Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: Daylight on December 09, 2013, 08:02:43 AM
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I am male caucasian, 24 years old. Height: 1m75. Wingspan: 1m83. Sitting height: 93(at night) ;D
What are yours ;)
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How often do u come across 5'3 males with the same sitting height as you?
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How often do u come across 5'3 males with the same sitting height as you?
Statistically, that'd almost never happen, I don't even know if it is possible. At least not in a healthy, non-deformed individual.
93cm divided by 160cm (5'3") is ~0.58... WAY out of the bell curve.
(http://openi.nlm.nih.gov/imgs/512/340/2872302/2872302_ijerph-07-01047f9.png)
(http://adc.bmj.com/content/90/8/807/F2.large.jpg)
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Whoa, whoa...Wait.
My height is 172 cm. Wingspan 183 cm...and sitting height is only 82.6 CM. Making the ratio .48. Two standard deviations below average.
But I don't think my legs look long because compared to my chest and arms, they actually look short in the mirror. But these measurements are startling and pointing towards my torso being short, not legs.
CLL for my desired 2.2 inches would make my ratio .464 (82.6 cm / 178 cm) which isn't even on that chart above. I may have to do some mock up photos now to see if this would look too unusual or not. Would a person look ok with a (perhaps) noticeably short stomach but larger limbs and chest? Has anyone had CLL with an end ratio of .47 or lower so I can see?
PS I measured while sitting with my butt against the floor. No back support. Thanks for the charts and info.
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Whoa, whoa...Wait.
My height is 172 cm. Wingspan 183 cm...and sitting height is only 82.6 CM. Making the ratio .48. Two standard deviations below average.
But I don't think my legs look long because compared to my chest and arms, they actually look short in the mirror. But these measurements are startling and pointing towards my torso being short, not legs.
CLL for my desired 2.2 inches would make my ratio .464 (82.6 cm / 178 cm) which isn't even on that chart above. I may have to do some mock up photos now to see if this would look too unusual or not. Would a person look ok with a (perhaps) noticeably short stomach but larger limbs and chest? Has anyone had CLL with an end ratio of .47 or lower so I can see?
PS I measured while sitting with my butt against the floor. No back support. Thanks for the charts and info.
No way :o im 163 ctms and mi sittng heig ht is 84ctms 51.5 %i cant vealibe maybe you measured wrong
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Statistically, that'd almost never happen, I don't even know if it is possible. At least not in a healthy, non-deformed individual.
93cm divided by 160cm (5'3") is ~0.58... WAY out of the bell curve.
(http://openi.nlm.nih.gov/imgs/512/340/2872302/2872302_ijerph-07-01047f9.png)
(http://adc.bmj.com/content/90/8/807/F2.large.jpg)
Why do Africans supposedly have taller sitting height ratios than Europeans and Australians at some points in development? Do their legs grow last? From my observations, I'd never in a million years expect that
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So my sitting height is 88.5 cm at 168 cm of height. This means that my ratio is at approximately 0.53 or "+1."
If I add 5 cm to my tibias and femurs evenly, for a total gain of 10 cm, my sitting height will obviously stay the same at 88.5 cm, but my height will be 178 cm. Therefore, my "post-lengthening" ratio becomes 0.50 or "-1."
Doesn't sound too bad? I guess I won't truly know until I gain the height.
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This is exactly how I measured (both while sitting on chair and sitting on floor).
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k0QhthytkgQ/TLw0coTIp3I/AAAAAAAAAQA/QdVIUqhsNL8/s1600/sitting_height.jpg)
And it comes out to 33-33.5 inches (83 cm average). Just to be triple sure I just did it again a min ago. Same result. My overall height is 171-172 CM.
My leg proportions don't look off to me and nobody has ever commented on that. People have only commented that my arms/shoulders are broad for my body. Laughingly, people said I "look tall" in photographs before because of my posture and wingspan. And if you don't have a huge wingspan you could still give a wicked illusion with a proud and strong posture.
@RisingShorty, I will take some picts in the future of my whole body. Here's a 3 year old photograph showing my upper body tho.
I drew a line approximately wear my belt line is.
(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb480/MeerFantom/123_zps80d37726.png)
@Arche, that ratio is great man. Like I said, even at .48, nobody has ever commented on my legs. You would be perfectly fine with 10 cm imo. What is your wingspan tho?
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Andrew, its hard to judge without the whole body, but from where you drew the line your upper body actually looks quite short imo.
As for your measurement, sitting height doesnt tell the whole story, the ichium bone or rather the thickness of your groin bones, will also determine how tall your sitting height is.
I for one have a sitting height of 89.5 cm (got measured at the clinic), but i also noticed that my groin bones when viewed from the profile view (side view) are very thin (as a whole im quite thin when looking sideways) so this means my torso is most likely taller compared to some people with taller sitting heights but thicker groin bones.
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What wannabegiant said seems absolutely correct in my case. I have a 96CM sitting height but I feel that, while a little long, my torso isn't freakishly or super long, just a little. I have very thick bones and I think that my groin bones must be responsible for my sitting height.
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Well I haven't been on here in awhile but I just measured myself today, and I came out at just under 170 cm tall(5 feet 6 7/8s) and I correctly measured my sitting height this time and it came out at a whopping 82.2 cm tall. I am 16 going to be 17 in a few months and I feel that I am a freak of nature at my height and stuff. Also my wingspan is about 186 cm long so this is just nuts imo.
