Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: 177cm on October 02, 2014, 06:56:04 PM
-
Hi guys, i am 25 y o, my height is 177cm, wingspan 179 cm.
I want to do 5 cm on each segment. I did some mock ups but i dont' understand why on the 1st one i look good at 187 cm but on the 2nd one i look totally ugly. Maybe i did something wrong? What u think of my proportions? People always say i have broad shoulders (they are only 46-47 cm though) so my height to witdh ratio is not gonna be so bad but what worries me is my arm lenght and my torso lenght. Especially the torso lenght since AL is available now.
What do u think, guys? Can i pul off 187 cm height?
-
You are fine with 1,77
Cheers Paco.
-
Yeah, I'd say you could pull it off. Your legs would look long, but not too long.
-
I think you can pull of 187cm no probs.
-
7.5cm should be the maximum. after that you are asking for trouble.
I assume you are only planning 1 surgery. and don't want 2.
-
7.5cm should be the maximum. after that you are asking for trouble.
I assume you are only planning 1 surgery. and don't want 2.
He said he wants 5 cm per segment.
-
I think you look great at 187. In the real world, very few people will analyze your arm length and torso length relative to your height, and, if they do, there are plenty of naturally tall people with very low sitting heights (although they obviously are not the majority). I am almost 180 as well and I know a 196CM guy with a genuinely lower sitting height than mine. I am 96CM sitting and he is around 94.5CM. He does have much longer arms, but my point is that nobody ever notices or comments on his ridiculously low sitting height besides me, and I only do it because I'm an LL forum member 8)
-
7.5cm should be the maximum. after that you are asking for trouble.
I assume you are only planning 1 surgery. and don't want 2.
thats what i was planning for years (7 cm on tibia + bowed legs correction would bring me to 185 cm which is great heihgt), but now im afraid of my tibias getting too long for the femurs so i started thinking of 2 operations (cross-lateral).
-
5cm on both segments is a realistic target and it seems you can pull it off without harming your proportions.
-
Do you have any actual plans to do the surgery? If so, which doctor(s) are you considering and why?
-
Do you have any actual plans to do the surgery? If so, which doctor(s) are you considering and why?
Yes, im considering Dr. Bagirov from Moscow since i live there and his pricing is not too high.
I also think of going to St-Petersbourg (700 km from me) because pricing there is even lower.
Both clinics have good feedback on russian LL forums.
-
Proportions are weird mate I found out my wingspan is 5 cm shorter than my height and yet my arms are the same lenght (61 cm) as my dad and he's 187 -I'm 179-. I got a tip that sound conclusive enough: get some shoe lifts so that you stand at 189 cm and see if you look normal, although remember that height will go into your longer legs so never mind your knee position.
-
Yes, im considering Dr. Bagirov from Moscow since i live there and his pricing is not too high.
I also think of going to St-Petersbourg (700 km from me) because pricing there is even lower.
Both clinics have good feedback on russian LL forums.
If you do end up going there, it would be tremendously appreciated if you wrote a diary of your experiences on this site. Both of those locations are very strong contenders on my list of places to have tibial LL done and I, along without others on this forum, would love to hear about and learn from your experience.
Anyways, best of luck, regardless of whether or not you end up doing LL.
-
If you do end up going there, it would be tremendously appreciated if you wrote a diary of your experiences on this site. Both of those locations are very strong contenders on my list of places to have tibial LL done and I, along without others on this forum, would love to hear about and learn from your experience.
Anyways, best of luck, regardless of whether or not you end up doing LL.
Thanks man, if i go for LL i will write it but i need to save up some $$.
Just checked my registration date on the other LL forum: 25 feb 2008. LOL 7 years and still 177 cm.
What i like in Bagirov is that his devices are really small and can be hidden under wide pants easily. They are so small so u can even use them on ur femurs without problem. Cost is like 6 000 $ and it's really close to my home. But i dont even have these 6k ATM.
St-Petersbourg's 3000 $ sound sooo exciting but they are regular Ilizarovs devices, big and cant be hidden. I think i should do 5 cm tibias in Petersburg then wait 1-2 years and get my both femurs done with Bagirov. Sounds realistic?
