive feelings towards their abusive captor, and often they will display a desire to defend them.
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I understand your frustration, but I think you have invalid arguments.
Let me ask you, why not assume that Monegal is a very good doctor who cares about his patients? Don’t you think their normal reaction would be appreciation and defending? Interesting that you have mentioned Stockholm syndrome, it hardly applies in this case since his patients are from all over the world and have different levels of personal strength to sit &obey.
Enlighten us please, what do you see that others can’t? ::)
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Dear all
I am so sad because LLuser1 does not like me.
His arguments Are steryle and, in MEDICAL opinion I would say he is Kind of obsessed.
Limb lengthening is extremely higth complicated procedure in which complication may arise even When doing a perfect Surgery.
I have witnessed in 15 years extremely terrible complications of some colleagues like sciatic nerve injury after knee scope or hand amputation after carpal syndrome decompression. Can you imagine? Straight forward procedure may end up in absolute tragedy.
Complications? Every doctor has and it is something that We do not like.
I am happy to say That i did not have Any infection, amputation, compatimental syndrome, fat embolism syndrome, deep vein trombosis or death.
Let me think...my complications. Well you all know That MM had a fracture after falling and Now she is fine. Stockholm syndrome? She is an Amazing patient and better person. Probably you should learn a bit more from her. When people has complications They need a doc That can fix it and people helping...rather than people thorowing whatever in forums.
Other That I can remember 1 implant changed because of bad function (That s probably better than precice 8% fail according to Munster precice nail users). WITTENSTEIN replaced the implant and I did change It free Cost, Of course.
And Yes 3-4 cases of screw loosening which I warn to all my patients. Is this a serious complication? Well surgeons We call it a problem. And We fix it in 10 minutes at OR with local anaesthetic.
Others like muscle tightness or neuropathic pain? Is this a surgical complication or this Is caused by distraction? Maybe Dr LLuser can explain us.
You want to make a negative impact in my practice and in my patients? You Are free to try It But believe me That I fix a lot of complications from other doctors and you will never see me posting whatever about them. That is the case of crinsom who got confused and mistook epidurall Block (to prevent pain) with a permanent nerve injury and he Just got nervous. He is trying to recover from his previous issues and still talks to me...probably he is not That angry.
Connected all day? Manipulate my patients diaries?
Sounds funny as I work 12-14 h a day mostly in OR, i do 20 surgeries per week...problem i only Connect throught my cellphone and most times leave it connected to the LL.
I tell my patients to write their diaries If They Feel so. But This is not a reality show and There is some information That needs to stay between doctor and patient. That a confidentiality between doctor and patient. And you know why I tell them this? To stay away from people like you who Take a loosen screw as a major complication because someone told you (you have never been here) and start s trolling campaign against me, my patients and Fitbone. Maybe you should show more respect for all of us.
You know What most doctors think about CLL patients? Maybe you wouldn t like to hear about it. And I do defend you and respect all of you. It seems like here the doctors who Are extremely trained, and Are very good professionals Are systematicaly atacked by some of you with trolling campaigns. No one escapes: Franz, Paley, Betz, Guichet... Probably you do not like us to be here.
You ask me with who I would undergo LL myself? Well I cannot operate myself...But Any doctor doing Fitbone, precice or his own nail (call It whatever) is a human being, an extremely trained and experienced doctor and someone who cares about people like you guys. None of us can escape from complications as This is an extreme treatment. But This is something We do not to put into public debate here.
The most important is my patients Are doing very Well and it seems That this is not normal for some of you guys. Bohemia posted a video yesterday walking upstairs and it was deleted. It is Weird.
Have a nice year all users even you LLuser1
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Hello Dr Monegal can you share what most doctors think of CLL patients. It would be interesting to hear.
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i'm not that angry
i plan on going to muscle recovery center in barcelona
i have a slight nerve issue, but not fro monegal... because of dr shah.
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Number of cm and names of doctors would be valuable, yes.
I see bad cases are more numerous than good and neutral cases. Serious complications abound everywhere.
Why aren't the patients from Spain in this list? Not finished? Muskcmaker should be included in the list of serious complications (corrective surgeries required /callus fracture/ and loss of functionality).
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Number of cm and names of doctors would be valuable, yes.
I see bad cases are more numerous than good and neutral cases. Serious complications abound everywhere.
Why aren't the patients from Spain in this list? Not finished? Muskcmaker should be included in the list of serious complications (corrective surgeries required /callus fracture/ and loss of functionality).
In the past few weeks, you've brought more awareness to Monegal's practice, both good and bad, but your actions are becoming increasingly detrimental to our community. It'd actually be useful if you could back up your claims: like American guy getting ex-fixed, or musicmaker having loss of functionality.
My biggest issue is that you're spinning a massive amount of FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) for all prospective patients for some things that are completely false like the 2 points made above.
I have seen her and her x-rays in real life. Her fractured leg is straight, fully consolidated and has no problems weight bearing. Yes this is a serious complication, but I'd give the doctor credit for being able to solve said complication.
Your beef is with the doctor, we get that, but I don't understand your obsession with musicmaker.
You could alternatively go on a crusade against the biggest salesmens (Betz, Mahboubian) or some of the truly awful Indian or Eastern European doctors. Who do you work for?
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Is LLuser1 getting to me? Cause these two statements sounds a lot like they were made by the same person. Again I hope this is not taken the wrong way, but just would like some clarification.
Have a nice year all users even you LLuser1
Happy new year for all users, even for LLuser.
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Is LLuser1 getting to me? Cause these two statements sounds a lot like they were made by the same person. Again I hope this is not taken the wrong way, but just would like some clarification.
Wtf? Hmmmmmmmmm.
That's really shady...
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Haha, they've both been calling him LLooser too. The post where Alex says it has since been edited back to LLuser1. As annoying as LLuser can be, I found it highly unprofessional on Alex's part to lower himself to that standard and it made it hard for me to take him seriously as a professional after seeing that side of him. He is afraid of people on here wrecking his image yet the way he holds himself in this forum sometimes, he does a pretty good job of wrecking his own image... I've stumbled across several of his posts now where he flies off the handle and its unnerving. It makes you question his character.
So what does this have to do with anything? It wouldn't suprise me if there were fake accounts created deliberately to support him. Im NOT implying that he would, I'm saying that based of his past actions and the way in which he holds himself that it wouldn't suprise me.. I can understand how infuriating it must have been for Alex to have to read the s**t that Moose had to say and I avidly supported him. I still do. People like Moose who clearly have no valid argument and nothing to prove his claims just annoy me and I defended him out of principle.. But if Alex wants to uphold an image, then he needs to hold himself to a higher standard. By letting trolls on the internet get to him he makes himself look bad. As a result it MAKES you question him. So I can completely understand why blahblah, Tiny and myself question the little quirky things such as Musicmaker and Alex seeming like the same person haha.
Apparently PatientZero has met Musicmaker in person so that rules out that they're the same person. Bohemia, Musicmaker and Alex all seem extremely tight knit though.. So it would seem that Alex is a tremendous caring doc, talented at his job, yet lacks self-control.
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Hi Deads
I noticed That my corrector wrote looser instead of luser. I corrected It as fast as I could because nobody deserves to be called That way (specially because We do not know each other). I don t know If That is The case of MM. Look she is a real patient and whoever wants to talk to her is free to do so. Maybe been spanish has to be with a similar way to express some things and use Of same dictionary corrector...But as said You should ask her.
Another matter You were talking about is fake diaries. I don t know If Any doctor has ever done this or has used account managers, But It s not my case. First because I don t need It. And I wouldn know where to find one in case I wanted to.
I spoke personally about this with The moderators in The forum and do believe I would personally notify a fake diary If I ever detect one. I have done It When It was for bad purpose and do believe me I would do The same If It was for good.
Self control? Well to be a limb reconstruction surgeon requires training, skill and a lot Of control. Do believe me A MASSIVE control.
I do accept critics, and I do ask my patients How to improve quality Of my care and practice. But What I did not accept Is unfair posts done by people I don t even know. Some Of Them called trolls by other users and moderators. I am not used to this.
The only thing I regret and from which I must apologize to all genuine users here, Is That I was probably not used to be judged in public by people who does not even know me. This Is something new for me and probably reacted inappropiately But I was absolutely rigth.
So once again thank You for Your comment because It helps a lot. By The way It Is complicated to be in my position You must understand.
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Hi Deads
I noticed That my corrector wrote looser instead of luser. I corrected It as fast as I could because nobody deserves to be called That way (specially because We do not know each other). I don t know If That is The case of MM. Look she is a real patient and whoever wants to talk to her is free to do so. Maybe been spanish has to be with a similar way to express some things and use Of same dictionary corrector...But as said You should ask her.
Another matter You were talking about is fake diaries. I don t know If Any doctor has ever done this or has used account managers, But It s not my case. First because I don t need It. And I wouldn know where to find one in case I wanted to.