It seems the world doesn't like me.
My dad is a legit 178 cm tall guy(claims 183 though.) and my mom is 167 cm tall. I felt like I have been cheated!
I have the arms of a 180 cm tall guy and the legs of one but not the body! and also my inseam is above 32 inches btw. What is wrong with me!?
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Well I haven't been on here in awhile but I just measured myself today, and I came out at just under 170 cm tall(5 feet 6 7/8s) and I correctly measured my sitting height this time and it came out at a whopping 82.2 cm tall. I am 16 going to be 17 in a few months and I feel that I am a freak of nature at my height and stuff. Also my wingspan is about 186 cm long so this is just nuts imo.
It seems the world doesn't like me.
My dad is a legit 178 cm tall guy(claims 183 though.) and my mom is 167 cm tall. I felt like I have been cheated!
I have the arms of a 180 cm tall guy and the legs of one but not the body! and also my inseam is above 32 inches btw. What is wrong with me!?
Given your inseam, sitting height, wingspan, and, most importantly, your age, I'd say that you are probably going to grow to at least 180CM naturally as long as you maintain a healthy lifestyle.
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Given your inseam, sitting height, wingspan, and, most importantly, your age, I'd say that you are probably going to grow to at least 180CM naturally as long as you maintain a healthy lifestyle.
Lucky bastard.
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Well I just remeasured my sitting height and height after my first workout ever.
My height fell below 5 feet 7.
It came out at 5 feet 6.75.
I hate life now.
Also even moar bad news. My sitting height I measured right I think this time is 33.25 inches or 84.45 cm.
Oh I feel so short and I am almost 17.
Hacrapag No Hope!
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Your sitting height is pretty low. I have read that your torso is the last part to grow. I would try to be as healthy as you can and see if you will grow in the next couple of years.
You may be tall enough eventually to forget about this difficult procedure.
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So turns out my arms aren't that long, it's mostly my shoulders. I've 20.7 inch shoulders whereas the average man is 17.9 inches.
That is the same length if I drew a line from the top of my briefs to the top of my shoulder. Holy shiz, if I were fat my torso (not counting hips) would form a perfect square. :o
http://ergotmc.gtri.gatech.edu/dgt/images/hbfg0717.gif
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Im 170 cm my setting height 83 or 84 i have a friend is 5'5 and when we set down he has setting height as my friend who is 5'9 but he is kinda fat tho , so the more body fat u have the more setting height u have , go to any resturant look at some females while they are setting down alot of them have te same setting eight as thier partners , but when they stand up they are alot shorter , but when u look at the body they got something called ass they set on it , so if u have big ass u have high setting height i u dont u dont have hight setting height .
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My setting height was 86 last year but i had more weight on me !
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Yeah baby! I'm a Full patch member now! Who da man, who da man!? ;D
Carry on!
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women have short legs.
the reason why women with long legs are seen as sexy is because they are not easy to find.
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Tbh, in real life no one gives a flying fk about wingspan and sitting height because not everyone knows about LL and the media doesn't discriminate or judge based on sitting height or wingspan, the only thing you should focus when doing LL for me is how proportionate you'll look nked. Take also in consideration that if you do more amounts (6cm +) you'll look weird and it'll look like you're wearing high heels.
(http://www.montagna.tv/cms/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Cervo-nobile-Photo-Traroth.jpg)
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Antlers lengthening!? ;)
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So in conclusion, What do you think matters the most... Sitting height or arm span?
Cause i've got 192cm / 6'3.5" (I can get up to 194cm / 6'4.5" if i stretch) but my sitting height varies between 90-93cm during the day, may be due to bad posture. Lets say its 91.5cm for argument's sake, this means that i have long limbs and short torso (highly uncommon for caucasians). And thats not the case IMO, sitting height is a ty measurement for torso length. I am not deformed, if anything i am well proportioned. So people with flat butt's can't do LL ? ;D
Do doctors really take into account sitting height ratios, is the limit 0.50 and if so will they refuse to go over it ?
6.5cm shouldn't cause too much trouble especially if they're divided by two segments IMO.
What do you think ?
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So in conclusion, What do you think matters the most... Sitting height or arm span?
Cause i've got 192cm / 6'3.5" (I can get up to 194cm / 6'4.5" if i stretch) but my sitting height varies between 90-93cm during the day, may be due to bad posture. Lets say its 91.5cm for argument's sake, this means that i have long limbs and short torso (highly uncommon for caucasians). And thats not the case IMO, sitting height is a s**tty measurement for torso length. I am not deformed, if anything i am well proportioned. So people with flat butt's can't do LL ? ;D
Do doctors really take into account sitting height ratios, is the limit 0.50 and if so will they refuse to go over it ?
6.5cm shouldn't cause too much trouble especially if they're divided by two segments IMO.
What do you think ?
With that wingspan you probably do have long limbs. It's not "highly uncommon" for caucasians, maybe for asians, but there are still plenty of caucasians on both sides.
Sitting height is not a bad metric, assuming you're not morbidly obese, butt will matter very little. I'm skinny and have a 94 cm sitting height at 173 cm. I've seen many short asian guys with high sitting heights. There's a reason it's been used as a torso length metric in most studies.