Proportions are weird mate I found out my wingspan is 5 cm shorter than my height and yet my arms are the same lenght (61 cm) as my dad and he's 187 -I'm 179-. I got a tip that sound conclusive enough: get some shoe lifts so that you stand at 189 cm and see if you look normal, although remember that height will go into your longer legs so never mind your knee position.
Whats ur dad's wingspan man?
-
You'll get better physical appearance boost, if you shave your torso, grow some hair on your head, get some muscle mass and fix your beard, than if you lengthen 10 cm. All of that should also be 10^999 times easier. Just saying.
You have no business lengthening so much at your height, especially cross-lateral, it will take forever.
-
Thanks man, if i go for LL i will write it but i need to save up some $$.
Just checked my registration date on the other LL forum: 25 feb 2008. LOL 7 years and still 177 cm.
What i like in Bagirov is that his devices are really small and can be hidden under wide pants easily. They are so small so u can even use them on ur femurs without problem. Cost is like 6 000 $ and it's really close to my home. But i dont even have these 6k ATM.
St-Petersbourg's 3000 $ sound sooo exciting but they are regular Ilizarovs devices, big and cant be hidden. I think i should do 5 cm tibias in Petersburg then wait 1-2 years and get my both femurs done with Bagirov. Sounds realistic?
Whats ur dad's wingspan man?
I don't know but I think it's in the shoulders although my shoulders aren't narrow, in fact they look kind of wide (but not as wide as dad). I will try out that shoe trick as soon as I figure out how to make my own lifts.
-
you can't even afford a cheap doctor, and you don't look fine at 187 cm...if i were i would only do one operation.
-
You should be aware that Bagirov does not do femur lengthening, so if you want to do femurs you should do that at the clinic in st Petersburg.
-
5 cm per segment is a god goal.
to be honest though, because you have a really good starting height and you said you have already been waiting 7 years...... do you really want to do 1 surgery and then wait another 7 years?
would 6cm on tibia only be enough? or you recon you would need a second surgery? how long do you think you would need to save for to afford both surgeries?
Just checked my registration date on the other LL forum: 25 feb 2008. LOL 7 years and still 177 cm
its amazing when you look back at when you first leant about LL and suddenly realize how many years have passed before you actually get LL.
-
I agree with GROWtalordieTRYING1. If it's been 7 years, you really ought to just go for it at this point. If you haven't gotten LL out of your mind in 7 years, it's not that likely that you ever will, or you will grow old regretting not having done it. Save up $5000 so that you'll have something to fall back on if you have complications or unforeseen circumstances during your lengthening.
-
Lol seven fking years? Just do it, already, rock!
-
You should be aware that Bagirov does not do femur lengthening, so if you want to do femurs you should do that at the clinic in st Petersburg.
wtf, doesnt he? many times i've heard that he does external femur lengthening and it's clearly said on his site. why u think he doesnt, man?
5 cm per segment is a god goal.
to be honest though, because you have a really good starting height and you said you have already been waiting 7 years...... do you really want to do 1 surgery and then wait another 7 years?
would 6cm on tibia only be enough? or you recon you would need a second surgery? how long do you think you would need to save for to afford both surgeries?
its amazing when you look back at when you first leant about LL and suddenly realize how many years have passed before you actually get LL.
yes now im thinking of lengthening just my tibias (5 - 5.5 cm + bowed leg correction) then recover and then decide if i need femur lengthening. Maybe crosslateral LL is actually bad idea for me. I am not sure if 183 cm height is worth breaking my legs and taking a year out of my life, though. Is it big difference to 177 cm?
I have really big head (have been suffering from it for all my life) so with becoming taller im going to make it look more proportional. I reckon 183 is still average height and people still tend to have average sized heads at this height. But 185-188 cm tall people tend to have bigger heads, in my opinion. Maybe im wrong, though.
If i go to St-Petersbur i will need like a couple of months to afford 1 surgery and couple of months for another one.
If i go to Bagirov then i need like a year to save up for 1 surgery :(
-
It shouldn't take a year to recover from 5 cm unless you are bad luck incarnate. For 5 cm, it will be between 5-7.5 months for externals and about 4-5 months internals.