I spoke personally about this with The moderators in The forum and do believe I would personally notify a fake diary If I ever detect one. I have done It When It was for bad purpose and do believe me I would do The same If It was for good.
Self control? Well to be a limb reconstruction surgeon requires training, skill and a lot Of control. Do believe me A MASSIVE control.
I do accept critics, and I do ask my patients How to improve quality Of my care and practice. But What I did not accept Is unfair posts done by people I don t even know. Some Of Them called trolls by other users and moderators. I am not used to this.
The only thing I regret and from which I must apologize to all genuine users here, Is That I was probably not used to be judged in public by people who does not even know me. This Is something new for me and probably reacted inappropiately But I was absolutely rigth.
So once again thank You for Your comment because It helps a lot. By The way It Is complicated to be in my position You must understand.
I didn't mean fake diaries, I meant fake user accounts which would be used to support you in a heated discussion. You don't need fake diaries.
And I meant emotional control, not physical control.
You're (as far as I know) the only doctor that contributes to the forum. You definitely bring a lot of value to the board. You're an Orthopaedic Surgeon! You're better than these pathetic people who want to give you a bad name. A troll if you don't know is someone who deliberately tries to get a reaction from people online.. And you always give them a reaction.
You have a right to defend yourself but you give people an uneasy feeling about you when you come across as aggressive.. That makes it easier for people to question other things about you. Even if you are honest and genuine. A shred of doubt is all you need.
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Hi Deads,
I usually enjoy your posts, but I think you have been too harsh with Dr Monegal. He deserves me to write here some words to clarify some aspects.
All Spanish patients at MICS call LLuser1 ‘Llooser’ for a reason: in Spanish ‘u’ sounds like ‘oo’ in English. In Dr Monegal’s case it was a mistake caused by his corrector. That’s why he modified it. In my case I found that correction funny and decided to keep it. I apologize if I hurt some people’s feelings, but I have been called many names in this forum and I haven’t complained at all. After being called ‘dongrider’ (Tiny), ‘bumlicker’ (FP), ‘bitch’ (Moose) and so on..., it must not be surprising for you that I felt entitled to call this irritating user ‘LLooser’. Besides, he spelled my name wrong too. He called me Muskmaker or something like that.
I don’t care about this, though. At this moment I am feeling very sad because of the false accusations spread here. Dr Monegal has a very peculiar personality –I agree–, but he is NOT unprofessional. In fact, I could say he is the best doctor I’ve ever met. He is a very skilled surgeon, but also a caring doctor and a wonderful human being. He has been a very important person in my life and I will be grateful forever. I’ve had serious complications and he has never abandoned me. I am serious. I really appreciate him as a doctor and as a person and I don’t like his name being polluted.
For another thing, I am tired of all these accusations of being a fake. Many, many users in this forum have met me in person, not only PatientZero. You can ask Paco1, Krp1, Xavi, Crinsomtide, Cooper, Nomad, Bohemia, Glenn... and many others whose names I can’t include here because I don’t know if they want that fact to be public. Are all these people hallucinating? I don’t think so. If I didn’t care about my privacy, I would upload a recent pic of Dr Monegal and me. We are two different people, sure, and many people can testify that’s true. The level of paranoia reached in this forum is beyond description.
In conclusion, don’t be too harsh on Dr Monegal. He doesn’t deserve it. If you feel bad and want to punch someone in the face, I am here for that purpose. I’m hiding behind an alias and my reputation is not at stake.
Haha.. I actually found it funny too, but thought it was unprofessional if it was deliberately done. Alex corrected it though and said it wasn't deliberate so it's okay.. The language barrier is a valid point too.
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About the character of Dr.Monegal. I had a consultation with him a few months ago and have texted with him a bit...Before I met him I also thought it was weird that MM praised him the way she did and still does....However after meeting the doctor in person, I really cant blame her. He is one of the NICEST person there is, and I feel bad for all the things that he has been accused of here...He is a good person, and he has contributed with so much to this forum, I hope that he sticks around here.
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About the character of Dr.Monegal. I had a consultation with him a few months ago and have texted with him a bit...Before I met him I also thought it was weird that MM praised him the way she did and still does....However after meeting the doctor in person, I really cant blame her. He is one of the NICEST person there is, and I feel bad for all the things that he has been accused of here...He is a good person, and he has contributed with so much to this forum, I hope that he sticks around here.
I have to meet you Alex haha.
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Haha could only wish to be Alex...he is a succesful surgeon, makes good money, has had dinner with the footballer Zlatan Ibrahimovic(who is a national hero in my home country)...And also, he is quit tall lol^^
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Hahaha classic Musicmaker^^
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And the hottest guy in the forum, LOL... ;D
Settle down haha
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LLuser1 is making this forum unpleasant with his weird negative energy. obviously he is a doctor himself and trying to spread negativity for his own benefit.
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LLuser1 is making this forum unpleasant with his weird negative energy. obviously he is a doctor himself and trying to spread negativity for his own benefit.
I'm not a doctor, but If I were, I would be much more professional than this.
A good surgeon would never forget about heparine shots and would be much more focused than this guy in making his patients feel good instead of advertising himself in the forums and hanging out with patients for making money. I don't like hypocrisy when people say they are your friends and they aren't because they don't care about you and they are there just to take your money.
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In the past few weeks, you've brought more awareness to Monegal's practice, both good and bad, but your actions are becoming increasingly detrimental to our community. It'd actually be useful if you could back up your claims: like American guy getting ex-fixed, or musicmaker having loss of functionality.
My biggest issue is that you're spinning a massive amount of FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) for all prospective patients for some things that are completely false like the 2 points made above.
I have seen her and her x-rays in real life. Her fractured leg is straight, fully consolidated and has no problems weight bearing. Yes this is a serious complication, but I'd give the doctor credit for being able to solve said complication.
Your beef is with the doctor, we get that, but I don't understand your obsession with musicmaker.
You could alternatively go on a crusade against the biggest salesmens (Betz, Mahboubian) or some of the truly awful Indian or Eastern European doctors. Who do you work for?
I am going against all salesmen, including Betz and Mahboubian and Sarin. I will post more about Betz tomorrow.
I made some mistakes in my posts. Musicmaker's left leg is probably OK but I know she is wheelchair bounded, so... do you call that functionality? Is her other leg damaged? She had her surgery in 2014!!! Not being able to walk after more than one year is a sign of loss of functionality. People told me they don't know if she will recover.
I have asked some patients and the external fixator was not used with the American guy but Dr Monegal told one female patient he had to exfix her. One patient from the forum. It was not a lie then. I just got confused. Implants failed in the case of the American guy and the case of that patient. The problem was solved but had multiple surgeries and new implants provided by Fitbone. My sources confirmed those details.
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I am going against all salesmen, including Betz and Mahboubian and Sarin. I will post more about Betz tomorrow.
I made some mistakes in my posts. Musicmaker's left leg is probably OK but I know she is wheelchair bounded, so... do you call that functionality? Is her other leg damaged? She had her surgery in 2014!!! Not being able to walk after more than one year is a sign of loss of functionality. People told me they don't know if she will recover.
I have asked some patients and the external fixator was not used with the American guy but Dr Monegal told one female patient he had to exfix her. One patient from the forum. It was not a lie then. I just got confused. Implants failed in the case of the American guy and the case of that patient. The problem was solved but had multiple surgeries and new implants provided by Fitbone. My sources confirmed those details.
How do you know all this information? Are you a medical supplier to these doctors, in contact with the patients, a former patient? What is your link to all this?
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I'm not a doctor, but If I were, I would be much more professional than this.
A good surgeon would never forget about heparine shots and would be much more focused than this guy in making his patients feel good instead of advertising himself in the forums and hanging out with patients for making money. I don't like hypocrisy when people say they are your friends and they aren't because they don't care about you and they are there just to take your money.
can you just leave this forum, we are tired of you.
If you were a true LL user you would be more respectful towards the very few doctors out there helping people like you with your height dyshoria. obviously Musicmaker and bohemia has confirmed he is a good doctor so can you just take your hate elsewhere
"I'm not a doctor, but If I were, I would be much more professional than this. " Like if that would confirm it? you are a doctor no doubt.
-"A good surgeon" bla bla bla. OK so you think Paley is a joke then because he has made mistakes during surgery, because he is a human, not a robot. humans can make mistakes. Paley has looooads of negative 1 star reviews on him, people calling him horrible things. But yet he is supposed to be the best doctor. So your comments are immature.
And am I the only one who thinks that doctors should earn more money than people flipping burgers? I want my doctor to earn a lot of money, because with his occopation he has invested in schools and studies to get where he is today (and helping others) so I have NO problem what so ever with doctors earning money, they well deserved it.
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Musicmaker,
What condition are you currently in? Are you expected to make a good recovery? If you have a diary feel free to post, i'm interested. Wish you the best.