In terms of wingspan vs. torso...I believe wingspan may matter more if you dress with long shirts, since it is very difficult to give the appearence of longer arms. However, I believe torso length matters more when nked.
As long as you don't go 10 cm above your wingspan or below 49-50% sitting height, it won't be noticed by people.
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First post here, and I believe I'm a fairly interesting case. I am very tall, but composed almost entirely by my torso (192cm, made up primarily by torso). I haven't measured my inseam, but the disparity's blatant, though I am only really conscious of my wingspan. My wingspan is 183cm, and that's with very broad shoulders. I'm not phased by the short legs, as I feel I'm tall enough that I don't need the extra height, but what does often disturb me is my arm length, in that I can sit at a desk, tower over everyone else, yet 90% of the time my elbows don't reach the desk when sitting straight.
I'm very interested in carrying out limb-lengthening surgery to my upper-arms, and believe this is possible and particularly safe to do so. Does anyone have any advice on where I can begin researching and following up the possibility for adding 5cm to each upper arm, for cosmetic limb-lengthening?
Cheers.
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First post here, and I believe I'm a fairly interesting case. I am very tall, but composed almost entirely by my torso (192cm, made up primarily by torso). I haven't measured my inseam, but the disparity's blatant, though I am only really conscious of my wingspan. My wingspan is 183cm, and that's with very broad shoulders. I'm not phased by the short legs, as I feel I'm tall enough that I don't need the extra height, but what does often disturb me is my arm length, in that I can sit at a desk, tower over everyone else, yet 90% of the time my elbows don't reach the desk when sitting straight.
I'm very interested in carrying out limb-lengthening surgery to my upper-arms, and believe this is possible and particularly safe to do so. Does anyone have any advice on where I can begin researching and following up the possibility for adding 5cm to each upper arm, for cosmetic limb-lengthening?
Cheers.
I wouldn't do it for cosmetic reasons, but would definitely do it if your short arms are causing you functional issues, as in not reaching steering wheels easily, or having to hunch to the point of getting back pain while eating or writing. If this is the case, you might even be able to get insurance to cover your procedure. Dr. Parihar in India can do it for under 50k if you use precise and probably around 20k for external devices. Dr. Paley in the US can do it for ~90k with the precise nail. Go with him and get it covered by insurance if you can.
By the way, what is your sitting height? What pant inseam fits you best, generally speaking? Do you know if there is any medical reasons for your fairly uncommon proportions?
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I wouldn't do it for cosmetic reasons, but would definitely do it if your short arms are causing you functional issues, as in not reaching steering wheels easily, or having to hunch to the point of getting back pain while eating or writing. If this is the case, you might even be able to get insurance to cover your procedure. Dr. Parihar in India can do it for under 50k if you use precise and probably around 20k for external devices. Dr. Paley in the US can do it for ~90k with the precise nail. Go with him and get it covered by insurance if you can.
By the way, what is your sitting height? What pant inseam fits you best, generally speaking? Do you know if there is any medical reasons for your fairly uncommon proportions?
Measuring just now, 103cm sitting height (floor to top of head). As for inseam, I've never selected pants by measurements - purely by what fits, as short legs-wide pelvis, isn't particularly well accommodated by many types of trousers.
50K-90K for the precise is quite a lofty price though, but if it achieves what's necessary I suppose I feel it's worthwhile. What is the difference between precise and external?
Also, I'm surprised health insurance covers international treatment. My worry is whether I'd actually be eligible for it, given that I still have an average and largely manageable wingspan, and my reasons are partly cosmetic.
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Im 165cm tall. 168cm armspawn and 90cm sitting height. Could i go for 175cm tall?
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Today I ate lunch with somebody very interesting, not just character-wise, but also proportion-wise. This guy is Caucasian (says he's of German descent), and stands 6'4-6'4.5 (~194CM) depending on the time of day. Guess who had the taller sitting height? I did! My sitting height is 96CM. We were talking about tshirts and I pointed out that it was funny that we both wore size mediums despite our massive height difference. He chuckled and said that it was because he has ridiculously long legs. He wears pants with a whopping 40 inch inseam! He said that anything shorter looks noticeably short on him. As a proportions-obsessed prospective LL-er, I felt as though I was looking at a unicorn. I couldn't believe that such proportions actually existed, let alone occurred naturally, and asked him to sit up as straight as possible. Sure enough, I was 2-3CM taller! His medium t-shirt went down past his waist. Standing up, though, he looks perfectly proportionate, and does very well socially, probably in no small part due to the confidence that his impressive height has allowed him. His proportions don't seem to bother him in the slightest. The only things that he has, that an LL-er would lack, are two very long arms, which work wonders in balancing out his proportions. His forearms were especially long and, as we know, those can't be lengthened. His hands were of pretty normal size though. I am sharing this story to give my take on why I am now more confident that a short sitting height doesn't necessarily mean that you'll look like a freak after LL. Just keep the amount of lengthening reasonable.
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^Are you MiracleGrow on the other site?
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I'm batman.
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We've been infiltrated.
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My sitting height is 96CM
You have SH that is usual for someone 188cm tall.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1720514/pdf/v090p00807.pdf#page=5&zoom=auto,-12,768
I'm not sure why you still keep talking about it.