-
183 is not average no matter where you are in the world.
where are you from anyway?
I recommend 6cm tibia. make it to 183 and be happy at that height.
LL is not suppose to take up your entire life spanning literally decades.
-
183 is not average no matter where you are in the world.
where are you from anyway?
I recommend 6cm tibia. make it to 183 and be happy at that height.
LL is not suppose to take up your entire life spanning literally decades.
i mean not average, but not tall. it's just normal height. not average but not tall as well.
im from Moscow, Russia.
It shouldn't take a year to recover from 5 cm unless you are bad luck incarnate. For 5 cm, it will be between 5-7.5 months for externals and about 4-5 months internals.
yes, it shouldn't, but from patients diaries i can say many ppl experience some complications during their lengthening and total time in frames is like a year for 5-6 cm
btw, guys, don't u think my tibias are long already? i look at my legs and cant decide which segment needs more length, i look totally proportional to myself now :(
-
it looks ugly or i am bad at making mock ups? :D
-
I call bull.
176.2 cm is the official data for the average of Russia.
the big delusion of height neurosis is that people believe in a lie and think that the average is taller than it really is.
Stats: between 2006-2010 and for youth: age 20-30.
-
if you count all adults over 20 the average for Russia becomes 175.0 cm
-
If your head is 26 cm in height, then you lengthened 6.85 cm in your tibia only mockup and 8.6 cm in your tibia-femur mockup. I do pixel science.
Here's 5cm mockup.
-
If your head is 26 cm in height, then you lengthened 6.85 cm in your tibia only mockup and 8.6 cm in your tibia-femur mockup. I do pixel science.
Here's 5cm mockup.
i think i placed camera too low because my legs are too long in this photo what makes me ugly long legged freak in every mockup. i think this angle is better and reveals my real proportions better.
-
New mock up, the space between strings on my leg is 5 cm lol. is it me or i look better at 177? :-\
-
182 looks good, but you're arms are just not long enough for the 187 look IMO.
-
New mock up, the space between strings on my leg is 5 cm lol. is it me or i look better at 177? :-\
It honestly looks like you need some bowler correction.
-
Anything over 185 is for monkeys
-
New mock up, the space between strings on my leg is 5 cm lol. is it me or i look better at 177? :-\
If you add some muscle mass, especially in your legs, IMO you can get away with 10 cm, but 5cm would be easier and much faster.
Can you tell me the distance between the ground and your belly button (under it). У меня у самого было 95 см до пупка до операции, хочу сравнить.
-
If you add some muscle mass, especially in your legs, IMO you can get away with 10 cm, but 5cm would be easier and much faster.
Can you tell me the distance between the ground and your belly button (under it). У меня у самого было 95 см до пупка до операции, хочу сравнить.
yh i think its because of lack of muscle mass i look like a in mock ups.
It is approximately 107 cm, depends on how much i unbend. Когда первый раз мерил, то вышло 103 см, сам не понял как.
-
if you get 5cm then you will get to the golden ratio.
(however technically the golden ratio is suppose to be correct to the ratio of femur to tibia also)
113cm for ground to navel, and 70 cm from navel to top of head.
-
if you get 5cm then you will get to the golden ratio.
(however technically the golden ratio is suppose to be correct to the ratio of femur to tibia also)
113cm for ground to navel, and 70 cm from navel to top of head.
how do we measure our tibias and femurs? maybe i would need like 2.5 cm on each segment to completely get to the golden ratio lol
-
get an x-ray for both the tibia and femur.
that is the best method.
-
if you count all adults over 20 the average for Russia becomes 175.0 cm
u probably got me wrong, i just wanted to say that i dont consider 183 cm men to be tall. not average but its medium.
like Frank Lampard, Xabi Alonso, David Beckham. they've never been tall to me.
185 cm is already tall height.
188 cm is solid tall.
It honestly looks like you need some bowler correction.
yh i know, hope it will give me an extra cm.
get an x-ray for both the tibia and femur.
that is the best method.
can i do it at home with measur tape?