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verlings32, I am not sure you are in the place to call out LLuser1 as I believe he has the right to express his concerns. You are a new member with 6 posts all viscously backing the doctor. Please explain yourself cause the more people that are coming out of the woodwork to defend doctors the more fishy this whole thing is getting.
I respect that you choose not to tell like many others
can you just leave this forum, we are tired of you.
If you were a true LL user you would be more respectful towards the very few doctors out there helping people like you with your height dyshoria. obviously Musicmaker and bohemia has confirmed he is a good doctor so can you just take your hate elsewhere
"I'm not a doctor, but If I were, I would be much more professional than this. " Like if that would confirm it? you are a doctor no doubt.
-"A good surgeon" bla bla bla. OK so you think Paley is a joke then because he has made mistakes during surgery, because he is a human, not a robot. humans can make mistakes. Paley has looooads of negative 1 star reviews on him, people calling him horrible things. But yet he is supposed to be the best doctor. So your comments are immature.
And am I the only one who thinks that doctors should earn more money than people flipping burgers? I want my doctor to earn a lot of money, because with his occopation he has invested in schools and studies to get where he is today (and helping others) so I have NO problem what so ever with doctors earning money, they well deserved it.
I agree! He is a cancer on this forum. It is something strange about him and therefor he must be a doctor because he is not conversating like the rest of the users on this forum
he is not a true LL type of person
LLuser1 is making this forum unpleasant with his weird negative energy. obviously he is a doctor himself and trying to spread negativity for his own benefit.
Your energy and vibe is toxic on this forum. You are a bully.
I believe that you are a doctor trying to spread negativity for your own benefit.
From Paley website:
"How much money should I keep in reserve in case of a complication?
Complications, although infrequent, can occur and may require surgery to treat and to prevent a negative outcome. An example is premature consolidation of the bone which requires re-breaking the bone. Another is nerve entrapment which requires nerve decompression surgery. Another is muscle contracture which requires lengthening of muscles, tendons, or fascia. Finally, there can be failure of bone healing after the end of the distraction phase requiring repair of nonunion. The cost to treat most of these complications ranges from $12–$35,000. "
So it is not a matter if you get a complication or not, because if you do the procedure, you should be prepared that it can occur. It is a matter of how the doctor help you afterwards and follow up.
When choosing a doctor, you do the research of him (or her) and then you decide to invest in the procedure. The doctor is a human being, and allthough doing his best, things can go wrong of course. As a patient, you must want LL so bad that you are willing to take that risk, having your body operated on. If complications should occur, you must not panic, because you know this can happen, however, you should feel safe that your choice of doctor is so trustworthy you know he does his best to correct it and make the situation as good as possible!
Find a good person you trust.
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verlings32, I am not sure you are in the place to call out LLuser1 as I believe he has the right to express his concerns. You are a new member with 6 posts all viscously backing the doctor. Please explain yourself cause the more people that are coming out of the woodwork to defend doctors the more fishy this whole thing is getting.
I mean you said that you were a lurker..what makes you think he isn't one himself?
Secondly, he's at least not the only one expressing his disapproval at LLuser who really is creating a toxic environment with his baseless attacks at what he terms "moneymakers." When in truth, like I said, all doctors who preform any sort of cosmetic procedure are in part in it for the money. Think about, would a doctor really risk his license for a procedure that might end up crippling his patient; which could also result in some form of retaliation financially and judicially. I mean it takes a good degree of reassurance that LL yields good results for any doctor, regardless of experience, to do such a procedure.
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Alu, thank you for your reply. I agree, but 6 posts all about defending one doctor just seems fishy to me. So are you saying LLuser provoked him from leaving the lurking realm to start responding to any post about a certain DR? Why would anyone defend a Dr that they don't know, and just to have a sole purpose on this forum to defend him? I am not attacking or even insinuating anything here I am just trying to keep an open mind. What if LLuser is right? Now I am not saying he is, but even if there is .001% chance he is right I would like to know and I bet so would many others when it comes to these matters. We do not want another Sarin situation on our hands because we were too ignorant to listen - all I am saying is lets start putting our defenses up until we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that LLuser is full of sh*t.
PS: LLuser1 you too need to start proving beyond a reasonable doubt that what you are saying is true. You can not just go around accusing someone without evidence. That is just slander. If you do not have any evidence or can not provide any, please refrain from posting. We all know what your stance is on Dr. Monegal. Hearsay is not evidence. Thank you.
I mean you said that you were a lurker..what makes you think he isn't one himself?
Secondly, he's at least not the only one expressing his disapproval at LLuser who really is creating a toxic environment with his baseless attacks at what he terms "moneymakers." When in truth, like I said, all doctors who preform any sort of cosmetic procedure are in part in it for the money. Think about, would a doctor really risk his license for a procedure that might end up crippling his patient; which could also result in some form of retaliation financially and judicially. I mean it takes a good degree of reassurance that LL yields good results for any doctor, regardless of experience, to do such a procedure.
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Alu, thank you for your reply. I agree, but 6 posts all about defending one doctor just seems fishy to me. So are you saying LLuser provoked him from leaving the lurking realm to start responding to any post about a certain DR? Why would anyone defend a Dr that they don't know, and just to have a sole purpose on this forum to defend him? I am not attacking or even insinuating anything here I am just trying to keep an open mind. What if LLuser is right? Now I am not saying he is, but even if there is .001% chance he is right I would like to know and I bet so would many others when it comes to these matters. We do not want another Sarin situation on our hands because we were too ignorant to listen - all I am saying is lets start putting our defenses up until we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that LLuser is full of sh*t.
What has Lluser claimed that people think is untrue/slanderous?
Edit - I read his old posts. I would say *all* doctors performing LL have had a subpar result at least once. It's an extremely risky procedure. So it's not controversial for him to say Monegal has had complications - of course he has. That's part of the game. What is controversial is suggesting that the Dr deliberately tries to hide them to the point of suggesting he has had *no* problems. This I can't comment on, but I can't imagine a Dr making such a claim.
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I have just been a guest and decided to start posting as I had been following the post and Lluser sounded like a doctor to me thats all wchich I thought needed to be brought to light
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Hi LLuser happy new year
This is my last post between You and me.
You need to change Your sources.
You step in a few weeks ago and 29 out of Your 30 posts Are directly pointing Either at me and The Fitbone technique. You came in and explained a complete diferent story. Now You changed It all over and You Are still something That is far from reality.
I cannot blame You because We never met. As said I only changed 1 implant out Of 47 used this year because Of malfunction. I have no problem with complications. As I explained I have witnessed severe complications after 15 years in straight forward procedures.
You explain a complete diferent story about an external fixator. Maybe this is something about a limb reconstruction procedure...don t know
But You Are not a doctor and You need to know a few things:
1- all patients sign a consent form in which all complications Are explained. Plus all patients coming Are aware Of The Kind Of procedure They undergo and The type Of complications That may arise.
2- There is a prínciple Of confidentiality between doctors and patients and I cannot post It in public.
3- all my patients Are discharged and We use a report template in which heparine is prescribed in all cases. So You Are once again posting false testimonial.
About The external fixator. I never had to use It in my american patient. Now You change The whole story and Now It is a female member Of The forum. Nothing to do with reality. The problem Is You stept in to cause negative impact Either in me and other doctors which It seems You do not like. Some users suggested You Are a doctor or You promote some others... I don t think so.
As Dror Paley defined 25 years ago doctors describe problems, obstacles and complications When doing limb lengthening procedures:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dror_Paley/publication/20751607_Problems_Obstacles_and_Complications_of_Limb_Lengthening_by_the_Ilizarov_Technique/links/00b49533af15b97258000000.pdf?inViewer=0&pdfJsDownload=0&origin=publication_detail
It seems for non Medical trained people like You, all goes into The same bag and It is Just doctors fault and everything is Just a complication.
My speciality is limb and joint reconstruction so I receive patients from other doctors with severe complications and I fix them. Some Are Really tricky. But I will never do a public negative impact Of Any Of These doctors because They all deserve my respect. That is why I know You Are not a doctor. Because You show no respect.
I was wrong with You. I must apologize If I responded too energetically at some moment. I am young and I am probably not used to be judged at a public place like this forum. It is very hard for me to deal with inaccurate and false information given by people like You. I cannot blame You...I guess this is part Of The game.
I Feel sorry to leave You Now But I am heading to The Clinic to perform a femur case. I hope everything goes perfect and I wish You would Feel exactly The same.
So, happy new year and I wish You The best.
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What has Lluser claimed that people think is untrue/slanderous?
Edit - I read his old posts. I would say *all* doctors performing LL have had a subpar result at least once. It's an extremely risky procedure. So it's not controversial for him to say Monegal has had complications - of course he has. That's part of the game. What is controversial is suggesting that the Dr deliberately tries to hide them to the point of suggesting he has had *no* problems. This I can't comment on, but I can't imagine a Dr making such a claim.