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That's very interesting. My college room mate is that height, and he has the same sitting height as me, or maybe 1 or 2CM more. Meanwhile, my father is also 188CM and has a sitting height between 98-100CM. I really like to hope that I can pull off 188CM, which is my dream height. Your data doesn't lie, but it seems to me like most 188CM guys I've sat down with (and they're fairly common in the 20-30 age group) do have SH higher than 96CM. My wingspan is 185CM 6'1, and I hope that won't prove to be a limiting factor. When I wear stacked lifts to be 188CM, I do notice that my hands are higher than those of other 188CM guys when we're in pictures together. But, the right clothes can mask proportions quite well.
Also, my tibia to femur ratio is already ideal at 0.8. I don't want to lengthen more than one segment, but fear that adding more than 7CM to one segment (my goal is 8CM), will make me visibly disproportionate. I guess that I'll only know for sure once I'm lengthening, but I will still take a slow and cautious approach and do lots of research beforehand, just to be sure I have a good idea of what to expect before permanently altering my body in such a significant way.
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but I will still take a slow and cautious approach and do lots of research beforehand, just to be sure I have a good idea of what to expect before permanently altering my body in such a significant way.
All the research you need can be done in a few days. You spend too much time on LL forums and you have too many posts for someone who's just considering LL. Looking at your post history, it seems that all you do is speculate about proportions over and over again, while at the same time having abnormally big SH for your height (which I imagine is about 180) and also long arm span. In one year you still haven't figured for some reason, that there's no 'ideal ratio' for lower limbs and that femur-tibia ratio correlates positively with height, which means the taller you're, the higher femur-tibia ratio will be. And you're actually worried going 3cm over your wingspan, which makes me think you are not at all interested in LL and are here just to troll people around. I don't know if that's the case, but you do piss me off for sure.
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No need to know extra stuff really. The most random people has done this surgery without even knowing this site existed...sure their experience was not as fluid as those with the information but the fact still stands that they are now OK post surgery and all this proportion and pain talk is just what you do while you await your turn for the surgery.
But to constantly obsess over that you have no control over and are STILL gonna lengthen 6+ cm.
Thats why all i do now is just commenting on , But i already know what i need to know in terms of the surgery itself and proportions should ONLY come into consideration if you are doing a second CLL then it matters.
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95cm sitting height, 181cm standing height, 181 cm wingspan
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95cm sitting height, 181cm standing height, 181 cm wingspan
You make me paranoid. Why are you here when you are 181 cm tall?.
My final height will be 5'11-6'0. Your practically spitting at me saying it's not enough at that height?
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morning: 181.5cm
night: 179.6cm
armspan: 183-4cm
sitting height: 96cm
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morning: 181.5cm
night: 179.6cm
armspan: 183-4cm
sitting height: 96cm
Huh you too? aww hell naww
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Huh you too? aww hell naww
i guess its a mental thing, im a crazy person, i really am. if i was 190cm i would still want an inch or two. how tall are you btw?
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i guess its a mental thing, im a crazy person, i really am. if i was 190cm i would still want an inch or two. how tall are you btw?
From begining 5'6-5'7 but i think i am around 5'5 now at my lowest, including my fking back that is always shifting in height..so annoying. Some days i wake up feeling pretty good about my height but then it shrinks due to gravitation or lack of quality stretch sleep and i end up feeling more introverted.
Well it dosn't matter the truth is that i am short. I don't like being judge for being short so i want average to above average height. Mainly your height would be uber perfect and i don't think i would want to be taller at that level, i don't even think i would have been aware of heightism at that height. Thats the thing that baffels me the most. Here you are complete in your creation, you can do whatever the fk you want to do, but all your life has led you is to this webbsite. Now i don't judge you each to their own ofcourse.
But seeing what i will have to go through just to get to your height, And here you are wanting to get taller who god knows what reason and you dont even need it". But i must confess. Being able to say 6'0 tall must be self worth booster.
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From begining 5'6-5'7 but i think i am around 5'5 now at my lowest, including my f**king back that is always shifting in height..so annoying. Some days i wake up feeling pretty good about my height but then it shrinks due to gravitation or lack of quality stretch sleep and i end up feeling more introverted.
Well it dosn't matter the truth is that i am short. I don't like being judge for being short so i want average to above average height. Mainly your height would be uber perfect and i don't think i would want to be taller at that level, i don't even think i would have been aware of heightism at that height. Thats the thing that baffels me the most. Here you are complete in your creation, you can do whatever the f**k you want to do, but all your life has led you is to this webbsite. Now i don't judge you each to their own ofcourse.
But seeing what i will have to go through just to get to your height, And here you are wanting to get taller who god knows what reason and you dont even need it". But i must confess. Being able to say 6'0 tall must be self worth booster.
i do whatever the f*** i wanna do and i dont let anything get in my way :D, im not going to go into to much details so that i dont reveal my identity. but i was and still am at a high if not the highest level in sports competition(world/european championships, cups) i go to university and i really am happy with myself and living my dream hoping i dont wake up, so if you think im not living my life to the fullest because of my height, youre mistaken my friend :D.
i guess with me and my height its sort of a mental illness and im not even kidding about it. i KNOW im tall enough, but in my mind i still wanna be 183-4 cm at my lowest. its not even about being more manly or taller just for the sake of being tall and desirable, in all honesty i would be happy if i did the surgery and if nobody noticed anything.
i would just like to be taller by like 4cm because it would make me happy, dont even know why it just would.
just reading this post of mine i came to realize that i really am a mentally ill person. lol xD
when are you planning to do the surgery and what do you think you will lengthen fem or tib, and what is your wingspan? :D
im not a native english speaker so i hope my english isnt to bad and you've understood me.