-
175 is average.
183 is tall.
you cant change facts.
you can only say that you have height neurosis to the point where your personal delusional view point means that being tall is not enough and you need to be excessively tall to consider your self tall from a psychological point of view.
im not mad or anything if it comes across that way. but these are the facts whether you like it or not.
I don't particularly like the self measure methods because people make to many mistakes. I personally believe that only after a cheap simple x ray which takes 1 minute at the doctors should a person then make a decision on how and what they will lengthen.
good luck.
-
6'0 is epic height no matter what. Holy , imagine waking up 6'0.
Soon..
-
6'0 is epic height no matter what. Holy s**t, imagine waking up 6'0.
Soon..
The grass is always greener mate. I'm 5'10 and I've had few real issues with my height even though I'm Swedish and as you might know the average around here is 5'11 to 6'. Still I don't feel like my body lives up to my mind and I'm prepared to go through a great deal f trouble to change that.
-
The grass is always greener mate. I'm 5'10 and I've had few real issues with my height even though I'm Swedish and as you might know the average around here is 5'11 to 6'. Still I don't feel like my body lives up to my mind and I'm prepared to go through a great deal f trouble to change that.
I'm about the exact same height as you, also Northern European, and, as it happens, I feel exactly the same way as you about my height and body lol.
I am very happy with my facial features, and work out almost daily, so, at this point, the only thing that really, really bothers me about myself is my height, especially since I'm the shortest adult male in my family and always, always expected to end up taller than I did, making my "ok" height a pretty big disappointment, especially since it often comes up when people meet my family or even when I just spend time with them.
What I hate most about this dilemma is that, unlike most other things that I don't like about my life, I can't do much about my height if I don't like it. Now that I know about LL, I am finally going to be able to do something about it. But even I am a little surprised that I'm seriously willing to go this far, but ultimately it comes down the the fact that I'm absolutely sick of living with height neurosis.
-
I'm about the exact same height as you, also Northern European, and, as it happens, I feel exactly the same way as you about my height and body lol.
I am very happy with my facial features, and work out almost daily, so, at this point, the only thing that really, really bothers me about myself is my height, especially since I'm the shortest adult male in my family and always, always expected to end up taller than I did, making my "ok" height a pretty big disappointment, especially since it often comes up when people meet my family or even when I just spend time with them.
What I hate most about this dilemma is that, unlike most other things that I don't like about my life, I can't do much about my height if I don't like it. Now that I know about LL, I am finally going to be able to do something about it. But even I am a little surprised that I'm seriously willing to go this far, but ultimately it comes down the the fact that I'm absolutely sick of living with height neurosis.
Cheers mate we really are of one mind in this case, the only thing holding me back is my modest stature and I've also felt that dissapointment. Also had a strong proactive attitude towards most things that crumbled when I realized I wasn't getting taller it really punctuated my inflated confidence.
-We should form a facial features club.
-
I'm about the exact same height as you, also Northern European, and, as it happens, I feel exactly the same way as you about my height and body lol.
I am very happy with my facial features, and work out almost daily, so, at this point, the only thing that really, really bothers me about myself is my height, especially since I'm the shortest adult male in my family and always, always expected to end up taller than I did, making my "ok" height a pretty big disappointment, especially since it often comes up when people meet my family or even when I just spend time with them.
What I hate most about this dilemma is that, unlike most other things that I don't like about my life, I can't do much about my height if I don't like it. Now that I know about LL, I am finally going to be able to do something about it. But even I am a little surprised that I'm seriously willing to go this far, but ultimately it comes down the the fact that I'm absolutely sick of living with height neurosis.
Are you me? Lol
-
175 is average.
183 is tall.
you cant change facts.
you can only say that you have height neurosis to the point where your personal delusional view point means that being tall is not enough and you need to be excessively tall to consider your self tall from a psychological point of view.
to me 183 is not tall. look at me and my bro who is like 182-183 cm, yes he's taller than me but he is not tall .
-
175 is average.
183 is tall
183 is not tall to you because you have height neurosis and this means you suffer from delusion. your delusion is that you think that the average height is taller than what it really is. and your mind tries to make you believe this lie to justify LL.