This doctor tried to hide his bad results. Chsn was one of the patients who visited the guesthouse in October and he recognized it in one of his posts.
2. About LLuser1....If he is the person I think he is, he was one of the guys that visited Mic in october.....He accuses Monegal for beeing dishonest in the sence that he witheld information about Musicmaker and other patients that had complications when Monegal said there was no complications......The truth is that Monegal said "I have never had a major complication like a non-union, but there is always a risk with surgery".......LLuser1 has in the past done surgery with one of the top surgeons who really screwed him up in one of the worst ways.. so for LLuser1 to be suspicous about LL doctors and feel that Monegal was dishonest that musicmakers case was not mentioned during our consultation, I can understand him....
To conclude: Everything that has been written about Monegal and his patients I believe is false, except the part when Monegal said there was no major complication.....Musicmaker I believe suffered some complications....And he should have told us about that case....
However with that said the complication doesent need to be the doctors fault....and complications can happen with all good doctors, the important thing is when a complication do arise the doctor knows what to do and tries to fix the problem as best as he can....
So it's true in the guiding tour he introduced prospective patients to ALL his current patients but musicmaker.
He said he had no patients with major complications but this girl has major complications and is still wheelchairbounded since 2014 because of multiple complications, obstacles and so on, and he didn't mention her. He said all his patients were fine and no major complications.
He took prospective patients to the clinic where there was a young guy doing quads, then to the guesthouse and introduced all patients but musicmaker (GLenn, Bohemia, Krp) Why? Hers is an horror story, one of the worst I've seen in these forums. He didn't want us to see that, because hers were true complications. There were problems with fractures, deformities, malfunction of implants, and for other patients misalignments, nerve issues and screw problems... He wasn't honest.
If we do further research we can find more fishy details about this case and other patients who weren't at the guesthouse at that moment. You ask me to back up my claims. I am telling the truth. How can I prove it? The doctor should prove that he isn't lying too (he is) but you don't ask him to back up his claims. Unfair at least.
You can ask patients. They are scared but perhaps they will tell the truth in the future.
This doctor seems nice and friendly but when you learn more about him I don't like some aspects of his personality. He becomes a totally different person, like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. He's unpredictable. He is very similar to Dr Betz in some aspects. In other aspects he is a totally new specimen for forums. We have never seen a doctor behaving like that in the forums.
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I made some mistakes in my posts. Musicmaker's left leg is probably OK but I know she is wheelchair bounded, so... […]
Dude, seriously — now you're just discrediting yourself for assuming things and writing approximations. The doctor's answer is much more precise and explanatory than anything you ever wrote on this forum. The sheer idea of Dr. Monegal posting fake diaries and creating side profiles to lure prospective patients in his office is frankly ludicrous. I could maybe comprehend that sort of reasoning for the most dodgy Indian doctors but not for him. I'm not a blind believer but common sense applies.
That said, I'm curious what Melodymaker has to say about these accusations. Care to chime in?
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You were not at The MIC in october.
Secondly I asked MM If she wanted to see prospective patients and she did not want to.
Third If a patient falls and has a fracture DOCTORS do not consider It a complication from surgery. It Is probably difficult for You to understand.
Fourth i did not have nerve complications, Just some nerve discomfort caused by The lengthening itself.
Mislignments? Having a rod in prevents That. You can read a paper from 1990 from Your beloved Dr Paley and You will learn a bit because You have no idea on What You Are talking about.
As said yesterday I Did change an implant and pushed 3 screws in, But You know what? Nothing happened on each case and I wouldn t call It a serious complication. It makes me laugth everytime You focused in This.
Jekyll and Mr Hyde? Hahha That s funny.
Betz? You show no respect to anyone. And You Are obsessed, You melt info and You spread false accusations.
You came in here and call me specimen? 32 out Of Your 33 posts Are Either attacking me and ir The Fitbone surgery. Everyone knows The type Of specimen You Are.
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Dude, seriously — now you're just discrediting yourself for assuming things and writing approximations. The doctor's answer is much more precise and explanatory than anything you ever wrote on this forum. The sheer idea of Dr. Monegal posting fake diaries and creating side profiles to lure prospective patients in his office is frankly ludicrous. I could maybe comprehend that sort of reasoning for the most dodgy Indian doctors but not for him. I'm not a blind believer but common sense applies.
That said, I'm curious what Melodymaker has to say about these accusations. Care to chime in?
Europa you're misreading the whole thread. I've never said Dr Monegal created fake accounts or diaries. It was Moose and other people who said that. I only said this doctor told his future patients he had no complications in LL and it wasn't true. Many people know for sure he had tricky complications but he denied that.
In my first post I wrote approximations because I got some details from an indirect source (and recognized that) but the story is basically true. No matter what the doctor says in his posts. He wants to keep his bussness high.
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Europa you're misreading the whole thread. I've never said Dr Monegal created fake accounts or diaries. It was Moose and other people who said that. I only said this doctor told his future patients he had no complications in LL and it wasn't true. Many people know for sure he had tricky complications but he denied that.
I'm not misreading anything. You're hinting at it below in the thread you created. You never said it, but that's just playing with words.
FROM ANOTHER SITE (BUT IT'S USEFUL HERE TOO) [...]
Apparently some doctors write positive reviews in their spare time. Other doctors put pressure on patients to write positive reviews. Some diaries are full of lies and hide the truth and people say some have been written by fake users.
Dr Sarin and other doctors from developing countries did that. Some may be doing that now. I am not a conspiracy theorist, I haven't said Monegal is a 'fraud' but it's a fact he doesn't tell the truth and has a high rate of complications.
Now about these horror stories, I can only judge if I hold all information – that's essentially why I'd like melodymaker to post here.
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I'm not misreading anything. You're hinting at it below in the thread you created. You never said it, but that's just playing with words.
Now about these horror stories, I can only judge if I hold all information – that's essentially why I'd like melodymaker to post here.
I was pointing at other doctors in that case. I didn't say Monegal was creating accounts, but he encourages his patients to write positive reviews and hide unpleasant things or complications. They told me so.
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are you serious? does this really happen? i am going to india for a surgery hope I don't face the same issue from the doctor and hospital staffs? wow this is not so good to hear..
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It happened with some Indian doctors, but not all of them.
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Don't ask moneymakers for opinions about LL. They will tell you what you want to hear. Go to doctors like Guichet and they will tell you the truth. Then you can decide whether you want LL or not.
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who are the money makers? You can PM me
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who are the money makers? You can PM me
All of them...what doctor would risk their license for a cosmetic procedure...?
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All of them...what doctor would risk their license for a cosmetic procedure...?
Lying is against all rules and some doctors lie because they don't care.
who are the money makers? You can PM me
Some doctors are more of a scientist and some are more of a moneymaker. In other threads I've made it clear.
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I find LLuser1 to be a an idiot on this board. You don't want the procedure? Ok, but shut up already.
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All of them...what doctor would risk their license for a cosmetic procedure...?
A very profitable cosmetic procedure
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A very profitable cosmetic procedure
That has a high rate of complications and might end up ruining someone's life permanently...
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Monegal is the new Sarin, IMO
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You were not at The MIC in october.
Secondly I asked MM If she wanted to see prospective patients and she did not want to.
Third If a patient falls and has a fracture DOCTORS do not consider It a complication from surgery. It Is probably difficult for You to understand.
Fourth i did not have nerve complications, Just some nerve discomfort caused by The lengthening itself.
Mislignments? Having a rod in prevents That. You can read a paper from 1990 from Your beloved Dr Paley and You will learn a bit because You have no idea on What You Are talking about.
As said yesterday I Did change an implant and pushed 3 screws in, But You know what? Nothing happened on each case and I wouldn t call It a serious complication. It makes me laugth everytime You focused in This.
Jekyll and Mr Hyde? Hahha That s funny.
Betz? You show no respect to anyone. And You Are obsessed, You melt info and You spread false accusations.
You came in here and call me specimen? 32 out Of Your 33 posts Are Either attacking me and ir The Fitbone surgery. Everyone knows The type Of specimen You Are.
It isn't true. Correct me if I'm mistaken but... Nerve problems in your patients were not caused in all cases by the LL process. They told me the teenage patient at the guesthouse had nerve problems just after the surgery in tibia. You've also had misalignment and iatrogenic fracture.
Besides, you say complications are covered but when you changed the screws and implants some patients had to pay their hospital stay. Other patients didn't have to pay because you 'sort of' purchased their silence. Patients themselves told me this
When you changed the implant for the female patient this was a long surgery, removing and introducing new implant (a new implant that also failed by the way, 2 failures at least) and the patient was sent home in one day. She took morphine, she was crying in pain. People were horrified at the guesthose. Why didn't she stay in hospital for more days? Money issues of course.