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hey kunta since you mentioned it yourself that in your case it only seems to be mental, have you considered talking to a phychologist? Normally these people cant cure height neurosis since usually the height problem is based on real prejudice from others, but in your case i doubt it has anything to do with that, even you dont seem to think that way.
Also if you really are high level in sports (which i wont dispute, but you look very out of shape in the pictures) then why risk that athleticism for a few cm (i know that theoretically you will be able to recover but you will lose some of your prime years in sports and might never be exactly the same)
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i do whatever the f*** i wanna do and i dont let anything get in my way :D, im not going to go into to much details so that i dont reveal my identity. but i was and still am at a high if not the highest level in sports competition(world/european championships, cups) i go to university and i really am happy with myself and living my dream hoping i dont wake up, so if you think im not living my life to the fullest because of my height, youre mistaken my friend :D.
i guess with me and my height its sort of a mental illness and im not even kidding about it. i KNOW im tall enough, but in my mind i still wanna be 183-4 cm at my lowest. its not even about being more manly or taller just for the sake of being tall and desirable, in all honesty i would be happy if i did the surgery and if nobody noticed anything.
i would just like to be taller by like 4cm because it would make me happy, dont even know why it just would.
just reading this post of mine i came to realize that i really am a mentally ill person. lol xD
when are you planning to do the surgery and what do you think you will lengthen fem or tib, and what is your wingspan? :D
im not a native english speaker so i hope my english isnt to bad and you've understood me.
Nah man we are not crazy, if anything we are the intelligent people. We look, we see, we take notice, we apply the right action in order to improve our lifes. It's just that this takes time/effort and is a serious surgery. Where as when you are fat you simply look around see skinny people. "easy" just loose weight and you are set. Height is the only thing that is so complex and gives so much value to a human. So ofcourse we would like as much height as possible.
I will do the surgery pretty much when i feel my body is ready for operation. Not right now..i still need to heighten my pain sensitivity i was semi depressed for like 6 month and with that comes you know "weakness". So i have to get hard physically if im going to endure 8 CM height increase. Always and ALWAYS lengthen Tibia first, There you can stop afterwards and proportions will not be off key and you look more athletic with longer tibias.
No :D thats awesome!, Nothing like seeing productive people wanting to improve themselves more even though they live a great life. I guess that is the "true" you that is speaking. Really pushing you to the surgery like it's beyond your control and it must happen. Otherwise you are not really like you want to be.
Like me, i would like to stay the same height but to have the operation and have people treat me equal i would be happy lol. so fked up.
My wingspan is 5'7 i think but i don't care a friend of mine is 5'11 and he has short wingspan. When i saw him i knew i was gonna be OK!
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hey kunta since you mentioned it yourself that in your case it only seems to be mental, have you considered talking to a phychologist? Normally these people cant cure height neurosis since usually the height problem is based on real prejudice from others, but in your case i doubt it has anything to do with that, even you dont seem to think that way.
Also if you really are high level in sports (which i wont dispute, but you look very out of shape in the pictures) then why risk that athleticism for a few cm (i know that theoretically you will be able to recover but you will lose some of your prime years in sports and might never be exactly the same)
i do look out of shape in those pics but you can be sure that is not the case, i have no reason to lie being that im anonymus, not all sports require a 6 pack or a perfect christiano CRonnie7 looking asthetics to be at the top of your game.
i know that the operation will take my out of the game for a few years but i dont worry about it because i dont see myself doing it in another 4-5 years when i graduate. manly because i live in a quite poor country that does not take care of its athletes at all, it can barely pay the loans it has taken from other rich countrys. many of our best even olympic athletes were kicked like stray dogs once they got older and it makes me sick!
so ive decided to focus on education and for that reason my carrer for the past year or two as an athlete has suffered, dont get me wrong im not making excuses and im not sad for the choices ive made. id choose education over sports carrer(at least in my country) every day of the week.
now as far as talking to a phychologist, ive tought about it but i really dont feel comfortable sharing stuff with people that i know let alone sharing them with a stranger. and i highly doubt that someone, even a professional could convince me that i dont need to do the surgery, im a very stubborn person.
have you ever been to a phychologist or something, what are your experiences and did it make you question your LL journey(if you ever did or plan on doing one)?