I know you think 183 is not tall to you. because I understand your condition.
-
6'0 Objectively walks through the door no one bats an eye.
5'10 Objectively wal..MIDGHEEETOOOOoooo.
-
175 is average.
183 is tall
183 is not tall to you because you have height neurosis and this means you suffer from delusion. your delusion is that you think that the average height is taller than what it really is. and your mind tries to make you believe this lie to justify LL.
I know you think 183 is not tall to you. because I understand your condition.
man i don't know what is height neurosis, i don't think i have it, i've never been insecure about my height (even when my mum said that im handsome except my height and bowed legs i didn't care too much lol), i was very tall at the age of 12-14 and wanted to be shorter.
but i have a head size neurosis, i want LL mostly because i want to make my head look smaller in proportion to my height.
the only time i care about my height is when i see some beautiful 185 cm (+7-8 cm heels) girl, i feel so untermensch in these moments
-
If your height doesn't make you dislike yourself every single day like it does to some other members of this forum, do you still think that the pain and sacrifices of LL are worth it for you?
Only you can answer this, but, if height only bothered me occasionally, I know that I probably wouldn't even be writing this right now.
-
Lol women over 6'0 looks like men and is all fashionista boring personalities that will go for the dull srsly below average face dude with normal short buz cut...Nothing new.
But atleast at 5'11 above you can live your specific life without any objection. And if you fail then YOU suck not your height.
-
If your height doesn't make you dislike yourself every single day like it does to some other members of this forum, do you still think that the pain and sacrifices of LL are worth it for you?
Only you can answer this, but, if height only bothered me occasionally, I know that I probably wouldn't even be writing this right now.
if something made me dislike myself every single day, i doubt LL would have changed it. but it doesn't mean that i don't wanna be better.
Lol women over 6'0 looks like men and is all fashionista boring personalities that will go for the dull srsly below average face dude with normal short buz cut...Nothing new.
But atleast at 5'11 above you can live your specific life without any objection. And if you fail then YOU suck not your height.
lol u can live your specific life even at 170 cm, i never said that my height doesnt let me live normal life, i just wanna improve myself.
-
Height neurosis should be the only indication for LL. I don't think LL will be worth it in your case since you're secure with your height.
Instead you should focus on building muscles especially your upper body and that should match your head size. But I don't think you have a big head, judging from the pictures you have posted.
-
177. you have height neurosis, and your delusional. you are in denial.
get real bro, you would not be on this forum if this was not the case.
people who are happy with their height don't snap their healthy bones in half and risk never walking properly again for 50 thousand dollars and 6 months in a wheelchair and crutches.
your lying to yourself. wake up.
you think 7cm taller than average is the average. that is a classic symptom of delusion. you believe in something that is not true. this is the definition to delusion. you suffer from delusion. wake up.
the first step with mental problems is admitting.
-
btw, i just found out that my self-made height measurer (made it years ago when i wasnt bothered about accuracy) lies a bit. im actually 178,5 cm on the morning. how many extra cm bowed legs correction would give me? on the russian LL board ppl say it's like 1-2 extra cms. is it possible?
because then i could lengthen only 5,5 cm tiia + 1 cm for bowed leg correction and become 185 cm which is dream height.
-
"the only time i care about my height is when i see some beautiful 185 cm (+7-8 cm heels) girl, i feel so untermensch in these moments"
yeh u insecure.
-
Height neurosis should be the only indication for LL. I don't think LL will be worth it in your case since you're secure with your height.
Instead you should focus on building muscles especially your upper body and that should match your head size. But I don't think you have a big head, judging from the pictures you have posted.
man, in order to match my head size i will need like 55 cm wide shoulders which will make me look like an ugly square dwarf.
and i DO have a big head, it is 62 cm in circumference (7 7/8 US hat size just for u to understand lol), i ve met very few ppl who had the same size of head in my life.
-
You seem kinda insane to me, I am 177,5cm tall (179cm for a short period in the morning) Height neurosis is a real thing, I use to have it.