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Monegal is the new Sarin, IMO
I swear you manage to turn every thread into a comment about Dr Monegal, it's like a bloody obsession. Even if you ever had a valid point all you're doing is coming off like a conspiracy crazed nutjob with this obsession. We get it. You don't like Monegal.
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I don't like him because he had some bad results and lied about them. I was deceived.
I wanted to expose him here because many people are deceived.
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I don't like him because he had some bad results and lied about them. I was deceived.
I wanted to expose him here because many people are deceived.
It becomes more annoying then anything...Like a broken parrot.
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It becomes more annoying then anything...Like a broken parrot.
Haha, this was funny.. don't you mean a broken record?... A Parrot repeats itself normally.
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Yes but parrots are annoying. More so if broken
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One leg or two legs at the same time it's the same.
Have you wondered why Aimhigh didn't come back for his second leg?
Have you wondered why Cooper didn't come back for his second leg?
Have you wondered why Musicmaker came back for her second leg in summer (not clever decision) but is not finished (she did her first leg in 2014 and is still wheelchair bounded and not evenly lengthened?)
All these people are sad and ashamed to tell their stories. Sorry, if you consider me a broken record, but it's my opinion.
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One leg or two legs at the same time it's the same.
Have you wondered why Aimhigh didn't come back for his second leg?
Have you wondered why Cooper didn't come back for his second leg?
Have you wondered why Musicmaker came back for her second leg in summer (not clever decision) but is not finished (she did her first leg in 2014 and is still wheelchair bounded and not evenly lengthened?)
All these people are sad and ashamed to tell their stories. Sorry, if you consider me a broken record, but it's my opinion.
You said it perfectly: opinion.
You haven't proven much at all. You just speculated what happened to Cooper (I don't know about the rest) without any clear distinct fact (he disappeared without reason which is concerning but speculating what happened is not helpful to us or your claim). You said you have other sources, why don't they step up and tell us their stories?!
Stop posting in other people's diaries if you're just gonna detract from the topic at hand.
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These are facts for all these people, not opinions.
My opinion about this doctor for LL ... you know.
I respect other people's opinions but I'm entitled to mine and I ask for respect.
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These are facts for all these people, not opinions.
My opinion about this doctor for LL ... you know.
I respect other people's opinions but I'm entitled to mine and I ask for respect.
And I ask respect for Cooper who never hinted at not coming back for the other leg. (Like many other he abruptly left the forum):
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=2454.0
That's not to say that he didn't encounter any complications, but it's also not for you to widely throw out speculation as fact about what happened to him. Who knows, you maybe right, but you never back anything up and like I said you disrupt other people's diaries without reason other then continuing your crusade against Monegal (whom I have no allegiance for or against).
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First of all sorry for bad english and sorry yagen talking in your topic
Lluser ı dont understand one think Lets say monegal is butcher and everythink is happened.İf it happened to me and ı was musicmaker or anybody else ı say EVERYWHERE MONEGAL IS BUTCHER and if he treat me ı just go another doctor and keep saying MONEGAL IS BUTCHER but they dont do it and still they say monegal is good
Can you explain it
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thank you to everybody.....
There are some good doctors LLUSER, you can chose the doctor that you want.
You always say against the same doctor and rod.............. I think that you have very interest in all the patients do LL with Guichet or Paley. Do you get a fee??
If you say 1000 times a lie, its never becomes a true. You are the only patient (if you are a patient) tell bad things agains Monegal
In other hand, in some countries cosmetic LL is forbiden, thus you can do one leg outside of your country and after your medical insurance pay for the other leg because you have a dissymmetry for that reason that user didn´t come back. Its just a trick "special offer you get two leg by paying one.
I think that you dont want good doctor with a good relation value for money.
In all the profession of the life competition is good.
I am going to go on with my diary, I saw all the bad words in the diary of glenn and bohemia.
Its very easy see your goal target.
you just want two doctors for LL
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Holy , I never thaught about that!...Do one leg and get the other one for free:o....Is it worth doing that you think?
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As I have said for me the most important thing is the doctor.
Other people think more in the money than in healthy.
Cheers
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But I guess the doc in the home country would want to see both legs and wonder why one has a metal rod on xrays in it and scars ? ::)
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thank you to everybody.....
There are some good doctors LLUSER, you can chose the doctor that you want.
You always say against the same doctor and rod.............. I think that you have very interest in all the patients do LL with Guichet or Paley. Do you get a fee??
If you say 1000 times a lie, its never becomes a true. You are the only patient (if you are a patient) tell bad things agains Monegal
In other hand, in some countries cosmetic LL is forbiden, thus you can do one leg outside of your country and after your medical insurance pay for the other leg because you have a dissymmetry for that reason that user didn´t come back. Its just a trick "special offer you get two leg by paying one.
I think that you dont want good doctor with a good relation value for money.
In all the profession of the life competition is good.
I am going to go on with my diary, I saw all the bad words in the diary of glenn and bohemia.
Its very easy see your goal target.
you just want two doctors for LL
This is fking genius... Do insurance companies actually pay for the second leg?
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thank you to everybody.....
There are some good doctors LLUSER, you can chose the doctor that you want.
You always say against the same doctor and rod.............. I think that you have very interest in all the patients do LL with Guichet or Paley. Do you get a fee??
If you say 1000 times a lie, its never becomes a true. You are the only patient (if you are a patient) tell bad things agains Monegal
In other hand, in some countries cosmetic LL is forbiden, thus you can do one leg outside of your country and after your medical insurance pay for the other leg because you have a dissymmetry for that reason that user didn´t come back. Its just a trick "special offer you get two leg by paying one.
I think that you dont want good doctor with a good relation value for money.
In all the profession of the life competition is good.
I am going to go on with my diary, I saw all the bad words in the diary of glenn and bohemia.
Its very easy see your goal target.
you just want two doctors for LL
.....wow...wow..wow wow WOW WOW WOW.... That is fking genius.... does that actually work? It'd be pretty hilarious
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Oh boy! I think someone opened Pandora's Box and things will never be the same around here. Just a matter of time before the crap hits the fan and we are denied most health insurance privileges if we do LL, not to mention life insurance, car insurance, home insurance, pet insurance, etc., :P
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And I ask respect for Cooper who never hinted at not coming back for the other leg. (Like many other he abruptly left the forum):
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=2454.0
That's not to say that he didn't encounter any complications, but it's also not for you to widely throw out speculation as fact about what happened to him. Who knows, you maybe right, but you never back anything up and like I said you disrupt other people's diaries without reason other then continuing your crusade against Monegal (whom I have no allegiance for or against).
He hasn't come back to Monegal and the forum because he went to a different doctor in the USA because his case was a disaster. Not speculation but truth. I won't give more information about his case but he's screwed.
First of all sorry for bad english and sorry yagen talking in your topic
Lluser ı dont understand one think Lets say monegal is butcher and everythink is happened.İf it happened to me and ı was musicmaker or anybody else ı say EVERYWHERE MONEGAL IS BUTCHER and if he treat me ı just go another doctor and keep saying MONEGAL IS BUTCHER but they dont do it and still they say monegal is good
Can you explain it
Sorry, he is. If patients don't tell you it's because they are still under their supervision and they're afraid. Many users here know I'm telling the truth. Many many complications in his practice.
Musicmaker's case ... I told you she suffers from Stockholm syndrome. She came here in 2014. She was screwed from the very beginning by Monegal but she said Monegal was wonderful and all stupid people followed her.
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He hasn't come back to Monegal and the forum because he went to a different doctor in the USA because his case was a disaster. Not speculation but truth. I won't give more information about his case but he's screwed.
I need you to understand, in the most respectful way, I can't and won't trust this. For the simple fact that you provide absolute zero evidence for your claims. I don't doubt that there might be some truth to what you say, but with the vast majority of the claims you state you are moot due to the lack of any evidence.
At the same time you conduct yourself in an immature fashion going around Monegal's patients dairies post the same thing over and over. Which ruins your credibility. (I also love how you haven't participated much in other discussion around the forums).
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What evidence would you like to have? I can't post X-rays here. Ask Cooper
I have posted elsewhere.
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What evidence would you like to have? I can't post X-rays here. Ask Cooper
I have posted elsewhere.
Cooper isn't here anymore. He hasn't logged on since September, which is concerning enough as it is, but even Paley patients like BD never finished his diary and they are reported fine. X-rays aren't trustworthy because who knows where you got them or who's they are.
Honestly, the only sort of evidence you could muster is if one of your "contacts" testified. You're not his patient. You can say you had a consultation with him and that he lied, which we can give you partial credit for, but those other claims can only be backed up by those who experienced it.
In this community, claims, which can impact people's lives forever, can not stand on grounds of baseless evidence. It's a detriment to both the doctor's reputation and people's health.
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Listen I'm telling the truth. I'm doing this for a reason.
The doctor hid musicmaker from prospective patients. He introduced all the current patients to prospective patients but musicmaker.