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i do look out of shape in those pics but you can be sure that is not the case, i have no reason to lie being that im anonymus, not all sports require a 6 pack or a perfect christiano CRonnie7 looking asthetics to be at the top of your game.
i know that the operation will take my out of the game for a few years but i dont worry about it because i dont see myself doing it in another 4-5 years when i graduate. manly because i live in a quite poor country that does not take care of its athletes at all, it can barely pay the loans it has taken from other rich countrys. many of our best even olympic athletes were kicked like stray dogs once they got older and it makes me sick!
so ive decided to focus on education and for that reason my carrer for the past year or two as an athlete has suffered, dont get me wrong im not making excuses and im not sad for the choices ive made. id choose education over sports carrer(at least in my country) every day of the week.
now as far as talking to a phychologist, ive tought about it but i really dont feel comfortable sharing stuff with people that i know let alone sharing them with a stranger. and i highly doubt that someone, even a professional could convince me that i dont need to do the surgery, im a very stubborn person.
have you ever been to a phychologist or something, what are your experiences and did it make you question your LL journey(if you ever did or plan on doing one)?
I have once or twice, actually wasn't that bad even though we never talked about anything specifik it still felt good to talk to a senior about things going on in your life.
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Nah man we are not crazy, if anything we are the intelligent people. We look, we see, we take notice, we apply the right action in order to improve our lifes. It's just that this takes time/effort and is a serious surgery. Where as when you are fat you simply look around see skinny people. "easy" just loose weight and you are set. Height is the only thing that is so complex and gives so much value to a human. So ofcourse we would like as much height as possible.
I will do the surgery pretty much when i feel my body is ready for operation. Not right now..i still need to heighten my pain sensitivity i was semi depressed for like 6 month and with that comes you know "weakness". So i have to get hard physically if im going to endure 8 CM height increase. Always and ALWAYS lengthen Tibia first, There you can stop afterwards and proportions will not be off key and you look more athletic with longer tibias.
No s**t :D thats awesome!, Nothing like seeing productive people wanting to improve themselves more even though they live a great life. I guess that is the "true" you that is speaking. Really pushing you to the surgery like it's beyond your control and it must happen. Otherwise you are not really like you want to be.
Like me, i would like to stay the same height but to have the operation and have people treat me equal i would be happy lol. so fked up.
My wingspan is 5'7 i think but i don't care a friend of mine is 5'11 and he has short wingspan. When i saw him i knew i was gonna be OK!
im so happy that there are people like you that understand me and that i can relate to. i really do hope you will achieve your height goal and any other goal you set to yourself because a person with no goals or dreams is already dead inside.
i can already imagine you(i know its crazy talk since ive never seen you, but im really in a good mood and feel insppired) rockin that 5'8" height like a boss and getting all them babes wet!
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i do look out of shape in those pics but you can be sure that is not the case, i have no reason to lie being that im anonymus, not all sports require a 6 pack or a perfect christiano CRonnie7 looking asthetics to be at the top of your game.
i know that the operation will take my out of the game for a few years but i dont worry about it because i dont see myself doing it in another 4-5 years when i graduate. manly because i live in a quite poor country that does not take care of its athletes at all, it can barely pay the loans it has taken from other rich countrys. many of our best even olympic athletes were kicked like stray dogs once they got older and it makes me sick!
so ive decided to focus on education and for that reason my carrer for the past year or two as an athlete has suffered, dont get me wrong im not making excuses and im not sad for the choices ive made. id choose education over sports carrer(at least in my country) every day of the week.
now as far as talking to a phychologist, ive tought about it but i really dont feel comfortable sharing stuff with people that i know let alone sharing them with a stranger. and i highly doubt that someone, even a professional could convince me that i dont need to do the surgery, im a very stubborn person.
have you ever been to a phychologist or something, what are your experiences and did it make you question your LL journey(if you ever did or plan on doing one)?
I talked to a psychologists for many months before i did the surgery, he never tried to talk me out of doing the surgery because i had already decided that i was definitely going to do it because it was the only solution, my problem wasnt only mental, living in Sweden height is very important, being under average will significantly hinder your life experience.
He did help me mentally prepare for it though, the hazards and problems i where going to face by making this decision. It was very helpful this way too, it wasnt my idea to meet a psychologist but my mother insisted that i should.
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I talked to a psychologists for many months before i did the surgery, he never tried to talk me out of doing the surgery because i had already decided that i was definitely going to do it because it was the only solution, my problem wasnt only mental, living in Sweden height is very important, being under average will significantly hinder your life experience.
He did help me mentally prepare for it though, the hazards and problems i where going to face by making this decision. It was very helpful this way too, it wasnt my idea to meet a psychologist but my mother insisted that i should.
yeah, i understand that sweden has a really high average, btw what is the average like 182-3cm? really tall and good looking people over there. . .
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yeah, i understand that sweden has a really high average, btw what is the average like 182-3cm? really tall and good looking people over there. . .
I think the average is ca 181 cm.
Believe me though that in terms of looks its overrated, sure there is a higher average of good looking people here compared to most countries, but thats mainly because we have a small population (only like 9 million in the whole country, which is less than the people living in the city London) and most people here have high living standards. The best looking swedes while stunning its nothing remarkable that other countries cant match.
The high height average thing probably amplifies the stereotype that Swedes are goodlooking. Although i think the average is getting lower due to many many immigrants coming here.
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Huh you too? aww hell naww
No worries. They are here for everyone to tell and convince them they don't need LL. Most of these people dropping around here, discussing proportions and throwing their mockup pictures won't get to the point of actually getting LL. They surely want to get taller, but are nowhere near enough motivated to actually go for it. I'd just ignore them honestly, no need to give them what they want.