Always comparing your height to other people's height's and sitting height's. And thinking that the average height is much taller than it really is, At 5'10'' You ain't short/tall you're average IMO, adding 10cm's to you'r height will make you look like a disproportionate freak, NO matter of your current proportions!
I use to think like you, going for the highest amount of LL and cutting it piece by piece, If you had this highly invasive procedure for the past 7 years in mind then you REALLY should have done a better job researching it.
I can share some of my ideas with you, to give you a better perspective on the subject.
*I plan on doing 2x LL's (3.25cm) in order to look proportional (even nked) given the fact that i am about to turn 21 soon, I've got enough time to save up and rethink my proportions (something that you should have done as well for the past 7 years)
*Research proportions quite widely, If i had a wingspan of 179cm (We have a hight difference between 0,5cm and 1cm) I never would have considered LL in the first plase, You really surprise me with your carelessness for proportions, My wingspan is 194cm and i am still worried that i might go overkill on LL and be miserable and disproportionate for the rest of my life.
Given the fact that we have a very similar height, you might want to restrict you'r LL to no MORE than 3.5cm's in each segment if you're planning on doing a second LL, But thats based on my wingspan/shr/S.width and etc.
185CM's Would be a dream heigh for me... but not very realistic, 183-184cm is still a great height for sacrificing little of your proportions, Plus if you want to be at a "solid height" you could always get lifts on top of your LL, You would look really tall without being disproportionate and self conscious without your clothes on.
You could probably do the same.
-
while the others are crazy for wanting to much, I think you are perhaps staying a little too much in the safe zone.
I would seriously recommend 4cm if you are seriously worried about proportions. 4-6cm is a good range for everyone.
under 4cm and it is hardly worth it for the cost and pain. over 6cm and you venture out past the safe zone.
and proportions wont be noticed at 4-6cm. seriously it really wont be noticed. most people wont even notice you got taller. but you are smart for wanting to lengthen both segments evenly, that is a good approach.
what is your height from ground to navel?
-
680,
194 cm wingspan? how is that possible? can u post a picture, because i have no idea how it would look. are u black?
i think 3,5 cm per segment is a waste of money and time. i'd rather get only my tibias done with 6 cm lengthening (+bow leg correction could give me another 1-1,5 cm if i am lucky).
i also think it's not only wingspan what matters. the main thing to me is shoulders width. broad shoulders are what make u not lanky but tall.
-
680,
194 cm wingspan? how is that possible? can u post a picture, because i have no idea how it would look. are u black?
i think 3,5 cm per segment is a waste of money and time. i'd rather get only my tibias done with 6 cm lengthening (+bow leg correction could give me another 1-1,5 cm if i am lucky).
i also think it's not only wingspan what matters. the main thing to me is shoulders width. broad shoulders are what make u not lanky but tall.
http://prikachi.com/images/89/7418089d.jpg
http://prikachi.com/images/76/7418076H.jpg
they're a bit old and i am not so sure about the angle that they where taken from, But it gives some kind of prespective.
20 inch sholder width, without working out.
IMO its a mix between shouldes width and arm lenght, I don't have unreasonably long arms.
-
while the others are crazy for wanting to much, I think you are perhaps staying a little too much in the safe zone.
I would seriously recommend 4cm if you are seriously worried about proportions. 4-6cm is a good range for everyone.
under 4cm and it is hardly worth it for the cost and pain. over 6cm and you venture out past the safe zone.
and proportions wont be noticed at 4-6cm. seriously it really wont be noticed. most people wont even notice you got taller. but you are smart for wanting to lengthen both segments evenly, that is a good approach.
what is your height from ground to navel?
105cm, 3.75cm in each segment seems the absolute maximum for a normaly proportionate guy, Anything above it seems like an overkill to me. I would really hate if i went for 6'1 and sit next to a 6'0 guy with higher sitting height than me...
or have the same sitting height as a person that is 3-4 inches shorter, I wouldn't be disproportionate as Conan O'brien but in my mind ill be self conscious, Thats why proportions mean alot to me.
-
the golden ratio is 1.618
a person who is 183cm tall, is suppose to have a height (from ground to navel) of 113cm, and a height (from navel to top of head) of 70cm.