He said he had no big complications and all his patients were fine but musicmaker was there and she was having very serious complications: fracture, failure of implants, no walking for more than one year...
Chsn was there, he was one of those patients and he confirmed this in one of his posts. Doctor lies about musicmaker and other patients.
Perhaps some patient is fine, but I know about many who have had or are having problems. I'm sure my contacts will testify but we need time. They won't do it before they're finished.
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One thing that I find very interesting is the fact that glen and bohemia have not been posting or updating their diaries suddenly. I hope they're ok.
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Hey LLuser1,
we know you don't like doctor Monegal and you have your reasons. Everyone can have own point of view about doctors and explain it, but stop writing personal details about musicmaker and other patients. If they want, they share their experiences here. It is not your job.
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Hey LLuser1,
we know you don't like doctor Monegal and you have your reasons. Everyone can have own point of view about doctors and explain it, but stop writing personal details about musicmaker and other patients. If they want, they share their experiences here. It is not your job.
So people ask this guy for proof and then he gets shot down for trying to provide it...
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So people ask this guy for proof and then he gets shot down for trying to provide it...
I was thinking the same thing. I'd say that privacy privileges don't apply!......"Patriot Act" god damn it! ;)
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I was thinking the same thing. I'd say that privacy privileges don't apply!......"Patriot Act" god damn it! ;)
I thought this information about Musicmaker was already made public? So it's not private information.. Also, why would Musicmaker want to keep this sort of info private? If there were complications and Alex (which I'm sure he would) eventually corrected them, then I don't see what the big deal is about the disclosure of Musicmakers complications.. With that being said, I don't see what the big deal is about, the complications in the first place if Alex has corrected them. All anyone wants to be sure of is that their doctor isn't going to leave them butchered. I don't see Alex being the sort of guy to do that.. So, let's end this once and for all (sorry if it's been posted else where. I couldn't be bothered searching).
Musicmaker; What are the extent of your complications? What has Alex done to correct them?
LLuser; I think I remember reading somewhere that MM did not feel like seeing prospective patients on that day. Alex can't force someone to do something they don't want.. How do you know that he, 'hid' MM from prospective patients? Where did you receive this information? In bullet points, please clarify all the information you have on Dr M and how you came about receiving that info.. We don't want 10 paragraphs of disorganised, unclear rambling.. Once you have stated your point, you should allow people to let the information sink in and stop posting negative things about Dr M unless you receive any additional (credible) info. Lately it's just been the same repetitive jargon.. Jamming the same info down everyone's neck is why there is so much hostility towards you. You don't really contribute to the board other than negative info on Dr M. You don't even talk of your own ambitions to do LL. So this is why everyone questions your motives and why you even visit the board.
Everyone; as annoying as you think LLuser is, flaming and disrespecting other members on this board is against forum terms and conditions.
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My contacts haven't met this guy but all assured me Dr Monegal tells his patients to sugarcoat their diaries. It's probably not as good as he says.
Aturro was operated by Baumgart. He tells the good truth.
However this guy sugarcoats reality IMO. Look at Musicmaker unable to work since 2014. And she did two-stage like Yagen.
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My contacts haven't met this guy but all assured me Dr Monegal tells his patients to sugarcoat their diaries. It's probably not as good as he says.
Aturro was operated by Baumgart. He tells the good truth.
However this guy sugarcoats reality IMO. Look at Musicmaker unable to work since 2014. And she did two-stage like Yagen.
Dude, 50% of your comments have something to do with musicmaker. The obsession is astounding, especially for a grown person who hopefully has a real job. It is really tiring to read.
We know she was a bad case, because you've personally made it a crusade to tell the world about her difficulties. Monegal wronged you, we get it. But she even personally asked you to stop speaking on her behalf.
Please stop disrespecting her and releasing all her medical details.
Why don't you go just save money for LL then move on with your life?
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People like MM and posts like that above by Yagen mislead people.
My duty: bringing you down to reality.
I'm sick of people attacking me for telling the truth.
Be grateful man
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People like MM and posts like that above by Yagen mislead people.
My duty: bringing you down to reality.
I'm sick of people attacking me for telling the truth.
Be grateful man
Not grateful--I know significantly more than you about the conditions in Barcelona. I agree with some of the things you've brought to light, but you also tell half-truths.
I am not attacking what you think is a favor by bringing us 'down to reality'. The issue is your disrespecting another member on the forum. If karma existed, someone will have a post about you in encyclopedia dramatica.
Anyone serious enough to follow through is aware and they will consult, ask questions, and decide for themselves.
You've played your part, but I think it sucks that someone wronged you to a point where you continually breed such poisonous behavior online. Hope it gets better and you can achieve your LL dreams.
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My contacts haven't met this guy but all assured me Dr Monegal tells his patients to sugarcoat their diaries. It's probably not as good as he says.
Aturro was operated by Baumgart. He tells the good truth.
However this guy sugarcoats reality IMO. Look at Musicmaker unable to work since 2014. And she did two-stage like Yagen.
Okay.. You were given the chance to open up, and you just started talking about Musicmaker again.. You clearly have nothing on Dr M and everyone is sick of you bitching on about the same thing over and over.. You aren't bringing light to anything when you repeat the same . Everyone knows about Musicmaker.. Either contribute to this board properly or go away.
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People like MM and posts like that above by Yagen mislead people.
My duty: bringing you down to reality.
I'm sick of people attacking me for telling the truth.
Be grateful man
Are you real? are you a patient? have you feel the pain of the LL?
I am patient of Dr. Monegal, He is a good doctor like others, not just two like you always said. When I spoke with him about the LL doctors, he told me nice words of other doctors.
I am telling my story and try to help to other patients of the other doctors. Do you help anyone in your 87 post?
Every patient is a different world. Dr. Monegal will have better and worst patients recovery, but He is one of the top doctor but the most important thing for me is that he always try to do the best for you, and if you have any problem he will be ready to solve it.
Your slogan sound like that "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" Joseph Goebbels
And you have repeated 87 times the same thing, In my opinion you hide something......but it just my two cents
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Deads, my post was a reply to Yagen in his diary but was moved here. I hadn't read your post in this thread.
I can't post more evidence that I gave, but I hope more patients will tell the truth when they're out of Doctor Monegal's control. I don't know what I can do to prove I'm telling the truth. No lies.
And no, you don't know all the truth about Musicmaker. There are many things people from the forum don't know. I know many things about her and other patients, because I've met some and I've talked to many.
Yagen, you don't know what you're talking about. I'm not lying. You lie more than me when you write your diary and sugarcoat everything.
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I am writing my diary how I feel the LL in my body, it is not sweet at this point, but it is not bitter. The pain is manageable.
I know that I will reach bad moments with de LL and I will write about it.
You have not answered to my question...... there are a lof of blackholes in your post.
Are you a patient??
do you live in Barcelona because you met a lot of patients?
why do the patients not say bad words of Monegal?
And no, you don't know all the truth about Musicmaker. There are many things people from the forum don't know. I know many things about her and other patients, because I've met some and I've talked to many.
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@LLUser1: From your typing at least, you seem like a smart person but you've been over-hyping some things such as "Dr. Monegal didn't show his patients to Musicmaker" and the fact that she has complications.
I'm neutral and want the truth but without any fluff. Is there anything serious Dr. Monegal has done? Your reply to that is "patients are still under him and can't speak up". Looks like we'll have to wait until their LL is done to see if they speak up. Until then this whole thing is running around in circles and just spreading negativity.
Seems fair to everyone? We'll wait a couple months and see if the patients speak up after their LL is done. Everyone can chill and not get their jimmies rustled by baseless things until then.
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Musicmaker; What are the extent of your complications? What has Alex done to correct them?
LLuser; I think I remember reading somewhere that MM did not feel like seeing prospective patients on that day. Alex can't force someone to do something they don't want.. How do you know that he, 'hid' MM from prospective patients? Where did you receive this information? In bullet points, please clarify all the information you have on Dr M and how you came about receiving that info.. We don't want 10 paragraphs of disorganised, unclear rambling.. Once you have stated your point, you should allow people to let the information sink in and stop posting negative things about Dr M unless you receive any additional (credible) info. Lately it's just been the same repetitive jargon.. Jamming the same info down everyone's neck is why there is so much hostility towards you. You don't really contribute to the board other than negative info on Dr M. You don't even talk of your own ambitions to do LL. So this is why everyone questions your motives and why you even visit the board.
Thank you — that's exactly what we need. No BS, no rumbling, no "Someone told me that…". Get your facts right or GTFO, it's not kindergarten.
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[/quote]I'm relatively new here and just read all crimsontide diaries. What a journey of bad events, I'm speechless...
Other patients of Monegal have had experiences worse than this. If they had a diary you would be even more surprised. Crinsomtide went to crapty doctors and had bad results but he spent little money. Other Monegal cosmetic patients paid a larger amount and they were badly screwed too. I recognize I'm becoming repetitive but look at that girl who started LL in 2014 and is still using wheelchair, not lengthened yet, and delusional about the skills of her loving doctor. I feel so sorry for her.