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morning: 181.5cm
night: 179.6cm
armspan: 183-4cm
sitting height: 96cm
No offense to you, but I don't believe you're really gonna do it.
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No worries. They are here for everyone to tell and convince them they don't need LL. Most of these people dropping around here, discussing proportions and throwing their mockup pictures won't get to the point of actually getting LL. They surely want to get taller, but are nowhere near enough motivated to actually go for it. I'd just ignore them honestly, no need to give them what they want.
you are free to belive what you want and ignore who ever you want but dont go around and tell others what to do just because youre bitter.
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No offense to you, but I don't believe you're really gonna do it.
non taken. You dont have to belive me but when i go for it ill be sure to start a diary and help others who are over 175 and want the surgery cuz there are a lot of people on this forum that are mean towards them. I dont get it, just because someone is average or above average a lot of people seem to think that they are less intinteled to the surgery.
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non taken. You dont have to belive me but when i go for it ill be sure to start a diary and help others who are over 175 and want the surgery cuz there are a lot of people on this forum that are mean towards them. I dont get it, just because someone is average or above average a lot of people seem to think that they are less intinteled to the surgery.
I just don't understand you. You say you are a very successful person, highly active in sports (you know that surgery will damage your sports performances for your whole life) and say that you're living the full out of life. You even admit that you probably have a mental illness yourself, yet you don't want to fight that illness and get over it (what a successful person would do) but play right into it and severely damage your body for it. To me that sounds like surrendering to a mental illnes, and that's not the mindset of a really successful person, understand what I mean ?
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I just don't understand you. You say you are a very successful person, highly active in sports (you know that surgery will damage your sports performances for your whole life) and say that you're living the full out of life. You even admit that you probably have a mental illness yourself, yet you don't want to fight that illness and get over it (what a successful person would do) but play right into it and severely damage your body for it. To me that sounds like surrendering to a mental illnes, and that's not the mindset of a really successful person, understand what I mean ?
yeah i understand. if you scroll up you will see why i dont worry about sports performance as i explaned it to wannabegiant.
but isnt it a mentall illness for everyone? i mean there are people who are 158cm(happy with their height) and look at someone who is 165cm and wants to get the surgery as mentally ill as many people here look on me or others like me that are already average or above . i still think its an obsticle that your mind has to overcome and i understand that i could indeed overcome this if i tried, but even if i do there will always be that small need to do it in the back of my mind.
and you can say "well if there is a need to do the surgery you clearly did not overcame it". i really dont know man, i really think it would be best for me to do it and get it over with, as im not looking for a monster gain it would take a longer time to work it out with a phycologist than doing the surgery and recovery.
i hope this makes sense and you can understand my position. :)
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I am 173cm barefoot. My wingspan is 178cm. Sitting height around 95cm
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yeah i understand. if you scroll up you will see why i dont worry about sports performance as i explaned it to wannabegiant.
but isnt it a mentall illness for everyone? i mean there are people who are 158cm(happy with their height) and look at someone who is 165cm and wants to get the surgery as mentally ill as many people here look on me or others like me that are already average or above . i still think its an obsticle that your mind has to overcome and i understand that i could indeed overcome this if i tried, but even if i do there will always be that small need to do it in the back of my mind.
and you can say "well if there is a need to do the surgery you clearly did not overcame it". i really dont know man, i really think it would be best for me to do it and get it over with, as im not looking for a monster gain it would take a longer time to work it out with a phycologist than doing the surgery and recovery.
i hope this makes sense and you can understand my position. :)
Well obviously Its not the same thing, shorter people naturally would have far more life experience that would make them desperately want LL, to not be discriminated. Its not really a mental disease in this case. Just because some other short people can manage to be happy does not in any way contradict that. Because some of those people might be depressed about it but not show it to others, while others might chose a specific lifestyle that will make them avoid having to deal with the typical heightism.
average or tall people who want LL, in those cases its not about discrimination, its about greed, they want another advantage, essentially they want to be able to feel better than the average person (and often the case for this is because they are lacking in other areas like looks, talent, social skills etc, so they feel they need to be taller to make themselves noticed and feel special)
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Well obviously Its not the same thing, shorter people naturally would have far more life experience that would make them desperately want LL, to not be discriminated. Its not really a mental disease in this case. Just because some other short people can manage to be happy does not in any way contradict that. Because some of those people might be depressed about it but not show it to others, while others might chose a specific lifestyle that will make them avoid having to deal with the typical heightism.
average or tall people who want LL, in those cases its not about discrimination, its about greed, they want another advantage, essentially they want to be able to feel better than the average person (and often the case for this is because they are lacking in other areas like looks, talent, social skills etc, so they feel they need to be taller to make themselves noticed and feel special)
I agree with you
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When it comes to people above 176cm wanting LL; if they want it it's their problem, their money, their body, their choice. Let them have it.
But obviously shorter people who experience heightism on a regular basis would gain a greater satisfaction through LL than the taller ones.
I've seen a lot of people in the 5'8" range wanting LL. As I posted earlier it's my height - I have experienced heightism a couple of times this year, been looked down upon by people who are like 176-179cm, and I understand that taller people have more beneficial lives, so that's my motive for doing LL.
