Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Doctors => Topic started by: Muse on November 14, 2013, 01:19:45 AM
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General Information about New Born Orthopedics, based in Seoul Korea. Contact them for specific information and latest updates.
Limb Lengthening Techniques
LON - 27,000 USD (cost for domestic patients or people with a place to stay in Seoul, who stay 8 days at the hospital after the operation and then come back for monthly examinations)
LON - 43,000 USD (cost for foreign patients including 3 months hospitalization based on 4 patients room and food)
ISKD - 40,000 USD (cost for domestic patients or people with a place to stay in Seoul, who stay 8 days at the hospital after the operation and then come back for monthly examinations)
ISKD - 48,000 USD (cost for foreign patients including 3 months hospitalization based on 4 patients room and food)
Contact
Website: http://en.dary.co.kr/
Email: nbdary@gmail.com
303, Jungangno, Yangcheon-gu, Seoul, Korea
TEL : +82 2-2692-9057 | FAX : +82 2-2692-9059
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I don't understand why doctors are still promoting ISKD even though it has been pulled off the market?
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I don't understand why doctors are still promoting ISKD even though it has been pulled off the market?
I think that was just a temporary thing.
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The information about ISKD and Fitbone on old forum are outdated. Both are currently in the market, the ISKD is reintroduced, and the problems fixed, yet it will only lengthen up to 5 cm's, just like it used to. The Fitbone is very reliable now, and used throughout Europe in many countries. I will be undergoing femur LL surgery with Fitbone soon (in Istanbul, Turkey).
I think Korea offers quite competitive prices.
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I will be undergoing femur LL surgery with Fitbone soon (in Istanbul, Turkey).
It would be nice if you could send a message to Dameon with the following information regarding your Fitbone surgery:
- Hospital
- Doctor
- Methods used by this doctor
- Price and what's included in it
- etc...
This way Dameon could add this information to the Limb Lengthening Doctors section and people would be able to contact them directly.
It would also be great if you could write a diary about your experience.
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I don't understand why doctors are still promoting ISKD even though it has been pulled off the market?
What I don't understand is why this clinic doesn't use the PRECICE instead. After all, Dr Donghoon is already using it next door from them.
Both the ISKD and the PRECICE share the fact that they're not weight bearing, but that's it. The PRECICE is much more reliable, the distraction rate is completely under control, no accidental clicks, no need to rotate the osteotomy site, and has the ability to reverse the distraction if needed.
Dr Paley has confirmed that each PRECICE nail costs 13,000 USD. According to a brazilian friend of mine, her ISKD nail cost just about the same (she did one leg due to an accident and saw the breakup of all the costs given by the hospital to her insurance company).
So why don't they offer the PRECICE for the same price as they currently charge for the ISKD and blow the competition out of the water???
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What I don't understand is why this clinic doesn't use the PRECICE instead. After all, Dr Donghoon is already using it next door from them.
Both the ISKD and the PRECICE share the fact that they're not weight bearing, but that's it. The PRECICE is much more reliable, the distraction rate is completely under control, no accidental clicks, no need to rotate the osteotomy site, and has the ability to reverse the distraction if needed.
Dr Paley has confirmed that each PRECICE nail costs 13,000 USD. According to a brazilian friend of mine, her ISKD nail cost just about the same (she did one leg due to an accident and saw the breakup of all the costs given by the hospital to her insurance company).
So why don't they offer the PRECICE for the same price as they currently charge for the ISKD and blow the competition out of the water???
Well, I don't know, but the ISKD has been out there for years and that means more surgeons have experience with it. Maybe it's just a matter of time until more surgeons get familiarized and experienced with the PRECICE nail and start offering it.
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Dingo,
I still haven't received an official cost estimate by the doctor. I'll contact Dameon with the details once I receive this information. I plan to write a diary as well :)
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Dingo,
I still haven't received an official cost estimate by the doctor. I'll contact Dameon with the details once I receive this information. I plan to write a diary as well :)
This will be great! I've never seen a Fitbone diary!
Will be nice to compare it to the PRECICE.
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There's a diary of a guy on old forum who's doing LL in Korea with Dr Donghoon (PRECICE femurs) who said that locals pay between 50,000,000 and 55,000,000 KRW, which translates to something like 47,000 USD and 51,800 USD. This guy actually paid 60,000,000 KRW because he stayed in a single room for 1 month instead of a ward, and had a caregiver for 90 days.
This is still well below what Donghoon charges for foreigners (72,000,000 KRW), which is approximately 67,800 USD.
Koreans are paying for PRECICE with Donghoon the same as ISKD with New Born Orthopedics, which is just another confirmation that these two nails are in the same price category and that Donghoon is probably filling his pockets at the expense of foreigners.