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Other patients of Monegal have had experiences worse than this. If they had a diary you would be even more surprised. Crinsomtide went to crapty doctors and had bad results but he spent little money. Other Monegal cosmetic patients paid a larger amount and they were badly screwed too. I recognize I'm becoming repetitive but look at that girl who started LL in 2014 and is still using wheelchair, not lengthened yet, and delusional about the skills of her loving doctor. I feel so sorry for her.
Dude.... Fk off. Sick of your posts. You contribute nothing to this board.. This post would make any new members to this forum interpret that all of crimsons health issues are because of Alex Monegal.
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...any new members to this forum interpret that all of crimsons health issues are because of Alex Monegal.
Exactly what he wanted.
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Dude.... Fk off. Sick of your posts. You contribute nothing to this board.. This post would make any new members to this forum interpret that all of crimsons health issues are because of Alex Monegal.
Exactly what he wanted.
Yeah totally. 100% No doubt. Scientifically proven. God-beloved. LLuser1-beloved.
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...Dr Monegal is out of this forum now because he wants to keep his peace of mind -he's exhausted of all this drama around him-, and because he has realised this is not a good place for doctors to be in, since they get sistematically attacked by toxic people.
Thanks guys! Now we can go back to getting our valid medical opinion from our very own LL Experts.
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monegal is not even close to being among the worst drs on this board...
and hes offered to help me out for free btw.... which is not a small thing
dr shah just stopped replying to me long ago
any dr in india is a much worse choice... any
just look at my scar.... dont go to india...
i know i sound like a broken record, but don't go to india
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Hi All,
Back on October 2015 I said my farewell to LL community explaining why I didn't wanted to participate anymore (http://"http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=2723.msg43509#msg43509"). And since then I had never came back to this forum until one of my friends interested in LL, who knows my case and to whom I recommended Dr. Monegal, got worried by all the fuss driven around here by someone called LLuser1. Today I've quickly glanced through this discussion (no time nor desire to read through all the crap) and felt some urge to add my five cents.
As a patient of Dr. Monegal I am very well familiar about all the flaws of doing LL in Barcelona. In fact I had some issues up to the point I was really disappointed by Dr. Monegal. And if the readers of this thread are really interested in what kind of problems they could encounter and be prepared for in Spain, I can even count them:
- I've received only invoices which were charged by the hospital. Unfortunately, I never received any invoice for the part that I paid in cash to Dr. Monegal even-though he had been promising to deliver such an invoice till last day. I believe not only Dr. Monegal himself, but generally in Spain they underestimate how important it is to have a proper documentation for all the financial expenses in some other jurisdictions. It was not cool.
- Dr. Monegal somehow didn't return the external device that was installed on one of my legs which he had to take off to operate me. I paid the full cost of that device to another doctor in another country and wanted to utilize it by my own discretion. Unfortunately, they were "cleaning" the device the whole week while I was there and the last day Dr. Monegal was "too busy" to come and finally give the device back to me.
- I paid the hospital charges in full in advance. Otherwise they simply won't take you in. However, early in the morning one hour before my flight off Barcelona someone in the hospital tried to charge me with additional fees, that never were mentioned by Dr.Monegal. I am polite, but tough person when necessary, so I used really strong language and took off without paying those phony charges.
- I expected Dr. Monegal to contact me sooner about the missing invoice, missing device and that dishonest attempt to rob me in the hospital, however it took him about two months to finally contact me. So this is also big minus for Dr. Monegal as aftercare is no less and even more important than everyday friendly visits while you are in Spain.
As you can see I am far from idolizing Dr. Monegal, so that is why I hope even those who had been victims of LLuser1 can trust my words and turn their attention to the following facts.
Yes, from my perspective things in Spain are little bit disorganized, however еverything is comprehended in comparison and believe me: things in another country where unfortunately I had my initial LL operation are much more fked up. You've all read or can read all those LL horror stories in number of developing countries; you can't deny that Spain in comparison to them is a European country with much higher standards and practices in modern medicine. And as described in http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=2723.msg43509#msg43509 I am highly satisfied with the quality of services there.
Problems I mentioned above are purely of logistical nature; I am pretty sure all them had been done by mistake, for some kind of mentality nuances and prioritizing things differently than you would expect in your own cultural environment. What is important to know and what you will feel for sure if you go there, people in Barcelona, the hospital staff are really welcoming, warm and very much empathic. And I am absolutely sure there was no shortsightedness on purpose by Dr. Monegal himself. When Dr. Monegal finally contacted me I conducted to him all my criticism, he offered his explanations and expressed his readiness to address each of the issues. The fact that there are some issues of organizational character just means there is some room for improvements for Dr. Monegal as a LL destination point.
As for the medical professionalism of Dr. Monegal I will remain thankful throughout my life he saved my left leg from strong misalignment and valgus. Thanks to Dr. Monegal I am able to walk completely normally today. In fact, after long LL period I decided to reward myself with a touristic trip and going hike a lot soon. My subjective judgement about medical expertise of Dr. Monegal is based not only on my case, but also on number of other successful LL cases in Spain I am aware of.
For another thing, I am tired of all these accusations of being a fake. Many, many users in this forum have met me in person, not only PatientZero. You can ask Paco1, Krp1, Xavi, Crinsomtide, Cooper, Nomad, Bohemia, Glenn... and many others whose names I can’t include here because I don’t know if they want that fact to be public. Are all these people hallucinating? I don’t think so. If I didn’t care about my privacy, I would upload a recent pic of Dr Monegal and me. We are two different people, sure, and many people can testify that’s true. The level of paranoia reached in this forum is beyond description.
I do confirm I visited MIC, talked to several patients of Dr. Monegal, talked to Musicmaker and I do confirm she is a real person as well as all other patient she listed and not just another registered account of Dr. Monegal as some ill-minded persons here suggest. And there is no secret about Musicmaker's case, she told me all the unfortunate things happened to her and my impression was that if she was not confident in Dr. Monegal she wouldn't still be in the guest house, she is still there recuperating and there is no reason for others to exaggerate and bring up her case every time, especially when she asked to leave her alone. As every other doctor surely Dr. Monegal had and will have complicated cases. So what?! Go and spend twice more money with other LL doctors in US, Germany or France, nobody is making everyone to stick with Dr. Monegal. At the same time it is really ugly to punish him with this kind of persecution only because as an open-minded person he decided to stay closer and available to the community. Moderators here must've done their job with better diligence. Freedom of speech is not the same as slandering like this on purpose.
As you can see I can freely express myself as I want and I don't have fear that I would somehow be revenged by Dr. Monegal. I've listed all the real issues and not imaginary ones there despite I still have an internal rod in my left leg, which I need to take out with Dr. Monegal in couple years. I wouldn't dare to criticize him openly if he was so evil person as LLuser1 tries to picture him. Not only I am criticizing him for the flows in Spain, but also have recommended him to one of my friends who wants to go through the same procedure.
So LLooser1 and all the over paranoiac people, stop your crap about Dr. Monegal and let other sane part of LL community to decide by themselves.
I am more than confident Dr. Monegal is one of the best LL specialist in the world and his popularity will keep rising despite all the dirty efforts organized here by anonymous persons for who knows for which purposes.
I won't break my promise again and won't ever come back here. In fact I am going to change my password for some jibberish string now and forget this place for good. Peace to everyone and don't be fools in hands of manipulators like LLooser1!
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Thanks to the replies from Musicmaker and Nomad. There is a clear trend of Dr Monegal's patients talking about him in a positive light, something that would clearly not happen if he was "the new Sarin". I hope LLuser1 can now stop with the persistent comments and attacks regarding Dr Monegal and I would hope if they continue that admin will take action.
It is a massive shame that Dr Monegal has been driven off the forum, along with Dr Birkholtz his presence on the forum was immensely valuable.
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I can’t stop Nightwish. My opinion is as important as those two people. Imo Monegal is the new Sarin because some of his patients are screwed and others have had minor problems because of bad recommendations. You should ask top doctors in the USA what they think about his surgeries.
I have no reason to question Nomad’s words. His leg may have improved thanks to Monegal. However for Crinsomtide, who did corrective as well, going to Spain was ‘a waste of time’ (his words) because of no improvement. There are always good and bad cases. Besides, Monegal tried to fix those cases by other doctors but some of his patients had to go to more qualified doctors too to be fixed. Monegal may be better than Indian doctors but not a top doctor, imo. For the same price, go to Jamal or Birkholtz. They at least are focused on patients’ recovery and don’t forget about important things, like prescribing heparine or X-rays.
Nomad made an important point. Many patients told me Monegal is a mess because he forgets about everything. He fixes appointments and then postpones them, he tells you to be at the clinic and then he doesn’t show up, he keeps changing dates of surgeries, always procrastinating.