If I was naturally on the upper average range, I would not think about LL because I would only be looked down upon by the really tall people (not many people at all), not experience heightism (unless I'm into a girl who has a height limit of 6'2" (not so common height) and above), and live a decent life. Also I wouldn't like to be over 6'4" - I'll keep having to bend my head down through doors which would screw my posture
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No offense to you, but I don't believe you're really gonna do it.
And of course, I was right. Kunta kinte, like most average height people that visit this forum, at one point leave and never come back.
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Reply to an earlier post: some Africans seem to have long legs.
https://ispub.com/IJBA/4/1/13635#
Southeastern Nigerian men have an average height of 179 cm with a leg length of 92 cm (subischial, so from groin to bottom of foot), which is pretty damn long! compared to a sitting height of about 89 cm.
So apparently somewhere in the world being a bit more than 50% leg is normal.
Regardless, according to some other graph I saw (on wiki I think) it's better for men to have a 1:1 height to leg length ratio but not more.
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I am male caucasian, 24 years old. Height: 1m75. Wingspan: 1m83. Sitting height: 93(at night) ;D
What are yours ;)
I'm a Caucasian male, 16 years old, 6'0" tall, 6'1" wingspan (mainly arm length), with a 100 CM sitting height.
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hey guys im new at this forum... i've been discovering about limb lengthening for about a year but i found this forum recently... i am 5'5"(1.65m)tall and i have the same wingspan ... my sitting height is 36"1/2 about the same as my best friends who is 5'10"(1.78m) ... i'd like to lenghen 3"(7cm) but i think i will look a bit wired and out of proportions... what do you guys think.
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And of course, I was right. Kunta kinte, like most average height people that visit this forum, at one point leave and never come back.
Certainly. Average height people from the tallest countries in the world won't stick around in a CLL forum much, after they truly learn about the procedures.
Reply to an earlier post: some Africans seem to have long legs.
https://ispub.com/IJBA/4/1/13635#
Southeastern Nigerian men have an average height of 179 cm with a leg length of 92 cm (subischial, so from groin to bottom of foot), which is pretty damn long! compared to a sitting height of about 89 cm.
So apparently somewhere in the world being a bit more than 50% leg is normal.
Regardless, according to some other graph I saw (on wiki I think) it's better for men to have a 1:1 height to leg length ratio but not more.
Sub-Saharan Africans (excluding groups such as the Khoisan and pygmy peoples) and Aboriginal Australians have longer limbs compared to their trunks (i.e. torsos) when compared to those of European ancestry. This is anthropometric data that has been known for almost a century now. Human proportions are not uniform across nature, so when analyzing all these studies you need to take into account the dominant ethnic group of the region that performed them.
Source:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2872302/
Ctrl + F "trunk" (5th hit) for the statement that "blacks" (i.e. most Sub-Saharan African peoples) have shorter trunks (torsos) and longer extremities when compared to "whites" of the same exact height.
Ctrl + F "aborigine" for the statements about their having the longest legs relative to their bodies when compared to any other human group. You can check out this thread (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5242.0) for pictures too.
This is the average natural human variation in sitting height ratio (SHR):
Mean SHR for populations of adults varies from minimum values, i.e., relatively longest legs, for Australian Aborigines (SHR = 47.3 for men and 48.1 for women) to the maximum SHR values, i.e., relatively shortest legs, for Guatemala Maya men and Peruvian women (SHR = 54.6 and 55.8 ).
Whoa, whoa...Wait.
My height is 172 cm. Wingspan 183 cm...and sitting height is only 82.6 CM. Making the ratio .48. Two standard deviations below average.
CLL for my desired 2.2 inches would make my ratio .464 (82.6 cm / 178 cm) which isn't even on that chart above.
I doubt people in Australia bat an eye to the even longer than average legged Aboriginal Australian men. .465 is almost on the chart at 20. You'd be fine.
Either way, in CLL you have to choose between height (plus your endurance, mobility, job, pains, etc...) or your natural proportions. This is the nature of the beast.
So my sitting height is 88.5 cm at 168 cm of height. This means that my ratio is at approximately 0.53 or "+1."
It's closer to 0.525 (i.e. yours is ~0.527), but yeah, essentially +1 at fully grown (21).
(http://adc.bmj.com/content/90/8/807/F2.large.jpg)
I have a 96CM sitting height but I feel that, while a little long, my torso isn't freakishly or super long, just a little. I have very thick bones and I think that my groin bones must be responsible for my sitting height.
Good thing you stopped posting here and moved on. Being 178cm and having most of that be torso length is one of the best things you could ask for, at least as a man. Long legs are attractive, but long torsos are even more so, as long as you work on your shoulders. If you were naturally gifted with wide shoulders, it gets even better. With a good shoulder-to-waist ratio to go with your torso and your height, you don't even need to think about CLL. (And it seems you don't (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=2434.msg38639#msg38639) anymore - which is great.)
Again, this is not to say I am opposed to people on the taller side (176cm+) getting CLL. But know your strengths instead of being insecure about little details.
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Morning: 169.6
Night:168
Sitting Height: 92 in the morning, around 90.5 in the night
Wingspan: 178
I would like to know especially myloginacct's opinion: is 176 cm in the evening thinkable as a goal? Splitting the gain between the two segments and maintaning the initial tibia/femur ratio?