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There's a diary of a guy on old forum who's doing LL in Korea with Dr Donghoon (PRECICE femurs) who said that locals pay between 50,000,000 and 55,000,000 KRW, which translates to something like 47,000 USD and 51,800 USD. This guy actually paid 60,000,000 KRW because he stayed in a single room for 1 month instead of a ward, and had a caregiver for 90 days.
This is still well below what Donghoon charges for foreigners (72,000,000 KRW), which is approximately 67,800 USD.
Koreans are paying for PRECICE with Donghoon the same as ISKD with New Born Orthopedics, which is just another confirmation that these two nails are in the same price category and that Donghoon is probably filling his pockets at the expense of foreigners.
The reason why it's more expensive for foreigners is because the hospital doesn't allow non Koreans to stay in the much cheaper 7 person rooms. That is not money going to Dr. Donghoon that is the hospitals policy. The single and double rooms are serviced by staff who speak English and have a different food menu. The 7 person room is for Koreans who speak Korean.
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The reason why it's more expensive for foreigners is because the hospital doesn't allow non Koreans to stay in the much cheaper 7 person rooms. That is not money going to Dr. Donghoon that is the hospitals policy. The single and double rooms are serviced by staff who speak English and have a different food menu. The 7 person room is for Koreans who speak Korean.
Ok, it's not Donghoon cashing in, it's the hospital.
But still, we're talking about a 20,800 USD (!) difference between the lowest price (for Korean speakers) and the price for foreigners, for basically the same thing.
Their policy is really hard to understand. Their english-speaking staff should be allocated to english-speaking patients, no matter what room they're in.
Different food menu? For such a difference in prices, I sure hope they're serving caviar, champagne and lap dances to foreign patients.
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Ok, it's not Donghoon cashing in, it's the hospital.
But still, we're talking about a 20,800 USD (!) difference between the lowest price (for Korean speakers) and the price for foreigners, for basically the same thing.
Different food menu? For such a difference in prices, I sure hope they're serving caviar, champagne and lap dances to foreign patients.
It's not the same thing really. The single and double rooms are much nicer with more amenities and privacy and offer what they call a western menu to foreigners prepared by a nutrition team with no limits on how much you can eat. Not sure what kind of hospital food is available in the 7 person rooms. Maybe that's worth an extra 1,500 per week for 3 months.
In a perfect world you would be able to have surgery, live near the hospital for 3 months with friends or family to have physical therapy and save a boat load of money. ;D
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There's a diary of a guy on old forum who's doing LL in Korea with Dr Donghoon (PRECICE femurs) who said that locals pay between 50,000,000 and 55,000,000 KRW, which translates to something like 47,000 USD and 51,800 USD. This guy actually paid 60,000,000 KRW because he stayed in a single room for 1 month instead of a ward, and had a caregiver for 90 days.
This is still well below what Donghoon charges for foreigners (72,000,000 KRW), which is approximately 67,800 USD.
Koreans are paying for PRECICE with Donghoon the same as ISKD with New Born Orthopedics, which is just another confirmation that these two nails are in the same price category and that Donghoon is probably filling his pockets at the expense of foreigners.
we need this precise nail to be used in india.
only then can internal LL become affordable for most average blokes like me.
I think it can be done in india for under 40K ( about 35K I think)
these giys are taking advantage of foreigners.
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I emailed new born hospital, they said me that the Price is 35000 usd + 8000 90 days in hospital all included. total 35000+8000=43000usd
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Is that Precice 2?
Do they have any experience yet with CLL Precice 1or 2?
I emailed new born hospital, they said me that the Price is 35000 usd + 8000 90 days in hospital all included. total 35000+8000=43000usd
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I think they only use iskd.
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I think they only use iskd.
Paco,
Could you please confirm that this new price of 43000 USD is for the ISKD?
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No, it is for LON.
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How does that make any sense? Didn't they quote 35K for LON?
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Hi Dameon,
This prices in New Born is wrong. The Price with 90 days in hospital is 8000 usd plus. Then 35000 for surgery and 8000 for stay 90 days in hospital equal 43000 usd.
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Hi guys,
I was planning on getting my surgery with Dr. Donghoon Lee until I found out about this crazy price increase. Now since I am no longer able to afford Dr. Lee, it seems like the New Born hospital might be a good option for me. I tried to email nbdary@gmail.com, but have not heard anything back. Is this the correct email? Is there another way to contact them? Thanks a bunch !
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this emael is well for me . He responded to me quickly . I think new born can be very good option too.
I am thinking in doctor donghoon but his prices are ridiculous.
where do you from classical?. I am from spain.
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This is the guy who responded to me, il hyung cho and his messenger is jollongs@gmail.com
Good luck with this new addresse.
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Hi dameon, then the price for iskd would be different.
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Thank you Peco1 :)
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Peco1, I live in the US.
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ok.
I think new born hospital it can be the best options for that Price and they look like to have a lot of experience in leg lengthening.