Nomad’s case wasn’t an exception. All patients are disappointed and complain about his lack of organization. They told me it’s true he never gives invoices (for avoiding taxes according to Moose). He’s always ‘too busy’ to take care of issues he said he was going to take care of (preparing invoices, returning devices, preparing prescriptions...). And... you’ve to pay additional fees if there are complications. If you need surgery you don’t have to pay him directly, but you have to pay hospital and medicines and so on... Huge amounts. Many patients have had to pay Forteo a very expensive medicine not included. Musicmaker wrote a post in the forum about this last year.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1898.msg30093#msg30093
Other complications not included: the girl had to pay 1000$ for blood transfusions, for example. And living in Barcelona for more than one year. But if you don’t live in Barcelona it’s expensive too. The Canadian guy had to travel from Canada to have his screw fixed. These people weren’t offered to stay at the clinic after their unscheduled surgeries because of money... Phony charges everywhere or lack of care.
You see, Nomad’s case is one among many examples but other patients aren’t honest and don’ tell the truth. I want people to know the truth and take care of themselves. I am a valuable source of information. Please, stay tuned because I will go on posting about what I’ve seen and been told about Monegal and Barcelona if you don’t mind.
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Man, this LLUser1 guy is a hot mess, and probably the biggest whiner on this forum right now.
And... you’ve to pay additional fees if there are complications. If you need surgery you don’t have to pay him directly, but you have to pay hospital and medicines and so on... Huge amounts. Many patients have had to pay Forteo a very expensive medicine not included. Musicmaker wrote a post in the forum about this last year.
I've never seen someone bitch so much about the doctor's fee. From past complications, Dr.Monegal has been kind enough to cover his surgeon's fees. If your nail fails, he will fight Wittenstein to have your nail replaced for free. How can you expect him to cover the hospital fee from his own pockets? Or your hospital stay, or your medication? Ridiculous expectations.
I heard Betz charges $25k for titanium nail replacements after you bend his Betzbone. He'll fk your couch and charge you another $5k while he's at it. I don't see you crying or losing sleep about it.
Other complications not included: the girl had to pay 1000$ for blood transfusions, for example. And living in Barcelona for more than one year. But if you don’t live in Barcelona it’s expensive too. The Canadian guy had to travel from Canada to have his screw fixed. These people weren’t offered to stay at the clinic after their unscheduled surgeries because of money... Phony charges everywhere or lack of care.
Double dose of whining for someone who isn't even a patient. You must be the most frugal member here if you expect the doctor to pay for your blood transfusion, flight, room and board. Maybe he'll make you breakfast and wash your ass, too. Please don't do LL.
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I've never seen someone bitch so much about the doctor's fee. From past complications, Dr.Monegal has been kind enough to cover his surgeon's fees. If your nail fails, he will fight Wittenstein to have your nail replaced for free. How can you expect him to cover the hospital fee from his own pockets? Or your hospital stay, or your medication? Ridiculous expectations.
I heard Betz charges $25k for titanium nail replacements after you bend his Betzbone. He'll fk your couch and charge you another $5k while he's at it. I don't see you crying or losing sleep about it.
PZ, you're a pain in the ass. Birkholtz and Jamal cover all those expenses.
Betz doesnt't because he's a moneymaker but he admits he's not covering that from the beginning. I've complained about him too because I don't like he's being so mean.
The worst about Monegal is he says he will fix everything for free and it isn't true in some cases. Sometimes he purchases patients' silence (i will fix this soon but don't tell people in the forum). Sometimes he sends patients home after complicated unscheduled surgeries (no good aftercare). And he told the girl whose fitbone failed (not american guy, sorry) to pay the fixator but finally fibone sent a new implant for her.
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PZ, you're a pain in the ass. Birkholtz and Jamal cover all those expenses.
Betz doesnt't because he's a moneymaker but he admits he's not covering that from the beginning. I've complained about him too because I don't like he's being so mean.
The worst about Monegal is he says he will fix everything for free and it isn't true in some cases. Sometimes he purchases patients' silence (i will fix this soon but don't tell people in the forum). Sometimes he sends patients home after complicated unscheduled surgeries (no good aftercare). And he told the girl whose fitbone failed (not american guy, sorry) to pay the fixator but finally fibone sent a new implant for her.
Find me a patient from SA (all 4 of them) where Birkholtz pays for their room and board, and maybe their Forteo too. And stop joking about recommending our members to the Ukraine please, worst advice ever.
So you took a few weeks off to do research and is now retracting some of your original stories. This is also the problem about you. You say a lot of things that are true, but you also back-track and admit to pulling stories out of your ass. The repetitiveness is getting old.
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Find me a patient from SA (all 4 of them) where Birkholtz pays for their room and board, and maybe their Forteo too. And stop joking about recommending our members to the Ukraine please, worst advice ever.
So you took a few weeks off to do research and is now retracting some of your original stories. This is also the problem about you. You say a lot of things that are true, but you also back-track and admit to pulling stories out of your ass. The repetitiveness is getting old.
Birholtz's price includes luxury room, orthopedic equipment and all medicines. In Monegal's case you have to pay for everything (no surgeon fees but everything else or going home in pain).
You know I'm telling the truth. I don't pull stories out of my ass. I got confused with some details but that's all and when I wasn't sure about a particular detail I recognized that.
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Birholtz's price includes luxury room, orthopedic equipment and all medicines. In Monegal's case you have to pay for everything (no surgeon fees but everything else or going home in pain).
You know I'm telling the truth. I don't pull stories out of my ass. I got confused with some details but that's all and when I wasn't sure about a particular detail I recognized that.
When your source is a Spanish person with bad English of course you're gonna get your details screwed up.
So we've established that Monegal is generous enough to cover his own surgeons fees. What a fking saint.
You read IAmReady's diary? Paley's about to rob him for a consolidated fibula.
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Don't talk about my SOURCE, but my SOURCES. I've got details from many people.
Monegal is NOT a saint, I hope you're joking. He has two faces and some patients discovered his Mr Hyde face.
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Don't talk about my SOURCE, but my SOURCES. I've got details from many people.
Monegal is NOT a saint, I hope you're joking. He has two faces and some patients discovered his Mr Hyde face.
We know who you get your details from broski. Just cuz you speak to 2 people doesn't mean you have the right to talk for all the patients. He has plenty of successful cases, many who will never publish their stories because of people like you.
Monegal is no saint, but he's not even close to being the bad guy you're trying to make him out to be. Nomad, a real patient, where you are NOT, gave a very accurate testimonial on what its like to receive treatment from Monegal. Even Nomad thinks you're a manipulator and a 'LLooser1'.
His complications aside, you just spent the last couple posts nitpicking on his fees when he has some of the lowest Europe. Shows how petty you are and how deeply your obsession runs.
Monegal will continue to have good and bad cases. Let prospective patients visit Barcelona, talk to the patients in the guesthouse and make up their own minds.
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More things about doctors and salesmen. At the beginning these doctors make a good impression. They portray themselves as capable, kind, and charismatic. For example, at the beginning Monegal seemed confident, friendly, funny... In the forum he deceived all members but Forcedpuberty! Another example: take a look at Masterhy’s diary and his first impressions about Betz... They were so good!
But beware!! Taking responsibility is inconceivable to these doctors. When things go well, they are happy to take the credit for it, in one way or another. If things go bad, they are never at fault for their mistakes, misfortune or misbehavior. They invariably have a valid reason, an excuse or a scapegoat. The patient is always to be blamed. They will create stories about patients not following their instructions but in fact they gave no instructions because after they got their money they didn’t care anymore. Ask Cooper and Metanoia.
When the victims start to tell in the forums how these men are behaving, the stories about them seem unbelievable. People find it hard to accept that such nice guys would act in such a nasty way but they do. When things go bad, they start their manipulations.
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Blah, blah, blah.
Couldn't get a rise out of yagen on his diary, so gotta resurrect old posts to bitch about Dr. Monegal.
It'd be funny, if it wasn't so sad.
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10) Hogging the Forum
Constantly replying to a thread (or multiple threads) by repeating the same points and not adding anything new to the discussion. This can be annoying to other members as they keep reading the thread only to find out nothing new is in the discussion The threads may be locked if the discussion is going in circles.
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Find me a patient from SA (all 4 of them) where Birkholtz pays for their room and board, and maybe their Forteo too. And stop joking about recommending our members to the Ukraine please, worst advice ever.
So you took a few weeks off to do research and is now retracting some of your original stories. This is also the problem about you. You say a lot of things that are true, but you also back-track and admit to pulling stories out of your ass. The repetitiveness is getting old.
There are some horrific diaries about Ukraine
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I'm afraid to even ask, but I will.
What complications did Glenn have besides a loose screw? Can someone that is NOT LLuser1 fill me in?
Seems yagen and PZ both had good results.