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Wrong post
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sorry calssical. nbdary@gmail.com is well for me.
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Hi Peco1, I just PM you, please check your inbox. Thank u!
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Hi Classical,
I contacted with il hyung cho, and he told me these price. i thought that he worked in new born.
i am very surprised with this. the other day i emailed to il hyung cho about the cost for ISKD but he still answered to me.
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Really?? How much did he say the ISKD cost then? Can you put me in touch with him? I don't know why he is not answering my emails... Does he have a phone number I can call? If what the lady at the hospital told me about him resigned one year ago is not true, then I prefer to contact him as his English seems be better.
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He gave me one phone number, +82-10-9116-8210.
He still answered to me about the Price of iskd. I emailed three days ago.
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Thank you,Peco1 ;D
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Perhaps you could see doctor Donghoon lee too. His new price for LON is 38000 but you can stay in a hotel during lengthening.
It is 80$ per night whithout food.
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Hi Paco1!
I emailed the nurse of New Born, and she replyed back stating that Il Hyung Cho no longer works there. She also asked me to pass on Dr. Chung-mu Im's personal email address lifejump2002@naver.com for you to contact should you have any questions or concerns.
I'm considering Dr.Lee as well now.
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Thank you classical.
I'm writing to him now.
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The information about ISKD and Fitbone on old forum are outdated. Both are currently in the market, the ISKD is reintroduced, and the problems fixed, yet it will only lengthen up to 5 cm's, just like it used to. The Fitbone is very reliable now, and used throughout Europe in many countries. I will be undergoing femur LL surgery with Fitbone soon (in Istanbul, Turkey).
I think Korea offers quite competitive prices.
According to Orthofix's official site, the femoral model of the ISKD is capable of lengthening up to 8CM. I wonder if New Born Orthopedics offers this model.
"ISKD is designed to lengthen a prescribed distance and then stop. ISKD lengtheners will distract a maximum of either 50 or 80 mm, depending on the model chosen. Thus the precise amount of lengthening required, the maximum starting length and fully distracted length of the ISKD must be determined prior to surgery in order to permit selection of the correct model of ISKD"
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ISKD sucks. You can't control the distraction rate and you can't stop or reverse it.
The amount of lengthening is fixed from the beginning, so if you originally planned for 8cm but you find out (the hard way) that you can't go over 5cm due to extreme pain during lengthening, you're basically f*ck*d.
ISKD is a gamble. Maybe your body can take the amount of lengthening you wanted in the beginning, maybe not. Maybe you're lucky and don't end up with a runaway nail, maybe not.
These guys at New Born need to start offering the Precice as soon as possible.
Their package price for ISKD is very competitive (48k, including a 3 months stay). Since the Precice nails cost pretty much the same as ISKD nails, I can't see why they're not using them instead (Dr Donghoon has been using them since last year).
Paco1, since you're in contact with the people at New Born, could you please ask them about the Precice? When are they going to start using it and how much it will cost? Thanks.
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Agreed. If their ISKD price also applied to Precise, I'd be over there in a heart beat. The newer ISKD models have fixed the runaway nail issues from what I've heard.
I thought that one ISKD nail was $8000 compared to $15,000 for one Precise nail.
You're right. It absolutely sucks that, with ISKD, one must decide on on a lengthening amount beforehand.
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Well, then i will email them.
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Agreed. If their ISKD price also applied to Precise, I'd be over there in a heart beat. The newer ISKD models have fixed the runaway nail issues from what I've heard.
I thought that 1 ISKD was $8000 compared to $15,000 for one Precise nail.
You're right. It absolutely sucks that, with ISKD, one must decide on on a lengthening amount beforehand.
I read that ISKD is around $8000 in Dr.Elbatrawy's website. Another LL doctor in Turkey also states that it is around $8000 http://www.ilizarov.com/en/motorized-im-nail/
Prospective LL'ers should stick with the PRECICE nail instead of the ISKD. There is a very good reason why majority of the LL doctors are now replacing the ISKD with PRECICE.
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ISKD is around $8000 in Dr.Elbatrawy's website
That information is completely out of date.
In 2009, a friend of mine in Brazil had to use an ISKD nail because of an accident. The hospital report sent to her insurance company said that the nail alone cost 30k BRL, which is aproximately 13.5k USD at today's exchange rate.
I don't know if the price has gone up or down since that time, but most likely, it has gone up.
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That information is completely out of date.
In 2009, a friend of mine in Brazil had to use an ISKD nail because of an accident. The hospital report sent to her insurance company said that the nail alone cost 30k BRL, which is aproximately 13.5k USD at today's exchange rate.
I don't know if the price has gone up or down since that time, but most likely, it has gone up.
The best thing is to get in touch with Orthofix if one is interested in ISKD. But regardless of the price, PRECICE is a superior nail when compared to ISKD.